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Phoenix Suns Practice Notes: Balls Out Effort Required

I wish I could say that I've given the kind of "balls out" effort that Gentry says is required of his team 100% of the time. I do my best, you know, but sometimes my fingers get tired and if I'm honest, my effort can be lacking.

Here's a snapshot of my notes during today's highly intense and rather long practice session:

Intense. Set screens harder. Deny lanes. We've got to turn it up. Blue collared desperate is the only way we're going to win.

It was that kind of day.

The kind where the language would make Katy Perry's uptight censors turn as red as Elmo. The kind where Robin Lopez and Gani Lawal exchanged some shoves (in the course of play) and glares (after). The kind of practice that puts meaning behind the coach's words when he says, "We're going to play as hard as hell."

Jason Richardson taking a full-on charge from giant Garret Siler on one end and getting leveled by a Siler screen on the other. Hard, physical play. That's what was earning praise today.

In other words, good stuff, although Gentry doesn't want to have go this way.

Gentry made a point of saying that he's never had to coach effort since he's been here and he's not about the start now. He clearly wasn't pleased with what he was seeing at one point and let that be known.

"I'm not even happy that I have to mention that (effort). That's not something that we have to talk about around here," Gentry said after practice. "That's not anything that's going to be able to seep into our culture here."

Defensive game plan

The focus for this season defensively is going to be taking teams out of their offense. That means getting into the passing lanes, pressuring the ball, occasionally employing the full court press and generally playing aggressive on that end of the floor.

"Most offenses are initiated with a guard-to-wing pass and so we have to be able to take that away and then we have to keep the ball out of the painted area. If we have to front, we will, and three-quarter and things like that. We just have to be more attentive to the little bitty things as far as disrupting offenses," Coach said.

Overall, Gentry said he's not disappointed, but instead of playing "hard as heck" 90% of the time, he's looking for 100%, "We're deep enough that we don't need to pace ourselves."

Steve Nash looks at the defense and talks about needing time to get used to each other. "We're starting from scratch again with all the new guys. Our defense, we're not the biggest team, so it's built on cohesion and understanding and we've got to find that if we're going to be a really good defensive team."

Josh Childress agreed. He pulled up the old "playing on a string" cliche to talk about the team's defensive potential.

"I think if we really concentrate and focus on coach's principles, we'll be a good defensive team. It's just a matter of everybody getting on a string. Everybody helping when the other person is out of position. It comes with time. Slowly but surely we're getting there."

Star-divide

Other notes:

  • Rebounding is still going to be an issue and the wings and bigs are going to have to step up according to Gentry. However, he's not been all the displeased with it so far in the preseason, calling the Toronto game a "throw away" and thinking the team played fairly well when the main guys were in at Sacramento and against Dallas.
  • Gentry considers the Suns different from all the NBA teams because they don't walk the ball up the court. For that reason, the Suns need to be in great shape. "I don't think we're there yet, but we've still got two weeks to get there. But we have to be a real physically fit team to be able to take advantage of the things we do in the fourth quarter."
  • According to Gentry, Goran has a little bit of a leg injury and has tired legs after not taking off any time this summer, but coach thinks he'll be fine. "I'm not worried about him, I'm really not."
  • Grant Hill rolled his ankle a bit and didn't practice today. It was an excuse Gentry used to keep him out of practice, which is hard to do.
  • Nash thinks the team is improving, but has a long way to go. Like last year, he sees the team building and improving throughout the season.

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by 8472species on Oct 11, 2010 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

ball

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Oct 11, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions  

This team has so many weapons! Can't wait for the season to start.

Great to hear all this intensity at practice.

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by RGreyslak on Oct 11, 2010 2:12 PM MST reply actions  

Love it

This is what I like to hear! Now lets see them bring this mentality into tomorrows game.

by AcucracK on Oct 11, 2010 2:33 PM MST reply actions  

tomorrows game is less important the Oct 26 and forward

however, YES it would be nice to see it in tomorrows game.

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 11, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

True

Just want to see it put into these early games so it becomes a habit for the regular season.

by AcucracK on Oct 11, 2010 7:13 PM MST up reply actions  

just once..

wouldn’t it be nice to have a training camp where we weren’t starting from square one, but instead building on the previous year’s success with essentially the same roster? So much effort lost just getting everyone on the same page again…

sigh…crazy talk, I know…

by Fritzy on Oct 11, 2010 2:44 PM MST reply actions  

With free-agency and the influence agents peddle...

Those times are pretty much gone for most teams…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Oct 11, 2010 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree

teams are always adding someone but the Suns have replaced their entire roster minus Nash and Hill in the last three years.

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by Seth Pollack on Oct 11, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah it's depressing.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Oct 11, 2010 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

With the notable exception of letting Amare go...

I don’t really have much of a problem with making changes in recent years.

Having Marcus Banks, Eric Piatkowski, Pat Burke and Jumaine Jones on the bench, now THAT was depressing.

by suns68 on Oct 11, 2010 4:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

games against the Jazz

Say…how much of a test will the Utah Jazz be? They’re physical and have a great coach, but lost Carlos Boozer. If they’re not very good, I’m sorry there have to be two preseason games against them. Better to be tested against good competition.

by 8472species on Oct 11, 2010 3:03 PM MST reply actions  

I think the Jazz will be just as tough...

Trading Boozer for Jefferson is a wash in my mind…I still see them as a 50 win team…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Oct 11, 2010 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Well they're better than Sacramento and Toronto

And they’re going to make the playoffs, so they should be a good test for us. Our rebounding will definitely be a problem against an Al Jefferson/Milsap/AK frontcourt.

by hcblankscreen on Oct 11, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually you mad a good point about the rebounding battle..

Big physical teams like the Jazz are going to give us problems, no doubt…the point is we have to produce damage control on the boards…In other words, we can’t get beat with a 20 board differential…it’s got be less than 5 if we lose the battle…It’s just something we will have to work hard at…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Oct 11, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Big Al > Boozer

I think the Jazz essentially trading Boozer for Al Jefferson is going to be an upgrade for them this season. Jazz will be pretty good as they always are …

It's not how you play the game it's how you win it

by Johnny Ryall on Oct 11, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure.

Big Al might be a better individual player, but I don’t think he’s a better fit in that system.

I spend some time on Canis Hoopus, and the T’Wolves fans always talk about what a black hole Al is. If he gets the ball in the post, it doesn’t come back out. Passing was one of Boozers greatest assets in that system. The Jazz have as many questions as any team in the West right now.

by Omaha Sun on Oct 11, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

i like the way thisb sounds

After almost a decade where our best player is a canadian, its nice to see gentry talking about aggressive, old school physicality. I don’t want to knock Nash too much, I probably love him more than a man should love another man, but our neighbors to the north are known for their good nature, not their aggressiveness. Nash’s good natured (soft) play style has defined the Suns for a while and, I believe, has been limited us in the last few seasons. Hopefully Hill, Fropez,

by GDD on Oct 11, 2010 3:33 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

accidently submitted this before i was done. . .

J-Chill and Dudz can keep up the defensive intensity while our offense does what they do best. isn’t that scrappy, physcal defense the only thing that seperates the suns from the great championship run and gun teams of the past?

Either way, this can only be percieved as a positive. We don’t need to replace amares 20 pts a night if we take away 20 of our adversary’s pts every time we step on the floor.

by GDD on Oct 11, 2010 3:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

how about Nash playing dirtier?

John Stockton, the point guard Nash is most compared to, was known for playing dirty when the referees weren’t looking. What if Nash started playing dirtier? Although in an era when butt-slapping gets a T, dirty play is harder.

by 8472species on Oct 11, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

impossible, he is from canada

Have you ever talked to a canadian? With the exception of some french canadians, they are the worlds most kind and polite people. Although I do hear nash talks shit on the floor, maybe he can be molded into a meaner player.

by GDD on Oct 11, 2010 4:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

That would be helpful.

by 8472species on Oct 11, 2010 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Please.

Nash is an accomplished hockey and soccer player, and I think he’s proven his toughness. Playing physical would slow him down, and speed is our friend.
     I recall a game two years ago against Houston, where we left Yao Ming in the backcourt, panting with his hands on his knees. We need to do that to entire teams this year.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
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by haremoor on Oct 11, 2010 5:03 PM MST up reply actions  

he is plenty tough

There is a difference between toughness and aggressiveness. Nash is for sure tough, he arguably has his finest moment when he is tasting his own blood, but is he mean and aggressive defensively?

His go to on D is to take a charge. Not that I think that is a bad thing, but its pretty representative of his game on D.

by GDD on Oct 11, 2010 5:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, it seems that the Suns may have a new defensive focus on steals.

I’d rather see Nash be aggressive in that way rather than sending him out there to duke it out with bigger guys, as some have suggested. If we’re going to be aggressive, we should be aggressive doing the things that we do better than other teams – wanting Nash to start playing dirty ala’ Stockton isn’t a winning formula.
     Nash is one of the smartest players in the game, and he’s not afraid of anything. I trust him to figure it out.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Oct 11, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

IMO, taking a chage is one of the toughest defensive plays you can make.

Taking a legitimate charge that is. Stepping in front of a 230 lb man running at full speed and letting him level you seems like a pretty good display of toughness to me.

by Omaha Sun on Oct 11, 2010 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Have you ever talked to a canadian? With the exception of some french canadians, they are the worlds most kind and polite people.

stereotype (noun): a set of inaccurate, simplistic generalizations about a group that allows others to categorize them and treat them accordingly.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man."
~The Dude, AKA His Dudeness, Duder or El Duderino

by East Bay Ray on Oct 11, 2010 8:13 PM MST up reply actions  

cool

thanks for that

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 11, 2010 9:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I work remotely with a lot of Canadians

Got to stick up for them. Today is their Thanksgiving Day. And, it’s pretty silly to say all Canadians are soft. Hockey is about as popular in Canada as football, basketball and baseball combined are here, and hockey is in no way a soft game. Those guys beat the crap out of each other.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man."
~The Dude, AKA His Dudeness, Duder or El Duderino

by East Bay Ray on Oct 11, 2010 9:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I had a passing interest in hockey, but it died when I learned about all the condoned fighting.

by 8472species on Oct 11, 2010 10:53 PM MST up reply actions  

You might be interested in the MMA or the WEC...

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 12, 2010 6:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Putting the Spurs away with one eye sealed shut, popping his nose back into place and then sinking two freethrows…

Maybe if the guy chewed his own arm off people would stop calling him soft.

"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic

by RMason on Oct 11, 2010 6:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

+ a bunch

Nice word picture there.

by suns68 on Oct 11, 2010 7:05 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Nash made a game-winner with one eye?

I’m not calling him soft. I’m calling him “not nasty.”

by 8472species on Oct 11, 2010 7:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Love it

Our guys can’t be labeled soft anymore – last year they proved that with their scrappiness. Even Frye is losing the rep as a ‘soft’ guy – he’s playing stronger D and starting to take the ball to the hole when opportune, I like it a lot.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 11, 2010 4:21 PM MST reply actions  

i dont know about finishing at the rim. . .

But he let the monster out a little last year and acted aggressivly

by GDD on Oct 11, 2010 5:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Additional thoughts

I forgot to add this observation about the guard spot.

Since the games and practices have become more organized, it seems that Zabian Dowdell’s experience is paying off and in my mind he’s pulled ahead of Janning in the race for that final spot.

I still like Matt but he might need to do that Zabian did and play overseas for a few years to just get more time under his belt.

Chucky Atkins (as expected) was waived today.

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by Seth Pollack on Oct 11, 2010 4:59 PM MST reply actions  

lol yeah

interesting that Dowdell is playing well enough to beat out the well-liked Janning for the 14th roster spot.

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 11, 2010 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

OK.

I thought you were referring to Atkins getting cut. I blame Monkey.

by Omaha Sun on Oct 11, 2010 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Scott's gonna be upset

If memory serves correctly, he’s been predicting great things from Janning.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man."
~The Dude, AKA His Dudeness, Duder or El Duderino

by East Bay Ray on Oct 11, 2010 8:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I simply can't believe

That anyone put Nash and soft in the same sentence.

The guy’s been playing with back pain and hip impingements for years. He played with blood running down his face until officials forced him off the court.

Last year, Manu broke his nose and it wrecked his post-season, Nash broke his, twisted it back into place and kept playing, and if I recall correctly, did it without even picking up his dribble.

Soft? Get real.

by suns68 on Oct 11, 2010 5:25 PM MST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

There's two kinds of tough

There’s Nash-tough which is the kind where you can take a blow and then there’s Kevin Garnet-tough where you dish it out.

No one could deny Nash’s ability to take a hit and keep coming but he’s not the kind of player who’s going to inflict damage. Not intentionally, anyway.

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by Seth Pollack on Oct 11, 2010 7:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Much as I'd love to see Nash clothesline Kobe

I think Nash’s best punch is the mental blow. Taking the other guy’s shot and throwing it back in his face with the quality of his play. I think that takes more out of an opponent than a push or an elbow.

by suns68 on Oct 11, 2010 8:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Kevin Garnett tough

Where you dish it out against dudes that are half your size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvCyZB1n6lE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YysS4vCKis
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by hcblankscreen on Oct 11, 2010 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

This is great news to me. It’s a good thing that Dudley got into better shape.

I have a feeling and hope that we will play like the Rockets last year as far as effort, hustle and hard work go. Those guys didn’t have one big player yet they still won 41 games. I know we won all 4 times against them last year, but all 4 games went down to the wire. I hated playing them because I knew they would be tough. That’s what I hope we are this season. I want teams to hate to have to play us because it means they have to work extra hard.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Oct 11, 2010 7:00 PM MST reply actions  

Hey, there’s plenty of tough, nasty, dirty Canadians too, just the same as there are Americans….the thing about Nash is he’s tough AND classy, which is a little more rare…

by norton powerhorne on Oct 11, 2010 7:27 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, those "soft", "polite" Canadians

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man."
~The Dude, AKA His Dudeness, Duder or El Duderino

by East Bay Ray on Oct 11, 2010 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

You may over estimate Utah

Well, Al Jefferson is good offensively, but I heard that he is soft defensively.
I wonder why the Timberwolves lost so many games— they don’t look so bad in the Preseason.

Could Al Jefferson have anything to do with it?

by Eagle Sun on Oct 11, 2010 9:45 PM MST reply actions  

They don’t have Matthews and Korver anymore either. Plus, Okur is still hurt.

Raja Bell is there starting SG and he didn’t even play last season. They’re over estimating Utah. Team still can’t take them too lightly though. Williams is pretty darn good.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Oct 11, 2010 10:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Siler

You mentioned Garrett Siler knocking down Jason Richardson. How’s Siler doing? Does he have any chance of making the team, or is it only a matter of time until he gets cut?

by 8472species on Oct 11, 2010 11:01 PM MST reply actions  

I think they mean to sign him as a “punching bag” for Robin.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Oct 11, 2010 11:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I really have no idea

at this point…obviously, if Dampier signs then Siler is probably out. If no Dampier then it’s a maybe. Coro reported that he’s lost 19 pounds since training camp and from the practice we were allowed to watch yesterday, he looked pretty good (for what he is).

For all the talk about lack of size, if Dampier doesn’t come you could infer that they would keep Siler but this is a team that’s always leaned towards skill over size. But then again, you say “this is a team” you are now talking about Blanks and Babby who are new.

So, bottom line? I have no idea.

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by Seth Pollack on Oct 12, 2010 7:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Losing 19 pounds in a month or less sounds quite impressive.

by 8472species on Oct 12, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Must be all those running drills. The players have said that it’s been a tough month.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Oct 12, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

my guess is that if Dampier signs, Jones goes, and Siler becomes a project

It’s hard to turn down that kind of size, especially when you don’t have much to begin with. Better to keep it in D League, than to let some other team have it.

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by Pliny the Elder on Oct 12, 2010 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

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