The Amare Stoudemire Trade Market Is Now Open
by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 3:05 AM MST
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Busy night for a Sunday evening. First the Arizona Republic's Paul Coro cites "league sources" that several teams have expressed interest in Amare naming the Cleveland Cavaliers, Minnesota Timberwolves, and Golden State Warriors.
Coro later tweeted a gentle reminder that this only represented those other teams interest in Amare. The NBA equivalent of window shopping.
The story developed further in the middle of the night (not sleeping has its advantages) when Yahoo! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski (Woj to his friends) cited "league executives" that extension talks between the Phoenix Suns and Amare Stoudemire had already reached the point where his remaining in Phoenix seemed unlikely.
Suns general manager Steve Kerr met with Stoudemire’s agent, Happy Walters, on Thursday, and league sources say there was little sense an agreement could be reached before the trade deadline. With Stoudemire able to opt out of the final $17.7 million season of his contract, the Suns don’t want to risk losing him for nothing in free agency this summer.
Woj added the Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Philadelphia 76ers and New Jersey Nets to the list of potential suitors for Amare's considerable talents.
Suns fans have been down this road before but this time waiting it out does not seem to be a likely option. For the Suns to let Amare walk via his opt out option this summer would be a devastating blow to the franchise's long term health.
The Suns reportedly want a combination of young talent, picks and salary relief in exchange for Amare who Woj quoted a Western Conference executive as saying as likely to get a max or close to max contract in this unusual market.
Mark your calendars. The Amare Trade Market officially opened on January 24th, 2010.
A few points to remember:
- If the Suns were to wait and let Amare opt out and explore the market as a free agent they would only be about $5m to $10m under the salary cap and would not be able replace his $17m with another top notch player
- For Amare, the market conditions implore him to opt out now if an extension agreement can't be reached with the Suns. There are about 10 teams who have been setting up their rosters to have significant cap space this summer. They simply can't, not spend that money and Amare is right there in group of high-profile free agents that some struggling team will sign. Next summer there's no telling if there will be as many buyers available
- This doesn't even take into account Amare's natural desire to get a long term contract as soon as possible. Why wouldn't he turn down the final season at $17m to sign a longer team deal now. Amare can't risk playing out his final season when he could be injured again of even just see a decline in his performance. And lets not forget the entire NBA salary structure will be renegotiated in 2011 and all signs point to the owners seeking significant concessions from the players.
- This is Amare's best chance to get the best possible long term deal. He would be a fool not to opt out this summer and the Suns would be foolish to let him walk which is why I've been fairly certain that he would be traded before this trade deadline
- Obviously, any team trading for Amare will want to know they can keep him so that means Amare essentially holds veto power over any trade. He reportedly exercised that veto power this summer when a deal was being discussed with the Warriors and Suns
- Amare is looking for a franchise that he believe can win and he's smart enough to know that might take a little time. He seems to be looking for an ownership group committed to winning and in the NBA that means a team willing to spend money.
- Amare was smart to look at the Warriors and conclude they are not that team at least under the current owners. Minnesota also isn't likely for the same reason and it has the added disadvantage of being a small market (and that matters to Amare)
- I've long thought Chicago and Miami were likely destinations for Amare and I would now add New Jersey assuming the new Russian ownership group will be in place. Cleveland is interesting, but only if LeBron is staying and there's no way they could assure Amare of that
- Speculation and more rumors will continue right up until the deal is done. Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy few weeks
- On a side note, you have to wonder about the motivations of these "league sources" that are spreading this information. Paul and Woj are great reporters and great guys but this information was floated to meet someone's agenda. It could be as simple as the league using this type of chatter to maintain fan interest or it could be part of any number of other reasons that we can't begin to suss out
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If we trade Amar'e
and all we get it is Hickson and Ilgauskas i will officially be PISSED
by DaveJD on Jan 25, 2010 5:34 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
+1
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Issues
I am doing some looking around for trade possibilities with the teams that have been mentioned. I am having a hard time trying to get things to line up. A huge issue is that most of these trades bring over several players for our one Amare. This ends up taking away playing time from some of our young and/or role players. We have 2 good SG’s so bringing one over to would only work for the month that Barbosa is out but after that we have a glut. If we get a SF then we have Hill/Dudley/Clarke/New guy. What do we do with that. A stud here would be nice, but what do we do with what we have. Can we bring Grant off of the bench? There are several Cs that have large contracts (some that are expiring) but we have Lopez/Frye so one of those guys loses minutes. This may not be a big deal if we are willing to get “give up” on one of them for now and use the veteran in the space of developing players. The best option here would be Al Jefferson (he is the only one who brings anything close to Amare’s production, but is a completely different player, he could, however possibly play pf). There are very few PFs out there who can fill Amare’s spot even decently well. We could move Frye to PF either as a starter or coming off of the bench. I guess the issue really is to get close to equivalent talent that could contribute without taking away from our current players we are going to have to have multiple players of ours involved. That is a lot of issues. I think I am glad I am not the GM.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jan 25, 2010 6:29 AM MST reply actions
great points
although I think at this point we would obviously need a guy that could start at PF but I would also take the best young talent at any position.
Better to have too much than too little
The more interesting point you raise is about fit. Do we need a PF that can play the pick and roll or would we take a guy like Al Jeff who is very talented but is much more of a post player.
There’s no one that’s going to replace what Amare does on the offensive end. That’s just how it goes. Scoring-wise, you could talk about a Beasley or Jamison but neither are even close to as efficient and no one can run the pick and roll with Nash as well as Amare can.
So whatever happens, it will be a huge adjustment. If the Suns were playing better I would be worried about this but I think from what we’ve seen it’s pretty clear this team at best might (might) win 1 playoff round.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 6:55 AM MST up reply actions
I think Beasley's percentage around the hoop is actually higher than Amare's
Read that somewhere, but I haven’t checked it myself.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Big Al
I would love to fill Amare’s hole with big Al. Jefferson is among the top in scoring and rebounding for big men and IMHO, he’s better at helping a team on both ends of the floor compared to Amare. There were rumors of Jefferson & filler for Amare last year, but nothing went down. I think Amare would also veto that trade idea because he’d be unwilling to resign with the wolves.
Cleveland:
Amare for Hickson/Moon/Big Z’s expiring. This would, unfortunately, is the most lopsided. Cleveland’s only other real assets besides LeBron are Varajao and Mo Williams and I don’t like either of those guys. I do like Hickson a lot, but not sure he’s the type of prospect that Amare is worth. Moon’s a nice role player.
Minnesota:
Amare for Love/Sessions/Blount’s expiring. I like this one a lot. Ramon Session is great and he’s on a very nice contract. Love is a guaranteed double-double every night. I think Minny would rather keep Love and trade Jefferson, though. In that case: Amare for Jefferson/Sessions and maybe their #1 pick. Not sure if they’d throw in the pick, though.
Golden State:
We’ve discussed this one a lot, but I actually think Lopez’s development may negate the need for Biedrins. Unfortunately, I think he might still have to be included because GS doesn’t have a large expiring contract and I don’t want Ellis. I also say that since they screwed us at the draft, we raise the price: Amare for Curry/Randolph/Claxton’s expiring/and maybe Vlad Rad’s kinda crappy contract that still only has another year on it.
Again, I would do the Minny Deal in a heart-beat, either of them, but Amare wouldn’t resign there. I also think if we could get Randolph from the Warriors I would be extremely happy, but Amare says no for the same reason.
Honestly, you’d want to be looking at a team like the Nets, Chicago, Miami, or Atlanta if you’re looking for destinations that Amare says yes to. If we could package a deal with a resigned Amare for Josh Smith & fillers, that would be a great deal on Phoenix’s end.
Sweet Jesus.
If we can get Josh Smith here, I’ll be the first in line to buy his jersey. Josh Smith with Steve Nash could be downright disgusting, and he’s one of the league leaders in blocks. To top it all off, his field goal percentage is as high as it’s ever been (as he’s stopped shooting threes) and is much more of a well rounded player.
Yes, yes, and yes.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 25, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Before this season started ...
A trade for Josh Smith would have been easy. But Josh Smith has gotten his poop in a group this year and he’s making it very hard for Atlanta to consider parting with him.
Direct comparison
Tyrus Thomas?
People were saying the same thing about Josh Smith that they’re saying about Tyrus right now. I think he’s capable of being an impact player, but his leash has been too short in Chicago.
+1
Josh Smith is freaking awesome
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Yeah I was just going off of the teams
Coro was reporting were interested. I think you’re right on the money for teams I think are actually our best trade partners.
However, I do think the Warriors and are good “rental” partners. They’re teams that, to me, seem like they’d be ok with “renting” Amare for a year and then letting his contract expire. So essentially they turn some players into a giant expiring contract.
not a year
renting Amare would be more like the rest of the season
If you are Golden State it would be a huge risk to trade any young assets for Amare only to have him walk in July.
As for Atlanta, I don’t see them as an organization that Amare would consider to be “committed to building a contender”. They also have Joe Johnson as a free agent this summer as well. So from a basketball standpoint, Atlanta’s not a good choice for Amare but as a market I think your right. Plus his record label is there.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
Hypocalypto Records
“Record Label started by C.E.O Amar’e Stoudemire & managed by G.M. Travis King. "
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 8:55 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think
he sees himself as a performer as much as a producer/promoter
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think Minny would trade Love for Amare
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
GSW
Randolph+Curry+Wright+Bell(salary filler) and I would say yes yes yes.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
But again, Amare said he wouldn't re-sign there last year, so they wouldn't gut their youth for him
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Honestly
I think the Golden State said they’d give him the max, he’d stay in San Fran, which is one of my favorite cities I’ve ever been to.
Agreed.
San Fran might not be a huge market team, but it’s one of the best cities in America to visit (and live, I’d imagine). I’d like to live there.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 25, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
Houston
Amare Stoudemire and Jason Richardson to the Houston Rocks for Carl Landry, Shane Battier and Tracy McGrady’s huge expiring contract. Landry and Battier would probably solve our defense problem and toughness problem immediately.
I'd do this as well
Landry’s really shined this year, Battier is the best defender man to man in the league, and McGrady’s huge expiring is a big plus, but I would think that Houston says no. You never know though with the McGrady situation
I guess I hit on something. I didn’t know Battier was that great a defender, although I heard that he does a good job guarding Kobe Bryant. Yeah, that was my fear—that Houston wouldn’t like it. We’d come out ahead.
Battier is amazing as a defender
does everything you need….Houston values him immensely i think, and probably doesn’t love Amare….But Amare, Brooks, and Ariza would be a great combination, imo.
by ArizonaCactus on Jan 25, 2010 6:04 PM MST up reply actions
Detroit?
Tayshaun Prince ($10.3 mil., 2 yrs.) and Kwame Brown ($4 mil. expiring)
And then, depending on how much cap space/young talent you’re looking for…
Throw in either Chris Wilcox ($3 mil. expiring, player option) or Jason Maxiell ($5 mil., 3 yrs.)
If we're talking Detroit, I'd do:
Amare for Stuckey/Villanueva/Daye/Brown’s expiring contract. It’s really hard to find a Detroit trade I like. The only players on their roster I like (especially considering their salaries) are Stuckey and Bynum. Daye has potential, but he’s also too similar to Clark.
No Daye!
Clark is Daye, but better. We have the better of the two. Also, I just enjoy watching the Pistons lose. Not sure why.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 25, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah I don't really like Daye very much
Pretty much any Piston’s trade proposition has me going “Eh, there’s got to be something better.”
I like Daye a lot actually
I wouldn’t mind having both of them here
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I don't hate the Pistons
I just hate what they have to offer for Amare. They overpaid for decent players, they don’t have a huge expiring contract, and they have a couple good (but older) players on terrible contracts.
I don't hate the Pistons.
I just, for some reason, enjoy watching them lose. I was a big Tayshaun Prince fan (still am, it’s too bad he’s injured/dropped off in productivity) and I liked Billups. I just don’t like the team that much, for whatever reason.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 25, 2010 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
Nope
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Kwame Brown on the Suns??
You might as well bring back the Big White Australian (He Who Shall Not Be Named).
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
I love the Houston option...
I like Amar’e alot and would hate to see him go. But let’s face it, that seems like what’s most likely going to happen. Unfortunate, but that’s the nature of the business. I’m preparing myself for the inevitable. Amar’e being traded is not neccesarily a bad thing. Granted, if we get the right pieces in return. I don’t mind trading JRich and Amar’e for two guys like Battier and Landry. We’ll improve our defense substantially, and won’t lose too much on the scoring side. I’m encouraged by Lopez and Dragic’s recent play and feel we have something to build on. Here’s another thought: with Amar’e gone we can now focus on developing our 1st round draft pick E.Clark and perhaps he’ll get enough practice and confidence to play to his potential if we make a playoff run. Now if we keep Amar’e and sign him to a Max contract, miracles sometimes happen, I won’t be too dissappointed with that as well. I like our team as is and think we’re competitve and exciting to watch. Maybe not enough to win the West, but a least compete and win on some nights against good teams. Either way, I hope we don’t get screwed by letting Amar’e go or trade him away for peanuts either.
Geo
The problem with trading for Battier and Landry
is that there’s no potential, we get what we get. Landry is only a year younger than Amar’e and Battier is 30. It’s not that i don’t like those players but if we got thomas from the bulls or randolph from the warriors those guys have some potential to be great players, which is what we need if we’re rebuilding.
yup - agree
I am just not feeling those guys here in Phx
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
Ehh. I would eagerly trade potential (the unknown) for the known, if the known were this defense, toughness, etc. that we don’t have.
by species8473 on Jan 25, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
Amare
I’d love to see Amare stay a Suns player, but the fact that he will most likely opt out and sign elsewhere will lead me to come to the conclusion that he needs to be traded. If he’s traded, we have to think about now and the future becuase that is what Amare was supposed to be for us; Talent we can use now and then keep to build around in the future.
We definitely need a combo of young talent and/or draft picks. If we get a veteran in place of him, there has to be draft pics or young prospects included with it.
Coro was on Doug & Wolf this morning.
Said the market is not really hot for Amare yet, but he gets the feeling that the Suns are going to try much harder to trade Amare, since they’re now looking at him walking away for nothing. He didn’t say anything too mindblowing, but just re-affirmed what we all kind of know already: Amare’s basically gone at the trade deadline.
Photos
anyone else appreciate my choice of the darkened, slightly unfocused picture of Amare for this story? I thought it was an inspired choice myself
btw – Max has been busy and/or sick which is why we don’t have photo galleries from the last three home games. Don’t worry though, he’s still there shooting away and I am sure will get caught up on those
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"I've long thought Chicago and Miami were likely destinations for Amare"
Amare is looking for a franchise that he believe can win and he’s smart enough to know that might take a little time. He seems to be looking for an ownership group committed to winning and in the NBA that means a team willing to spend money.
Oh, sorry.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 9:10 AM MST reply actions
While I do think Chicago is very likely to be a trade partner, I kinda hope they aren't.
I really don’t love any of the deals coming out of the Bulls. Thomas has a lot of upside, but he’s been in the league long enough now to show he’s not really going to put all of it together. I like Deng, but his contract sucks.
the thing about Thomas
is that if any team wants him, they don’t need to trade for him, just use the MLE in the offseason. The Bulls likely won’t match, I think they’re done with the whole thing and want to use their cap space elsewhere.
I think Tyrus would have a great chance to blossom in Phoenix though, for what it’s worth.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
Of course ...
If the Bulls offered Rose …
Just kidding! They might not even be willing to part with Noah anymore.
The Bulls deal I
sort of like is Tyrus and Hirnrich. I know Kirk has 3 years left and is being paid a lot but I would seriously consider this and then also look to move LB so you end up with a back court of Nash, Hinrich, Richardson and Goran which has the added advantage of being eligible to play in the All White league in Georgia…
It also makes Jason very movable this summer. Frankly the combination of Steve, Kirk and Goran would be pretty darn awesome. You’ve got ball handling galore and two of three guards that are actually good defenders. Goran gets to learn offense from Nash and defense from Kirk.
In fact, if you want to have even more fun I would try and just swap LB for Salmons as part of the deal:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygnfk2k
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
The Miami deal
I just came up with made me laugh b/c its Beasley, QRich’s expiring and one of Miami’s 1st round picks for Amare.
Miami has their pick and Toronto’s. Both will likely be in the high teens.
The comedic value of QRich being traded yet again and coming back to Phx…well that’s just gold. He does have a good reputation here so no reason why the Suns wouldn’t take him back. He brings more depth at the 2/3 and is a great locker room guy. Plus he doesn’t have to learn his way around a new city!
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
If we get Chalmers too then I'm down
But I like jburning’s version where we get Jermaine’s exiring for Richardson as well.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I don't see any way
the Suns trade JRich and Amare at the same time
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
and btw
why on earth would Miami want to pay Jason $14m to play behind Wade?
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
That's what I was thinking
They’d have a sick backcourt with Haslem and Amare upfront.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Playing Wade and Jason together
makes no sense to me…which isn’t to say they wouldn’t do it but I seriously don’t like those two on the floor together
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
Kirk
isn’t a big guy – almost exactly the same size are Goran but he plays bigger than he is. He’s guarded Kobe and even LeBron. I love his defensive game.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
I like Kirk a lot
But I think he’s overpaid just like Richardson is.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I'd love Hinrich+Tyrus for Amare
I think the major hurdle is them agreeing on an extension. I really don’t think the Bulls see Amare as a max player, but they’re in a bind to overpay for talent this offseason, and it’d make more sense to have an acquisition now instead of taking the chance of striking out in July.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
I think any team going after Amare basically realizes
He’s either a rental for the remainder of the year or a max (or very near-max) player going forward.
Because if he's
included in the deal we still have money under the cap to spend on someone else
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
Expanding upon Tyrus
It’s weird, because, there’s not like there’s been a player that much better than him on the roster in his time here. They keep wanting him to get better without actually playing.
Great front office management style there. Pick a guy with all the ‘potential’ (as they’ve done this year too), sit him on the bench and expect him to get better from watching, while you waste a draft pick.
True, he’s not where they’d like him to be, but you have to at least give the guy a fair chance. It doesn’t seem that his coaches here have given him the opportunity to make mistakes and learn from them. Not saying I want him to continue to make mistakes, but he was raw when they drafted him, and they’ve held it against him.
I think Clark
is further along basketball wise than Tyrus. I think they could actually play together. And let’s face it, if you’re doing a trade losing Amare, the rebuilding process will happen sooner than later. The Bulls happen to play in the east where even below average teams make the playoffs. Making the playoffs has actually hindered their ability to let their young players develop.
Amare is a PF and we should get another PF in return. We need someone young and can balance scoring and defending ( rebounds and blocks ) and potential to become an all-star like the one his replacing. Kevin Love and Anthony Randolph are the only two guys that pops to my head at this moment. Also we need draft pick from a team that probably won’t be getting to the playoffs.
Another 7 ft. center wouldn’t hurt.
Landry+TMEC for Rich+Amare!
Meh.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Landry and someone else—the salaries require it.
by species8473 on Jan 25, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
one question...
again about this nba logic… if we get expiring contracts with player we do not want to sign later on (let’s say big Z’s) we would have to go to FA market in summer and again, we cannot sign any above cap space, right? so basically we would need several expiring contracts to be able to atract some big FA in the summer…
I hope I described correctly :-)
Well the hope would be that you get a young guy with the potential to develop into an all-star
Which would negate the need to find a big free agent. A player such as Beasley, Randolph, Speights, etc. And then you use the expiring contract to fill needs on your roster.
right
the purpose for including a big expiring contract like Z’s is to make the trade work. Trades have to be balanced (within 125%) salary wise.
So lets say the Suns REALLY love JJ Hickson. Well, he’s on a rookie contract making just a few million so they can’t trade Amare for him straight up. But they can trade Z and JJ for Amare. Then after this season the Suns get to keep JJ and still be way under the lux tax and also be enough under the salary cap to sign a rotation/role player if they want
The purpose for being under the lux tax but over or at the salary cap is you can afford to extend your own young players when their rookie deals are up. Look at Portland as an example who just had to extend both Roy and Aldridge
OKC is going to face this in a few years when Durant, Green, Harden and Westbrook all go from rookie to real contracts within a year of each other. They won’t be able to afford to keep all four of them. Fortunately, they have several more years before they need to worry about that.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
Please please please please please tell me the suns don't want Hickson
we SHOULD have got hickson in the shaq trade. we SHOULDN’T trade amar’e for him
The Suns do covet Hickson. I like him, too.
But he doesn’t have the upside of a lot of the other players being discussed.
It's not that i don't like Hickson
it’s that i don’t want to trade Amar’e for him and expiring contracts. That would be a worse salary dump than the Gasol trade
agree
you almost need to swing a three team w/ Cleveland that sends Z somewhere else and nets us more young talent….
Options galore but consider teams that want to dump salary (Utah and New Orleans come to mind)
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
CHRIS PAUL!
:-D
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Any chance we could get Ronnie brewer from Utah
i know he can’t shoot, but i love that guy.
exactly. him or a draft pick. i question kerr’s bargaining skills much more than i do his talent evaluation.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Jan 25, 2010 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
Coro says that Minny or GS are unlikely
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/72351
If we make that effing Cleveland deal with Hickson and Z I will be so, SO TICKED!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
What if Z...
was rerouted to WIZ and Caron Butler was sent to MEM w/ Rudy Gay + filler coming to PHX
Basically yielding Hickson, Gay and expirings
This actually is great.
I love the idea of Gay on this team, but Memphis would no longer want Stoudemire, since they already have Gasol and Randolph clogging things up.
Stoudemire to the Lakers
for Walton and Odom. Then the Lakers go 75-7
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
I'd be slightly more okay with that, but isn't Rudy going to be a FA this offseason as well?
If he leaves it would defeat the purpose of the trade, and I don’t want us to overpay him.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Well, Gay is a restricted free agent, so that's at least something.
But yes, we could end up overpaying. But he’s very young and has had himself a pretty good year.
because he plays for
a coach that continues to push him, I doubt he’ll be playing that well here in PHX
Well here he wouldn't have to fight his own teamates for shots
you remember that game-winner gay hit last week? he had to throw mayo into the scorers table and drop-kick zach randolph just to get the ball.
You've reminded me
Forget Gay, the Grizzlies that I really want are Gasol or Mayo
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
You can’t be serious. How many games would he be suspended?
by species8473 on Jan 25, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
I think DaveJD is being facetious here.
Just meaning he had to try really hard just to get a shot for himself, since Mayo and Randolph are black holes for the ball.
i don’t think memphis makes a caron for gay trade. not with the way butler has played this year.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Jan 25, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
Z would have to be traded to a 3rd team in a Cleveland trade....
otherwise Kerr would be a complete tard.
Philly and Washington would be possible destinations for his expiring
If we could reroute Z to Philly for Iguodala I'd do it
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
OOh now we're talking
Iggy and Hickson would be worth amar’e. But aren’t the 76ers only dangling Iggy to get another team to take dalembert or brand?
Mmm that's true.
I was just thinking of something like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yglrza4
We can waive Carney+Powe if need be.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
And this is all completely unreasonable, I realize
Only reason that Sarver would want Z is to buy him out.
Eff.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I dunno
i think even he realises he needs something back for Amar’e.
Something back = the amazing superstar JJ HICKSON!
WOOO!!!!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
How about this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk9l2ok
Dalembert defends pretty well against D.Howard so the cavs might do it. Philly get their cap relief and we get Iggy and Varajao and the amazing superstar JJ HICKSON!
Obviously never going to happen but a fine piece of armchair GMery if i do say so myself
I actually think this trade
Works out pretty well for all three teams. I don’t particularly like Varajao, though.
Me neither really he's soft, a flopper, and is paid too much.
But Hollinger chose him as his candidate for Defensive player of the year this afternoon so he’s the sort of mobile defensive big the suns could use.
I actually really like Varejao.
He plays hard and has been pretty smart this year.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 25, 2010 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
creative but no
Suns take on $4m more in salary this year plus two extra players
Cavs love Andy. His defense is a big reason for their success
Philly maybe does this but their fans would revolt even more. Basically they are dumping two starters for salary relief
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
That would be nice. Iguodala plays more defense than Jason Richardson.
by species8473 on Jan 25, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
if we could get a backup center, frye could easily play PF and have lou as backup with robin as center. frye can finish at the rim and i’m sure you’ve seen he can slam it home pretty hard, so after some work with nash and the guys, i think he could get in there as well as shoot the long ball. otherwise, i think we’re set with guys. it’s gonna lead to unfair minutes for people if we get more than we need.
I would do Speights+Iguodala from Philly
And I’d get greedy and ask them for Holiday or Young as well. Just because armchair GMing is fun.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I simultaneously love this time of year and hate it. I love it because I’ve been waiting for this team to be blown up for a while, drop the SSOL dream, and re-position itself for a real championship run (down the line) instead of remaining mired in mediocrity and first-round losses.
I hate it because the fans suggest some really stupid trades or don’t understand that the goal of the Suns’ front office is to rebuild, NOT to trade Amare for something to “put them over the top” right now.
Amare is NOT going to be traded for Wade, LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, etc. or any of the players above him on the talent totem pole, so give up on that idea. The Suns are looking for young players with potential and expiring contracts. All trade ideas must keep this in consideration.
+1 man
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Totally Agree!
but you’ve gotta love a bit of armchair GMing though?
Admitting you're throwing a ridiculous trade out there is one thing.
But a lot of people seriously believe that Amare/Richardson for LeBron James is a great trade because it works in the ESPN trade machine!
yes but
Amare and JRich for LeBron and Z works. DO IT NOW!!!
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
Lol J-rich for Lebron works in the trade machine
you never know, he might leave, better to get J-rich as insurance than lose him for nothing
What about this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylj8952
makes sense for all teams i’d say.
by DaveJD on Jan 25, 2010 11:17 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
All the players suggested here in this thread to be traded for Amare are having a great season. I doubt they’ll be traded.
Well that's what it's going to take, from a youth standpoint.
At least I hope the Suns, if they trade Amare, are looking to trade him for a young guy who’s had a good year. You gotta give up talent to get talent.
Teams who have superstars in the same age range as Amare are likely to look to get him, because then they have two great players in their prime. Which is why Miami makes th emost sense to me.
not true
Marc Gasol was a project…and is turning out to be pretty good
however, it was still a lopsided trade at the time….a little less so in retrospect, however
by ArizonaCactus on Jan 25, 2010 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
Trade machine is fun
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygg95f3
Let’s plunder Chicago and get 209834 players!!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Portland?
I heard about trade rumors to Portland last year but with all of their injuries this year I doubt it would happen. (Rudy Fernandez+Aldrich? would sound good). I love Amar’e ever since he became a Sun and paired with Nash has been the face of the franchise. I don’t want to start over and rebuild with players who do not have the potential that Stody does. Give him the money and hopefully we can get rid of Richardson so we can Bosh next year ;]. That is not likely in any case since if we do re-sign Amar’e then I don’t think we’d have the cap to go for any of the decent FAs next year but with Nash and Amar’e wouldn’t that look enticing to some free agent out there if and only if we can give him a new contract?
Rudy+LaMarcus would be interesting
Although LMA is having a bit of a down year.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
you think
people here get on Amare for not rebounding or playing in the paint? LMA only works next to a legit big like Oden or Pryz. He’s worse than Amare as a 5
Anyway – I don’t think Portland makes sense for Amare at all. Wrong system
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
I agree.
All in all, what kind of trade would you like to see?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
See above
Chi – Tyrus and Kirk (possibly also LB and Salmons but the more players, the more complicated)
Miami – QRich and Beasley and #1 rd pick (they have 2)
NJ – Yi, Lee, Simmons expiring and next yrs 1st rd pick
Not a fan of Chicago. Like some of the GSW options (Curry I LOVE) or Minnie (Love I love) but Amare’s not going to agree to either of those. Can you blame him? Al Jeff btw is a really nice player but a bad fit w/ Nash. I don’t like anything Detroit has to offer and Amare wouldn’t go there. Same with Philly although I do like Speights and of course Iggy but that seems like a long shot to me.
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
Man, I just really do not like what Chicago has to offer.
I really just see maddening inconsistency with Thomas, and Kirk’s a nice player, but since I don’t really like Thomas, he’d be the main player in this trade. And he’s more of a thrown-in type of player. He’s got great tenacious defense, but he’s overpaid.
I like the Miami trade the most, and the NJ trade is great if they include the pick, and palatable if they do not.
Same here on Chicago
For me, Hinrich is a better player than Tyrus, and Tyrus is just kind of a wildcard.
MIA: Beasley+picks and/or Chalmers
GSW: Curry+Randolph (still my dream package)
PHI: Iggy+Speights. If they don’t want to give up Speights, then Holiday+Iggy+Young.
That’s all I can really stomach. If we do get Z+Hickson, we better sure as heck flip Z for something awesome.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I hate to say it
but is it the end of the world if the player we get with the Amar’e trade doesn’t really gel with nash. If we trade Amar’e for young talent thats management basically admitting that the 7sol window is closed and we need to rebuild, possibly with a new philosophy. If we’re doing that then it seems senseless to turn down an offer of Al Jefferson (in a vaccum, the best player being mentioned) for STAT because Nash isn’t going to be playing for ever and i think it’s quite clear we’re not going to win a championship in that time.
I agree
We need to think beyond Nash. If Dragic is the PG of the future, I see our team as more of a “3 guys have 5-6 assists a piece” rather than “1 guy has 15 assists”.
great point
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
We do need to think beyond Nash but as it stands right now, he is one of the best players in the league
Even if we are “rebuilding”, I want Nash to be running the show. Two years down the line Dragic can step in and start showing everyone why he rocks, but I think that Steve is somebody that we need to keep even if we are in “blow it up” mode, unless we get an offer that really blows us away.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
i wasn't suggesting we trade Nash
but has anyone considered the possibility that he asks for a trade if we start trading pieces?
He might, but he's stressed that he just wants to have fun playing again, so if he's chill on the court then I think we'll be okay.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
+1. I’ve wondered if Nash’s assists make the other players think they don’t need to make any.
by species8473 on Jan 25, 2010 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
Hollinger threw one of the best insults ever at LaMarcus Aldridge. He said if Aldridge “were any softer, you could blow your nose with him.”
by species8473 on Jan 25, 2010 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
Boris+Gerald Wallace XD
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Laker friend of mine threw out Bynum+Farmar+Morrison
I’d do it, even though I don’t think we’re ever going to make a trade with LA, ever.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I would actually love Bynum
but i don’t see it happening.
Improving a division rival and the slimiest winning team in the league would be unwise.
by species8473 on Jan 25, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Rubio draft rights from MInnesota
ESPN rumours says that suns would be interested in his rights in any trade with Minnesota
Now THAT is interesting
I love Rubio more than I love cereal(and I love cereal.)
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
that's no more rumor than these comments
of a rumor than anything we are doing…
But we’ll throw this one out there: The Suns should inquire about receiving Ricky Rubio in any trade talks with the Wolves. Minnesota GM David Kahn has been reluctant to trade Rubio’s rights in the past.
Hollinger comes in w/ the reality check:
“The best alternative for such a deal to work would probably be a three-way deal, as Stoudemire would be unlikely to re-sign with the Timberwolves and Minnesota doesn’t have a great need for him with two offensive-minded, poor-defending big men already in Kevin Love and Al Jefferson. Presumably the Timberwolves would want a quality wing player in the exchange.”
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
I had the impression that he was a snob about going to Minnesota.
by species8473 on Jan 25, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Not wanting to go to Minnesota is not snobbery
Small market teams (especially one’s that don’t spend money to win) seriously limit a players earning potential for off the court sponsorships
Besides, I’ve been to Minnesota in the winter time. Why on earth would he choose to go?
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
to be realistic
the chicago trade (Chi – Tyrus and Kirk for Amare maybe a second round pick or cash considerations whatever that means) is the most realistic trade and will save sarvar $2.5 but still be over the tax
the Miami trade ( QRich and Beasley and #1 rd pick (they have 2) is the prefered option and if amare opts in and stays with his $17m contarct the heat will be $43m and about $10m to spend in free agency but problem is they have 6 player on roster if amare and wade stays with them so i doubt they trade any of thier back to back first round picks.
My prefered option is for Tyrus and Kirk for Amare, see how tyrus performs with us in the system if he is good keep him but most likely he will be gone and kirk’s contract next year is for $9m we would have around $43m for salary with 11 players and around $10m for free agency
The problem with Tyrus is that if we get him he will probably turn into a good player like Diaw did because of playing with Nash and in the system, but he will never reach his full potential and the word is that he still has yet to get his head straight and mature.
If we get him than chances are we will overpay him for playing good for one year and looking like he has a whole lot of more potential to be great. Than we realize that he doesn’t the season later and try to trade him., but only we can’t because of his contract. I DONT WANT ANOTHER BORIS DIAW! This is a bad deal.
Usually I’m right when it comes to players coming to our team. I knew Nash would help us out; I knew Tim Thomas would help us make a run. I knew Grant Hill would be a good fit. That Fyre would be a good fit(although I still didn’t prefer him). I liked getting Raja and Q. I knew Marcus Banks was a bad ideal, I knew Matt Barnes was a bad ideal. I liked getting J-Rich( although he hasn’t played like I thought he would, but he has stepped it up on the defensive end and the rebounds which I didn’t expect of him). I heard good things from Dudley and had a feeling he would be a good player for us. I didn’t really ever like Diaw and I always wondered how him and Amare would co-exist. I liked Amundson the first time I watched him play. I had mixed feelings on Shaq. I have a really bad feeling about Tyrus Thomas. WE DONT WAN HIM. By the way, I am also a Bulls fan and I have seen Thomas play.
Dude, you should totally apply to be Suns GM
by DaveJD on Jan 25, 2010 1:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, the first time I saw Amundson play was in the summer league. I was hoping we would sign him because I knew he would be a good player for us. As for Dragic and Lopez; I bought into all the hype that Kerr and the Front office put into him and far things look good.
Did you know OBL was going to blow up the towers?
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
20/20 hindsight.
You basically just stated everything every Suns fan has thought about any player on our team from the last few years.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 25, 2010 4:38 PM MST up reply actions
Alright.
I don’t believe that, but hey man, to each his own. It doesn’t matter much anyway.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 26, 2010 10:05 PM MST up reply actions
We don't have any leverage
Our track record is such that we’ve shown that dolla dolla bills(yo!)>talent, and Amare is a rental as no team has a guarantee that he’ll re-sign with them.
I have a feeling that we’re kind of screwed.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Yeah, they should have traded last year at the deadline.
When they had some leverage and before Amare got injured. Now everyone basically knows the Suns have no option but the trade Amare.
However, I think because of that, it will create a lot more competition to secure his services, so teams will be bidding against each other.
...and then Amar'e says, I only want to play in Cleveland
and we are effed
I don't think he'll do that.
And I actually think Cleveland is one of his least-preferred destinations, because he’d be completely overshadowed by LeBron.
Personally, I think Amare cares more about money and his place in the totem pole. If he were to be the “featured player” in a team that offered him a max deal, but was perhaps less inclined to regular winning, I think he’d be down for it.
Yes, Amare can’t “be the man” in Cleveland. Or in Miami, where Dwayne Wade is “the man.” He could probably be the man in Houston.
Or Atlanta!
I am seriously dreaming of netting Josh Smith. It’s such a pipe dream.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 25, 2010 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
I love the way the Horford and Smith can push the ball up court themselves
lets trade nash to Atlanta for smith and have him play pg
How can he go
to Cleveland knowing that LeBron could walk this summer?
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 25, 2010 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
I guess the idea is that Amare would be enough for LeBron to win a title in CLE, thus enticing him to stay
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
well...that's the idea
but would risk being stuck in Cleveland for 5 years without LeBron.
We are talking about Cleveland here…it’s one thing to be stuck in Miami on a bad team…but Cleveland?
Now way I let Amare go there if I’m his agent until LeBron signs first
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 26, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
His options aren't too bad
He just tells the Cavs, “Look, if LeBron re-signs, I promise I’ll re-sign. If he doesn’t, I’m opting out and heading into free agency.” Not that it’d go anywhere near consoling the team for losing the greatest NBA player in a decade, but having LeBron, Amare, and Shaq all coming off the books at once would be an obscene amount of cap space.
Except that the Suns future depends on how this deal goes down.....
If Kerr and Sarver screw this up they will never live it down and should go ahead and fire themselves. Then again, they are idiots.
I KNOOOOOW
Why don’t we trade AMARE + LB + Future Draft Pick for David LEE + Danilo Gallinari + Jordan HiLL ??? EXCELENTEEEEE
I know that Amare probably wouldn't re-sign in Detroit but they've got some nice young pieces
If we could get Daye, Summers, Jerebko from them I’d do it. Prince would have to be added for salary filler. Their first rounder is going to be pretty decent this year too. I’d much rather send Amare to Detroit rather than Chicago or Cleveland since DET’s further from championship contention than the other two teams.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Man, Detroit really doesn't sound appealing to me.
Daye’s alright, but I’m not too into him, and I don’t like Summers or Jerebko much except as role players.
Your filler in that equation is the player I like most out of the deal.
I like Prince way more than Daye, and like jburning said, I think Summers and Jerebko will amount to being solid role players, at best.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 25, 2010 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
The Knicks aren’t interested in Amare. They already have their plan and thats to get Bosh and Lebron.
Cleveland I heard was just a rumor thrown out there by Amare’s agent to spice the interest up a bit. Besides it wouldn’t work because they cant keep both Lebron and Stat.
Houston can give us the best offer, but the Heat seem the most likely because they’re in another conference.
They could keep LeBron and STAT.
Teams can go over the cap to re-sign their own players, and the Cavs would own the Bird rights to both Amare and LeBron if they received Amare in a trade.
Eugh imagine the Amar'e-LeBron pick-and-roll game
and people say its hard to guard nash and amar’e running it
I'm going to be dreaming around with a three-way until he's traded to Cleveland for JJ Hickson
Wolves get Caron Butler
Wizards get Amar’e
Suns get Blatche, rights to Rubio, expirings (Blount+Stevenson) and a pick from Washington
please trade get jason richardson into the deal aswell with amare.
i understand that amare is our biggest asset trade wise and will bring us back more than anyone else and obviously that he is able to leave for nothing at the end of the season but for gods sake get rid of jason richardson aswell, one good game in the last 20 games and against the nets just isnt good enuff for the ridiculous contract he has
i disagree with much of the JRich hate
he may not have the stats, but he is arguably our best defender as a starter, and has grabbed key rebounds/made hustle plays that the team needs….
it’s clear if he was the go-to guy on a team, he could still put up the numbers we saw him put up prior to joining the suns. however, that’s not his role here, and he may be paid too much for his role here, but i think he’s played fairly well, all things considered.
JRich’s level of play isn’t in my top 5 reasons the Suns are disappointing this year.
by ArizonaCactus on Jan 25, 2010 6:46 PM MST up reply actions
I agree. However, his 3point% has gone down and I didn’t expect that.
The Suns just don’t play defense. With this pace we wont win 50 games as many of us predicted. Gosh, I thought we could be a top 4 seed, but boy the more we lose the more I realize how important Marion was to these Run’n’gun Suns. He played good D, shot the 3 well, rebounded well, and did a lot of the small things. He was a smart player too. These Suns under Nash are going to need a guy similar to him. It’s not fair to Nash if we rebuild and remain a decent team for his remaining 3 years on his contract. I’m hoping we can pick up a good versatile defender in a trade with Amar’e.
do you remember last year
when they pulled the prank on barbosa that he was traded? he started crying. he loves phoenix and if he gets traded, i think he’d commit suicide.
True. I really don't want to see him go.
And I actually think it would crush Nash to see him go, as well. But I think Clark will be a huge part of our team going forward, and I don’t want to be stuck with Nocioni’s contract.
We’d have to unload a shooting guard with Martin coming in. I’d much rather unload Richardson than Barbosa, but I don’t think the Kings would do that.
At the start of the season i would've said the same thing about LB
but to borrow a phrase from Jared Dudley, he’s gotta “nut up”, i’ve become a bit disenchanted with Barbosa this season and if he has to go then i’ll accept it. Probably still miss him though.
I actually really like that trade.
If the Kings are interested, make it!
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 26, 2010 10:08 PM MST up reply actions
I'm thinking Beasley is our best/most realistic option
Honestly, at this point I’m just hoping for Beasley. He’s the best prospect we can get for Amare.
If I’m being realistic, I think this is an okay trade for me: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yko5l8z
Beasley/Chalmers/Q/maybe a pick or two for Amare/Griffin
This trade is very similar/perhaps identical to what jburning and a few others have posted upthread.
Whether or not Miami will give up Beasley at all is another matter entirely. Beasley’s only three months older than I am. Dude has the potential to be a franchise player. He was a better college player than Durant was. Durant has turned into an absolute superstar after having the keys handed to him right off the bat(similar to BroLo in NJ), but Beasley has had to play second fiddle to Wade and hasn’t gotten consistent minutes. I know he’s had his off-the-court issues already, and that’s a big obstacle for bringing him to Phoenix, but again, if you’re going for value, I think this is a trade you have to make. We already know that Q is a good fit here, and he’s an expiring contract. Chalmers is a good young prospect as well.
Nash/Dragic/Chalmers
Richardson/Dudley
Hill/Q/Clark
Beasley/Amundson
Lopez/Frye/Collins
IR: Barbosa.
Next season, Richardson will be an expiring contract, and we’ll have youth that will hopefully take another step forward.
At the start of next season:
Hill(38)
Nash(36)
Richardson(29)
Barbosa(27)
Amundson(27)
Frye(27)
Dudley(25)
Dragic(24)
Chalmers(24)
Clark(22)
Lopez(22)
Beasley(21)
I actually think that we could be a good team in a few years as they develop, and we wouldn’t be half-bad next season either with a fresh start.
I don’t see GS giving up Curry or Randolph, Minny’s not giving up Jefferson or Love or Rubio. Sac won’t give up Martin. We’re stuck with the uninspiring platter from Chicago, a collection of “meh” prospects from New Jersey, or a lot of dolla dolla bills+JJ Hickson from Cleveland. I think Miami is our best shot, and I think Amare would love living it up in South Beach next to Wade.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
The florida sun-sentinel had something today about the heat mulling an offer for amar'e which would have to include beasley.
i would love Beasley if it could happen but i’m not sure we could get much else other than expirings with him (which i’d be okay with).
Oh and just imagine our dominating presence in the paint with beasley and frye manning the middle till the end of the season!
I really don't like Chalmers.
I don’t know why. But I really am not a fan of him.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jan 26, 2010 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
he lost his starting job to
Rafer Alston
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 27, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
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