Amare Stoudemire Annual Trade Discussion Time
For the third year in a row we enter the NBA trade deadline discussion period wondering if Amare Stoudemire will remain a Phoenix Sun.
As much as I would like to ignore this topic and focus exclusively on basketball games played on the court, there is no avoiding this conversation. Like Amare rising up from the middle of the lane for a vicious Statue of Liberty dunk, it simply can't be denied so let's roll. Bring it on. Fire it up. Let's dance.
It is only the most important question facing the Suns after all. If they trade him and don't get enough back they risk giving up one of the best players at his position in the league which generally is counter-indicated for teams seeking to increase ticket sales.
If they give him the max deal he wants they risk investing too much in a guy who's got some pretty glaring deficiencies along with a surgically repaired knee that may or may not last as long as the contract.
If they sit on their hands they risk Amare walking and getting nothing but a little cap space back in return but not enough cap space to go after any other big names. As the empty seats in Memphis prove, Cap Space doesn't draw a crowd.
This is the decision where Steve Kerr will earn all of his pay and shape the future of the franchise for the next half-decade or more. No pressure.
Recap of Last Year/Summer's Trade Wackiness:
For fun and a good chuckle go back and read this Amare Trade Rumor Thread from last February where among other things Chad Ford said it was 80% certain that Amare would be traded by the deadline. Not to blame Ford (unless it is Darko-related) since there was a tremendous amount of chatter coming from all parts of the NBA map.
Detroit, Chicago, Miami, Memphis, Oklahoma City...all of those cities and more were reportedly interested in dealing for Amare last year.
This summer's big (non-Shaq) news was the almost deal done with the Warriors. Suns exec's reportedly cheered loudly when Stephen Curry fell to the Warriors at the #7 with the general assumption (officially denied by the Suns) that Phoenix would have received that pick along with Biedrens and some combo of Kelenna Azubuike, Brandon Wright and/or Marco Belinelli before the Warriors either did or did not back out of the deal depending on who's rumors you choose to believe.
Needless to say where there's smoke there's often just an old guy with a pipe. Trade rumor-monger-meister Sam Smith perhaps. But sometimes there's actual phone wires being burned and celebratory cigars being fired up by GM's across this great land all convinced that they just screwed their counter-part out of something good.
Amare's Actual Performance On The Court
As a side note to the trade drama it only seems fair (somewhat) to discuss (a little) what Amare does for a living and how well he's doing it. ok?
Amare came into the season still recovering from last year's eye injury. Unlike every other summer in his career he wasn't physically able to train and build his body and his game. And yet the numbers say that Amare is a once again a top flight NBA big man.
Positionally, Amare is considered and compared with power forwards. All star committee members aside, that is his natural position. He clearly benefits from being guarded by most team's centers while their more mobile forwards check Channing Frye at his home outside the three point line. Amare also benefits from playing with Steve Nash in ways that are impossible to calculate (at least they are impossible for me to calculate).
It is fair to discount his statistics with these caveats and of course by the tempo the Suns play at. It is very possible that somewhere else he wouldn't be able to replicate these results. We've seen that from other players who have left Phoenix. But it is also possible, like Joe Johnson, that in a different system he would have more touches and have an even bigger relative impact.
Scoring Efficiency:
Amare is shooting 57.1% from the field which ranks 10th among all NBA power forwards but is by far the best percentage of any player that averages over 30 minutes per game. No offense to Trey Gilder, but I don't think his 100% shooting percentage is relevant here.
The second most efficient (relevant) scorer is Kevin Garnet at 54.7%, then comes Carlos Boozer at 53.6%, and Chris Bosh at 51.7%. That translates to an extra 1.7 points per game if Bosh shot as well as Amare.
Amare benefits from getting to the rim more than Bosh and shooting almost as good as the great Dirk Nowitzki from outside.
Checking in with 82games.com we learn that both Amare and Bosh average 49% of their points as "Inside" but there's a big difference when it come to "Dunks" (Amare, 17% / Bosh, 9%) that accounts for their overall efficiency gap. Amare's athleticism advantage over Bosh translates to the numbers.
So there you have it, Amare is the most athletic power forward in the game that is playing starters' minutes (and will remain so until/if Blake Griffin begins his NBA career).
As for the outside shots, Amare is shooting 46.9% compared to 48% for Dirk (who only scores 18% of his points inside the paint and as a result only has an overall FG% of .477). That's a gap of only 1.1% between Dirk and Amare when it comes to Dirk's single most important weapon. Put that in your bratwurst and eat it with some sauerkraut.
Just for fun, consider that Amare is also a better outside shooter than LeBron James (44.5%), LaMarcus Aldridge (42%) and far better than Pau Gasol (26.7%).
Amare's biggest weakness on the offensive end are low post moves and decision-making.
On occasion, inexplicably, the Suns have given Amare the ball late in games in the low block and let him go to work. He generally struggles to make good passes from this part of the floor and doesn't respond well to hard double teams.
At the elbow / high post he generally has more room to operate and does a decent job finding cutters. Playing with Shaq last season he had a career high 2 assists per game showing some nice inside passing chops.
Amare's at his best when he's catching the ball on the move and taking quick, decisive action. Anytime the ball sticks in his hands and he stands still for more than a few seconds, the chances of something good happening decline rapidly.
We can say a lot of things about Amare Stoudemire (and we do) but there's really no denying that he's the most efficient power forward playing the game today unless you consider Tim Duncan a power forward in which case he's in darn fine company.
None of his peers has Stoudemire's combination of inside power and outside touch. It's not even close.
Rebounding:
Amare takes a lot of flack for his rebounding but consider that his 10.2 rebounds per game in December puts him behind only Camby, Boozer, Zach Randolph and Bosh and he's within 1.2 rpg of all of those guys.
After a slow start to the season where his timing and athleticism were still recovering, Amare is now putting up big rebounding numbers on a consistent basis. He had 21 boards against the Spurs and had a five game stretch last month where he averaged 13 per game.
Most importantly, he's bringing the effort on the glass almost every night. You'd be hard pressed to find 3 games this season where Amare's effort hasn't been 100%.
It isn't comparable to look at a specialist like Lou Amundson who in limited minutes puts up gaudy rebounds on a per 40 minute basis. Lou has a great nose for the ball and puts in a ton of effort but I seriously doubt that if he were playing 35+ minutes per game every night that he would be able to sustain it. And let's not even talk about free throw shooting.
While I won't go as far to say that Amare is an elite rebounder he clearly ranks at the top of the class when it comes to power forwards that play big minutes and are also counted on to score the ball. His reputation here is far worse than his reality.
Defense:
Defense has always been a struggle for Amare but he has benefited this season from a much simplified defensive game plan that has him showing hard on each and every screen. He's done a good job using his quicks to disrupt the ball handler and then recovery rapidly to his man.
His post defense is decent and like many of the league's players in that he struggles with guys that have great back-to-the-basket footwork (Al Jefferson, Pau Gasol, Zach Randolph). He gets into trouble when he's in help rotation especially against teams like Toronto and Orlando that run funky stuff like a 2/3 high pick and roll where his assignment changes to being a help defender instead of being involved directly in the play. He simply doesn't have the instincts of the league's top defensive players like KG and Duncan and doesn't make good, timely decisions when teams force him to think fast.
Most importantly for the Suns, the days of teams abusing Amare in the pick and roll game are gone. Credit to him and the Suns coaching staff for cleaning up that glaring weakness in his game.
Intangibles:
I looked at all the stat sites out there and I couldn't find anything ranking Amare in this category. There's no score for leadership or maturity and no fancy advanced stat for being a team player. If there were I would say that Amare ranks about average.
In this age of guns in the locker room and players demanding trades, Amare is clearly above that rat pack. He's a solid guy who does everything that's asked of him and then some. He doesn't complain. He certainly doesn't cause trouble. But he's also clearly not someone who is well-suited for being a leader. It just isn't who he is in my opinion. He's not shown to be good in the Alpha dog role.
You could do a lot worse than having Amare Stoudemire on your team but if you are going to compare him to the league's most dominate personalities he will fall short. This more than anything is the reason why I have a hard time considering him a Max Contract guy. You just don't see any evidence that he's making his teammates better beyond his obvious ability to put up points at an incredibly efficient rate.
Amare's Options: Behind Door Number 1, 2 or 3
Technically, there's three things that can happen with Amare and his big fat contract over the next six months. The key fact to understand is that Amare's got a player option for next season worth $17,686,100. That means he will or will not be a free agent starting July 1st based entirely on what he decides to do. How does that make you feel Suns fans?
Here's his options and unlike on the old game show, we get to see what's behind the doors before they are opened:
Door #1. Trade
Duh, that's the point of this entire exercise. The kicker here is that any team trading for Amare at this point won't know what they are getting. Will he stay with his new team for another year? Will he opt out and test the free-agent market this summer? Will he accept an extension offer and stay in his new city?
All of those unknowns are why trading Amare is so complicated. No team is going to give up valuable assets without having answers to these questions.
This puts the ball squarely in Amare's court as he essentially would have to agree to a sign-and-trade before any team in their right mind pulled the trigger on a deal for him. And since Isiah Thomas is no longer with the Knicks it is safe to assume that all the league's GMs are sane.
Along with the Warriors (allegedly) backing out of the draft day deal, it has also been reported that Amare indicated that he would not be interested in staying in Golden State because he wanted to only play for a contender. Boom! Roasted!
This brings up an interesting dilemma and yet another reason why I don't think Amare will end up being traded - any team that gives up too much to get him will become unattractive to him as a destination. A real conundrum.
Door #2. Extension
We joke a lot around here about Amare being or not being a Max Contract player but the reality is he thinks he is and the Suns obviously don't agree or he would already be extended in Phoenix where he can get the most Maxi deal possible thanks to the CBA which gives an edge to the home team.
He's not LeBron or Kobe or Wade. He's not a no-brainer max deal guy at this point in his career with a mico-fracture repaired knee and some other deficiencies listed above. But he is far more valuable than Rashard Lewis and look at the money Orlando threw at him so who really knows?
Personally, I think I would be happy with a deal that didn't go past 4 years and was in the $12m to $15m range. That feels about right to me.
Door #3. Nothing
A very real possibility is that nothing happens and Amare finishes the year here and decides to either enter the free agent market that will be filled with lots of buyers who have been tanking for the past two years hoping to snatch up the likes of LeBron, Wade or Bosh or he could decide to take the $17m and stay in Phoenix for one more season and we will be right back here next year doing our fourth annual Amare Trade or Don't Trade missive.
If the Suns do let Amare walk and get nothing in return, they will have about $45m on the books going into next season depending on how much Channing Frye decides he might be worth on the open market (he has a player option as well). With the salary cap projected to about around $53m that only gives the Suns about $7m in room to work with which isn't going to be nearly enough to go after any other big name players.
In essence the Suns would be "trading" Amare for a mid-level exception player. This year that included Ariza and Gortat just as way of example.
Predictions
I have a hard time seeing any team putting together all the pieces to make a trade happen.
It would take an offer that would be big enough for the Suns to sell to their fans and also work according to the CBA salary match rules; a contract extension that Amare would except; and team that fits his idea of being a contender and a desirable market.
I also don't think the Suns are ready to pull the trigger on an extension and hitch the next 4 to 6 years of their wagon to Amare's back.
That brings us to door number 3.
This trade deadline silly season will come and go with lots of smoke (from Sam Smith's pipe) but on February 20th, Amare will still be a Phoenix Sun. You can take that to the bank (and hope it clears).
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the 1st four votes all went to four different choices…that’s so perfect
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We cannot risk him walking away for nothing
Sarver/Kerr would be complete idiots if they let him walk. Sign and trade means nothing since he’s not restricted. In my opinion Suns must either trade him at 50 cents on the dollar or sign him.
even if they have no intentions of signing him......
Simmons, Yi, and NJ’s late pick is better than him walking
I could be wrong
but I think the sign and trade could get him a bigger deal since the Suns can sign him to more than he can sign elsewhere as a free agent. This what happened with Rashard Lewis if I recall correctly
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it also
ensures the other team that he’s actually signed to a contract before trading for him
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Its really a tough question
The biggest unknown is obviously his health. Nevertheless I’m leaning towards a re-sign, even if it means max. Its obviously a gamble. But beyond continuing to develop one of the best outside shots for his size (especially in comparison to where it was pre-injury), this year hes acknowledged his deficiencies on D and on the glass and responded by making noticeable improvements, even though he could still be better at both. Generally when looking to sign a forward at his age you want to be sure that the expected decrease in athleticism will not be catastrophic to his productivity. And, given his efficiency, outside game and FT%, I think its reasonable to say that he’s certainly capable of being a 20 and 10 (and even as high as 24 and 11-12 if he maxed out his potential) guy for about the next 3 years. Throw in some modest improvements on D (which I don’t think is too much to ask) and to me that line is worth (or almost worth) a max deal, albeit for maybe only 3 or 4 years.
I’d be open to a trade if it meant at least an 80% return skills wise, but looking at the market now and in the coming offseason, just don’t see any comparable all-star or near all-star caliber interior players that could competently fill and amare-sized gap.
by IrrationalAgent on Jan 4, 2010 9:06 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Extension wise.......
I think 3 years at 57M is realistic, just like Pau Gasol got. Pau would be the barometer on the open market. We would be looking at 17M, 19M, 19M, 19M for Amare. I would much rather do that than him walk. Unfortunately, I think the Suns brass are thinking differently on teh Amare subject.
the suns don't have that type of money
the lakers do…..the lakers (with championships and money) can afford to go over the cap…we simply cannot. If I was Amare…I’d act like a leader instead of the selfish guy he is…and instead of pushing for $20,000,000 a yr or so, I’d take $14,000,000 and help his chances (and suns) of getting more talent around him…but that is something a leader would do…and something someone wanting to win a championship would do (Magic did it, others have)…..the problem with the suns is between marion and amare…we have 2 guys who we love, who have some great value….but aren’t leaders and aren’t unselfish….and aren’t ball handlers….max contract guys in my mind are 1 of 2 types of players
1. great ball handlers…scorers…etc….kobe, lebron, kevin durant, etc
or
2. great power forwards or centers…rarely do we get a great center in the league…shaq / yao but the great forwards are also smart…duncan…gasol…etc….Amare is right there except for the decision making….my favorite example is amare not shooting the open outside shot against d. howard of orlando but taking the ball to the hoop against him….just dumb….d. howard is like amare…on the edge but is held back by the mental side…
I haven’t heard anyone mention how often amare gets into foul trouble….either one of 2 things should be said about this
1. He isn’t very smart
2. The refs don’t favor Amare (a nice way of saying the refs mostly suck)
me…I like 1 & 2
But, the question is who could we get…and honestly…there’s really only 5 players out there that could do more than what amare is doing for us….so with that in mind…
I change my opinion (long time running) of wanting to trade him to wanting to keep him…but for $15,000,000 – $16,000,000 per yr for 4 years.
But let’s face it….is that fair based off percentage of the suns cap…what is it…$53,000,000
that means we’d be paying amare (assuming $16,000,000) 30% of all the available money within the cap to 1 player….to me….that’s too much….I think 4-5 players should be making that…lebron, kobe, durant, …
and everyone else should be at 24% or lower…making it $12,700,000 a year….but…the nba is full of selfish players and stupid gms….I don’t think kerr is stupid…he absolutely is doing the right thing considering amare’s injuries….remember if amare had continued to wear his goggles…he wouldn’t have had the serious reinjury (think I’m right on that)….
Amare will not be my favorite sun, or even second or third…but it’s hard to not say he is tied for being our most valuable….
Look at oklahoma…what a great rebuilding job they have done…their future looks bright….ours looks fair….but with a small title chance….do we go for the title shot or do we think about this team for the long term? Or both if possible? The way the suns have handled the draft….can’t say I like our future…then again…dragic has really been changing people’s minds (great to see) and dudley was an amazing discovery….and their use of frye from the 3pt line has been brilliant….
It’s really tough because I like this team and their style…but it’s hard to know who they are….a team that can beat the lakers and celtics then lose to a team that has lost 7 in a row?
Granted the celtics and lakers had injuries….
On the write up above…great stuff…especially about his percentages on offense…it’s why I now say “don’t trade him” because we simply couldn’t get anyone to match his offense…and this is an offensive style team…
They are paying him 17M right now, yes they can make an offer at 19M a year to him
You just have to adjust the rest of the roster accordingly, i.e. JRich will be gone after next year and 14M a year would be replaced with Barbosa starting at the 2 at 7M and perhaps a rookie as a backup.
It is very realistic that the Suns would resign him at 19M per year.
yeah...I'm sure your right...but...like Kerr and many others I suspect
I’m thinking he’s worth $14,000,000 not $17,000,000 – $19,000,000
But, the thought of losing him really sucks…it’ll be Kerr’s biggest decision yet I think.
i agree that he is only worth 14-15M per
however, signing him to 19M per is better than losing him for a bag of pringles
i get your point
i just think there are better players – younger players without so many past injury problems to “build the suns around”…
clearly hill and nash will be gone soon…maybe 1-2 yrs…but long term, i’d rather we go after someone else…it would be interesting to see how bosh did with nash for a year…i clearly feel nash has this season and next left at a high level….at the least
The Miami Heat's payroll next season is 24 million....
and 17 million of that is Wade’s player option.
I’m curious to see if any of these FA big names will be willing to take less money to play together. Does anyone know if a minimum contract exists on the open market for these guys?
Exaggerating: Can Lebron play for 3 million dollar next year?
a good question
thought it was 1-2 million for vets
like what hill agreed to…a guy who is easily worth 8-10 million this year
Amare's problem on the glass...
Did anyone know Amar’e’s waist size is 31". That’s just insane. We all see that he is lean, but oh my 31" is just ridiculous for a guy that’s 6’9"+.
That’s why boxing out is so difficult for him, he’s strong and all, but he doesn’t have any width to keep other players at bay.
Just an oddity to me.
good stat
what’s d.howard’s waist
never thought i’d say that..but with rebounding in mind
or what’s lopez’s?
wow I could totally borrow his pants
just have to roll up the cuffs…alot…
I am an Amare fan
Have a jersey, a couple signed things . . . I like the guy, as a player and a member of the community. He bought a house for his mother about three doors down from my parent’s house in Phoenix, and would routinely talk to neighborhood kids at length when they would come by.
I think you can win a title win Amare as your second best player. I really do. But that means we would have a short window because as awesome as Nash has been, he won’t be around in a few years. And, as played out by the Grizzlies game, I doubt think the Suns have enough talent besides Nash and STAT to do any real damage.
All this to say, I hope we sign him for less than the max, or trade him. I don’t see how letting him walk, or even a sign and trade, would be even remotely helpful.
I do think there are some trade scenarios out there. It would have to be one of two things:
A gamble on some dicey players – Teams have been willing to trade for stars at the end of contracts before as long as they weren’t giving up pure blue chips. Think of Davis to the Warrios, Peja going to the Pacers, etc. Sometimes the player doesn’t end up staying, but some (desperate) teams are willing to take that chance. Would the Sixers send Iggy here if it meant getting rid of Dalembert? When K-Mart clashes with Evans in Sac-Town, the wouldn’t send him here? I’m even thinking of the multiple franchises struggling to sell tickets – Pacers, Bobcats, etc. They wouldn’t roll the dice?
Or, a swap of future free agents. Think of the Ray Allen- Gary Payton swap. If both free agents are leaving, why not swap them and try with another guy? Guys like Bosh, JJ and Gay are almost certainly leaving their cities, maybe they’d rather stay.
I don’t think the market is that bleak. It’s at least brighter than handing the franchise over to a no-defense, injury prone big man (even if he’s a nice guy). Just ask the GMs who handed Webber and Brand there contracts
I wold love iguodala
how about j-rich and STAT for dalembert iggy and kapono.
It’s been rumored that philly would toss in iggy if houston would give them mcgradys expiring for dalembert or brand, so you never know they might prefer a star pf expiring contract than a washed up sg expiring contract.
Same here. Bosh is performing admirably without the faster pace and MVP point guard setting him up.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
cool
then imagine how he’d be with nash :-)
but what’s the deal on bosh’s contract…is this pipedream stuff or is bosh part of this 5 billion players available in 2010 thing
I'm gonna contest that Amare is a better rebounder
I think he’s gotten more rebounding opportunities because he’s paired up with Channing, who’s not much of a rebounder, and on offense isn’t in the paint most times.
In fact if you look at the Total Rebounding , Amare is leading the starters with 13.9. Next? Channing, at 11.0. Oh and Amare’s played about 3 more minutes a game.
Amare is an athletic rebounder, but he isn’t a smart one, nor is he even much of a determined one (at least not consistently).
He’s not nearly as aloof as other players, but he isn’t a leader or an example. He’s just very athletic and has a nice jumper.
Life without Amare wouldn’t be horrible, and a few years back, the Suns had to be without him. That was by far the most “fun” Suns season in the Nash era, and they won 54 games.
I don’t think we can or should trade Amare unless we get some young talent. I’d rather let him walk, and see what happens when all these teams have to let go of a bunch of players just to get the big name starts. In fact, I’d prefer he walked. 17 mil for him. Really? Of course the problem is that rather than invest in some role guys, the Suns will pocket the money.
As for an extension? Sure, but not anywhere near 13-15 milly. That Rashard made that kinda cheddar is more a reflection on his agents skills rather than his own. Amare isn’t going to get that with a reduced cap unless he’s the team’s star, with a mediocre supporting cast. If he wants to know what it’s like to make big money and be on a crappy team, he should contact Shawn and ask him how his Miami/Toronto stints went.
So basically, it’s a lose/lose situation all around unless Amare can play out of his mind, and put the team on his back deep into the playoffs. That’s the only way I can see any team being convinced he’s a max contract guy.
I'm ok if the Suns extend him
If the contract is basically as outlined by Stan. $15m/year for three years, with the fourth year being either a team (ideal) or player option. Otherwise, trade him. Letting him walk isn’t a great option. If we do let him walk, we need to save that cap space, have a crappy year in 2010-2011, get a nice lottery pick, then when JRich comes off the books that next offseason, we can really go shopping.
gasol is shooting 24%
from the outside? I am aware he is not that good of a shooter but 24 is far below my expectations… I would say 35-40% at least…
amare is better this year, and is giving it every night… but with all of that effort his D is just average… that is sad, and question is whether he can get better in his age… extension at around 14m$ per year, if he is that good of a character as we think he is, he will take it and remain Sun, giving the management a chance to get some asset on the market with spare money…
thats amare
I like him great ball player but his not 100% recovered from his eye injury.
kobe lebron and duncan are the only max players in the league.
“Personally, I think I would be happy with a deal that didn’t go past 4 years and was in the $12m to $15m range. That feels about right to me.”
I agree with Stan if this is the contract length and price.
if he takes us to the finals and plays out of his mind then maybe $18m to keep him happy but nothing more.
I don’t think its that big of a doom and gloom scenario if Amare walks.
$45m will be the payroll when Amare walks and if Frye goes it will be $43m.
Sign David Lee, he is the star of the knicks team, improving his game and imagine what he will be like if he played on our team especially with Nash. Sign him for $9m for 4 years.
Then when Frye goes shopping around the league to see what his value is he will come back to us and I say just give him between $4m-$6m of the MLE for 3 years.
Then all we will have left is the Bi-annual exception and payroll will be $60million range well below what ever the luxury tax will come down to.
What do you guys think?
Lee
David Lee will sign for much more than $9mill over 4 years. Hopefully you meant $9 mill a year over 4.
MAX CONTRACT!!!!
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
45M over 3 sounds good to me
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Give him what he is worth
Which is about 15 mill a year. Overpaying for high risk guys because you are afraid of losing them is a horrible idea. I am from Milwaukee and that what the Bucks did with Redd many years ago because they were afraid to lose him to the Cavs. That decision has crippled their cap situation for years since and doesn’t allow them any flexibility until he comes off the books. I love Amare and really like how he has developed a mid range game but you can’t give this guy a max deal. The risk/reward is not worth it. If he doesn’t accept a slightly lower deal than the max then trade him and get some value.
Amare Trade
Even though I am a huge Amare fan, I would deal him for a collection of players. Last year they could have had Landry and Brooks from Houston. How would that trade have looked now? The Suns are going nowhere with their current roster. No toughness nor bench.
I bumped this back to the top of the page
because I felt like feeding my ego
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Good job Stan
If no intensions to resign Amar’e exist and there is a decent deal out there, I think we have to move him.
I wish GS would put there offer on the table again.
Ok I mentioned it above but now I will go into more detail about my opinion.
The Suns next year need 1 of 2 players.
Bosh
Amare
I vote for Bosh. I checked the salaries and 1for1 works. Of course some draft picks or scrubs can be thrown in on either side but w/e I like the trade.
We already know Bosh wants out of Toronto, so he moves to the warm Arizona sun with his buddy and future hall-of-fame pg Steve Nash. He moves to a MUCH better winning environment with the pieces on the team to immediately threaten the Lakers for the west.
Amare just wants a max deal, and aint afraid of moving for it.
IF the Suns are going to sign a Max contract, I’d rather have Bosh.
Deal goes through, we can work a deal with Bosh, and Amare can work a deal with Toronto. If he doesn’t like it their or they wont pay him either, he can just be a free agent.
I want to meet Kerr and beg and plead him to bring Bosh here. I can only imagine how dominant we would be….
if kerr cant convince stat to stay.
i have a very stupid trade idea.
Phoenix gets:
Chris Bosh
Spencer Hawes
Casspi
Raptors gets:
Amare Stoudemire
Grant Hill
Sean May
Kings gets:
Channin Frye
Jarron Collins
Rasho Nesterovic
Keep Him pay fairly
Does any one remember Amare before Nash?
Amare, Martix and Marbury.
2002-03: 44-38 13 / 9
2003-04: 29-53 20pts/9rb
Amare, Matrix and Nash
2004-05: 62-20 26 / 9
Is he able to make the big play in crunch time?
Does Amare win games?
Do we want to give Amare a max contract if Nash is not here?
Who in the league will give Amare a max contract, if they do not have a great point guard?
I think Amare is in the top five list for power forwards. But he is not a go-to crunch guy. And without a great point guard his numbers will suffer.
So, pay him well, pay him fairly, as one of the best PF in the league. If that means a max contract, then ok.
However, given the overall economic conditions in the country, and the state of some franchises, the Suns would be wise to keep salaries in line. Amare would be wise to keep playing in Phoenix as long as Nash is here.
Keep Amar'e.
He does a lot for the Suns, he and Nash are probably are 2 most consistant players. I think the Suns should give him a good contract not max though. My favorite part of this blog was “Boom Roasted” Haha.
by TheTrippleThreat1 on Jan 19, 2010 11:39 PM MST reply actions

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