Suns Trade Rumor: Hedo On His Way Back to Orlando?
by Wil Cantrell on Dec 18, 2010 9:25 AM MST
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PrintThe word on the street is that the Suns could be part of the Gilbert Arenas to Orlando Magic trade.
From Ken Berger, CBS Sports:
UPDATE: League sources say a third team is involved, with the Suns possibly contributing Hedo Turkoglu to the equation. The Magic, trying to make a bold move to close the gap with Boston and Miami, would wind up with Arenas and Turkoglu, who would return to the team he led to the NBA Finals before a frustrating year in Toronto. Magic center Marcin Gortat is "100 percent involved," though it's unclear whether the Magic would be sending out Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, or both.
From Evan Dunlap at Orlando Pinstripes Reporting On Alex Kennedy's Story (Hoopsworld):
Kennedy says Orlando has engaged teams including the Denver Nuggets, Phoenix Suns, and Portland Trail Blazers to make a second deal, perhaps involving the aforementioned package of Carter and Gortat. Among the players discussed is Phoenix forward Hedo Turkoglu, who spent five seasons with Orlando, only to sign with the Toronto Raptors in the 2009 free-agency period. "Lon Babby, the president of basketball operations in Phoenix, allegedly didn't make the trip to Dallas recently so that he could continue working the phones," according to Kennedy.
Turkoglu's stock has fallen inside the Suns organization with questions arising about his fit on the team. He wasn't able to adapt to playing the power forward position which took him out of the starting lineup and between Steve Nash's propensity to dominate the ball and Turkoglu's free-lancing plays with the second unit, he's not been able to find a role. There is also a perception that he doesn't play with enough consistent passion or energy although at times he's been very impressive on the defensive end but mostly only late in games.
Obviously the Hedo experiment did not work out as planned, so Turk seems to be an obvious choice to send packing among the other players with any trade value that wouldn't cripple the team. The question now remains, who or what do the Suns get in return.
The other piece in the discussion is Jason Richardson. Rich will be a FA after the season, and judging by the numbers this season, would be commanding a pretty big contract. Vince Carter is making $17 mil and change and has a team option for next season at 18 million. I don't see much sense to trade one potential FA for another right now unless it yielded a combination of a high draft pick, Bass and Gortat. The Suns won't take on any expensive long term contracts obviously.
Assuming the Suns are involved in this deal, it would seem Bass and Gortat would be the main desirable pieces. Bass is in the second year of an 18 million dollar 4 year deal and could fill in at PF while Gortat hits the backup C role. With Frye starting at PF, Bass could come off the bench at the 4, move Warrick to the 3 and send Dudley to the 2, which is not necessarily ideal for the slow footed Dudley.
Keep close to BSOTS for updates as they are reported.
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If we get one of these three players for Hedo being Gortat, Pietrus and even Bass I’d be a little happier. I’m really not afraid to take Vince Carter if it comes down to that. He’s on an expiring deal right? Plus, we could use another SG because it will probably be a while until Josh heals up and adjust to the NBA.
Don't trade Dudley!
He is not on an expiring deal, I think you can terminate it before a certain date, but I'm 100% certain he is not under an expiring
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team option next season
something like 4mil guaranteed 2011-12, basically an expiring deal if teams want it to be.
if we got bass
this would be a solid deal for us…can’t believe we would be able to get rid of turk’s contract
yahoo says
we would also get a 1st round pick
Yahoo says that the deal is complete; clark, turk, and rich are on their way to orlando
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belive it or not
from what im reading we could end up with vc gortat and bass yes we unload turk but j-rich is involved poss to wash. arenas ends up in orl,just speculation
nooooooooooo!
Please don’t trade Jason Richardson, Suns. He won’t play poorly forever.
by 8472species on Dec 18, 2010 9:35 AM MST up reply actions
Rich is
being discussed as well. I don’t know that I’d rather have Vince than JRich. But it’s making sense if the Suns dont want to pay JRich what he’d be worth after this season. Vince would be a rental obviously…Next season, barring another signing, Chill is the only 2 on the roster which scares me because he’s never going to score like Rich.
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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 18, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
Too bad Dudley can’t play that spot well.
by 8472species on Dec 18, 2010 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
By Thor’s Hammer, no Rashard Lewis.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Dec 18, 2010 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
By the beard of Zeus, no Rashard Lewis.
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by Trevor Paxton on Dec 18, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
By Scott Howard's pubes, no Rashard Lewis.
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JRich is expiring too, though
If trading JRich for Carter fascilitates getting rid of Turk and getting Gortat, then okay.
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by Justin Burning on Dec 18, 2010 9:46 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't we just keep Rich and trade Hedo for Gortat+Bass or Gortat+something else?
Rich>>>>Wince Carter
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
We all agree.
Problem is, the front offices of Magic/Wizards probably do too. (With Rich>Carter)
Boll.
Le sad.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I cant live with that!
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Vince Carter
will not think that Suns are a contender and wont play (ala Toronto Rapters)
my guess is that we would wave him anyway. or at least, we should.
NYC Suns Fan!!!
Probably wouldn't waive him
but most likely wouldn’t resign him.
how is Turk's attitude lately?
I wonder if Turk still has a good attitude, considering that he was benched and the team isn’t playing very well. Because I noticed that he wasn’t one of the first off the bench last night.
by 8472species on Dec 18, 2010 9:36 AM MST reply actions
word is that turks ok, just not a good fit on the floor.
but who knows.
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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 18, 2010 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
what scares me
is rashard lewis is supposedly involved,id rather he end up in wash and vc end up here,if this comes true im pisseed cause jrichs struggles lately must be making it easier for fo to part with him ………….dammit,ALso everything im reading says babby is working the phones on this one,WHat exactly is it lance blanks does?
Lance Blanks
is the Suns’ ultimate ‘talent evaluator genius’ while Babby works the phones based on Blanks’ recommendations…
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by Phoenix SunDs on Dec 19, 2010 1:07 AM MST up reply actions
Wow,
this sounds like a huge trade. First real test for our FO. I hope we don’t blow it. But Hedo for Gortat + something sounds totally awesome. But J-Rich for VC doesn’t sound like a great deal.
Things have hit rock bottom.
We’re seriously excited about the prospect of getting Marcian Gortat? A player who is simply big and nothing else? I’ve watched him, I don’t rate him and I don’t want him on the Suns.
And if Vince Carter joins us, I will centre all my hatred on him. He is terrible. He’s already thinking about retiring and he’s weak.
Okay, so the only bonus of getting VC is clearing capspace after his contract ends in two years and with the lockout coming, I guess that’s kinda helpful.
But we need to do better than this. We can’t accept this.
I imagine Lewis would go to Washington but if he even thinks about coming to Phoenix, I will gouge my own eyes out.
And rash rumours about getting rid of JRich are hurtful. He’s been our third best player this year and he’s expiring.
Hedo Turkoglu is my new favourite.
Disagree.
If you say that about Gortat, the same thing can be said for Fropez.
Who would start at center? Gortat or Lopez?
Marcian currently has a 4 year contract at 6mil per…we want that do we?
Hedo Turkoglu is my new favourite.
Considering Lopez is injury prone...
Also, we do need size to match up with the Lakers, playing one of them at the 4 and the other at the 5 doesn’t seem like too bad of an idea.
I like Turtles!
We're not gonna be meeting the lakers in the playoffs unless it's the first round.
I agree that we need size but is Gortat really the best we can do?
This is hugely disappointing. And premature.
Hedo Turkoglu is my new favourite.
Off the top of my head, no.
As a franchise, the decision needs to be made whether the team is going to be rebuilding or trying to patch things up.
I can’t believe that less than a year after making the WCF, we’re in this position.
Hedo Turkoglu is my new favourite.
its been the domino affect of losing STAT
which isnt entirely our fault. We would not be in this position if Amare had stayed. I feel that losing pony tail was bigger than we thought.
NYC Suns Fan!!!
I loved pony tail guy
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Uh, you mean...
…if Suns FO had given STAT a vote of confidence and been able to see that he was going to still be a beast like he’s showing in NY, and just paid the man??
Imagine for a second, what this team would be like having STAT back. So maybe we don’t have Hakim, or JChill. But I would be perfectly happy with the team that finished the season last year.
And now we’re going to possibly unload the only true scorer we have left? So are we trying to even sniff the post season in the next few years, or is this just about unloading dollars and building an average team for years to come??
by FunInTheSun on Dec 18, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
Our medical staff didn't give him the all-clear
And I trust them.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 18, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Amar'e has a 5 year contract
we were perfectly willing to pay him the same as he got from new York 20 games into the season. Its 3-4 years down the line when his knee is hanging off and his retina is falling out that we were concerned about.
He was originally going to start with the Mavs last season, but the Magic declined the trade and that pissed him off because he’s stuck backing up Howard who gets like 60 minutes a night. The guy is good. He may or may not start if he came to us, but he would get more minutes. I’m curious to see how he and Warrick could do next to each other because I think Hakim needs to play next to someone big.
Don't trade Dudley!
Yea, I don’t want to lose J-Rich, however I’ve always like Gortat.
The 08-09 trade was kind of risky as no one was really sure how J-Rich would fit, plus we didn’t even know who Dudley was and thought he was just a throw in. Giving up Bell was difficult and for some Diaw was too.
Don't trade Dudley!
Gortat's advanced stats are pretty promising
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
working the phones
In light of the news that Babby stayed here to work the phones, do you ever wonder just what the FO people say on the phone, with other FOs, that takes so many hours?
by 8472species on Dec 18, 2010 9:39 AM MST reply actions
If you're playing advance Fantasy Basketball
(i.e. follows real NBA CBA rules on trade restrictions, cap rules, picks, cash etc etc.), you would know you could trade talk for hours mixing and matching and haggling for additional picks, sacrificing your sleep and still not get a deal done.
'D' in 'SunDs' (word I first encountered from Paul Coro) <--- is no longer a juxtaposition.
by Phoenix SunDs on Dec 19, 2010 1:16 AM MST up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25vd3ju
This trade works for me!
I like Turtles!
cotton fitzsimmons used to say "at&t" at the trade deadline
cause they were the only ones doing any buissness
just depends
but making these moves right now lead me to believe they aren’t writing anything off. the suns are near .500, near the 8th seed, and its possible they are still in the playoff hunt.
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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 18, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
No.
I don’t like this one bit.
We haven’t given Hedo enough of a chance! Look at that picture of him up there smiling! He’s happy here!
It’s not exactly like Hakim and J-Chill have fit into their roles perfectly. They have all had their moments, including Hedo.
He needs more time. I don’t want to trade him or anyone else on the team right now. Obviously, this year wil be slightly above average at best, but I just can’t bear to lose anyone right now, just as I was getting used to the way this team played! Hedo deserves a chance!!!!!
:(
Sad teenage girl emotions are taking over rational thought right now. ;(
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Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 9:55 AM MST reply actions
The problem is...
That Hedo needs to be a starting small forward on a team with a point guard who is effective playing off the ball. No amount of time will make the Suns that team as long as Nash and Hill are around.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 18, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
D;
But poor Hedo!! This just makes me so sad! No one else has to go, right? It would just be Hedo?
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 10:27 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
At this point, who knows?
But, don’t feel bad for Hedo. He’ll be just fine. Actually, another team might offer him the opportunity to play more, and in a role that is comfortable for him.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 18, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right.
But I was really starting to like him! Sigh..
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 11:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
That's why we're the fans.
We fall in love with players and can’t stand the idea of letting them go. It’s sad, but true. I can only imagine how you’d react if there’s even the slightest rumor that Goran will get moved.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
Remember that rumor that he was going to go play overseas?
Holy crap, I was sobbing…
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
How could I forget?
I love Dragic too :(
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
He is just so amazing...
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 11:52 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
With the 3 teams involved at present – Washington, Orlando and Phoenix – I’d be happy with the following result: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2edvpc6
Hedo Turkoglu is my new favourite.
NO
We do no want Javele “Bumble F**K” Magee
I like Turtles!
As a DC native living in the area
We don’t want Magee
I like Turtles!
Fair enough.
I appreciate that he’s viewed as being more talented than he is, but I’m not suggesting we keep him. He has value. He’s cheap, athletic and we can trade him if needs be.
I think he holds a considerable amount of value as it stands.
Hedo Turkoglu is my new favourite.
I don't see that trade keify...
We get too much compared to everyone else…We never get that lucky on trades initially…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!
Washington is not giving up McGee
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I love it!!!!
I don’t think there’s much chance of that happening, but I would be absolutely ecstatic if we could trade Hedo and Warrick for Gortat, JaVale McGee, and JJ Redick…and I say this as a big fan of Warrick’s.
I think Washington is fully aware of the enormous potential of McGee though, and I don’t think they would part with him.
by 7footer on Dec 18, 2010 10:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
If we can trade Hedo and acquire Gortat
Without trading J-Rich, then I’m all for it. I think J-rich is too important to this team in nearly all aspects to trade away. He is our go-to scorer, and aside from his recent slump, has been one of the brightest spots on our team this season.
by 7footer on Dec 18, 2010 9:57 AM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I dont want to loose j-rich but
As j-burn said above if its a must to unload hedo it has to be considered,Also we have no idea if banker bob wants to extend j-rich.
by stevedavis_ on Dec 18, 2010 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
LET'S DO THIS.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
why Richardson should stay
Trading Jason Richardson, for Vince Carter or anyone else, might shake up the chemistry too much, and the chemistry already hasn’t been great.
by 8472species on Dec 18, 2010 10:15 AM MST reply actions
Who ever thought Hedo would be an acceptable power forward?
Nothing he has done in his career should have led anyone to believe that, and this was a huge miscalculation by…..Sarver? Steve Kerr with one foot out the door? If we deal him, not only will it unburden us of the weight of his contract for a player who has no role on our team, it will allow us to see what the new front office can do. If we exchange him for an equally overpaid player, at least maybe it can be an overpaid player that fits a need.
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It's Lon Babby not Kerr
he was his agent before the Suns hired him as as president of basketball operations
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
Then it's on Sarver.
Who bought Babby and his client Hedo. And, Kerr was still serving in a consultant role in these decisions, as I understand it. BSOTS staff, can you tell us more about this? I know it was discussed over the summer.
Redefine Christmas.
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by East Bay Ray on Dec 18, 2010 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
Well wasn't the plan
originally to bring Hedo over to play alongside Amar’e? That was Kerr’s intention, I think. But Amar’e bailed and then Sarver continued on with the plan, right? Can anyone shed some more light on this?
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
sure...let's take on Brand's behomoth and onerous contract while we are at it...
The point is that we are a fragile point going into the next CBA..FO can’t afford to screw it up now..
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!
Well, the goal is to unload a terrible contract for something of value.
That’s easier said than done. The most frustrating part is that we saw the need to deal Barbosa because he was deemed overpaid and unnecessary. Then we traded him for Hedo, who is even more overpaid and unnecessary. We need to not make that mistake again.
Redefine Christmas.
http://www.redefinechristmas.org/
by East Bay Ray on Dec 18, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
i would still take brand
if we only gave up expiring contracts and got evan turner or jrue holiday as a bonus.
The season at the 1/3 pole
The Suns realize that Hedo must move on.
I think Gorat and another piece would be fine.
Suns have to do something.
While Bass certainly isn't great he is atleast athletic and does things a prototypical PF shoud be able to do...
Also would give us a guy who is atleast a little bit intimidating
Couple things to point out (though I'm not making any "we should/we shouldn't" claims based on such)
Vince Carter is being paid $17,522,375 this year, and $18,300,000 next, but the second year is not guaranteed. I don’t know if that’s fully or partially, but if it’s fully non then he’s really just this year at $17.5.
Rashard Lewis is being paid $19,573,711 this year, $21,136,631 next year, and $22,699,551 the third, the third being also not guaranteed. So his contract might just be two more years.
Additionally, if there is a lockout next year (and all sad signs point to yes), no one will have to pay next years salary, making both terrible contracts slightly less terrible, as they’re both probably just six month (god-awful) rentals.
Boll.
What is the most likely trade scenario here in your opinion?
I don’t think we could get Bass and Gortat in a deal for Turkey and his ginormous contract
I would normally agree, but Orlando seems to be a special situation
as their game plan top 5 lineup is to essentially surround Dwight Howard with four three-point shooters, making other PF’s and C’s less valuable in their system – as long as Howard is healthy.
Boll.
a nice coupe
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Nash/Dragic
Richardson/Chilly
Hill/Dudley
Frye/Warrick
Lopez/Gortat
HIGH FIVE GUYS
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Duhon wouldn't be a terrible idea
If it saves us from having to swap Rich/Vince(like Seth’s article points out).
Also, he gives us a 3rd PG. Watching Dudley play “backup PG” when Dragic was starting in place of an injured Nash a few weeks ago was vomit-inducing. Duhon looked amazing for a while in D’Antoni’s system. I mean, I prefer Bass, but I doubt they give up Bass AND Gortat strictly for Hedo.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
right
no way they give up Gortat, Bass and Lewis for Arenas and Hedo….
I am not thrilled w/ Dohon or his contract but I think it would be worth it to get Gortat. Dragic can still play the 2 at times and $14m isn’t horrible for Duhon (but not great either).
What I wouldn’t want to do is swap JRich for Carter. I think that sinks this team totally and basically is a blow up move at which point you also start shopping Nash.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 18, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with everything
And thus I rec.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
One things for sure after seeing these trade rumors....
This team was built embarrassingly bad. Somehow actually worse than the Terry Porter hire.
I agree that something has to be done…but I like Hedo and would actually be sad to see him go. Also now we’ll get to see more late game situations where Steve Nash has no concept of time and dribbles around until passing it off with too little time for Jared Dudley/Grant Hill/Jason Richardson to attempt a shot.
This season is looking more and more like a waste.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
The under .500 Suns aren't helping either.
This is a dark sports time for me.
K-State basketball is really all I’ve got right now. Alma Mater!
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
men i need a life outside Suns...
so it’s 2:20 am here…how long will i need to wait till the news of this trade actually happens…
I think you can go to bed.
Unless Seth tells you different…in which case put on a pot of coffee.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Vince Carter to Phx is a deal breaker
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 11:23 AM MST reply actions
Vince Carter doesn't fit in with this squad at all.
If he dislodges JRich, we’re replacing a perfectly complimentary player to nash (catch and shoot rich) with a guy who is a big turd. He catches, waits for 15 seconds, tries to create his own and then takes an off balance jump.
Hedo Turkoglu is my new favourite.
Admit it
having Nash and Hedo ( Or Vince) Would be interesting to watch when we play in Toronto. They will cheer Nash and boo the other guys which may cause some of their fans to have multiple personality disorder byt the end of the game.
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
If you want to see fans with multiple personality disorders
check out our game threads.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
by NashMV3 on Dec 18, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha
Our team plays with multiple personality disorder though
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
Game Threads FTW!!!!
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 11:44 AM MST up reply actions
Alright Orlando. We'll send you Hedo...
If you send us Dwight Howard!!!!!
If only…
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 11:53 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I'm for it
Although I’d feel bad for Hedo. Sure the experiment didn’t work out, but it wasn’t like the guy never tried. He hit some big shots for us too. I remember a decent lineup that had Nash, Richardson, Turkoglu, Warrick, and Frye that they used at the end of the home game against Denver that worked very well. But that lineup obviously wouldn’t work against everyone.
by Nate_Sun86 on Dec 18, 2010 11:54 AM MST via mobile reply actions
He has been insanely clutch
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
If we get Vince in the trade,
Consider me the first to buy a VC Suns jersey. I don’t care that he would probably only be here for a short while.
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I'd only do this trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27vgvnp
Anything that involves half man half sloth or Rashard Lewis then I’d rather keep Hedo.
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 11:56 AM MST reply actions
Of course Orlando would be stupid and desperate to do this though
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
shit!
Chris_Broussard Magic & Suns closing in on deal to send Hedo/jRich to Phx for Vince and Gortat. “90 pct” chance of it happening, sources say. Within 24 hrs
this sucks…bye j-rich
No... surely not?
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
that’s what they’re tweeting…rashard to washington for arenas
by billyjohnson on Dec 18, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
chris broussard also said LeBron was going to New York
And then Chicago.
And then Miami.
And then New Jersey.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Dec 18, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wojnarowski is now reporting it
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
How long until Steve Nash hangs himself?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
That collision with Tyson Chandler might not be accidental after all.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
If he had collided with Siler he wouldn't have been hurt
Siler would’ve cushioned the blow
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
He's got to wait...
for that neck stinger to heal first.
Ask me about my moustache! http://us.movember.com/mospace/658192/
Twitter: @MikeLisboa
NOT J-RICH!!!!!!!!!
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 12:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe New York will take Vince off our hand
They helped us clear space when they traded for Marbury and Penny
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:05 PM MST reply actions
So you want to trade Vince for that guy Amar'e Stoudemire, correct?
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
I guess so
Expiring contracts are easier to trade.
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
Any deal that unloads Hedo
and doesn’t return another long term garbage contract would be masterful artifice. I am glad it sounds like the Suns have realized they made a mistake and are trying to correct it.
Never confuse activity with achievement.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 18, 2010 12:08 PM MST reply actions
I'd buy that for a dollar
Obv the only pieces we WONT move are Nash, Hill, Dragic, and Lopez. I will admit that I favored strongly trading JRich the entire time he’s been a Sun. However, that was when we still had scorers on our team (ie: Amare).
I cant fathom getting rid of JRich unless we get a serious scorer. I dont think VC will be a bad fit for this team at all. Actually, just thinking about the possibility of a Nash-VC Alley-Oop kinda gets me antsy in the pantsy.
Gortat is a must have for the Suns. If we dont get him in any deal with Orlando, then the whole deal is a bust. If they throw in JJ, I think we might have ourselves some serious firepower. I’ve always wanted JJ in a Suns uni. I think he fits perfectly in our system.
Magic & Suns closing in on deal to send Hedo/jRich to Phx for Vince and Gortat. “90 pct” chance of it happening, sources say. Within 24 hrs
ESPN’s Chris Broussard twitter
Like many of you said, we’re fixing a problem, but as well as creating another. I think we’ll be creating two more problems IMO because we’re losing scoring in J-Rich AND we’re messing up the team chemistry.
I dont think its a bad deal. Gortat would really help this team’s center deph, so when lopez hurtts his back again were got playing frye on other teams 5s anymore. VC is prob about the same talent as JRICH, VCs 3 pointer prob isnt as good, but he is a much better ball handler and can create shots in mid range much better. I dont think this trade would make the suns elite again, but i think we will be better. In essence, it all depends on Nash and his health, without Nash, this team wins 25 games a year?
i wouldn't be surprised if Nash wants out of this mess
I wouldn’t blame him
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:15 PM MST reply actions
Wojnarowski
Orlando will send PHX Carter, Gortat, Pietrus, a 1st round pick and $3 million for Richardson, Hedo and Earl Clark, source tells Y! Sports.
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:22 PM MST reply actions
Nooo Earl Clark!
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Half man half sloth
Actually this is not bad
Where is Jason Richardwilson when we need him Scott Williams?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
Earl Clark??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I DON’T WANT TO CHANGE MY PROFILE PICTURE!!!!!
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
Pietrus?
I like the guy as a D and 3 player, but do we really need another wing player? That would be Dudley, CHildress and Pietrus all deserving of minutes and all very similar players. It would make me think more moves were in the works. I’d much rather go for Bass than Pietrus even if we had to send orlando warrick.
They're desperate
highrest pay roll in the league. They’re still going to trade Arenas for Lewis straight up
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
Plus they're in a slump right now.
And they can’t afford to make Dwight Howard unhappy when he’ll become a free agent soon.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
Good for you keify, your "favorite" is on his way out
Driving the Earl Clark bandwagon with Larfleeze at shotgun, Jaxis on food duty, NashMV3 navigating, and in an interesting turn, Brian32 as schedule planner.
I actually don't think the trade's half bad for the Suns
But they still need to get rid of another three. Perhaps Dudley or Childress.
Bloggin' 'bout AZ sports ... SB Nation Arizona
by Justin Burning on Dec 18, 2010 12:25 PM MST reply actions
Could be worse.
Could be great if somehow our medical staff and dry air could turn Carter into Vinsanity of old.
So what are we looking at here?
(In no particular order/set position):
Nash/Dragic
Childress/Dudley/Carter
Hill/Pietrus
Frye/Warrick
Lopez/Gortat
I count one too many.
Boll.
(In no particular order/set position):
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
I do think its an ok deal to swap J-rich for Carter in order to dump Hedo and get Gortat/Pietrus
They’re both athletic 2 guards on the downswing of their careers with little defensive ability but able to fill up the box score on any given night.
and if u notice, J Rich really cant get his own shot very well. When nash is not in, J Rich is often not very good. Look at all the games nash has missed this year including last night. VC is a little more crafty and will not need to rely on nash for production
Well if VC was able to play with Jason Kidd, I doubt he'll struggle with Nash.
I’m sure he’d be happy being our main scorer. As long as he’s hustling and doing what he needs to do, I’m fine with him.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
Carter is also a better playmaker for others than Richardson
when his heads in the game. It could actually work out to be an improvement for us at the 2 guard if Carter comes to play. One has to hope his respect for Nash would make him work hard here.
I'm glad we're getting a big in Gortat and we're moving Hedo
But why do we need Pietrus? We already have Hill, Chilly, and Dudley. Dudley, Chilly or maybe Pietrus will have to go.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
All signs point to additional moves for the Suns
Bloggin' 'bout AZ sports ... SB Nation Arizona
by Justin Burning on Dec 18, 2010 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
Holy shit.
JRich / Hedo / Clark for Vince / Gortat / Pietrus?
I really, really don’t know what to think. I expected change, but not this at all.
"After the game, my teammates congratulated and joked around with me. Alvin came to me and said, "Kid, you see? Every game you can play like that!" The players were joking around with me, calling me Goran Jordan"
Pietrus is an expiring contract
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:30 PM MST reply actions
Sweet, didn't even realize that ... thena gain, so was Clark
Bloggin' 'bout AZ sports ... SB Nation Arizona
by Justin Burning on Dec 18, 2010 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
But we're shedding Hedo's contract while gaining a favorable one in Gortat's.
So it does look good, contract-wise.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
If anything Gortat is slightly overpaid
but nowhere near as much as Hedo.
The Magic overpaid Gortat to be a backup
rather than see him get paid less to start for the Mavericks. How petty.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
Pietrus has a player option for next year
Bloggin' 'bout AZ sports ... SB Nation Arizona
by Justin Burning on Dec 18, 2010 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
and he's french.
lookout for croissants…
Haiku are simple,
But they often don't make sense,
Refrigerator.
I didn't know that my bad
If he does well he opts out. If he doesn’t he’s an expiring contract next season.
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
HOW ABOUT GETTING ONE MORE DRIBBLING GUARD??
The Suns have exactly TWO players who can dribble and pass, Nash and Dragic!
It wouldn’t hurt having another player who can go one on one and beat his man to the hoop, drawing defense and feeding others for shots. Losing the speed of Barbosa left Dragic all alone as the sole mobile penetrating ball handler on the team w/o Nash.
It is clear, whoever broke up last years team was a fool!
That would be Amar'e Stoudemire.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
I really don't like the idea of unloading Jrich
Really? Sure he’s been in a bit of a slump, but when he’s on he’s ON. Lit up POR in the playoffs and will continue to be deadly from outside. I’m fine with dumping Hedo but J-Rich? Really?
by TheAlexSkinner on Dec 18, 2010 12:34 PM MST reply actions
It's to make contracts work.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
It’s only for 3/4 of a season. We have pretty much the same chance of resigning him at the end of the season as we did before. It doesn’t really matter unless you think the Suns were poised to make a deep playoff run this year.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Dec 18, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
orlando
was very impressed by that 3-12 shooting night by clark and insisted for him to be in the deal.
Haiku are simple,
But they often don't make sense,
Refrigerator.
Sucks for Clark.
If he thought he was having a hard time getting playing time here, he’ll never step on the court in Orlando.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
He might get a shot if the Magic ship Lewis for Arenas. If that’s the case Magic are left with Dwight and Bass in the frontcourt. Maybe Hedo and Orton, who I think is injured right now. Clark is a better fit with Orlando than with us IMO.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Dec 18, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
He owns them
averages something like 12. ppg on 60% shooting!
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
If we do get Gortat
shouldn’t he be the starting center? I mean that’s also another reason why Orlando is trading him because he’s unhappy as a back up.
Plus I’m not really a fan of starting Gortat and Lopez…but who knows.
He's unhappy as a back up
averaging 15 mpg. He’ll back up Lopez but would def get more than 15mpg IMO.
'D' in 'SunDs' (word I first encountered from Paul Coro) <--- is no longer a juxtaposition.
by Phoenix SunDs on Dec 19, 2010 1:45 AM MST up reply actions
Jared Dudley tweet
Man I’m goin to miss my boy @jrich23 .. Great teammate, good luck in Orlando boy do work
"After the game, my teammates congratulated and joked around with me. Alvin came to me and said, "Kid, you see? Every game you can play like that!" The players were joking around with me, calling me Goran Jordan"
We're all gonna miss J-Rich.
I don’t think he’ll look that good in blue.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
good luck J-Rich
even though you only played one full season with us, it seems we’re losing a player we had for like 5 seasons.
Man, if orlando dosnt win...
they have the worst contracts known to man… Arenas, Hedo, Rashard…. Bad, bad BADD
They're trading Rashard for Arenas.
So how can they have both?
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
I'm going to miss J-Rich
he still hustles even if he’s not playing well
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:39 PM MST reply actions
His only mistake was not boxing out on Ron Artest :(
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
He did
he just got bulldozed out of the way
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
Deal Dudley if anyone will take him....
The guy is as immobile on offense as a statue, he hit one big shot against the TWolves and acted like he hit the lottery, he sits at the 3-point line like a potted plant, can’t pass, can’t penetrate, has no moves to the hoop, can’t jump, and has no ball handling smarts or finesse and a lifetime average of ONE assist per game.
Aren't you the Dudley hater that Omaha was arguing with?
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
I'm the Dudley truth teller
Tell me what isn’t true?
He sits at the 3 point line because that's part of their offense.
He can penetrate. Don’t you see him drawing fouls? Of course Dudley can pass. He does it all the time. Every player does.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
He is awful awful awful when he penetrates.
I hate to see it.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Well I can't argue with that.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
dudley..
The Dudz looks like that Chinese guy in the shoe ad with Howard around the hoop. Guys like Dudley who can’t jump, if they are any good close in, are like Nash with spinning moves, fall away jumpers, or hook shots, Dudz can’t do either, and doesn’t look like he cares to learn.
Pass?
A lot of 7-footers pass better, Dudz has a lifetime 1 assist per game, that means he can’t pass, not good for a guy his size who should be able to create some plays. He needs to do something other than wait at the 3-point line for Nash/Dragic to feed him for an open shot.
If you think he's that bad, why is he playing for the NBA
while you’re sitting at a computer trolling?
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
Why aren't the Lakers after him?
If he is so great?
You don’t see the Lakers after Nash either…
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Dec 18, 2010 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
Wow thats Sound logic
If the Lakers are not trying to take said player, obviously they are turrrible.
What isn't true?
Dudley can pass, he can penetrate to a degree, dudley can defend, dudley can box out well, dudley has fast hands – steals…soooo….whats the problem? Not everyone plays everything well…case in point:
“Dear Nash if anyone will take him…”
This guys is as belabored as they come. He has a bad back, he passes too much when he should shoot, he is too short and can’t rebound, doesn’t play defense (as evidenced by his .7 steals a game) and turns the ball over waaaay too much. Anyone want to take him off our hands for a decent price?"
What a dbag….
Reading is good...
He sounds like a troll to me.
So it’s understandable.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
I didn't say he couldn't defend!!!
Why he can’t use those fast hands to develop passing/ball handling skills on offense is the question. Suns need more ball handlers, the Turk and Childress both have (some) penetrating offensive moves, Dudley has none.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO J-RICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m seriously crying right now. I don’t want to lose him! Its not like this is some freaking wonderful trade that’s going to allow us to win a championship! I want a fun team with good chemistry and that’s what we had and now jason is gone! I am so upset about this right now.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 12:47 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Im definitely sobbing uncontrollably right now.
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 18, 2010 1:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It sucks, but you always gotta remember
it’s a business… Maybe we all will form a new crush on Gortat as he plays good interior D and rebounds the ball consistently.
This feels like a game thread.
Only it’s about a Suns trade rather than a Suns game.
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
Last night we were mediocre. Now we're below average.
Welcome to rebuilding my friends.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
This addresses our biggest need
Audaciously combating BSOTS's regime of optimism since, oh, about a week ago.
by Will Slaven on Dec 18, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
While taking the teams best scorer
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
we got deeper with the
trade…childress and pietrus will be fighting for minutes i guess…it’s not that bad of a trade we got gortat probably the best backup center in the league and got rid of turk contract…I think it makes a better team overall
According to Yahoo you guys get Vince and Gortat. You give up Rich and Hedo to Magic.
Wizards give Arenas to the Magic and Orlando gives Rashard to the Wizards… Why do the Wizards want Rashard? Magic are getting the best deal out of this, the Suns so-so, we have to wait to see if you guys got a good end of a deal or if it will bring the same production as Rich and Hedo did.
The RaiderLaker
So basically:
Magic get: Arenas, J-rich, and Hedo.
Suns get: Gortat, and Vince Carter.
Wizards get: Rashard. (and maybe some draft picks)
The RaiderLaker
We get Pietrus too.
And you can never leave out Earl Clark
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
Don't forget Pietrus
and a 1st round pick to phx
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
yeah my bad, I didn't read that far, just came here to see what you guys were saying.
yeah Pietrus too and you give up Earl to the Magic.
Pietrus can play D, he’s better than Vince imo.
Is Earl Clark good?
The RaiderLaker
Not really
He couldn’t get playing time in Phx. Everybody says he has potential though. I’ve seen glimpses of it. He’s really athletic but he always settles for jumpshots which always clank off the rim. He for the most part only played garbage time with the Suns.
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
Wizards have been counting down the days to get rid of Arenas
Now that he has proven to be healthy and the Wizards are proven to suck, they will take anything.
The Magic get to compete this year. Their deep bench has not proven enough to be best in the East. Jrich>VC, Hedo>Rashard.
Suns get…um, fleeced, plus save money in 2011! Woohoo an NBA coupon for 2011.
Suns and Magic also get the PR bonus of avoiding the issue of resigning fan favorites, Jrich and VC.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 18, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
Can't the Suns just trade Hedo for Bass, Gortat?
If would give them that inside presence they lack. Exchanging J-rich for Vince Carter’s corpse is going backwards. Cutting Carter in 2011 is the same as not extending a contract to J-rich. How excitied will VC be leaving a contender in his hometown to a team that has no chance of resigning him that is battling for an 8th seed?
I also want to point out the Gortat was exposed for his lack of skills last playoffs and is not some diamond in the rough everybody thought he was in 2009. He’s a backup and quite overpaid. Apparently the Suns only update their scouting every 2 years (see Hedo).
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 18, 2010 12:57 PM MST reply actions
I’m sure if they could they would. But Hedo is not a very valuable player, and for sure not worth Bass and Gortat.
They’re giving up Richardson for Carter because of the fact that Hedo sucks so much
What about Orlando's mancrush on Hedo?
and the fact Orlando has been worse with Vince Carter.
I feel as if Suns are blowing up their team without making any progress. That should be Denver’s opportunity.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 18, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
Perhaps no progress this season, but we look a lot better financially going forward i think.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Dec 18, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
NOOOOO not Earl CLARK!
Audaciously combating BSOTS's regime of optimism since, oh, about a week ago.
Carter has been having a fairly solid this year, he has been having the type of year jrich did last season.
Hopefully his p’ssy is here to play. God I hate rob sarver
Driving the Earl Clark bandwagon with Larfleeze at shotgun, Jaxis on food duty, NashMV3 navigating, and in an interesting turn, Brian32 as schedule planner.
I urge nobody to have hope for Vince Carter.
He’s going to bring almost no effort to this team.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions
every post i have ever seen from you has been negative. you’re such a crybaby
by billyjohnson on Dec 18, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
What exactly would you like me to sunshine pump for you?
Gortat? Yea I like him fine.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
grant hill had an injury plagued career and not many people had hope for him, but when he came here, he became a solid contributor. vince has had injuries, but i’m sure the suns staff can help that, and he’ll most likely be our first option…
by billyjohnson on Dec 18, 2010 1:06 PM MST up reply actions
Vince hasn't played less than 70 games in a season since 2002-2003
He’s not really an injury concern. His problem is effort level/heart – of which he has low/none.
Doesn’t matter though since he was acquired as an expiring contract.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Grant Hill has a history of hard work, solid fundamentals
Vince Carter = nagging injury.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 18, 2010 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
Also I prefer angry curmudgeon
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 18, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
Half man half sloth
is what I’m going to call him
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions
As much as i liked J-Rich
And Hedo had his moments too. The Magic got two of our worst defenders and replaced them with Pietrus and Gortat both solid defensively. VC is bad defensively though.
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 1:01 PM MST reply actions
ahhh
love the gortat move and think he should start next to frye move lopez to bench like the 1st round pick and cash not sure about peirus and vince.
any chance we can get kirk hinrich in a 3 way deal oh well one can dream.
"Da Suns’ Bench. Call them Victoria’s Secret — all kinds of wonderful support."
It's now time to trade Nash to a contender
As much as I love his play and what he has meant to the franchise, it’s time to get max value for the future. This trade means rebuilding and cutting costs, the Suns office shouldn’t be foolish and hold on to him for marketing reasons. It’s time to look for draft picks and youth with high ceilings.
by Drinkin' Wit' Terrell Farley on Dec 18, 2010 1:06 PM MST reply actions
I would really love Nash. Could you send him to the Lakers? For... Steve Blake and Lamar Odom?
The RaiderLaker
Since Andrew Bynum is so fragile
There’s really nothing the Suns want from them
by Drinkin' Wit' Terrell Farley on Dec 18, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
No offense
but seeing Nash in purple and gold would make me never watch an NBA game ever again.
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 18, 2010 1:19 PM MST up reply actions 7 recs
We have to get this green.
+100000000000000000000000000
"Yes the game threads have more mood swings than a coked up pregnant woman but you have to admit, it’s always a fun ride." - NashMV3
WE NEED ONE MORE REC!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Let's start the rebuild.
Get Nash the eff outta here and let him win a championship.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I don't like the idea of losing J-Rich...
I wonder how this trade is going to work out.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
so......barron gets cut??? still a logjam at SF
C Gortat/Barron
PF Lopez/Frye
SF Grant/Chil/Dudz/Warrick
SG VC/Pietrus
PG Nash/Dragic
I think it's
C Robin/Gortat
PF Frye/Warrick
SF Grant/Dudley/Pietrus
SG VC/Childress/Pietrus
PG Nash/Dragic
I AM DEPRESSED
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
so is steve nash
Everyone wish @jrich23 the best in Orlando. Great player and great teammate! He will be missed. Damn.
by billyjohnson on Dec 18, 2010 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, but that “damn” at the end just shows his sorrow
by billyjohnson on Dec 18, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
If there was ever a time I wanted a player to fail a physical...
This would be that time Vince Carter.
Just take the Jrich for VC out of the equation and the Suns get better. Otherwise they are getting worse. Nice rebuilding!
by oLLiE Boombayay on Dec 18, 2010 1:19 PM MST reply actions
I like the deal
Hedo just did not fit. We get some salary help, get a number 1, get more length, strength with Gorat, Vince should be ok. The team needed a jolt.
Hate to see JRich go, he will be missed. I think the team will be better. And the team will be better in the future.
I believe that I suggested some of this trade last week.
Magic receiving calls about Gortat. “Maybe they’ll take …….
Hedo back. I think that maybe his need to handle the ball so much just might not fit as well as we had hoped.” I hate to see J-Rich leave, Carter is kind of streaky but I think maybe a wash in that area. Pietrus can play….way better than Clark. And Clark ….well maybe this will light the fire in him that is needed in the NBA. Throw in a 2011 first round pick, some cash,…..and I truly believe that we come out BIG winners in this one. Don’t be surprised if a couple more moves aren’t coming…..still a little crowded at SF/SG. IMHO.( In My Humble Opinion)
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