More Silly Steve Nash Trade Speculation And Junk
by Seth Pollack on Nov 9, 2010 11:35 AM MST
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PrintIs it reasonable for NBA observers to ponder what the Phoenix Suns might or might not do with Steve Nash before the trade deadline? Of course. That's normal. It happens all the time with folk throwing "stuff" against the wall. It's a fun pastime in NBA writing and pundit circles and certainly something we've been known to partake in here, as well.
And yet, doesn't it just chap your hide (hey, East Coast fellers, that's how we talk 'round yonder here parts) when you read stuff like this:
Dealing Nash unthinkable? Suns shouldn't close any doors | NBA.com
For a franchise that doesn't seem willing (or able?) to spend money on big-ticket free agents, the only way to rebuild is through the Draft or with promising young players. The only way to do that is to trade an asset. Do the Suns keep Nash around for sentimental reasons and to win 45-50 games (which takes them out of the Draft lottery) and play a round or two in the playoffs? Or do they trade him and get something in return before it's too late?
It does me. Consider my hide thoroughly chapped.
And yes, I am open to hearing from loyal readers interested in coming over to rub cream on my chapped hide.
The problem here isn't the general idea that the Suns might be interested in trading Nash. Again, that's just normal speculation and we'll be hearing plenty of it between now and the NBA Trade Deadline (February 24, 3 p.m. EST).
The problem here is twofold.
First, the source. I know that the NBA has subcontracted with Turner Sports to run all their digital media properties, but a post like this on NBA.com that speculates and tosses around random ideas (and, in the process, insults the team and its fans) has a lot more weight to it than if it were on some blog.
Is this the kind of writing the league's official website is going to now get into simply because it attracts more eyeballs and generates more money? I hope not.
Second -- and this one is just a general response to all trade rumors -- can't we wait just a few more than seven games into the season before declaring which teams are dead? Do we really know for sure that the Lakers aren't going to suffer any key injuries? Is everyone absolutely certain that the Mavericks and Blazers and Spurs are going to be so much better than last season when they were all bounced from the playoffs?
So far, no one has published anything close to an actual trade rumor involving the Suns or Nash. No one claims to have heard about specific discussions. No one has cited sources. This is all just people talking about what they think the Suns should do based on seven games.
ESPN hyped up Ric Bucher's podcast chat in which he basically said the Suns suck so he thinks they should trade Nash. Totally his right to say that, but to hype it as a "Trade Rumor"? That's just nonsense.
But that's the media world we live in, where independent-minded blogs have become the voice of sanity and reason while the the "big media" and the league itself is left to gin up random ideas because talking about the game itself isn't enough.
And by the way, Mr. Powell, if Nash going to a contending team is justification for the Suns trading him, why on Earth would you list the Knicks? Do you really think New York has enough assets to both trade for Nash and Melo?
Of course, Dragic is playing his ass off right now which may or may not impact Nash trade rumors chatter (see what I did there with the speculation?)
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I'm combining Earl Barron and 'Ball' into'EBall' as the panacea for all problems.
EBall.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
I do it all the time
although i’m viscous on vowls…
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
viscous?
vowls? (although you probably meant that one…)
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
ha
no…I didn’t realize spell check was off, i shoulda known
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
Why, in God's nome, would YOU EVER turn spell check off?
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Maybe so he could read his own posts?
Spell check is like a translator for 2NASHTY.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 10, 2010 11:18 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah - gotta go fix my glass house. Some asshole threw a rock...
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
by haremoor on Nov 11, 2010 8:26 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I loled when I read the part about Nash playing well off the ball.
Extend J-Rich! He's one of the most underrated shooting guards in the game!
It caught my eye as well.
But I guess when you start by making up a story, you might as well make all of it up.
They can pry Steve Nash out of my cold, dead fingers.
Wait…
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
creaming your hide.....
that sounds like a job for scott howard
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
by 2NASHTY on Nov 9, 2010 12:20 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
And yes, I am open to hearing from loyal readers interested in coming over to rub cream on my chapped hide.
Yes, homoeroticism at it’s finest.
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by Genesius on Nov 9, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
have you seen
Scott and I in the same place at the same time???
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This is conspiracy...
The NBA wants the Nash-Amare-Dantoni brand of basketball to New York for maximum profit… Just look last year, at steve’s free-agency talk, new york knicks is the first franchise to be said…
The problem is the knicks are just a shame for a franchise… If the NBA wants to really make a lasting profit, they need to abolish that franchise and move the whole suns franchise away from the dessert…
The Suns franchise is in the desert, not the dessert.
by 8472species on Nov 9, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
If they were in a dessert, would it be a Sun-dae?
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Nov 9, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions 10 recs
I dub thee green.
Anyone wanna outpun this guy? I dare you to try.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
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Not going to try. He is a quantum physicist.
by Suns Fan For Life on Nov 9, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
I won't try right now, but I might this coming Pun-day.
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
please, that's enough PUNishment for one day!
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Nov 9, 2010 9:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually
move the whole suns franchise away from the dessert…
I think Ivan is saying that Garret Siler needs to lose weight.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
Why doesn't Siler just feast on croissants like our man Diaw?
Extend J-Rich! He's one of the most underrated shooting guards in the game!
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LOL
this pun-ny thread right here makes me lol here at work, and i can’t help commenting on it. Thank God for desserts!
Speaking of desserts...
I want some Porto’s right now…
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Wait, wait...
Porto’s in Arizona?
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I dunno.
But there’s a Porto’s in Burbank! I had some at work today.
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Ah.
Another Angeleno-type. I’m going to have to figure out some kind of Suns-related LA hootenanny.
And for you non-Angeleno types. Portos = bomb.
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Burbank!
Chuck is from Burbank… yay.
Peyton Manning= Better.
by JesusNinja13 on Nov 10, 2010 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
This is awesome...
I’m gonna call Phoenix a dessert from now on…
i wouldn't be opposed to the suns trading him if they got multiple 1sts and some prospects but not too much on NY is intriguing...
MAYBE… randolph, felton, and a 1st
A trade I would be interested in is trading away some of our redundancy on this team… trade a wing for a big
no way
Randolph and Felton are no guarantee of winning any games, and NY has 0 first round picks to trade till 2016
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Like it matters?
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Indeed it does.
I usually am pretty good at that. I should have known as soon as I saw it was you that posted it.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anyone thinks Nash would have any special loyalty to Mike D’Antoni,why would he? D’Antoni ignored defense and never cultivated a bench; and D’Antoni led Suns teams to the WCF only one more time than Coach Gentry’s Suns.
As for wanting to play with Amare Stoudemire, Nash surely wants primarily to win, and is smart enough to know two things: that if he went to the Knicks, he would be forty by the time the Knicks got to where Nash’s Suns teams have been; and that Amare Stoudemire is on the Knicks only because he was greedy and because the Knicks couldn’t get LeBron James.
by 8472species on Nov 9, 2010 1:07 PM MST reply actions
I wouldn't mind seeing Nash moved to a contender.
But I don’t think that moving him would be better for the team. I would like to see Nash win a championship, and he still has plenty left to contribute to a championship team. Imagine the Heat with Nash as starting pg.
I agree
The silver lining in moving either Nash or Hill is giving two of the greatest players ever the chance to cement an already perfect resume.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Nash and Hill both know that's fleeting
there is 0 guarantee that another team would provide a better experience.
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Exactly. For instance
I don’t think either Nash or Hill would want to play 4th banana to LeBron, Wade and Bosh. Nash and Hill are not huge ego guys, but they do have pride, and I doubt they would want to be seen as being “along for the ride” with the 3-Headed Hype Monster, or whatever we’re calling the Miami guys.
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
I have this weird feeling that if Nash went to Miami
He’d be first banana. ESPN would flip, and if they win a championship everyone will claim Nash was the missing piece.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
If those guys accepted Nash as their leader, that is.
Bosh would be no problem, but I don’t see either LeBron or Wade as being willing to defer to Nash.
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
I don't think they'd have to accept Nash as a leader so much as know their role
Or know Nash’s role, and respect it. I don’t know much about Bosh but I’d say Nash/Wade/James would probably have as much ego as one Shaq or Stat. I know James did that goofy ESPN thng, but I blame them more than him and that’s not how he plays, anyway.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
About LeBron
Have you seen this?
“From Team USA coach Mike Krzyzewski to managing director Jerry Colangelo to NBA elders, the issue of James’ immaturity and downright disrespectfulness had become a consuming topic on the march to the Olympics. The course of history could’ve changed dramatically, because there was a real risk that James wouldn’t be brought to Beijing based on fears his monumental talents weren’t worth the daily grind of dealing with him.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Asisw0B7dxxElRE6rxc2p.C8vLYF?slug=aw-heatfreeagency071610
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
I wasn't talking about James' maturity level. That clearly isn't up to par.
And I don’t give this much article. Do you have something from the Cavs? It’s the Olympics, it’s supposed to be fun. Maybe a 21 year old should have taken it a little more seriously, but that still doesn’t say what he does on the court, during the game.
Did Jordan ever wear fangs during a Halloween game?
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
problem is..
the 4 top contenders, Miami, Boston, LA and the Hornets, have no use for him at all. Boston has a great point guard, (as does NO), Nash is a terrible fit for Miami, and the triangle offence and the make up of the Lakers essentially rules out Nash. The only two options I see, are a) Orlando as a contender that could use him and b) the Knicks as a non contender that would want him and provides some kind of coherent reason.
I don’t really see it. As it now stands the Suns are, imho, top 7-8 in the league. Moving to Orlando could be a bit of an upgrade but is no guarantee of a title and would be hugely disruptive and disloyal to the organization and the teammates he has built relationships with. So I don’t see it. Why not play this out with Grant Hill and some of the other classy guys on the team while winning a bunch of games, continuing to provide the most interesting team in pro BBAll, continuing to be part of the classiest organization, maintaining loyalty and continuing to be the underdog which, ultimately is the role he has assumed all his life and the role which he is best suited to?
Miami is a terrible fit
there is already not enuf “ball” to go around for Lebron, Wade and Bosh.. what would they do with another guy that flourishes when he has maximum control of the ball? yes, he would get a lot of assists, but Lebron and Wade would have to completely rewrite their style of play to work with him, which I see as pretty hugely unlikely.
The best point guard for Miami is currently
an ace guard defender, an outstanding open shooter, and someone who can run the “spare parts” reserves for 15 minutes per game.
Nash would absolutely excel at two of those three.
but be relegated to making the reserves look better?
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plus he's not the best catch-and-shooter in the world
he is better with the ball in his hands to create the spot-up shot on his own.
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Oh I agree.
I don’t think that situation is good enough for Nash, but Nash is more than good enough for that situation.
There is no guarantee for anyone winning it all this year
Not the Lakers, not the Heat, not the Celtics. If Nash were to go back to Dallas or Utah or Orlando, even if he were to come off the bench, it could be what gets any of those teams get over the hump.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Dallas and Utah have Kidd and Williams
I don’t see williams being traded for Nash. So then he goes to Utah to be a sub behind Williams?
Dallas has Kidd, so they trade Kidd for Nash? how do we want that? I suppose Nash for Rodrique B. plus something else (draft and players to make the money work) would work, but I am not sure they would do that, and then Nash has to play for Cuban?
The only contender I see is Orlando. Presumably, they would need to move Nelson, or else he would be p’ed off or we would be p’ed off. Could work…still think its unlikely.
No one here is accounting for the Canadian-ness. Selfish NBA superstars wouldn’t care if the money was right and the opporunity was even marginally better. Nash is the “anti-that”. He wouldn’t go, imho, unless there was something hugely “sensical” for him and the franchise and I don’t see a lot of those options out there.
They could trade for depth, why not?
Probably not Utah but I could see Cuban doing it. You’ve got Kidd in and when he’s not in, there’s Nash, and they can play together at least a few minutes a game.
I’m not saying it’ll happen. I seriously doubt it. But it’d work if someone tried. Whether or not Dallas, or another team, would win, well, we’d have to play the rest of the season to find that out.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
If Nash goes to Orlando, I guarantee he will start.
Especially if it means Nelson is part of the deal. I love Nash. He’s the reason I became a fan of the Suns, and basketball for that matter. I’d love to see him win a ring here, but if he gets traded to a contender and manages to bring in some solid players/picks for this team, I say do it.
Orlando and Atlanta are probably the 2 best options for Nash in terms of play style and tempo. Both teams are good enough defensively to “hide” Nash’s weak defense. Both teams need a PG like Nash to run the show. Their offenses sometimes get stagnant because they run too much isolation for their star players. Nash will run a balanced offense and he’s a huge threat who can pass and shoot like no other player in the league. No idiot would dare leave Nash open.
Extend J-Rich! He's one of the most underrated shooting guards in the game!
I like the Atlanta option. I didn't even think of them when I posted any of my previous comments
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I read the "article" on NBA.com.
It made some sense. I don’t want Marvin Williams though. Josh Smith, maybe.
Extend J-Rich! He's one of the most underrated shooting guards in the game!
Josh Smith would be cool
I know a lot of people around here like him and he’s got a lot of great moves. Block shot master.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
great for Orlando.
why would the suns do that?
i just read it on twitter
this guy is asking hill if it is true. but hill just don’t answer it.
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why would he?
that is ridiculous on any many levels
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Yeah...it's probably hard to answer a question...
When your mouth is filled with throw-up…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Yeah, they got burned on that signing.
Paid him 75 mil to break his ankle three times?
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Grant Hill = worth more with three broken ankles
Then Rashard Lewis with two functional ones.
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by RMason on Nov 9, 2010 4:38 PM MST up reply actions 9 recs
Rec'd. I love it!
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I turn thee green!
Extend J-Rich! He's one of the most underrated shooting guards in the game!
Exactly how many recs
will turn a comment green? 4? 5? 6?? 80 million?
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Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Five I think
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Ah, okay.
Because on other blogs I see green comments with only 2 or 3 recs.
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Lower standards :D
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
That I don't know
I’d assume so, though.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Number of recs to go green
It’s a mysterious SBNation algorithm based on the number of recs doled out on the regular. It used to only take 3 to turn comments green here at BSOTS. Now it’s 5. I’m not sure if if continues to go up, but if you go to other sites (BlazersEdge comes to mind), you’ll see that articles and comments routinely get Recs in the 10s and 20s.
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it's a setting
that certain people with special powers control
baahaawaaa </evil laugh>
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 10, 2010 7:23 AM MST up reply actions
Oh Great...
Just we need. One more secret poer for David Stern to wield over us.
You ARE talking about Stern the great and powerful, right?
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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 10, 2010 9:27 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Lewis is a fan of Hill
but I won’t unrec it. haha
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by Christian_33 on Nov 10, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
Someone is going to murder his father and marry his mother?
Free FreeBradshaw!
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Murder his father and eat his children.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
And Greek.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sleep with his mother...
murder his/her children, gouge his eyes out.
You’re welcome as I just summarized any Greek tragedy you might ever need to read. They’re like fucking mad libs parent-child evil.
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No way
There is not a snowballs chance in hell that Sarver trades Nash back to Dallas and deals with Cuban. I have heard that Sarver will not deal with Cuban under any circumstances whatsoever, and to trade Nash back to Dallas a rival would be absolutely ludicrous. Only way I would do is if Nash himself asked for it. I want to see him and Hill win a ring, regardless of who its with. Yes even the Lakers……
haha, nice
I didn’t know that about Sarver. The thing about Dallas though is that Nash only really has a year or two left, and if we DID trade him, we’d be conceding our season anyway and raising a white rebuilding flag. So if Dallas offers up some juicy choice cuts, and Sarver decides to deal, the rivalry wouldn’t matter. That kind of thing shouldn’t factor in.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
if the season turns out to be a disaster then
I like the idea of Nash going to ATL we get back Josh Smith, trade Grant Hill and Earl Clark to Orlando and get back Brandon Bass and Daniel Orton.
Dragic
Richardson
Josh Smith
Brandon Bass
Lopez
Dudley & Childress are interchangeable 6th man and can rotate between 2 & 3.
I just remembered we have Hedo and that albatross of a contract, man I wonder if Orlando would take him back too….
Sources please
There is not a snowballs chance in hell that Sarver trades Nash back to Dallas and deals with Cuban. I have heard that Sarver will not deal with Cuban under any circumstances whatsoever,
Otherwise, you know, well… you’ve just done the same thing that everyone in this thread is excoriating.
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Talk radio sources, no links or articles....
I heard it on Az talk radio, Gambo and Ash. Not to say they have a whole lot of creditability but it came up when the FO was trying to find a taker for Shaq. He wanted to play in Dallas but Gambo and Ash mentioned that Sarver wont deal with Cuban.
nash would fit in orlando and atlanta for true title contenders...
he would certainly make NY a 2nd-tier team if they didn’t lose gallo in the deal
I disagree about Miami
Nash would amplify what Wade, LeBron, and Bosh do. They don’t need a scorer and LeBron and Wade provide plenty of perimeter defense.
I didn’t suggest that the trade was a good idea for the Suns. But if Nash decided to leave or the team decided to move him, I would hope that it was to a contender. Nash has been plenty loyal to PHX in my opinion. If he left tomorrow for Miami, I’d cheer him on to the finals.
Wade and/or Bron need the ball. Steve needs the ball.
Wade can function more as a scorer/slasher/shooter if LeBron handles the ball, but when you ask both Wade and Bron to play off the ball it totally takes away from whart makes them the best players in the game.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It sounds like you just said that
A – New Orleans is a top 4 team.
B – There isn’t a single team in the NBA that would significantly increase their chances of winning a title by adding Nash. Why do you want to keep him then? Not exactly a ringing endorsement that Nash is a great player if nobody wants him because he’s not a difference maker/upgrade.
So the Suns shouldn’t trade Nash because he’s too valuable and classy and what not plus nobody would want him because he’s garbage or not a good fit or can’t run an offense with three sides?
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 9, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
no I said...
that while Nash is great, he isn’t a great fit on the current roster of contending teams. And while I could see him on Miami I suppose, its a) not his style and b) how does that work with salaries? who do they give back to make the salary structure work? off the top of my head, I can’t think of anyone as all the top salaries are for untouchables Wade/lebron/Bosh. Maybe Miller plus Haslem plus Jones, plus, plus……
Don’t see it. They have too many stars already, they need more niche players
Isn't that assuming
A) Nash can’t make an adjustment
B) Coach can’t make an adjustment
C) Players on other team can’t make an adjustment
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
didn't we assume all those things
when we got shaq?
I'm the only person in the world that thought the Shaq trade was a good idea
So I’m not the one to ask.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I thought it was a good idea
It was the Terry Porter experiment that made it look like a bad idea. After Gentry took over, things started to roll and we might’ve made the playoffs if Amare hadn’t gotten hurt.
Terry Porter wasn't such a hot idea
At the time it seemed like the logic was that everyone loved him and he had been a fan favorite in Portland as a player.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I think you misunderstood me
I agreed that Shaq was a good idea. It just didn’t appear that way because management also tried to change the Suns game at the same time. The Suns probably would’ve made it to the western conference finals if they hadn’t changed coaches.
The Shaq trade was an unbelievably bad idea
Putting one of the slowest and most egotistical players in the league, who never met a free throw he couldn’t clank, on a running shooting team. The only thing that made it work even to the marginal extent it did was the adaptability of NASH.
I don't know about that.
The Suns still averaged 109.4 pts per game and led the league during the Shaq season. That’s a .8 difference from last season.
They averaged 81.6 field goals attempted with Shaq and 82.8 last season.
There was a 1.2 fga and .8 ppg difference between the Shaq season and the WCF season.
Not much slower.
by Humongous on Nov 9, 2010 6:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Seven Seconds or Shaq was the best NBA offense EVER
It could have worked if Amare didn’t get injured.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Nov 9, 2010 6:52 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Or if Porter knew how to coach.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, I didn't misunderstand
I was just adding my thoughts on Porter. Porter was a mistake higher. I’m sure there are people out there that think Shaq got him fired.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I was for it...
best offense ever, according to Hollinger, when it was clicking on all four cylinders.
Couldn’t defend the pick & roll if their lives depended on it, though.
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by Pliny the Elder on Nov 9, 2010 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
Too many assumptions for most teams to make...
also… it is about fit… maximizing a players talents for your team relative to what you have and what you have to give up… most of these teams have solid pgs and while Nash MAY be an upgrade it wouldn’t be worth trading for him given what they have in place and what they would have to give up
furthermore
It doesn’t fit his makeup. Obviously a great player makes a great team better…but..Most of the really good teams are pretty set up, and Nash needs a particular system to maximize his style.
So the total package doesn’t make sense…
Option a) he moves to an already very good team but has to have a diminished role that doesn’t maximize his creativity and has no guarantee of a title.
b) he stays here with quite a good team, has a small chance for a title, and maintains his loyalty, respect, legend and history, while playing with guys he knows that he likes to play with.
That is the conundrum in a nut shell.
To me the trade talks are premised on the idea that the suns are a 45 win team that barely scrapes into the playoffs, and I don’t see them that way.
But like Humongous if it happens I would switch to watching that team and would cheer for that team, as Nash is the cornerstone that got me excited about the NBA again.
I am convinced
I am really enjoying watching this team and think we will overachieve because we have a really good coach and good chemistry but 50 wins will be tough… its not impossible but I don’t see it when frontcourts can abuse us like they have so far
Well my calculus is that we ended last season more like a 60 win team..
As we dropped multo games while we were working it out, and that while we are not as well structured, (too many 3’s not enuf 4’s), we are actually more talented overall. So while I would expect a drop off, 10 games off the 60 seems about right. Remember, we haven’t had one easy team yet and have had two very tough back to backs. Our bigs will be better when the schedule starts to favor them a bit better.
just as well, that you didn't..
as it wouldn’t have been as funny, and would have tarnished the other better constructed stream…fortunately, you restrained yourself, right?
New Orleans certainly looks like a top 4 team... they are extremely well balanced and have two excellent defenders in their starting lineup in ariza and okafor...
on top of that they have a top 2 PG(if not the best) in the league and a very good PF plus solid depth… when you have a guy who can score like marcus thorton on your bench that is pretty frickin good
last year the Kings and Rockets
were the cat’s meow as late as Christmas, and look what happened to them.
I’m just saying you can’t call any “unexpected” team a contender or a failure after only 7 games.
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if they have a top 5 player in the nba you sure can...
the kings and rockets best players aren’t even in the top 20 in the league
+1
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boom.
Roasted.
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I'd argue that Kobe's not top 5 without a decent team
While guys like LeBron and Chris Paul completely elevate their team to another level.
by hcblankscreen on Nov 10, 2010 2:06 AM MST up reply actions
You'd be so, so wrong
Go back and look at those rosters. Those are not even 30 win teams without Kobe.
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He almost beat us with Smush and Kwame
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
forsooth
But without Kobe that team SUCKED
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I didn't know forsooth meant 'ironic politeness'
I thought it was a cool way to say “surely”. My bad.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
One time at this nightclub
I saw what certainly looked like a pretty girl….guess where the rest of this story is going.
Sometimes first looks can be deceiving. Need a bigger sample size.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 10, 2010 8:17 AM MST up reply actions
I'm all for trading Nash, or anyone else, for the right deal
But it better be a good one. It’s got to be something that is worth losing him. Sentimental. Hell yeah! We better get a first round pick and a pretty good player to boot. Someone better want to mortgage their future to get the present away from us. It’s annoying when ESPN talks about ghost stories when we’re in the middle of a season. When it’s a real story, I’m all for it, but stop pulling my heartstrings!
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
SInce basically there are only 3 teams in contention, shouldn't all the other 27 teams..
just gut their rosters now to set them up for future draft possibilities!!!!! really, I mean since 2 weeks into the season we already know how May and June will play out, and that the Suns s@@@ and that Dallas, and the Spurs while not really competative are at least 10-12 wins better than the suns, why should any of those “other” 27 teams hold on to anyone, who could be trade bait?
One interesting note…Hollinger who had us I believe 10th or 12th in the west before the season, now has us 4th in the west based on the first couple of weeks, while managing to dump on Frye and Childress as wildly underperforming free agents.
by HarvMel on Nov 9, 2010 1:24 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Yes sir
despite being a Canadian lawyer, you are my kind of guy….
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i would say there are a handful of teams with a greater than 10% chance of winning it all...
every team has a shot at it but most teams, including the Suns, are at around a percent or less…
Of course there's speculation...
They’ve got nothing else to do but spit out stuff like this with no basis. Eh, what can you do? Can’t control the word vomit that the media wants the public to eat up.
Oh, and I am not rubbing anything on your persons. Politely ask your wife and maybe she’ll help you out.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
The NBA.com article
is only really annoying because none of the trade ideas give Phoenix anything worth trading for, outside of maybe the Oklahoma City one depending on how you feel about Jeff Green and/or James Harden. But how does Raymond Felton and Wilson Chandler help Phoenix? A worse point guard with a slightly cheaper contract and another middling swingman? Jeff Teague and Jamal Crawford? That seems like a way-worse point guard and another middling swingman.
I’d rather be stuck at 45 wins with Steve Nash than at 38 wins with Raymond Felton for nearly the same price.
If Nash is our only trade chip
We would need another in return. Not a collection of players that no one other team would trade for.
Is this guy getting paid to write shits like that?
“… The Suns owe it to themselves to study the situation between now and the trade deadline. Here’s a few possible destinations that might work for everybody involved:”
His suggestions:
Hawks: Nash = Jamal Crawford + Jeff Teague, Marvin Williams and/or rookie Jordan Crawford
Magic: Nash = Nelson + Brandon Bass
Heat: Nash = Mike Miller + James Jones
Knicks: Nash = Raymond Felton + Wilson Chandler
Thunder: Nash = James Harden or Jeff Green
MIGHT WORD FOR EVERYBODY ENVOLVED? Would we better off with Jameer Nelson? or JAMAL CRAWFORD? Does this guy even knows that we have 930293420 guards/forwards on the roster? And the suggestion of James Jones + Mike Miller for Nash is just offensive for our franchise.
Is it serious? He writes all about the Suns trading Nash for positioning themselves better on the future and he doesn’t even talks about draft picks? He just randomly chooses teams that are all expected to be deep on the playoffs and the Knicks, who don’t have draft picks to offer? All the suggestions are stupid, because or they suck very hard or the other team wouldn’t do it.
Man, that’s just bad journalism for a guy that calls himself a veteran NBA writter.
The Suns are tough!
To be fair
I don’t believe his suggestions were designed to make the Suns better.
In fact, in the short term it is designed to make us worse to get better draft picks and to find expiring contracts to free up future spending.
I don’t agree with his assessment, but I see some of the logic in his possible trade scenarios, assuming you follow his “The Suns cannot win and must now rebuild through the draft” assertion – which I don’t.
I don't agree with that also, but
where do the draft picks come from? The teams he suggested on trades are all good/great teams, expected to have no valuable picks on the draft on the near future. And don’t we have already a lof of assets to get picks on our own?
Trading Nash isn’t going to do us any good. We have some good years of basketball left on him and I would love to see him retire a Sun. I don’t have a problem with us going to the playoffs every year and not winning a title. And you know what? He doesn’t also seem to have a problem with that. That’s what makes me proud of having him as our captain and centerpiece of our franchise.
Last season was the greatest I remember as a Suns fan. We weren’t picked by anyone to even be on the playoffs and we made all the way to WCF. And it wasn’t because of Amare. He is a great player, of course, but he isn’t a franchise player. Nash is a true franchise player and he is the main reason why we exceed our goals almost every season. To get those trade suggestions for a guy of his caliber, leadership, value and a 2 time MVP is just outrageous.
When we supposedly had a chance at a ring with Amare and Marion (2003 – 2008) we ended up being tossed by the Spurs. And last year, you know what I happened.
The Suns are tough!
by Diego Queiroz on Nov 9, 2010 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
where do the draft picks come from?
I’m referring to the ones we get every year. We get “better” picks by sinking to a lottery team.
Still, again, I don’t agree with the guy, I agree with you.
good lord
you want us to be the Clippers or Twolves?
For every Portland and OKC, there are 10 Clipper and Twolf orgs.
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Nelson, Bass, and a 1st wouldn't be bad...
I only say this because I am supremely confident in Gorans ability to run the point… Bass would give the team a legit 4
then why isn't he getting minutes in Orlando
who also do not have a starting caliber PF?
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rashard lewis is there start at the 4 and there is no way they have a max contract guy coming off the bench...
also… bass has a redundant skillset to howard… lewis compliments him because he is a floor spacer… bass is a solid pf… not great but he’s athletic and rebounds at a good clip…
Marion is actually 6'7, but said to be closer to 6'8"...
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Sir Charles...Sorry...
Maybe I should add an addendum that you can be a 6’6" PF if you have a big butt and some of the quick ups this side of Shawn Marion…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Charles Barkley played like he was Chuck Norris
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I like the ideal of Nash and Howard together, but the Magic really have no enticing assets to give us back, sorry, but I don’t want an average PG who is injured half the time and making 7 mil. Not sure I really want Gortat either considering the attitude problems I hear about him.
Don't trade Dudley!
Can you blame him?
He’s a legit player who doesn’t get any burn, and when he thinks he’s finally on his way to a good team where he’ll have a major role the Magic essentially cock-block him.
by hcblankscreen on Nov 9, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
Gortat's contract
Also seems like exactly the kind the FO is stockpiling and might target if they did look to trade for assets. Talented, young player, long deal at reasonable pay.
by hcblankscreen on Nov 9, 2010 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Reader beware.
If you’re gonna click on a link from ESPN, be prepared to have your brain turned to shit.
If you watch ESPN news or SportsCenter for anything more than the latest scores and highlights, then don’t expect journalism.
It’s media sensationalism at it’s best/worst. If you like a little Melo with your LeWade, then it’s the place for you. If you like masturbation more than information, you’ll love it.
If, on the other hand, you like integrity in reporting, then all I can say is don’t look for apples in a pomegranate tree.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
Then Fox Sports is VH1!
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
May I add....
ESPN radio to that list of ESPN products to avoid. Listening to Colin Cowherd (AKA Colin Cowturd)’s condescending windbaggery about any topic, especially NBA and the Suns, will cause you to want to reach into the radio and strangle him.
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
by East Bay Ray on Nov 9, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Agree with you on Cowherd.
But the local programming on ESPN Radio is great here. The morning show is co-hosted by one of my favorite former Creighton Bluejays and the afternoon show is just freakin’ awesome. They don’t mind talking about ESPN the way we are either. If only there wasn’t that 2 hours right smack in the middle of the day, I might never turn the TV on (other than to watch games of course).
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That schmuck
is definitely a card carrying member of the self-important arrogant prick club.
What’s funny is that he is so convinced he’s right about everything when he’s actually off base just as much as anyone else (if not more). Talk about being out of touch with reality.
I don’t know what ESPN is thinking putting him on the air. He talks down to his audience and treats them as if they are idiots.
Is there anybody who actually likes this guy? Will someone please post a reply in his defense that propounds some shred of a redeeming or entertaining quality he possesses?
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 10, 2010 8:14 AM MST up reply actions
...[crickets chirping]...
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
It's not like anybody likes him - it's that he gets a reaction.
And that’s what counts in today’s America.
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You're absolutely right (unfortunately)
Cowherd and Chris Bosh are just working the system.
A couple of evil masterminds, those two.
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 10, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
It doesn't work on me.
And I’m the only one who matters. So ESPN needs to change its strategy.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t listen to his radio show, but he cohosts SportsNation, which is one of the more entertaining sports shows on TV IMO.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Nov 10, 2010 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
I love that show too.
He’s not so bad next to Michelle Beadle. But when you give him a mike and let him talk to himself for an hour? Ugh…
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's the larger problem with the culture of windbaggery (yes, I made that word up, but I like it).
All these “experts” go on and on with their judgments and predictions and then, when they’re eventually wrong, they are never called out on it.
ESPN is even worse, because they will write Nash and the Suns off now, but you can rest assured that if/when we come around and get hot, none of them will say, “we were wrong about the Suns.” Oh, no. What they’ll do will be to say, “what an amazing story these Suns are! Nobody gave them a chance!!” In other words, their dismissal of the Suns now will allow them to hype our success more in the future. Nice racket they have going.
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~Sun Tzu
by East Bay Ray on Nov 10, 2010 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
I will rub cream on your chapped hide if you shave my back, Seth.
Deal?
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
Oh... there is so much of that I didn't want to know.
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Reading it made you yell, "noo! noo!"?
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
by East Bay Ray on Nov 9, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Don't listen to them
They can talk and speculate as much as they want, I won’t listen to them. It’s sad to see that people are “falling” for the stories they make up. It’s trash, do what you’re supposed to do with it: throw it away.
If Suns trade Steve
There are 2 fans here in Western Kentucky that will never forgive them!
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No.
No. No. No.
Call me crazy. Call me overly sentimental. But I would rather see Steve Nash retire here than win a championship.
Is that selfish of me? Possibly.
But Steve doesn’t hold his feelings in. If he wanted to be traded to a contender, wouldn’t we already be hearing the words directly from his mouth?
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Nov 9, 2010 3:15 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I feel exactly, absolutely the same.
And I don’t think it has so much to do with being sentimental or selfish as much as it does with being sensible.
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by Basketball GF on Nov 9, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So much selfish.
Not judging, but call it what it is. If you love something, set it free.
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The 'stache is untradeable/unshavable.
For at least 20 more days. 23 if I keep it for the Movember Gale Party. And believe me, it will be set free post-mfing-haste.
Also, $320 and counting. Thanks, y’all.
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Breaking News!
Suns are in talks to trade Nash, Warrick and Lopez to the Hawks for Bibby, Horford and two first round picks. The deal is kind of stalling right now because the Suns want them to throw in Pachulia, but the Hawks are too reluctant to part ways with him.
Don't trade Dudley!
I thought it might be a joke.
But then I saw a way that both front offices might actually consider something like that.
Lol, just having some fun. If we wanted to trade Nash though, I think the Hawks would be a good trade partner.
Don't trade Dudley!
Actually, that rang true a bit.
The Suns would want Horford to play the four, and would need a second center to keep Silo third string. The Hawks, currently starting Horford at the five, would also need good ol’ Zaza for a backup.
The Hawks
started Jason Collins at the 5 and Horford at the 4
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they started Jason brother of Jarron,
against Dwight as well
But yeah, when Marvin is healthy they start Al at the 5 and Josh at the 4 and like Amare, he would be best served playing next to a legit center.
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What should we make of this quote from Nash?
Yes, it’s old (from before the season) and we’ve already discussed it some, but does it say to you that Nash is dissatisfied with what the team did this offseason?
“To be honest, if I was outside this picture and a betting man, I would probably pick us to be outside of the playoffs considering all the changes and the new guys,” Nash said…….Nash is not all doom-and-gloom, however. "If we play hard and we play smart and play together, there’s no reason why we can’t scrap our way to some wins and to giving ourself a chance to win almost every night," he said.
The perception among some non-Suns fans who have heard this is, “even Nash thinks you guys aren’t gonna make the playoffs, huh?” (anecdotal evidence from friends of mine). And I stop them with “no, that’s not exactly what he said.” But what was he getting at here? Why would he say this in the media? What’s the point? Is he dissatisfied and maybe, behind the scenes, he’s hinting he wants out?
I’m not saying Nash does want out, but I think these questions are worth asking in the context of Nash potentially being dealt.
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
He is dissatisfied with the moves this off-season, but that’s all we can really say. I don’t know whether he’s hinting that he wants to be traded. Maybe, maybe not.
Don't trade Dudley!
That's not what he said.
Why do we have to interpret that statement at all? He says he understands that some people might think we won’t be very good, but we might be better than they think. Why does it have to mean more than that?
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I think what Nash was really saying ...
Is that 18th Century Russian literature was superior in portraying human suffering, when compared to the Italian neo-realist movement in film-making.
It’s his quote and I’ll make it say anything I want!
by suns68 on Nov 9, 2010 5:26 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I think it was more a comparison between the pre-Raphaelites...
and the abstract expressionists, myself. And his sense of irony and banal juxtapositions was sublime.
make me GOL
to cite the quote I original published but got picked up by SN (and tons others)
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Sorry, Seth. I shoulda linked back to yours.
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
oh no prob
it’s just funny how things get around
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And don't get credited.
Cuz, you know, BLOGS.
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I've had the same experience talking to outsiders as you have.
It gets to be very annoying.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rec to the original article by Seth.
Unrec to everyone in the comments who are making up their own trade ideas with Nash.
by brian13 on Nov 9, 2010 4:26 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
And to borrow a phrase...
I dub thee green.
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So... Steve Nash just posted this on his Facebook Page
“What do you guys think of all this trade talk surrounding me? Is it real?”
I don’t know Steve… you tell us!
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
And, one of the comments to that:
“Steve come 2 the lakers u can win some championships”
And, I just puked at the thought of that.
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
suns fans around the globe puked as well
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
I just ate Ray's puke. Top that.
Extend J-Rich! He's one of the most underrated shooting guards in the game!
Great, what's my prize?
Extend J-Rich! He's one of the most underrated shooting guards in the game!
And if there are any more Nash to the Lakers rumors...
There will be plenty more from where that came from…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Don't make me puke on top of East Bay's Puke again...
I’ll do it, too…
And I can make it worse.
What if we traded Nash to the Lakers in exchange for Matt Barnes, Ron Artest and Sasha Doucheybitch?
There are not enough gastrointestinal ailments to describe the horror.
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
I am not even sure a good colon cleanser can fix that situation...
That’s some serious blockage right there…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
this thread, right here, needs to go into some kind of blogging Hall of fame...
And if there isn’t such a thing, we need to make one up to capture this one!
You know what's funny?
No way they give up Artest for Nash. Memo to anyone worried about this: the Lakers do not need a point guard and are too much of a class (yes, you read that right) organization to eff over D-Fish at this point in his career.
Also: triangle offense.
Chill, my orifice-evacuating brothers and sisters.
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No worries, Mike
Pretty sure we all understand that there is zero chance of this happening, which is why we can enjoy such lighthearted and sophomoric humor about it.
"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu
by East Bay Ray on Nov 9, 2010 11:04 PM MST up reply actions
So true though.
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Have you guys and gals
ever stopped to look at how many new players and coaches that Steve has had to work with since he arrived. He is the only remaining Sun. He led us to the play offs over and over with whatever hand he was dealt!
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
yea, sucks...lets trade'em
luckily fat baron davis is on the block
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
Fat, old, injured, AND disinterested.
That’s definitely the move we need to make! Who else brings those intangibles?
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that worked out brilliantly!
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, back to the original point of the article...
Is it reasonable for NBA observers to ponder what the Phoenix Suns might or might not do with Steve Nash before the trade deadline? Of course. That’s normal. It happens all the time with folk throwing “stuff” against the wall.
Ric Bania Bucher threw a big juicy turd against the wall (probably out of boredom with the season only a few weeks in, storylines haven’t had a chance to develop and such)and boy did it stick.
Is this the kind of writing the league’s official website is going to now get into simply because it attracts more eyeballs and generates more money? I hope not.
Yes, Seth. Absolutely. Look how much traffic it generated here just by you linking to it. 175 comments and counting in one afternoon. Compare that to yesterday’s pregame thread.
can’t we wait just a few more than seven games into the season before declaring which teams are dead?
Hell no. Look at the response this has garnered. You post an article about the irresponsibility of the media starting a trade rumor, and most of the response is about the ill-reported trade rumor itself, including additional trade rumors offered generously by the commenters, instead of the responsibility of the reporting media.
Extremist reporting rules the roost. Instead of waiting for something to come to fruition, it’s easier to float the ideas (under the guise of official rumors) and try and connect the dots afterwards. Welcome to the new world order of journalism. Please check your integrity at the door.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
by RMason on Nov 9, 2010 5:25 PM MST reply actions 5 recs
I prefer someplace with SUn..
Let’s think about Tampa Bay…or Yuma…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
I double-dog rec this, RMason.
Beautifully said.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Although...
No more so than Utah Jazz, or for that matter, Arizona Cardinals.
by suns68 on Nov 9, 2010 6:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I saw a cardinal while I was in Sedona this past summer.
For what it’s worth.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
by RMason on Nov 9, 2010 6:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you
kind sir….although don’t think we’ve forgiven you for hitting that big three-pointer on Christmas Day Mr. Mason Jr.
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but
I have no probably w/ us chickens sitting around chattering about trades. Not my favorite topic, but I gave up on fighting fans on that long ago.
I just think it’s terribly irresponsible for media to handle trade speculation in this way. Either say you have a source and call it a rumor OR be VERY clear that you are throwing out your own ideas in the form of analysis about what you think a team should do.
What these guys are doing is blurring the lines and intentionally misleading readers. Fair and balanced, I guess.
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 9, 2010 6:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
And I have no problem with trade comments either, but this very thread is evidence enough as to what people want to discuss and what makes people click on a link. ESPN and nba.com surely realize this, so expect more “fair and balanced” reporting in the future.
And it’s not my fault that JRich left me wide open in the corner. Sorry.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
by RMason on Nov 9, 2010 6:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Heart you, Pollack.
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RMason
Please suck it. I mean, “great minds think alike.” I had this exact post already composed in my head. Then I scroll down and find out I’m relegated to rec’ing you.
Now I have to go back to drinking bourbon and watching “19 Kids and Counting.” FML.
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Dear Mike,
Go fly a kite You’re welcome. High five!
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
Dear guys,
What a bunch of assholes You guys ROCK!!!
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Hey haremoor!
I hope you get molested by Scott Howard Thanks buddy, I like you too.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
RMason and haremoor,
You guys are sick motherf……. crack me up!
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~Sun Tzu
by East Bay Ray on Nov 10, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
EBR - and everybody -
Scott Howard jerking off motion Thanks a lot!
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Me thinks this has gotten absolutely insane and out of hand.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
I have no problem with them trading Nash...
As long as we’re getting back CP3 or DWill. I’m sure Blanks can make it happen right???
Seriously though when people write about the Suns these days they always assume the team is trading from a position of weakness and will take anything remotely close to complete the deal when its clearly the other way around. It makes no sense to trade stars until you get close to the trade deadline. That is when the pretenders realize the gig is up and they need to mail it in, while the contenders realize no use in waiting for next year when a big move now can make the difference. Right now the only assets you trade away or for are guys like Earl who are just going to waste away on someone’s bench, but could fit elsewhere.
Excellent comment.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Logic and rationality?
But that's crazy talk!
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
If I was Blanks
the only teams I would even think about talking to would be the Knicks and possibly the Magic.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Tweetin' at @JaxisZ
really?
the Knicks?
no trade is fair for the Suns involving the Knicks and their available assets.
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I would ask for Randolph, Chandler, and Turiaf, the only downside is that they don't have any 1st rounders
Landry Fields is pretty good too, but I doubt they will part with him. At the end of 2011 it would look like this
C – RoLo, Turiaf, (Dampier?)
PF – Randolph, Frye
SF – Chandler, Dudley
SG – (Jrich?), Childress
PG – Dragic, (???)
I also don’t think Warrick or Frye will still be on the roster, but for this, I’m giving Frye the benefit of the doubt.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Tweetin' at @JaxisZ
For a guy who will retire next season?
Maybe
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Tweetin' at @JaxisZ
Not just for Hill. There are a couple other SF's on the Suns..
Hedo Turkoglu
Jared Dudley
Josh Childress
Earl Clark
Clark won't be back
Hedo probably won’t either.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Tweetin' at @JaxisZ
Hedo will probably be back for the next couple years.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Nov 10, 2010 12:04 AM MST up reply actions
Hey, maybe we could get Amare Stoudemire
And solve our power forward problem.
And we’d avoid confusion between Channing/Chandler.
by suns68 on Nov 9, 2010 8:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
our player evaluations
are so, so different
Randolph has failed for 2 of the most player-friendly, talent-enhancing coaches. Chandler is just another SF, and less talented than the ones we have.
Turiaf is an injury wrapped up in skin and bones (he’s out again, by the way)
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I think Chandler is really good
And Randolph, even through his idiocy, does positive things for them on the court…unlike Clark. If we could ditch Clark for Randolph I’d be ALL for it.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Nov 10, 2010 8:20 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Lord.
Now it’s the poll question on NBA.com…
With “Yes, the Suns should trade Steve Nash” in the lead…
This is shenangians.
Somebody in the Suns front office needs to address this before it gets even more out of hand.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
you mean somebody from this blog
maybe in a few days. Otherwise, they’re all too busy coming up with more crazy trade scenarios (or tearing down the ones posted)
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Okay, seriously it's been 7 games.
7 games against some pretty good competition so pardon me if I’m not ready to say that the season is over and that Nash should be traded. On that note…
Dear Media (and I’m especially looking at you, ESPN),
STFU about Steve Nash.
Hatefully signed,
noonoo.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
by noonoo on Nov 9, 2010 8:01 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Okay, off topic but is anyone watching the Jazz/Heat game?
It is freaking insane. The Jazz were down 20-something. Paul Milsap is a stud. 44 points! 3-3 in 3’s, 2-2 in 3’s in the last 12 seconds and he forced OT.
He is STUDLY.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
Come on Jazz!!!
Just give the ball to Milsap.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
Wow.. This got out of hand.
Nash facebook page now has 1006 comments.. Most I don’t want to read.. Am just going to keep thinking this is a bad joke
"Just keep swimming, Just keep swimming!!!"
by Aztiramtempe on Nov 9, 2010 8:13 PM MST via mobile reply actions
It is a bad joke.
We’re what? 3 weeks into the season? 7 games in? All this chatter is all kinds of stupid.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
Seriously..
Seems like every year, ESPN decides what Suns player the they think the Suns might be shopping and writes articles galore on it. First Marion, then Amare, and now Nash.
Uh, we did trade Marion
And didn’t that work out well!
And we only held onto Amare for a couple of extra months.
by suns68 on Nov 9, 2010 8:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Where's Marion now????
Oh & someone refresh my mind did we get anyone good for him?
"Just keep swimming, Just keep swimming!!!"
by Aztiramtempe on Nov 9, 2010 8:33 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but not someone good for our style of play
The real question is, did we get anyone good for Shaq. Because I think we just got money for Channing Frye.
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And the worst part was
Marcus Banks went with him.
That guy was really coming around.
And that’s why we say Earl Clark could be the next Marcus Banks.
by suns68 on Nov 9, 2010 9:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I always disagreed with the Marion trade..
But we only traded him after he asked for a trade. And we never traded Amare.
Technically
We signed and traded Amare, which was a nice gift from him and the Knicks because it gave us some additional salary cap space to play with.
by suns68 on Nov 9, 2010 10:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Damn you, Wade.
Make your free throws… Elson?
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
I know!
I was thinking the same thing. Elson looked like he tried to miss the FT. He banked the sucker in!
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
HUZZAH!!!!!
THE HEAT LOSSES!!!
Price, Millsap, AK47, that other Euro dude, and Miles > Lebron, Wade, Bosh!
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
That was amazing!
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Nov 9, 2010 8:31 PM MST up reply actions
They were down 22!
And they fell flat on their faces! No DWill or Jefferson in OT and they lose!
I think I’m in love with Millsap. He’s a beastly stud.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
Watching the Heat lose is a joyful experience no matter who the other team is.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Nov 9, 2010 8:59 PM MST up reply actions
It's particularly sweet when the other team was down 22 and comes back to kick ass!
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
There's no fail better than a Miami Heat Fail.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Nov 9, 2010 9:16 PM MST up reply actions
LA and/or SA fail
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Depending on the game yes, (more LA than SA)
but I still say there’s no fail better than a Miami Heat Fail.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Nov 9, 2010 9:48 PM MST up reply actions
You gotta get your priorities straight.
Nothing trumps LA fail.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
Given the hype and the hate...
for one season, Heat Fail is the new black.
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Please don't misunderstand me.
I hate the Lakers just as much as the next Suns/NBA fan. Possibly even more.
However, I would rather see the Lakers three-peat than the Heat win the championship their very first season. That would just make other players think they can team up and form super teams and win a championship. Yes, the Lakers have Kobe and Pau. But they also have a pretty darn good team in general (except for Vujacic).
Besides, I like the West being thought of as more powerful than the East.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Nov 10, 2010 4:08 PM MST up reply actions
sorry but enjoying watching the spurs lose..
is so 2009!! (well actually 2006-2009).
Ha! Other Euro dude..
"Just keep swimming, Just keep swimming!!!"
by Aztiramtempe on Nov 9, 2010 8:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't even want to try to spell his name.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
Kyrylo Fesenko.
C’mon now. I didn’t even need to look that up.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe he is Ukrainian.
And he probably should have stayed there.
It appears as if my signature carries a certain weight with the Suns front office. I called for Jared Dudley to be extended, and they obeyed. I'm kind of a big deal. So BSotS, what should I demand next?
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
saw the two OT's
i know!!! run another Iso heats…how could that fail
this makes me happy
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
It failed spectacularly.
And it was spectacular.
Free FreeBradshaw!
If you say anything, I'll thump you again.
Hey guys...A little late here.
Could someone fill me in, I read the majority of the 200+ comments but I still don’t have a clear idea of if this is a real possibility or not.
Was this just made up by Bucher, or is there really talk of dealing Nash to either Orlando or ATL?
Not to worry, 7'
If you’ll notice, this thread is long but incredibly thin.
I make it about:
10 percent serious basketball discussion
30 percent implausible trade scenarios
20 percent celebrating the Heat losing
25 percent puke and poop jokes
15 percent
by suns68 on Nov 9, 2010 9:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Not to worry, 7'
If you’ll notice, this thread is long but incredibly thin.
I make it about:
10 percent serious basketball discussion.
30 percent implausible trade scenarios.
20 percent celebrating the Heat losing.
25 percent puke and poop jokes.
15 percent contemplation of rubbing cream on whatever part of Seth’s anatomy happens to be chapped (although some analysts may include this with the puke and poop jokes).
Overall, I think we’ve given the Nash trade rumors exactly the kind of attention they deserve.
by suns68 on Nov 9, 2010 10:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
um...
that’s about our average
if all we did (or even close to it was serious talk, this place would be dessert…this time I did it on purpose…I think?
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
Good point, Mr. Nashty
I was just reassuring our taller friend that we had explored many tangents this day and the volume of posts was not proportional to actual validity of the Nash trade speculation.
But I’m not criticizing and am always up for a healthy discussion involving poop, the Lakers and puke.
Rubbing Seth’s chapped body parts? Errr, not so much. Even a dermatologist would demand hazard pay.
by suns68 on Nov 10, 2010 5:27 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
gee
My chapped hide thanks you
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 10, 2010 7:29 AM MST up reply actions
exactly..
for me the refinement is that I myself an always up for a healthy, AND WELL REASONED, discussion involving poop, the Lakers and puke.
Seth’s chapped body parts provide no real impediment for me, so long, again, that the discussion is disciplined and not overly gay.
is disciplined and not overly gay.
Funny, that exact phrase is on my resume.
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 10, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
no
this will not happen, nash and hill are on a mission, that mission is to be ballers till the day they decide to hang them up. they’ve both had opportunities to chase championships;b they both signed last summer. why, because they pinned thier hopes and dreams on STAT…FUCK NO! while stat is in NYC, If Stieve and Hill are gonna make it…They’ll be singing
’ i DID IT,,,,MYYYYYY WAYYYY’
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
Nash no sell out
Not that I’m an expert but my read on Nash is that he’s a pretty principled guy. He made clear his thoughts regarding team and loyalty a few months ago when he re-signed w/Phoenix for two years. He understands the business side of the game so can’t fault ownership for letting Amare go soon thereafter, given the reasonably decent offer they put on the table. He doesn’t seem like a quitter or an opportunist so why would he want to be traded? If Sarver traded Nash without Nash asking to be traded, I think there’d be a backlash from Suns fans at this point because Nash still has plenty to contribute. Plenty. As for his facebook comment, that’s gotta be his sense of humour coming out again. Why just last week he was going to be the prime minister of Canada soon…
by norton powerhorne on Nov 9, 2010 11:40 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Btw...
The Bulls (3-3), Thunder (3-3), and Knicks (3-4) have a much worse Strength of Schedule compared to us.. When is ESPN gonna make up their own trade rumors about Rose, Durant, and Amare being on the block?
Strength of Schedule
Suns = .711 (By FAR the highest in the NBA)
Bulls = .525
Thunder = .475
Knicks = .419
and lakers again have light schedule
I mean they could easily go 15-0… tough games at denver and utah, vs suns on b2b…
amare played bogut yesterday, remember incident last season when bogut was badly injured? anyone watched, there were some problems between the two, amare says that he might be trying to get him back for the injury…
no problems
except Amare isn’t playing well
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 10, 2010 7:30 AM MST up reply actions
amare was just being a soft douche bag....
he was getting upset because the bucks were playing physical and boxing him out… bogut stuffed his shit on one end in that game and then jammed it home right after that…
amare was talking trash to the bucks bench during parts of that game as well because he is an overrated punk
by Superelkman on Nov 10, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
haha
If trading Nash is ridiculous, I don’t even know if there’s a word to describe trading Rose/Durant.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Nov 10, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
You can sigh that again...
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
by haremoor on Nov 10, 2010 6:45 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Heres the damage these "rumors" do:
Not unlike the Amare rumors last year and the year before and before….The player hears it. The local media picks up on it, and at times, unresponsibly begin asking questions of the player involved about said article to player in question, coaches and teammates. This results in a negative effect on everyone. The attention is paid to a baseless statement and inevitably puts one more thing on the mind of the team in general. In this case, since the rumors or discussion is pure speculation, with statements like “the suns shouldn’t close any doors” isn’t really a rumor as seth pointed out, it’s just conversational fodder, nontheless, unproductive fodder (as if fodder is anything else). It’s all designed to fill a column. (See Chad Ford as an example)
I’m certainly not criticizing this post at all, we are acknowledging it and discussing it from a fan’s perspective which is fine in between game days, but in general the national media in my humble opinion) is once again showing how they contribute very little to truth and ignore valid discussions, where they could be asking legitimite questions like: “What is really wrong with Robin Lopez?”
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by Wil Cantrell on Nov 10, 2010 7:31 AM MST up reply actions
and further
as opposed to years past, the Amare trade rumors to have some truth to them…A guy in has last season on his contract who is talking “should I stay or should I go…” Well yeah, maybe there’s a good chance he get’s dealt.
This is more like: “The Suns have no chance to contend, so why not consider trading their best player who has struggled at times during the outset of the season?”
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by Wil Cantrell on Nov 10, 2010 7:33 AM MST up reply actions
We have to ask
Nash about it now…especially since he opened the door w/ his Facebook comment:
Steve Nash: What do you guys think of all this trade talk surrounding me? Is it real?
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 10, 2010 8:24 AM MST up reply actions
Instead of asking
you can tell him that BSotS decided that it is not.
And when have we ever been wrong?
by waxmonkey on Nov 10, 2010 8:44 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll rec to that, haremoor.
Clever pun = automatic rec from me.
"We didn’t go for coffee and this kind of stuff."
-El Dragon on his relationship with Sasha Vujacic
I would never be in favor of trading Nash
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
if this is all speculation, then why not nash + something
to miami for Bosh + something (draft picks or what not)?
i thought this was a great hypothetical idea
bosh seems to be the piece not fitting in. he’s actually a PF that would fill a need for the suns.
idk how the numbers work out, or what would be included… but if the heat lose a few more games, they might go into desperation mode.
the Suns would not do this
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by Alex Laugan on Nov 11, 2010 6:06 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
But seriously though...WTH is wrong with RoLo?
I think maybe is bulging disk injury from last starting to bother him again. That’ the only explanation imo. He’s movements are just too out sync. Just like Blazers’ BRoy…
And about the whole trading Nash thingy…I don’t think i can watch the Suns without Nash on the team…and i completely agree with SteveDavis..Lol.
Tweets
I’m taking this as a good thing. I think it shows that the team is taking it lightly.
Nash
the_real_nash Steve Nash
Alvin Gentry, ‘if steve gets traded I’m going with him.’ Makes me wonder what Alvin and I would go for on the open market?
and a JD response…
JaredDudley619 Jared Dudley
RT @the_real_nash: Alvin Gentry,‘if steve gets traded I’m going with him.What Alvin and I would go for on the open market?( a washer machine
But in all seriousness.. Why couldnt we think of that?! A Washing Machine could finally give us a big body to bang with guys like Gasol, Bynum, and Odom down low. And he would probably have better footwork and softer hands than Lopez right now.
Are you factoring in the cost of extension cords to permit mobility for the washing machine?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Nov 10, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions
oh it would be wireless
dumba$$. Geez Scott, get with the program.
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It this a thinly veiled...
“Sarver is cheap” joke? Like, he’ll buy the machine, but be too cheap to pay for extension cords?
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Best. Comment. Thread. Evah.
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 11, 2010 9:37 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
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