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Oh Star PF, Where art thou?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 22, 2010 9:27 PM MST
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PrintI've been reading quite a few comments about the Suns needing a star PF. So I decided to write a post about it. As much as I like Channing Frye. He's not the long term answer at PF. He has improved his defense and shot blocking this season and I commend him for that. But I think the role best suited for him is a key reserve who can play big minutes when needed. In my opinion, I don't think the Suns need a "Star" PF. What the Suns need is a solid PF like Taj Gibson who can hit mid range jumpers, rebound and finish around the rim.
More after the jump.
The Suns have two 1st round picks at their disposal to sweeten any deal should they try to trade for a PF.
Trades:
6'10 245 lbs power forward out of Florida. This 23 year old can finish around the rim and hit 15 ft jump shots at a decent clip. He has decent back to the basket moves as well. He is currently averaging 10 rebounds per 36 minutes and has the size and athleticism to be a good shot blocker. Unfortunately, the Suns would probably have to take on Elton Brand's toxic contract and I'm not sure Speights is worth the risk. He is signed through next season.
6'11 250 lbs PF/C out of Rider. There were rumors that he was available. He's been getting more playing time now. Are the Kings showcasing his talents (damn you LeBron)? His midrange game is inconsistent at best. I don't have much to say about him or his mutton chops since I don't think the Suns trade for him or Carl Landry.
6'9 235 lbs PF out of North Carolina. I thought his name was Antwan, huh? Known for his offense and quirky shots around the rim. Can hit outside shots. Also has been a good rebounder throughout his career. He's 34 with two years and 28 million dollar left on his contract.
6'7 260 lbs PF out of Cincinnati. I love Jason Maxiell. I love his toughness and hustle. Solid defender even though he's undersized. Great dunker and great leaping abilty. Won't back down from anyone. Would have to acquire Rip Hamilton along with him.
All of us want the Suns to trade for Kevin Love or somebody who's a star, but it won't happen. The players I listed are ones the Suns have the assets to trade for.
I don't want the Suns to trade for anybody this season. Suns players always talk about chemistry and gelling with each other and too many new players coming in won't make for good chemistry. I want the Suns to have Walter White like chemistry not Jesse Pinkman like chemistry (I hope somebody gets this haha). I wouldn't oppose a trade in the offseason though.
Free Agency:
I'm going to list a few free agent PFs the Suns might be interested in
6'9 295 lbs PF out of LSU. Has a nice mid range jumper. Hustles and plays with energy. Also knocks over little kids when overjoyed. Not sure if he's a starter in this league though.
Nene:
6'11 250 lbs PF/C from Brazil. Can opt out of his current deal and become a free agent Has started 141 games as a PF. Big body who can finish around the rim. Gets most of his shots in the paint. The knock on him is his lack of aggressiveness at times during a game.
6'9 235 lbs PF out of Minnesota. He's a good rebounder who plays with energy and hustle. Most of his shot attempts are near the rim. Rumors are that he's dating Kim Kardashian, so we get to see her at the US Airways center unless he's dumped.
6'9 240 lbs PF out Xavier. Like Nene, can opt out of his current deal and be a free agent. Has one of the best mid range jumpers for a PF in the NBA. Solid defender despite not being overly quick or athletic.
Carl Landry
Listed at 6'9 248 lbs PF out of Purdue. Best used as a forward off the bench.
Draft:
The Suns have two 1st round picks in the 2011 NBA draft. But with the chance of lockout, I'm not sure how many underclassmen are going to declare for the draft. Hopefully the Suns won't trade away their draft picks for cash considerations. I'm not a big draft guy but there are a lot of mock drafts for us to read this season and their should be a decent amount of draft picks.
I think the Suns should draft a PF and develop one to the player they want him to be in the future. The ability to finish in traffic is a must. Grooming him to be a pick and roll player with Goran in the future. And maybe teach him some defense this time haha.
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You need to be admitted to a
rosterbation rehab clinic. TODAY !!!!
You do realize that we have made a MAJOR trade and we could be set on all positions. We havenot seen the new players make a single play and you want to add more.
If we need more PF’s we can think about it after a month of watching the current lot play.
On the Gani Lawal Bandwagon.
Suns Future All-Star
Mark these words........
Hey I only did it because i've been reading a few comments about adding a PF
I don’t want the Suns to trade for anybody this season. Suns players always talk about chemistry and gelling with each other and too many new players coming in won’t make for good chemistry. I want the Suns to have Walter White like chemistry not Jesse Pinkman like chemistry (I hope somebody gets this haha). I wouldn’t oppose a trade in the offseason though.
Quoting myself haha
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 22, 2010 10:08 PM MST up reply actions
Totally feeling the Breaking Bad reference. Best show on TV.
"Grant's time machine is hard work. He's just a class player."
~Steve Nash
by East Bay Ray on Dec 22, 2010 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
Yes
I can’t believe the man who made me laugh in Malcome in the Middle is such a great actor.
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 22, 2010 10:41 PM MST up reply actions
Malcolm*
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 22, 2010 10:42 PM MST up reply actions
He was also dentist Tim Watley in Seinfeld.
"Grant's time machine is hard work. He's just a class player."
~Steve Nash
by East Bay Ray on Dec 22, 2010 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
Ah yes
the regifter
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 22, 2010 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
Yes I know
But they are the only ones the Suns can get. I want the Suns to draft one. What I want to know is who exactly is the star PF everybody talks about? That is the real purpose of this post.
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 22, 2010 10:40 PM MST up reply actions
Nene is the only guy I like there.
None of the others really make us much better, if at all.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
Good luck in Orlando J-Rich.
Get your head right Aaron. We need you.
Why would Nene opt out with the lockout coming, though?
He’ll exercise his player option for sure.
Trade Warrick!!!
I never said anything about realistic possibilities.
Nene is just the only appealing name there to me. He’s the only all-star caliber player listed (unless you want to include West).
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
Good luck in Orlando J-Rich.
Get your head right Aaron. We need you.
West is on his 2nd contract
and his next contract is the one where he gets PAID. He will take a lot of money to pry from Nawlins, and we don’t have that sort of available cash under the cap.
The only way you could sign him would be via sign-and-trade, and we’d be operating from a position of weakness in any such deal.
Trade Warrick!!!
No, we absolutely would not be operating from a position of weakness.
We weren’t in the drivers seat with Amar’e, were we? He’s a free agent – we have a big expiring contract. We could just buy it out, offer West whatever it took, and sign him in the created cap space. I doubt it’s going to be 18 mil a year – that’s more than Amar’e makes. NO isn’t going to bid that high.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
So he can get a lot of money before the owners negotiate with the players union to reduce salaries.
It doesn’t matter what team he is locked out from – he wont get paid regardless. But he may end up with 20% more by opting out early when they start playing again. Big men are always in demand, lockout or no, and he’s relatively cheap and good.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
The owners won't be negotiating with anyone after the trade deadline
unless the players union disbands. If that happens, then we might see an uncapped year (Lakers vs Knicks in the finals!)
Trade Warrick!!!
The lockout won't happen until September - I think the negotiations and deadline will be conducted normally.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Nice idea, SC.
Unfortunately, I think this is “settling”. We have way more expendable assets than that.
I think we’re all acting whipped here. We believe that nobody wants to come to Phoenix without any reason. We believe Sarver won’t spend the money, when he’s proven he will. We believe we’re going to get screwed in a trade, because we always have.
At this point last year, we would have traded Amar’e, the best PF in the game (that’s for you, Jim) for what we can offer in a New…York…second. Pun intended. We couldn’t get 2 first round picks for him. We have assets literally running all over the floor, we have 2 picks, and we have cash. We have 6 mil or so left from Amar’es TPE, we got 3 mil in the trade, we have what other teams want – assets.
It’s a seller’s market, true. The price for KLove or BGriff may be extraordinarily high – but it exists. Believe me, if somebody offered us a package of a couple of picks, a big exception, a couple of talented players, and 3 mil cash for Nash right now, we would be saying goodbye to Steve. It’s a business – owners don’t get attached to players like the fans do – there is very little sentimentality in Front Offices.
So anyway, back to your post – you have the fundamental problem of – who do you trade for JT – they have a logjam at the PF, so you trade a wing? We don’t have any wings in his price range that we can trade 1-1, and they don’t want Warrick back, so maybe you give them a first round pick. Right then, you take the Suns out of the Star trade market, because teams always seem to want that pick to do the deal. I don’t know why we should give up before we try, and I’m sure Blabby are working the phones. A package like we have isn’t in the JT range – we can get a max player.
Drafting somebody will not help soon, and it won’t help Nash. We already have Lawal in the wings – we are developing a player very much like some you have suggested. This team would fall apart waiting to develop a young PF.
If a PF is what we need, then we need the best one we can get. We need a star, a franchise face to carry on after Nash leaves. We need to be patient and wait for the right deal. We may have to wait until after the new CBA, or there may be some bargains right before the CBA from teams in trouble.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
The Kings are way under the cap
so a deal with them for Thompson would not have to be even on salary. We could give them virtually anyone on our roster in exchange.
Trade Warrick!!!
Well, they likely won't want Warrick, so who?
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Childress is the odd man out right now
But I find it more likely they would ask for Dudley. Or they might want to take Carter (to sell tickets), and give us back a garbage contract with JT. Either of those are viable proposals.
Trade Warrick!!!
Well, I'm not going to get into a rosterbation contest here -
But it seems to me you’re buying high and selling low. Duds scored 26 points in the last game, was really the best 3 point shooter in the league last year, and has proven he can start, he plays defense and is very smart. He’s the captain of the second team, and I don’t think our FO is going to trade him. Or Chill. But for the right offer…
I still maintain that we have the kind of assets that could net us a star – or at least a proven player. Scraping the bottom of the barrel isn’t the way to win a title, and we need to win now.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Haremoor...
i agree with you – that is if i have the correct understanding of what you wrote: We stay put with what we have now and see how it works and only make a move for a trade if it will net a PF whose a star or potential to be a star.
As a matter of fact, IMO we can even include Rolo and/ or Dragic if we can get a star PF (Love, BGriff, Stoudemire hehehe…). But for now i dont think it would make sense to trade for a so-so PF like JThompson or Maxiel, etc. I think were pretty set at the C-PF with Lopez-Frye-Gortat. If we do make a trade of a couple of our wings and / or Warrick I would rather see a solid SG in return (sorry I’m not really sold on VC and would rather see Dudley come off the bench)
I might be the only one who doesn't want Love here
We need someone who can create his own shot, and aside from a knack for getting O-boards, that isn’t a skill that Love is very good at.
Trade Warrick!!!
I think you might be.
We don’t need a PF who can create his own shot if he’s playing with Nash, and Love certainly has a reputation for boards, offensive and defensive.
We talking about the same Kevin Love here?
The Kevin Love that this season is averaging in 35 minutes:
45% from the field (so so for a big, decent for a shooter)
43% from beyond the arc (outstanding for a big)
87% from the line (excellent)
15.6 rebounds per game, 5 of which are offensive (video game numbers)
21 points per game
I’d like to point out that those shooting percentages are 2% less from the field than Jason Richardson, and 1% better from 3 point land and 11% better from the free throw line.
And, he's 22.
He’s cheap this year and next. (3 mil or so). Even after that, he will be a bargain.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
I don’t think I’m settling, Our assets are VC’s contract, some young players with long term deals and two 1st round picks that will probably end up in the low teens and twenties. And the cash you mentioned. I don’t think that’s enough for a star PF.
I never said nobody wants to come to Phoenix. In fact, I think players want to come to Phoenix. Looking at our recent trades, Shaq had his best season numbers-wise in a while playing here. Jason Richardson played great and Jared Dudley has thrived here. Hedo had his moments for a player who wasn’t a great fit. Jim Jackson was good, too. Free agent signings also did well. Raja Bell played his best years in a Suns uniform. Warrick is having a good season offensively. Kurt Thomas was good and so on. Tim Thomas was WAIVED and he was a playoff hero for us.
You’re right. Everybody has a price but trading for player like Kevin Love or Blake Griffin, who are building blocks for a rebuilding team, are trades the Suns don’t have the assets for. For trades like that to happen you need young talent. Look at the KG trade to Boston for example. The Celtics traded away Al Jefferson, two draft picks (One lottery pick) several young players with potential and cash. The Suns don’t have a player equivalent to Al Jefferson who is expendable. We also don’t have a lottery pick. Those are huge assets for a deal like that to happen. In my opinion, our only real chance of trading for a star PF is if he’s in the last year of his contact and his team aren’t sure they can sign him. Like when the Suns were shopping around Amar’e last season. The other star PFs are on good teams in contention for playoff berths. So I doubt they would want to blow up their teams.
Nash’s case is different. Even though he’s playing at a high level, he’s 36. I really don’t want to see him go and would like for him to retire in a Suns uniform. But if somebody offers the Suns a deal like what New Jersey got for Kidd, then it would be a steal for the Suns.
jc79 already replied to you about Jason Thompson. Thanks jc79.
I honestly haven’t watched Lawal play. I see him as an unknown factor who might or might not pan out. I still think the Suns should use one of their picks to draft a PF to compete with Gani in next season’s training camp.
All the trades I listed above are ones I thought we can realistically acquire this season if the Suns chose to go that way. Those free agents are the best free agents at the PF position for next season. Can we get them? I don’t know I just listed our options for next season. I still think drafting a PF is the way to go. I want the Suns to play out this season with the current roster and see how far we can go in the playoffs.
Did I miss anything?
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 1:17 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
No, SC, you make really good points - except we do have the assets.
It won’t be easy – it never is. But who would have thought the Pau Gasol trade would be as easy as it was? It was on Feb 3, and LA gave up Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, and two first round picks – 2008 and 2010, plus the rights to Marc Gasol and Aaron McKie, who the Lakers signed earlier that day for salary cap purposes. I think the Lakers threw in some cash, too.
You say that Blake Griffin and KLove are building blocks for a rebuilding team. You are right, and I don’t think Griffin is possible at all – yet I’d still ask the question, and make them say no.
Let’s look at MN, though. Yes, the have KLove, and he’s a stud. But they still suck, and without some help, they won’t ever get the team to win before he leaves – he’s a RFA in 2012, and they aren’t going to get it together before then. That’s exactly why the Grizzlies let Pau go, and they got better pretty quick. It’s why I think it has to be a three way trade, but we can certainly give them two first round picks, 2011 and 2012. And we’ll still have a first rounder in 2011, which we are required to do.
Vince Carter and his contract aren’t valuable to MN as it stands, because they aren’t over the cap. But they can immediately trade him to a team that is (hence the 3 way deal) and get picks, players, and/or cash. And don’t forget, we could buy picks, too – 3 million dollars will buy a first round pick. We could trade Gortat – he’s a very attractive asset, and less neccesary if we have Love, or we could trade Robin – I would prefer to keep both of them, but I wouldn’t bitch too much if that was what it took. We could give them Warrick, although his long contract makes him less desirable. We could give them Lawal – I’ve looked at the class of 2011 that may come out, and Lawal is as good a prospect as any of them. We also have the rights to D. Collins, much like the Lakers had the rights to Marc Gasol. So MN is looking at trading Love, who they probably won’t be able to keep past 2 years, for at least 6 promising young players – that’s more than the Grizzlies got for Pau.
It would have to be a 3 way deal to do that, and most likely, since Love only makes 3.6 mil/year, we would end up getting back a toxic contract which we could afford, since we’d be trading contracts of up to 26 mil to do it, but we bought out Ben Wallace’s 10 mil contract, and we can do it again.
I’m sure I’ve made some errors in here, but the fundamental thing is, we could find a way to get it done without giving away the core of our team. Babby and Blanks (Blabby) know this, and they are aggressive. And it may not be KLove – I’m just using him as an example.
Because we have Nash and Hill, we need a star now. We’ve seen what happens without Nash on the floor, and Goran won’t be ready that soon – maybe 2 or 3 years, and he can keep the team at close to the level that Nash can, and that’s all you can ask of him. I want to get Nash and Hill a title, and that’s only a couple of year window – you can’t develop a star that quickly. As good as Griffin is, he’s going to make rookie mistakes that cost games, and Love is only 22. So it’s a risk. But we need to stop thinking that we can’t do deals like this – I think Blabby already know it, and I love the aggressive nature of the trade they just made. I hope they do it again.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
By the way, SC, great comment, and recc'ed.
I wanted to mention a couple of other things – Houston is hurting right now, and may be looking for a one year rebuild. So is Charlotte, and they make historically bad trades. Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis are UFA’s next year. So is Tyson Chandler. Boston has to start over at some point – those guys are pretty old, so I would imaging they will extend Davis and Perlins, but they may like the idea of Gortat or Lopez, so that’s worth exploring, too. Dallas still has to get by SA and LA in the playoffs, and if they have an early exit, they may get nuts and let Chandler walk. The possibilities are out there.
With unrestricted free agents, VC’s contract opens up 18 mil of cap room for us – all we have to do is sign the player. The current CBA is in effect until September, so taking on a big contract is a risk, but may be worth it.
So think big!
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
BTW - Portland needs to do something, too.
Pryzbilla is a UFA next year, and Oden and Roy are broken. Their salary bas is really high – and Roy is the toxic contract that we may have to take back. That’s pretty toxic – would it be worth taking Roy if we got KLove, too, and didn’t lose any of our other rotation players?
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Good to hear, wax. I trust your opinion.
Is there any major error in logic, or anything I’m missing, in what I wrote here?
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Roy might never live up to that contract
but he could still end up as the best 24 minutes a game guy in the league.
Trade Warrick!!!
Yes!
Aaron Nelson will have to sign off on it though!
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
True
there are a lot of free agent big men next season. A lot of options to consider in the offseason. I will write a fan post about free agents in the off season.
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
The Pau Gasol trade was just baffling
Pau’s contract at the time of the trade had 3 years and 50 million dollars left on the deal. They probably couldn’t afford to keep him. Memphis lucked out that Marc Gasol panned out for them. But i’m going to let Stephen A. Smith take over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j9nsqv9m6M
About Kevin Love, Yes I do think our best chance of us getting him would be in his contract year. But that all hinges on how Minnesota will be. They have some young talent on their team and I think they will be much better by the time Kevin Love’s contract is up. Thankfully David Kahn ,their GM, doesn’t know how to evaluate talent. He compared Darko Milicic to Chris Webber! I think we do have a shot at getting Kevin. The Suns either trade for him in his contract year or by offering him a deal the Wolves can’t match. To get him this year the Suns would have to give up more players than I’d like to give up. As good as Kevin Love is, giving up a lot of players for him would make us worse this year.
About the inclusion of a third team. It is a possibility, there are a lot of toxic contracts out there to be had. I could see it going down and I will fire up the trade machine if this thing doesn’t work out.
One thing I know. Our future looks bright after this trade and I’m Blabby (haha) will figure out what to do with money the Suns saved.
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
what about
Anthony randolph, hed be good in our system and is on the block
by jsmoo on Dec 23, 2010 2:44 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Every time you rosterbate, God kills a kitten.
At any rate, I agree with haremoor that it’s a bit puzzling how people think that the Suns lack the trading cards to land a big fish here in the desert.
Who wouldn’t listen to this offer:
Gorty or Lopez, Chill or Dudz, a 1st rounder and cash.
Everyone knows we got Barkley for lot less than that.
You can get with this, or you can get Gortat.
by RMason on Dec 23, 2010 11:52 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Gortat and Lopez are assets
Dudz and J-Chill have long term deals. This could be a good thing in a trade. If a team is shedding payroll I don’t think they want role players with 5 year deals, unless they think they can trade them. It’s complicated.
Any 1st rounder from Phoenix should have double the value. Our draft picks have turned in to Rondo, Deng, KryptoNate, Fernandez and the spanish chocolate.
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
And Earl Clark and Zarko Cabarkapa and Casey Jacobsen.
You can get with this, or you can get Gortat.
Those guys actually played for phoenix though haha
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
I would be willing to take a 1 year 5 million dollars from the Suns
and get traded for Maxeill. Sacrificing myself for phoenix.
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 12:40 PM MST reply actions
But can you play D???
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
No but I'm a good locker room presence
will always keep the bench warm for my teammates.
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 2:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Works for me. Can you sing?
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
I don't know
The voices in my head say i’m good.
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I was hoping this post would be written in Shakespearian
Real name no gimmicks
Haha
Oh Robinio, Robinio wherefore art thou Robinio?
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
Or
Oh Vincio, Vincio wherefore art thou Vincio?
Vincie are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK Vincie?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 23, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
We should use Gortat for now, use TPE with some "generous bonuses"
Well, what if Gortat IS the “All-Star PF” that we are looking for? IF Gortat can get 15+ points in 35 minutes, while making Lopez effective, we will likely have a better team than with STAT (better rebounding and defense than last year).
Gortat could be our Dirk Nowitzki — maybe less offense, but better rebounding and defense.
I would really go after Kevin Love. Keep in Mind that if teams are cut from the NBA next year, Minnesota and Memphis are the most likely ones to go—so KL may really be available.
More to the point, we can offer bonuses on top of the TPE, with a low bar— for example, we will give Kevin Love $_ Million as a bonus each year the Suns win 25% of their games.
This could give us enough $ to get a star PF— that is, if Gortat hasn’t already made such a move superfluous.
I know everyone else hates him apparently
But why didn’t you list Troy Murphy? He’s available from the Nets and a free agent at seasons end and probably would fit better here than anyone else on that list. As much as his defense sucks, it’s a huge improvement over Warrick. He’s got excellent range out to the three point and is a top five rebounder every year….
Waits to get criticized
The Phoenix Suns...Where making average players look elite happens.
I actually like that idea as a temporary solution.
Maybe even long term, if his demands are reasonable next year. The question seems to be whether NJ will get rid of him. But I wouldn’t want to give up the core of our trade package for him. That needs to stay intact. I think we were actually in better shape to trade Hedo for him than VC.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
NJ is putting all their eggs in the Carmelo Anthony basket
and Murphy’s expiring is the lynchpin of the deal. To get him you’d have to be involved in some sort of multi-team deal with those two teams.
Trade Warrick!!!
Well, VC's expiring is 1.5 times what Murphy's is.
However, their 1st rounder is more valuable than ours. We could get Melo – we just couldn’t keep him. But we could trade him…
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
NJ has 5 1st round picks, plus a top-5 pick from last year
to trade. That’s a lot of cheap assets. Their discussion with Denver is that they also would like to get another asset in the trade (Harrington, I think).
Denver is also still considering re-tooling, rather than rebuilding. I think they believe that if they had one more piece, and could legitimately field a “big 3” of sorts, that Melo might stay.
Trade Warrick!!!
Harrington would have to be involved,
considering both Murphy and Favors would be headed to DEN. NJ doesn’t want Melo playing PF.
Omaha's Christmas List:
Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).
The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.
A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.
Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.
Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.
True, but he's only 1 guy and shouldn't play much more than 20 mpg.
He’s a Lou-type guy. He can’t be their guy at PF if they want to win.
Omaha's Christmas List:
Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).
The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.
A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.
Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.
Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.
He's had 4 straight games of double digits
That’s scoring, yes. The rebounding is there as well. A low double-double guy – his ceiling is Horace Grant, basically.
Trade Warrick!!!
Rosterbation Alert!
I had a thought… what about Andre Miller? Portland looks like they’re trying to move their older players, and Miller is that. However, he’s still a top-15 PG. We could trade Dragic and Pietrus to get him, though we’d have to wait til close to the trade deadline.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22mq6xt
Miller is an upgrade from Dragic at this point, and would be a legitimate, consistent shot-creator in our 2nd unit. Our logjam at the wings would also be alleviated.
Trade Warrick!!!
But...why?
Besides, Miller averages 35 minutes a night for his career. Not sure he’d be happy playing backup to Nash.
Nor would I be happy watching him playing backup to Nash, personally.
If we’re trying to use assets to upgrade a position, we should upgrade somewhere that we’re weak, and I don’t feel that the backup point guard spot is it. Wouldn’t we be better served looking for a PF?
by waxmonkey on Dec 25, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if you think i would upgrade the PG situation this year,
what about next year? Or the year after? Miller will probably retire about the same time as Steve. Do you want to be stuck with no PGs in 2 years?
Omaha's Christmas List:
Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).
The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.
A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.
Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.
Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.
I think that the position we are weak at is...
playmaker off the bench. While that doesn’t have to be a PG, it would be ideal if it was, as it would allow our normal sets to be run.
Monkey, you do have a point… not sure Miller would be down for playing backup.
Trade Warrick!!!
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