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Perhaps even more rare than Jared Dudley dunking in a game, Goran Dragic finished with his right hand. Dragic was responsible for 9 of the Suns 11 points to bust the game open at the start of the fourth quarter. (Photo by Max Simbron)

Ed note: I am making it my personal mission to write the cheesiest headlines I can come up with. Starting now. Your ideas are always welcome.

"While it doesn't necessarily feel like beating the world champs it would have been a disastrous loss so we came out and got it going and did enough to win," said Steve Nash with the best possible recitation of the obvious.

I think I am going to end it right there. There's really nothing left to say is there. You can only improve on perfection so much and like his 15 assists in 28 minutes and 50% shooting we are talking about a guy who can do it all. On the court and in front of the microphone. Ladies and gentlemen, your almost All-Star, (thank you, China) Steve Nash.

Key Player/Stretch

The Lopez vs Lopez match was fun and we will come back to that. Jason Richardson BUSTING out on his birthday was nice and we will come back to that. Amare's typical stellar 27 points on 10/15 with 7 rebounds and three blocks...we are done with that.

The man of the night was Goran Dragic who single-handedly blew the game apart during a 5 minute stretch to open the fourth quarter. And when I say single-handedly that's really a lie because he even finished at the rim using his right hand. Lets get to that.

Point guard master and mentor Steve Nash had this to say about Dragic's play, "He scored with his right hand for the first time in two years. Goran's playing well. <insert Nash chuckle> He's a talented kid and he's getting better and better...I'm excited for him and the better he plays the better our team is."

Goran meanwhile had this to say about his seldom used right hand, "I know how to finish with the right hand but I don't know, all the time I finish left so it's a bit different. In the future I have to penetrate more right and left so the defense will not know where I am going to go."

Right hand. Left hand. Whatever. The kid came off the bench at the start of the 4th quarter with his team hovering around 11 points. On the next possessions he assisted on a Richardson layup. Hit a jump shot. Hit that right hand layup. Got to the line and hit two free throws. Rebounded a miss from Lou. Grabbed defensive rebound. Stole the ball and was fouled and hit both free throws. The lead at that point was 17 and of the 11 points the Suns had scored, Goran was responsible for 9 of them.

From there Richardson took over and that was it. Game over.

Star-divide

Jason had a very interesting comment about playing off the bench and not with Nash which jives with something I've been saying (which of course makes it all the more interesting) , "It's a little bit more freedom going in there and creating the scores. With Steve he makes the game so easy you don't really have to do much. Going in with the second unit I'm being a little bit more aggressive doing the things that I am normally doing and just playing hard."

I've certainly had the sense that his game was getting lost as Steve has been more aggressive with his shot this year and between Amare and Nash there's not been enough "balls to go around". Playing big minutes without Steve, Jason can fill his normal role where he's been successful in this league. He's a guy that needs the ball in his hands and tonight, on his birthday, he delivered 26 points on 10 of 14 shooting in just 28 minutes. Jason also had 7 rebounds - can't forget that.

I am not sure if he will continue to come off the bench. Leandro is still struggling although he did have a slightly better game going 4 of 9 in 20 minutes. Frye meanwhile continued to his funk - 14 minutes and 2 points/3 rebounds and was absolutely torched by Brook Lopez in the post. I feel for Channing. He's a great guy but right now he's a long way from how he started the season.

Lopez vs Lopez

In the big battle of the twin bro's the winner was clearly the one with the fuzzy head. Robin had another great game setting another career high with 20 points. Brook had 26 but it took him 22 shots to get there while Robin was 8/10.

We are seeing the emergence of Robin right before our eyes. Not only is he a defensive presence in the paint and big reason why the Suns ended up out-rebounding the Nets 44-42. And to top off the brotherly domination, Robin lead all players with a plus 29 while BroLo logged a minus 26.

Robin is playing smart basketball, picking up only 2 fouls in a game where his emotions easily could have got the best of him. He said this about that, "That's just me just being more comfortable on the court. Becoming a smarter player. Being more selective on when to go for blocks and when to go for steals."

Robin can't take all the credit. According to Amare, Amare deserves some of that, "I'm talking to him and trying to give him that confidence and give him my knowledge of the game to help him out on the basketball court. I can tell he's grown, he's a student of the game, he wants to learn and he's done a great job at it."

That's high praise from the master to the pupil. Perhaps Amare also taught Robin some of that swagger like he displayed when he "struck a pose" after being finishing after being fouled by Kris Humphries (who apparently is still in the league).

Amare might have also be teaching Robin how to catch and finish on the pick and roll. Late in the game he and Goron ran the play on the right side and Robin displayed amazing agility and touch for a man his size. He caught the bounce pass and deftly avoided charging into Yi while moving the ball to his right hand for a soft finish. I seriously can't think of another man his size in the league that can make that play. Not Bynum. Not Bogut. Not Howard. Ok, maybe Howard but still. Wow.

I asked Robin about that play and he got a little choked up, "You know. Um. That just comes out of you know me and Goran, Goran and me working really hard in the off season. We were always working on our pick and roll together."

Yes, that explains the timing and the pass but you can't teach a guy that size to catch and finish with that kind of agility. Seriously.

I saw glimpses of it two years ago in Vegas Summer League when he drove the ball on a face up from the free throw line dropping a 360 spin move in the lane and finishing at the rim. I was shocked when I saw that and it's one of the reasons why I've stayed patient with Robin. His physical abilities are ridiculous for a man his size. Finally, it's paid off in a real game situation and I don't think we've seen the last of that.

I just wish he would be a little less humble talking about it. I want to hear Robin say something like this in response to my question about that play. "Hell yes. I got moves like a small forward in the body of a monster. I will run over guys or I will go around them. Those fools can't stop me."

Photog Max Simbron even managed to catch that play which to me was far more impressive than any of his dunks:

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Post Game Audio:


 

In Game Notes

 

1st Qtr (32-26)

  • First possession Brook Lopez "goes at" Robin w/ a lame hook from too far out
  • Nets have Courtney Lee on Nash. That's probably smart
  • As Brett from AOL Fanhouse pointed out, the Nets starting lineup isn't horrible but they have 7 12th men on their bench
  • Guy behind me is really obnoxious yelling at the game...
  • Leandro Barbosa still not playing good D
  • Robin is on FIRE!!! 8 quick points. Mostly he's just in the right place and able to finish. Nothing fancy but with him in the paint the Suns have a guy they can dump the ball off to when Nash or LB penetrates. Frye doesn't give you that
  • Nets might be the only team less physical than the Suns. These guys really don't like touching men
  • Jason Richardson does not touch the ball enough. The Suns are making a point of getting LB going but JRich needs the ball too. Give him the Ball! It's his birthday!!! GIVE HIM THE BALL!!!!
  • I honestly have no idea why the Suns only have 25 points which I guess isn't bad considering there's 2 minutes to go but I need to pay more attention to this game...oooh Amare jam off the side pick and roll. Saw that!
  • Now we're talking! JRich for 3
  • and the run out!!! I swear Nash is reading this over my shoulder. He has eyes everywhere!
  • OMG - Golden Granies! MY EYES ARE BURNING!! HELP!!! Old ladies in tights dancing to hip hop IS NOT FUNNY or CUTE

2nd Qtr (56-49)

  • Suns up 32-29. This is supposed to be a blowout...come on boys. Blow somebody....out
  • Goran gets his pocket picked by T-Will and then hustles down court and steal it right back
  • Frye passes up a wide open three....then on the next trip down takes the open three and misses. Kid is in a serious slump. Who ya gonna call? Slumpbusters!!
  • There you go Channing. Take the ball to the hole strong!
  • Suns keeping it close so they don't get in trouble for blowing a big lead (ignore the fact they already blew a 10 point lead, k? Thanks)
  • Channing gets a charge call on one end so he flops while defending Yi on the other. I blame the refs
  • Terrance Williams is a BIG DUDE. I thought he wasn't
  • Nice. Nets are up 38-36. Suns have no rhythm. Everyone is trying to do something different. No flow. Not on the same page. Frye's trying to learn how to drive. LB is trying to remember how to score. Jason is trying to get his job back. Robin is just bouncing around like Barney the Dinosaur
  • That might be the most important thing I've written all night. I hope you read it.
  • LB takes and hits a three b/c he had no choice. Shot clock at 1
  • The Nets are actually playing pretty good defense. The combo of Lee and TWill gives them two speedy guys with long arms. They are disrupting the passing lanes and recovering fast
  • The Suns defend the pick and roll the same way every time. They are asking Robin to trap hard and recover to Brook who's rolling in. The weak side help is there but if Harris is throwing the pass right (and he is) it gives Brook the ball w/ Robin behind him and a much smaller guy in front of him
  • Need to mix up the pick and roll coverage
  • The Nets season high is 107 points. They average 90. Odds are good they will set a new season high....and still lose
  • Yi has no defense at all. I think that's what Yi means in Chinese
  • I really love seeing Robin just hanging around the rim dropping in put backs, slamming home dump passes. 14/6 and +17 in the first half. Brook 8/4 and a -17

3rd Qtr (90-77)

  • Nice aggressive play from Amare poking the ball from Yi then diving to try and get it
  • Suns playing hard out of the locker room. Active defense. Still only up 65-57
  • Uh oh. Suns up by 11. 6:42. Game is in the balance right here. If the Suns come out of this time out and score a couple of quick buckets this game will be over. Otherwise we could be in for a dog fight
  • Loved how Robin avoided picking up a foul right there. About 6min mark. Want to watch that play again. It was a little thing but last year / earlier this year he fouls Brook on the pump fake.  Brook still got the bucket but mostly b/c Robin helped off and Amare couldn't box him out. Robin only has 2 fouls which might be his best stat of the night
  • Suns up 16...not quite what I was looking for. Dragic in. Let see a bit more from the 2nd unit this time out
  • Suns in the zone again. Nets bust it with a lob to Brook on the baseline
  • And the Suns are now up 11. Not getting back on D. Not moving the ball. Not good.  Goran defers to his teammates too much. I want to see him run the offense more. Take control out there

4th Qtr (118-94)

  • Nets just got at least 3 offensive rebounds on that possess. No Robin on the floor. Coincidence? No. Lou is now checking in
  • Lou just air balled a 10 ft jumper by like 2 feet. I don't know how that is even possible. But he is helping with the rebounding
  • Goran playing well. Taking charge and just finished with his right hand!!!! RIGHT HAND!!!
  • Gentry w/ the interesting move to not match Robin's time with Brook. Brook goes out. Robin in.
  • Suns now puling away w/ Nash on the bench. Up 99-84 as Goran has a beautiful steal
  • And Dudley drops the ball while going up for his shot. Literally it just slipped out of his hands. Not looking so athletic there are you Dudley hands?
  • It was got to suck to be on a 3-win team
  • Wow. That was a seriously impressive catch and finish from Robin off a bounce pass from Dragic. I can't think of another big in the league that can do that. Seriously. Bynum? Howard? I don't know...
  • Nice game from Jason. 26 points. 10/14

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 “I’m talking to him and trying to give him that confidence and give him my knowledge of the game to help him out on the basketball court. I cant tell he’s grown, he’s a student of the game, he wants to learn and he’s done a great job at it.”

I know it’s a typo.

Steve Nash plays D!!

by phxsuns on Jan 21, 2010 1:26 AM MST reply actions  

only one typo?

come on guys….you can do better!

Maybe we need a typo contest…whoever finds the most gets a prize

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by Seth Pollack on Jan 21, 2010 7:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Not much to say about this win other than this:

Whew.

And maybe this: Thank God. Also, with a side dish of: About time.

Bright Side of the Sun, where Suns basketball never looked so good.

by Trevor Paxton on Jan 21, 2010 2:14 AM MST reply actions  

Re: your Yi comment

There are multiple meanings associated with the Chinese character of Yi… the most common of which being “easy”.

Chairman Easy!!

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jan 21, 2010 5:37 AM MST reply actions  

And seriously

I’d have had to seek psychiatric help if we lost last night.

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jan 21, 2010 5:39 AM MST reply actions  

great news again on robin lopez!!!

I’m either going to get the $49 for the rest of the season online or the tv package…cheaper now I think….I want to see lopez continue his improvement now that he’s finally getting playing time….great story amidst the so-so season

by be-the-ball on Jan 21, 2010 5:55 AM MST reply actions  

improvement

Don’t look now, but we are seeing a changing of the guard here. IF Robin has finally found it, and IF we have seen enoough of Dragic to conclude he can take over for Nash after next year, I expect the Suns to be a very different team come playoff time. Kerr’s boys (Lopez, Dragic, Dudley, Jrich, and Frye) are a potentially better starting five than at least a dozen teams. Add Clark coming off the bench and replacing Dudley eventually, and you see some real excitement. All we need is a high 2010 draft choice.

That’s where Amare comes in. Many news outlets have it 50-50 that Amare is leaving. I know I have waffled on this, but we need to take a hard look at the chances of re-signing, and act accordingly. Realizing we won’;t get the full benefit of his $17 mil salary slot since we are over the cap, perhaps we should explore a trade.

what would we need in a trade?

- a frontcourt starter
- we must get in to the ’10 draft
- someone decent to balance out the trade money wise

with that in mind I propse something like (note I said something LIKE, so don’t flame me ):

Trade with OKC

We trade

Amare Stoudemire

we get

Jeff Green
our original #1 in 2010
Nenad Kristic and Thabo Sefolosha (to balance out the money)

use the draft pick on either Willie Warren or Larry Sanders, depending on which need is bigger, SG or a monster shotblocker to eventually start with Lopez and Green up front.

Nash can make Green a 20 ppg player.

Don’t get me wrong, if Amare takes 14 mil for 5 years, I would rather keep him.

Does anyone else have a proposal that meets the three criteria?

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Jan 21, 2010 7:07 AM MST reply actions  

How about

Amare to the Knicks for Eddy Curry, Gallo and Jordan Hill. No #1 though.

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jan 21, 2010 7:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Actually

Whom of the following would you prefer to have for the next 3 years? Gallo, Jeff Green, or Micheal Beasley?

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jan 21, 2010 7:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Good question, G

and the Knicks #1 pick this year is in Utah btw

I like the Thunder trade a lot. I’ve loved Thabo for awhile now and thought we should have found a way to get him when the Bulls were willing to move him

If you get that package for Amare you do it for sure but the big question remains, will Amare commit to staying in OKC? If you think Phx is a small market….

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by Seth Pollack on Jan 21, 2010 7:30 AM MST up reply actions  

and the answer btw is Green

defense, rebounding and size

Beasley I worry about w/ his history of “issues” and a guy like Gallo could easily fade into a Tim Thomas type. Not to mention a guy that young w/ a history of back problems

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by Seth Pollack on Jan 21, 2010 7:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I do agree that the Thunder trade is better for us

but I don’t see them biting…

The Knicks though, probably couldn’t turn down the chance to dump Curry AND get Amare in one trade. Although that might also mean that the trade is not good enough for us :)

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jan 21, 2010 7:34 AM MST up reply actions  

That depends

If Amar’e wants to win, then he’ll stay in OKC. It’s probably got the best young core in the NBA. But if Amar’e wants to be an icon then theres no way he goes there. My guess is he wouldn’t want to stay there in a million years.

As for the trade itself, i don’t think thats something OKC would go for even if Amar’e resigned.

by DaveJD on Jan 21, 2010 7:47 AM MST up reply actions  

word

This trade could potentially land OKC in the Finals. I thought Amare wanted to win, not necessarily get in a big market.

The only reason I can think of that OKC wouldn’t bite is concern over Amare resigning. If Amare wouldn’t sign on with that crew, than I have no idea what is in his head.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Jan 21, 2010 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I like this more for Jordan Hill’s potential than Gallos

by Superelkman on Jan 21, 2010 8:40 AM MST up reply actions  

If you look at Hill’s per 40 numbers this year they are amazing for a rookie:
17.9 points, 9.7 boards, 56.2 TS%, and 13.8% rebound rate(could be better).

Imagine this guy on the Suns with PT. Would be rookie of the year hands down. Now granted that is in limited minutes but it shows that he can atleast be effective in spurts. I really liked Hill coming out this year and still do.

by Superelkman on Jan 21, 2010 8:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Amares rookie stats

(per 40)17.2 points, 11.2 boards(dropped the next year to about Hills level)
53.0 TS%, 15.9% rebound rate(dropped to 14% in year two)

Surprisingly similar beginnings to their careers for these two. Both picked 9th I believe as well.

by Superelkman on Jan 21, 2010 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Noooooooooooooooo!

Hello. Respectfully, I think Amare Stoudemire should NOT be traded to the Knicks, because all they have to offer is garbage and perhaps draft picks. And 2010 draft picks are only worth having if the 2010 class is deeper than just John Wall—I have no idea if it is. Even if we could get the first pick in this draft, we don’t need John Wall very badly because Goran Dragic has become a good player and because Steve Nash won’t necessarily (probably won’t?) retire after this season.

I would be more interested in trading Jason Richardson to the Knicks for Larry Hughes, who probably plays more defense than Richardson and has an expiring contract (I think). The Knicks are trying to buy Hughes out.

by species8473 on Jan 21, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

remember, 8473

I only propose this IF we feel he will not sign. And I laid out criteria for what we should receive.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Jan 21, 2010 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

trade for Andre Iguodala

I don’t desperately want Jason Richardson to be traded either, but I wouldn’t mind. I just read that Philadelphia might trade Andre Iguodala because it is desperate to shake things up and is unable to trade Elton Brand. If this is true, I would trade Richardson for Iguodala, large contract and all, in a second, and might even do whatever else it would take to get Iguodala. If they demanded Stoudemire in return for Elton Brand as part of the deal, I would reluctantly do it. Elton Brand hasn’t been the same since his injury, but he’s not totally useless, and our amazing medical staff might rehabilitate him.

That aside, I don’t desperately want to trade Stoudemire, because although of course everyone’s right that he is not a $20M/year player, maybe he will be in one or two more seasons—he has been improving.

by species8473 on Jan 21, 2010 11:29 AM MST up reply actions  

And how about

Amare to the Nets for Simmons’ expiring, their 1/4th shot at John Wall, and the “other” Lopez?

Nets will probably hang us up in 0.27 seconds though.

Actually, I’ll consider Amare for Brook Lopez + fillers. BroLo and FroLo played together fine in Stanford, right?

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jan 21, 2010 7:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely no way the Nets give up Brook and their pick.

They might give up their pick, but very doubtful, because they want something to show for this horrible season.

In the other thread, it was suggested Yi Jianlian, Courtney Lee, and Bobby Simmons’ expiring. I’d probably do that one.

But I do like the Thunder trade (Amare for Jeff Green, Thabo Sefalosha, and our #1 back). I think there’s a chance Amare stays with OKC, especially if his interest really is in winning.

I still like a trade with Miami best, that nets us Beasley. Amare has the best chance to re-sign here, and Miami really covets Amare.

by jburning on Jan 21, 2010 9:02 AM MST up reply actions  

also remember

Miami is hot on Bosh. If they trade Beasley, it might be for another piece.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Jan 21, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

They have enough money to sign a max FA and then re-sign Wade

What if they THEN traded Beasley for Bosh :o

Amare+Wade+Bosh in Miami…wow.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Jan 21, 2010 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe they can

get Shaq next year too on a vet min contract!

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by Seth Pollack on Jan 21, 2010 5:27 PM MST up reply actions  

not a good idea

If they played together again, one would do well, and the other would be a role player. I really think Robin has potential to be better. He is a better shooter.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Jan 21, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Fropez picture...

Is he wearing bball shorts under bball shorts? Does he usually do that?

by ajotanelsona on Jan 21, 2010 9:07 AM MST reply actions  

Looks like he is wearing Nets shorts under there

by Superelkman on Jan 21, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

yup

Robin always wears those kind of shorts under his uniform and regular clothes for that matter….

the things you learn in the locker room. Any questions about Nash’s underwear?

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by Seth Pollack on Jan 21, 2010 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

what about nash’s underwear?

by kuato lives on Jan 21, 2010 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

There his shorts from Stanford.

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by watdogg10 on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

that'd be sweet to get b. lopez also

we’d have 2 fast strong rebounders, shot blockers, etc. I’d give amare up for that in a heartbeat. (Plus some change)

by jasonsuns1 on Jan 21, 2010 9:40 AM MST reply actions  

Stan

How about starting a thread for people to talk trades . I’m sick of all this trade talk

Steve Nash plays D!!

by phxsuns on Jan 21, 2010 10:03 AM MST reply actions  

I'm sick of it, too

but I am afraid Amare will bolt, and the trade deadline is fast approaching. And I didn’t feel like starting a new post.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Jan 21, 2010 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

With the trade deadline coming up, the trade talk is going to be inescapable.

What happens at the deadline could very well re-shape the entire future of this franchise, so it’s sort of an important topic ATM.

by jburning on Jan 21, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

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