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Kings Thump Suns in Preseason Opener, 109-95

The good news is this game, like the rest of the preseason, means nothing. Nothing at all. The bad news is the Phoenix Suns were outscored by 22 points in the second half by the Sacramento Kings en route to a 109-95 defeat.

Steve Nash and Grant Hill combined to play 8 minutes, while Gani Lawal and Channing Frye did not play at all. 

If you are pushing the panic button, I recommend Valium, yoga, or some Zen breathing exercises.

The Suns trotted out a lineup of Nash, Richardson, Lopez, Turkoglu and Hill. The starting unit, along with Josh Childress, Hakim Warrick, and Dwayne Jones, jumped out to a an 11 point lead and appeared in total command of the game until the end of the quarter, as the Suns amassed 6 turnovers. Still, they held on to a 31-26 lead.

Nash and Hill would not return for the rest of the game. But Jason Richardson added 8 points and Robin Lopez 5 in the second to lead the Suns to a 58-51 halftime lead. Cold shooting, turnovers and fouls plagued the Suns in the third, as the Kings went on a 14-4 run and eventually tied the game up going into the fourth quarter.

To summarize things quickly and easily, the Suns sounded like they were tired in the final 12 minutes as Tyreke Evans scored 10 points during a 20-6 that put the Kings up for good. 

Star-divide

To emphasize once again, this was a preseason game. Still, there were some areas of concern, if you want to get concerned over an early October contest:

  • The Suns committed 23 turnovers resulting in 25 King points.
  • The Suns were out-rebounded 47-36.
  • The Suns shot 2-16 from 3-point range.
  • Hedo Turkoglu went 0-5 from the field in 16 minutes of play.
  • Goran Dragic committed 6 turnovers in 25 minutes, dished out 1 (one) assist and logged a -24.
  • The Suns scored 6 fast break points.
  • The Suns allowed 50 points in the paint.

Ugly.

 

Of course there were bright spots:

  • Robin Lopez played 31 minutes, scored 15, added 6 boards and 2 blocks while committing only 2 fouls. The fact that he produced without pain (or looking as though he was in pain) is a major victory.
  • Jason Richardson went for 17 and 5 and shot just over 50% from the field (6-11).
  • Josh Childress played efficiently, scoring 6 points, grabbing 5 rebounds and dishing 3 assists and adding a steal in 19 minutes of play.
  • Jared Dudley went 5-8 from the field for 13 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 blocks.
  • Matt Janning sounded as if he played a fairly aggressive game, adding 8 points in 21 minutes.

Commentary:

I won't insult anyone's intelligence here by jumping to any insane conclusions. This game was full of auditions (Dwayne Jones and Chucky Atkins playing 17 minutes); meanwhile, some needed inside help in the form of Garret Siler and Gani Lawal did not play at all. My master-of-the-obvious skills tell me there is a game in Vancouver tomorrow and, as we all know, this preseason is a grand experiment that will determine the regular season rotation (at the outset only, of course), and running minutes off the bodies of Steve Nash and 38 year old Grant Hill makes no sense at all.

It is a bit disturbing, though, to see our Phoenix Suns shoot 2-16 from beyond the arc and get crushed in rebounding differential, but as I noted above, I think we were dealing with some tired legs and lack of dirtworkers. Expect less JRich tomorrow, more of Canada's favorite son, old man Hill, and the beast of Lawal to be unveiled.

Rest soundly, Suns fans. We'll catch you here tomorrow.

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im thinking they are auditioning guys

im thinking they have a game tomorrow night and they want a specific rotation and want certain guys playing certain minutes, etc.

obviously i didnt watch this game, but the points in the paint was ridiculous and I think Gani could have helped a lot.

Still its not like he’s 38 and couldnt have put in 15 minutes….so it goes back to my previous statements. tonight was Dwayne and Robin and Earl’s night….maybe Gentry will comment

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by Wil Cantrell on Oct 5, 2010 11:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, that makes sense

Better to give guys meaningful minutes rather than trying to fit them all into every game. I do think Earl could have done better if he were to get some minutes within the flow of the game and not just thrown in at the end.

by hcblankscreen on Oct 6, 2010 12:27 AM MST up reply actions  

well, the Suns played 13 guys by halftime

so it’s not like Gentry tightened his rotation. He must have had a plan to save Nash, Hill and Lawal for game 2 on a back-to-back

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 6, 2010 6:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Not sure

if we will see much from him…I think the Suns realize he’s not going to do much this season and there are a lot of other priorities before him.

Guessing they wanted to see how things looked w/ Jones at center and get a good look at the Hedo/Hakim PF.

Last year the preseason word was “work in progress”. This year it’s “experiment”

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by Seth Pollack on Oct 6, 2010 7:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Better experimentation than alchemy...

I think we’ll figure this out by the Season opener..

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Oct 6, 2010 9:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Hmmm...interesting.

While I understand he’s buried in the depth chart…technically…The guy has shown nothing but promise in both college and his stint in the summer league. He out-shined nearly everyone else on the summer league roster, and looked to be one of the true bright spots out of the rookies (along with Reynolds and Janning). In fact, Lawal did enough to make me think of him as already being NBA ready, in contrast to someone like Earl who still seems completely befuddled going into his second year.

I hope the Suns do give him a legit shot to break the rotation…games are won when the best players are on the court, and from what I’ve seen he at least deserves a chance to prove his worth. Let’s hope he gets that shot tonight.

by 7footer on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

He's also

shown in practice that he has a LOT to learn about playing at the NBA level…out of position, how to defend, etc. Give him time.

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by Seth Pollack on Oct 6, 2010 1:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Interview?

Does anybody know if there were interviews after the game and if so, where to find them? I’d love to know what Gentry had to say.

by rfs17 on Oct 6, 2010 4:18 AM MST reply actions  

Jones looks like a keeper. Dude rebounds like a BEAST.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Oct 6, 2010 8:23 AM MST reply actions  

He always dominated the boards in the D-League.

I think that’s why we signed him last year.

Formerly known as NashMV3 of BSotS, if anyone even remembers.

Nash is my mancrush. But Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by EricSun89 on Oct 6, 2010 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

yet the Sac reporter

thought Jones did poorly on the boards (as with all the other Suns)

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 6, 2010 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Clark

uneventful minutes. I think this team will miss Lou more than Amare, just IMO.

by Grockcubs on Oct 6, 2010 8:43 AM MST reply actions  

+1

Dudley + Lou = a lot of defensive energy.

Where’s it coming from this year? Our bench got dominated.

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

I like those 3

However Lopez is a starter and Lou brought untangibles that Warrick doesn’t bring. That is my beef: Lou stays, no Warrick.
 I still like this squad, I just think Lou fit better.

by Grockcubs on Oct 6, 2010 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I hear you.

I feel the same way, but I’m waiting until at least December before I give any verdicts.

"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic

by RMason on Oct 6, 2010 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I wish we had signed Lou instead of Warwick

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Oct 6, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

First game..Let's give it some time...

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Oct 6, 2010 9:03 AM MST reply actions  

Goran had 6 Turnovers?!

WHERE’S THE PANIC BUTTON???!!!
Sorry. Had to get that out of my system.. That did worry me a little bit..

Seriously though, I know it’s only preseason, but this doesn’t leave me with the best feeling in my stomach. And, my mom told me that women should always trust our gut instincts because we’re always right.

Im not just basing this off of a preseason game, but I don’t want to go into this season too optimistic. That way, I will either be surprised if we do really well, or, I won’t be depressed if we don’t end up being very good.
At least basketball is on again and I would rather watch the Suns not play a great game than not watch any game at all.

"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Oct 6, 2010 9:24 AM MST reply actions  

Without seeing the game at all

I would blame Goran for the loss, if anyone deserves blame. He used 19 possessions that only created 12 total points. That’s beyond horrible.

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

where'd you get that number?
He used 19 possessions that only created 12 total points

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 6, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

From the box score

10 points + 1 assist = 12 points.
12 shot attempts + 1 assist + 6 turnovers = 19 possessions.

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe he was just nervous or something...?

Sometimes people just have bad games…?

Meh.. Im going to try and not worry too much about this. Instead, I am going to try and forget that this game happened, focus on tonight’s game, and hope for improvement..
I mean, Steve and Grant only played around five minutes which is completely unrealistic for a regular game.. Maybe Goran was just unprepared to lead for that amount of time…?
I am out of excuses. They’ll play better tonight,

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Goran Dragic is the name."

by Dragic_is_Magic on Oct 6, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

that only counts in context

of all the other players. True, he had a bad game. But not likely as horrible as it looks if you put in context of everyone else on the floor.

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 6, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, it's possible

that he made half a dozen assist passes that guys just didn’t finish… but I doubt it. We have a lot of guys who are good shooters.

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Point taken, but...

…that just means that he used more possessions that didn’t result in scores.

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah

damn Dragic passing to open 3-pt shooters!

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 6, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions  

A dick move on his part.

"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic

by RMason on Oct 6, 2010 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Goran vs. Beno

Goran played 25 minutes and was -24. Beno Udrih played 25 minutes and was +23. Did Beno lay the Slovenian smackdown on Goran?

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by East Bay Ray on Oct 6, 2010 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Battlle of the Balkans went the way of Beno Boy, this time...

Hopefully, Goran will be ready for round two…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Oct 6, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

I think this was round 2.

The Slovenian National team was round 1. Goran definitely took that.

by Omaha Sun on Oct 6, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Well,

Lakavic and Goran both started. Beno wanted to start. I’d say Goran and Jaka both beat him.

by Omaha Sun on Oct 6, 2010 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Suns

No big deal. All the best teams do shitty in the preseason anyways

by Jeffrey Thompson on Oct 6, 2010 9:34 AM MST reply actions  

Our team sucks

I officially quit being a Suns fan after last night’s shameful game.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 6, 2010 9:51 AM MST reply actions  

Okay

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Oct 6, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter - it's gonna be all Kings, Wolves, and Wizards this year, anyway.

We’re Doooooooooooooooooooooooomed.

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by haremoor on Oct 6, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

you’re forgetting the Clippers

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Oct 6, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Oct 6, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Joing the Kings' bandwagon

The only way for them is up and although the Suns are better right night now, the only way is down.

by TriggaMike13 on Oct 6, 2010 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

wow

One meaningless preseason game an the Kings will run the West.

by Grockcubs on Oct 6, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

my two cents
The Suns shot 2-16 from 3-point range.
Hedo Turkoglu went 0-5 from the field in 16 minutes of play.
Goran Dragic committed 6 turnovers in 25 minutes, dished out 1 (one) assist and logged a -24.
The Suns scored 6 fast break points.

This only happens once in a blue-moon with the suns. They will get better, and don’t expect them to shoot that poorly from behind the line very often.

by Gildo on Oct 6, 2010 2:53 PM MST reply actions  

Actually, I expect that to continue some

without Amare drawing double teams that open shooters up

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

in 2005-06

the Suns shot 39.9% from 3 pt land, without ANY low-post scoring. Don’t underestimate the Suns offense.

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 6, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, and they were open because they were in transition

in the 7SOL system. Are they going back to that system?

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

7SOL is the foundation of the current system, but now with Gentry there are other things emphasized besides running and shooting.

The players are still coached to shoot whenever they’re open, unless their names are Earl or Jarron.

"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic

by RMason on Oct 6, 2010 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting logic.

However, it seems to me that if the Suns’ trademark 3 point shooting was a result of Amare being double-teamed, then Amare would have averaged more than 1.3 apg for his career.

More realistically, the Suns’ 3 point shooting is a result of good spacing, solid rythym, and of course Steve.

"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
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by RMason on Oct 6, 2010 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

No, because he was doubled when he didn't have the ball

Other teams routinely trapped the Nash-Stoudemire pick-n-rolls or at least rolled a defender into the lane and tried to rotate.

So the assist passes all went to Nash, or in some cases, the swingman on the outside.

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Yet as Alex pointed out

The ‘05/’06 team didn’t miss a beat without Amare, proving that there was little relation between Amare’s presence and the team’s outside shooting.

"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
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by RMason on Oct 6, 2010 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, but that team didn't feature the pick n roll

as its primary offensive weapon. The primary offense for that team was jumpers in transition.

I seriously doubt that jumpers in transition will be our 1st offensive option this year, if only because we don’t have Shawn Marion and Kurt Thomas to sweep the boards, allowing all three other guys to release. You can’t gang rebound and play 7SOL at the same time.

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 5:02 PM MST up reply actions  

oy

this is an unwinnable argument until the team actually plays a statistically relevant number of regular-season games.

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by Alex Laugan on Oct 6, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Vancouver tomorrow? Was that a joke?

I was at the game and thought it clearly turned on rebounding. The Kings, though short handed in the frontcourt (Dalmbert, Whiteside and Jackson did not play due to minor injuries) simply dominated in that area. When the game started the Kings trotted out a lineup designed to more or less match up with the Suns strengths. When they went to their own strengths they slowly puled away, then put it away.
Anyone else notice Tiny Gallon was released by the Bucks?

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 3:48 PM MST reply actions  

Great screenname friend

and thanks for the firsthand observations. I assume you are from Sactown Royalty or some other kings Blog?

by jc79 on Oct 6, 2010 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Not much of a fan of Tiny...

or anyone on that Oklahoma team for that matter.

by Omaha Sun on Oct 6, 2010 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

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