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Struggling Suns Looking For Big Win Vs. Detroit Pistons

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In some ways I feel like this is a statement game. The Phoenix Suns have been humiliated twice in the past few days and it would suck to end the year on a bad note with a loss to the (11-21) Pistons. I'm with a lot of you in that I feel like the Suns just need to get a win, any win to stop the bleeding. Another loss would just add salt to the wound and with what appears to be a now shaky, chemistry they can't afford much more of those. 

The former "Bad Boys" are coming off of an impressive win vs the Boston Celtics in which their starting PG Rodney Stuckey didn't play(probable for tonight's game- flu). Tracy McGrady utilized the point for them and collected 8 assist to go with his 21 points on a 7-11 shooting. He's been playing better recently and so has Chris Wilcox who collected 10 points and 8 rebounds on 4-4 shooting to follow up his 15 and 8 the night before in Charlotte. Not to mention Austin Daye who came off the bench for 12 points on 5-7 shooting. He's a nice, young big-man who can hit the three. These are guys that can hurt the Suns if they don't come prepared, or read the scouting reports... 

Star-divide

I was quite disappointed with the Suns the other night as most of you were; mainly the defense. According to Nash they were trying, but were quite hesitant due to not really getting the scheme. I thought Dudley said something interesting-

"Maybe it's film, maybe it's calling people out, maybe showing them what we have to do...We could defiantly talk a lot more, were over-thinking" 

Originally, I thought this was something they already did? I'd expect that they'd watch the film and the coach would call out specific players for their mistakes and show them how to fix it. I guess, that's not how all coaches are;  I never played organized basketball, so I'm not sure?

According to Dudley, he believes the awful defense is due to mental mistakes more so than effort. Nash kind of said the same thing. I think this is due to over-complicating the schemes. Whatever Gentry had them doing was just too much and the team just isn't ready for it. Apparently, he realized that too and has simplified his defensive plan. Hopefully, that works because they can't continue to expect to beat anybody if they let them shoot open jumpers, rebound missed shots and drive to the line with no fear. They played like a bunch of softies and they need to toughen up.

Maybe it's just me, but I want to see more emotion, more fire, more passion, more yelling, scrapping, banging... in their play and not the kind that comes from frustration, but the kind that comes from the heart and desire to win? The Suns need to get back that intensity they use to have last year. Lets face it, the starters miss Amar'e the bench misses Frye, but too bad, things change. They've officially got their backs to the wall and now everybody is calling them out-

The Suns are even worse on defense than you think- "I'm not sure people truly understand just how awful they've been this season"- Matt McHale

Sad thing is that it's true, no argument there. Things are going to get tough for the Suns now that the Media has finally noticed their historically, awful defense. However, they can't let that get to them. They have to be strong emotionally. They have to go out there and prove the doubters wrong. They need to play with an edge! Lol, I feel like they need to get a bit more "bad" or "rebellious". Somewhere a long the lines of this-

                                  

 

Well, I still have hope that they can turn things around and I believe they will. 

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The Phoenix Suns feel like they need to get this win tonight over the Detroit Pistons. They are right.

 

[Note by Seth Pollack, 12/31/10 12:39 PM MST ]

Some quick notes and quotes from shootaround:

Vince Carter:

"One game's not going to do it, I feel like I still need a few more but I feel more comfortable because of the practices but it's nothing like going through it at game speed. I feel like quarter-by-quarter I get more comfortable."

"Just playing against (the Suns) for so long you kind of have a feel for it. It's nothing like actually running the ins and outs of it, then you kind of see the big picture of what they're trying to accomplish. I say that because that's how I break down offenses. You can see plays run and be like, 'OK, fine. It's for him, it's for him, they're going to do this.' But when you see the big picture and reasons you're running it and why you have guys in particular positions, you (understand) it's a pretty good play. I've said that a couple of times."

"Just watching him (Tracy McGrady) the last couple of days he looks pretty good so he's back to his old self. I'm sure there's going to be some trash talking out there tonight," Carter said. "I'm just glad to see him back out there."

Alvin Gentry:

"Intensity level was a lot better yesterday. Not that we've not been playing hard, we've just been doing a poor job of containing guys and having guys drive by us. And it's not one guy, it's a couple here and there and a few more and a few more and before you know it it's too much for us to win a game on."

"I think we're playing hard. I think we're competing. I think we just have to do a better job of guarding the ball and keeping guys in front of us and doing a good job on screen and rolls."

"As I said to our guys, we still have a ton of game left to play but it's something that we need to get corrected because we're already trying to put three new guys into the mix and so that's going to take some getting used to. But defensively, we have to be better. We have to improve in that area right away."

"I wouldn't say frustrating. I would say I'm a little bit disappointed. But in defense of the guys too, we've tried to change a few things and do something differently because with the personnel that we originally had here we thought that would work best. That didn't work out so now we're going back to what we did originally with different personnel so it's been a little bit of a trying time for them too."

"I don't totally blame the players. I have to take some of the responsibility on that too because I changed what we were doing and thought it would work best for the guys we had here before we made the trade and now we're going to go back to what we were originally doing because I think it will help the guys that we have here now."

"I've been really happy with the focus and effort we've had down here (on the practice floor) but that's still got to translate to doing the job in the game. We'll get a gauge of it tonight."

"We're at simplicity where accountability is pretty easy to gauge. We're going to be a simplistic team that tries to be proactive. That's what we're going to be."

"We've got one thing thing we're going to do on screen and rolls, and post defense and isolations and things like that and we're not going to try and do three or four things."

"We've got to get back to keeping (teams) out of the 50 percent (shooting) range. It puts way way way too much pressure on the offense. If they're scoring every time it puts pressure on you to score every time. Somewhere along the line if you're getting stop it takes some of the pressure off your offense. We're very good offensively but we can't be that good."

"We've got to develop some consistency on the road and at home."

Will take a look at playing with a small line up with one big and three small guys and Steve.

Not certain the Warrick and Childress won't play. Go by feel based on match-ups. Those guys need to keep themselves ready to play which is difficult to do.

"I think he's (McGrady) played great. I watched the Boston game the other night and obviously he played really well in that game right there. He seems to be feeling a lot better and he's not an old guy. He's 31 years old, I think, so when he's healthy he's got a lot of basketball left in him."

Ben Gordon when he goes well, they go well and he plays well in this building.

"They've got five guys averaging in double-figures and that's all you need to know about them. There's not one guy you've got to zero in on, there's a bunch of guys you've got to do a good job on." 

"We've got to keep working on that situation right there to get the right people out there with (Dragic) and stuff. As I've said, he's got to play a little better but we're going to have to try and surround him with some guys that's going to make the game a little bit easier for him too."

 



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And, the winning streak starts.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 11:24 AM MST reply actions  

I went to the Grizz game and we lost in OT.

Went to the MIA game and we got owned.

I’m going tonight…I hope to see a diff result.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 31, 2010 12:18 PM MST reply actions  

Nooooooooooooooooooooo.........OOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo...........OOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo......

It’s all YOUR fault!

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

And Alex's too.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

They can talk all they want.

I’ll believe everything our players say when they DO everything they say they’re going to do. It’s all about action. We need this win tonight to stop the bleeding, as Beavis so rightly put it. I’m definitely tuning in tonight. I’ll join the game thread late, but hopefully when I do, our team is doing well.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP

by NashMV3 on Dec 31, 2010 12:22 PM MST reply actions  

No game thread for me.

The most depressing place on Earth – even when we win.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol, funny because it’s true.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm sorry you've been driven away.

I knew it was coming though.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I've found I can't enjoy the game when I'm outraged.

I’ll leave it to you, Omaha, to deal with people saying “This one’s over” in the first quarter. My New Year’s resolution is to avoid situation where my head might actually explode.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Not possible.

We all know you can’t give up BSotS, and there are so many head-exploding opportunities here.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Serenity now...escept in game threads.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Beavis with game previw...

nice work dude, I’ll consider this a good omen… if I believed in omens.

happy holidays everyone.

by 2NASHTY on Dec 31, 2010 12:27 PM MST reply actions  

I believe in 2NASHTY!

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey thanks.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe in Beavis!

Except when we argue.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, if you did it wouldn’t be an argument and what’s the fun in that?

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Arguing with you is like when I play raquetball -

I get a big lead, but wear down at the end.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

lol, I feel the same way some times.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

you guys don't do it right...

you’re supposed to end every argument with with “you suck”

happy holidays everyone.

by 2NASHTY on Dec 31, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

When will they ever learn?

By the way, you suck.

<3 you.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP

by NashMV3 on Dec 31, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

BWHAHAHA!!!!!

to any opinion you have

happy holidays everyone.

by 2NASHTY on Dec 31, 2010 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

My opinions are everything.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP

by NashMV3 on Dec 31, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

No,

I get a big lead then wear down. Not you – you suck.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

You suck too.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks.

But you suck.
Nyah.
I love you, man.
Suck. Boll. Whatever. You win.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I prefer the Big Lebowski end to arguments.

“You’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole!”

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, that would work with me.

Cuz I’m never wrong.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I watched that movie for the millionth time, at a friend's last night.

He told me that he and his wife actually use that line on each other.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m calmer than you are.

You can get with this, or you can get Gortat.

by RMason on Dec 31, 2010 3:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I wanna get a t-shirt like this.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

U know when u r a bad team when u consider a game with the lowly Detroit pistons as " a big game"

by Jeffrey Thompson on Dec 31, 2010 12:33 PM MST reply actions  

Alright crew...Time for us to roll up the sleeves and go to work..

Let’s Go Suns…I have a vow that I won’t drink again till we win and I am damn thirsty…

Let’s do the damn thing!!!!

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Dec 31, 2010 12:39 PM MST reply actions  

not me

I’ve vowed not to stop till they win…I haven’t walked in a straight line since….wait what were we talking about?

happy holidays everyone.

by 2NASHTY on Dec 31, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Salma Hayek.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

actually it was winning with Salma Hayek....

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Dec 31, 2010 11:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm going tonight too.

I’ll be pimping my new-old Amare jersey. Yay me!

Trade Warrick!!!

by jc79 on Dec 31, 2010 12:39 PM MST reply actions  

I still blame the losses on those gosh-darn new collars.

My home Steve Nash jersey with the old collar is so smexy.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP

by NashMV3 on Dec 31, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Hate the new collars even more than the WNBA like sleeves.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Anybody doing anything cool for New Years?

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 12:43 PM MST reply actions  

Watching the Suns win!

Staying home and avoiding Joe Arpaio will be the highlight, I think.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions   4 recs

dinner—>suns game—>post game meltdown thread

by ArizonaCactus on Dec 31, 2010 12:50 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Too cold for fireworks this year.

It would be lucky if the temperature is in positive numbers when the sun goes down tonight. Just watching the game online for me.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Posting some quotes from shootaround…nothing spectacular

Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Dec 31, 2010 12:48 PM MST reply actions  

Great!

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

nothing spectacular

perfect: that’s in my wheelhouse.

seriously, ask my wife.

by ArizonaCactus on Dec 31, 2010 12:56 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Seth, any insight on practices as to...

If they’ve been working with Dragic on how to beat the double-teams, traps, and pressures?

Also, any info on that trade idea you tweeted this morning (VC for Murphy & Farmar)? Was that just your opinion or was this something that you’ve heard rumblings about in the organization?

by 7footer on Dec 31, 2010 1:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Gentry refused to get specific on what he’s trying to do w/ Dragic other than having him play better and having him surrounded by the “right guys”.

As for the Carter to the Nets trade, that’s all my and my rosterbation.

Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Dec 31, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Your rosterbation includes Farmar?

It doesn’t have anything to do with his…ears…does it?

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

no comment

Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Dec 31, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks...

I was just hoping that maybe this trade was a real possibility…It seems to make a whole lot of sense for both teams. Maybe you can start a rumor about it and hope it catches wind!…lol

by 7footer on Dec 31, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Harris than Farmar.

But I wouldn’t mind Murphy.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

they aren’t giving up Harris for Vince

Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Dec 31, 2010 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I read it on the internet, Seth.

It must be true. They’re talking with the Bobcats, and he was also included in the Melo deal – they want to dump his salary. Internet=true – everybody know that.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Yesterday the internet said it was snowing in Phoenix but it didn’t snow on me and I was in Phoenix. Ergo, internet lies.

Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Dec 31, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

If a snowflake falls in Phoenix, and Seth doesn't feel it, is it still snowing?

Internet says “Yes”!
Magic 8 ball says “The answer is unclear at this time.”
Weathermen say “95% chance of snow in Phoenix.”
Wait – the Internet lies? But…I’m reading this on the Internet. Therefore you lie!
Illogical…Illogical…does not compute…initiate self destruct sequence….

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I think I did :)

But seriously, not sure on the Farmar part, but I really think Carter to the Nets for Murphy as the core of the deal makes a lot of sense for both teams. This can’t happen until the Nets are truly out of the Melo sweepstakes but once they lose out on him, why wouldn’t they take Vince back for the rest of the season w/ an option for next?

Actually, as I thought about it, Murphy and Farmar probably isn’t enough. I would think they would need to throw in a pick or two.

Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Dec 31, 2010 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Atta boy...Aim high!

Though secretly, I think Murphy and Farmar alone would be more than fair. This gives us both a viable PF with range, a back-up PG to help while Dragic is trying to figure things out, and solves our log-jam at the wing.

by 7footer on Dec 31, 2010 2:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

VC for Farmar and Murphy leave them about 3 mil short - they should give us a pick.

VC for Harris and Murphy leaves us about 3 mil short, so we should give them a pick.
VC for Murphy and Favors should work out about right – throw in Warrick, and we’re golden!
It is, after all, rosterbation.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

and why wouldn’t the Nets do this if they can’t get Melo?

Carter is the biggest name they could get their hands on and he would at least make that team better and bring in fans for the rest of the season. If it works out, they can keep him another year so it’s not like with Melo who is only under contract this season.

I am not a big rosterbator but this one makes so much sense to me.

Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Dec 31, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I tried rosterbating a few times...

But it was messy and left me feeling ashamed. You seem to have a knack for it though.

by 7footer on Dec 31, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

It could actually help them get Melo.

Denver is looking for Murphy’s expiring – VC’s is much bigger. Depending on which way they went, they might even get another pick to sweeten the deal, and clear another 8 mil to sign other players with. The Harris option is probably the best for them – I doubt they’d give up Favors if they were still going for Melo.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Quite an achievement luring Seth into a rosterbating session.

Congrats.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I honestly never thought I’d see the day.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

The Suns are 13-17, coming off of losses to the Clips and 76ers, they are desperate for a win against the lowly Pistons, the newly-acquired Polack center is calling his new teammates out for being girly men, and yet… I’m pumped for this game.

Damn it feels good to be a Suns fan.

You can get with this, or you can get Gortat.

by RMason on Dec 31, 2010 1:01 PM MST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

If we lose, I expect the scene around here to be pretty much like this.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Indeed

and at least 5 trade proposal threads in 3 hours….

by AcucracK on Dec 31, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

2 of them by Bkj.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

“We’ve got to keep working on that situation right there to get the right people out there with (Dragic) and stuff. As I’ve said, he’s got to play a little better but we’re going to have to try and surround him with some guys that’s going to make the game a little bit easier for him too.”

I’m glad that Coach Gentry is taking responsibly and giving Dragic a break on his recent play. Porter would have crushed his confidence. Goran just needs to think less and try and adjust to his teammates.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 1:03 PM MST reply actions  

yes

but it’s still a disappointment that the coach has to put him on the floor with guys that make it easier for him…normally, it’s the point guard’s job to make it easier for his teammates.

Goran’s certainly had a set-back over the past few weeks after such a strong start.

Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Dec 31, 2010 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

First home game I'm missing this season.

Losing my chance to see T-Mac v. VC in person is crushing.

RIP Seasons of Discontent

by Scott Howard on Dec 31, 2010 1:11 PM MST reply actions  

Shout out to the Teen Wolf.

Big ups, T.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP

by NashMV3 on Dec 31, 2010 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

about the poll

Dennis Rodman should have been elected to the Hall of Fame long ago. He was the best rebounder of his time and one of the best defenders,. His idiotic personal life is irrelevant.

by 8472species on Dec 31, 2010 1:33 PM MST reply actions  

And to boot, not only was his basketball IQ obviously very high (probably worthy of Steve Nash), but he was very wise about the state of the NBA, and refused to be under David Stern’s thumb.

by 8472species on Dec 31, 2010 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he only became eligible as of two years ago? He’s been nominated, but has yet to make it. I hope he does this summer because he said he’ll do something crazy at his Hall of Fame speech and that’s a speech I don’t want to miss!

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 1:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Crazy....

like smoking a joint, receiving oral sex under the podium while giving his speech, as a monster truck comes roaring through the parking lot crushing spectator cars?

by AcucracK on Dec 31, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Am I the only one who ignores his ridiculous behavior because he was such a great player?

by 8472species on Dec 31, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Probably.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

No I think he should be in the Hall of Fame

I also used to admire his play on the court when I was younger and tired to model my game around his hustle on defense and rebounding. He is a crazy person off the court but on the court he was an amazing athlete.

by AcucracK on Dec 31, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

He was crazy on the court too.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

But he did his job with no ego. He was the ultimate role player.

by 8472species on Dec 31, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

It should be a good game to make a new start!

There are a lot of story lines here. T-Mac & Vinsanity. New defensive scheme. It’s in Phoenix against a bad team, after losing to 2 mediocre teams… This is as must-win as any game this early in the season can be. And they better win comfortably. Go Suns! Let’s end 2010 on a bright note and set up an improved 2011.

by psknapp on Dec 31, 2010 1:36 PM MST reply actions  

oh, yeah...McGrady

So Vince Carter will guard his cousin.

by 8472species on Dec 31, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow, I forgot they were cousins.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

And they’re somewhat similar to each other, too. They’re both extremely athletic shooting guards, and both known for varying degrees of self-centeredness and for not being there when their teams need them most (though McGrady can sort of blame injuries).

by 8472species on Dec 31, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Grant Hill for 30+

Steve Nash for 20+ and 15+ assists. You guys really need to win this one. Don’t turn into the Clippers!

by poorwebguy on Dec 31, 2010 1:55 PM MST reply actions  

I personally do not care how many points the Suns win this by. If they play well but win by one, that will be acceptable.

by 8472species on Dec 31, 2010 2:38 PM MST reply actions  

I'll be there

Right behind the scorer’s table; will be posting any good shouting, yelling, berating, etc I hear

by Dantre on Dec 31, 2010 3:34 PM MST reply actions  

Nice! I hope Steve Nash doesn't get so angry that he repeats my new sig line.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Steve Nash's current Facebook status.

Steve Nash
You guys are amazing… this is really hard
7 minutes ago

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 4:05 PM MST reply actions  

lolwut

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 31, 2010 4:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually, have no ideal what he’s talking about.

Is he disappointed in the fans because they keep panicking and don’t realize how hard for them it is?

Or is he complimenting the fans on sticking with the team through these hard times?

Gosh, it could go either way.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he's saying

Thanks to his fans for their support through this difficult time.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Never mind. He was talking about selecting a winner for a contest he had started previously.

“You guys are amazing” = 100s of people submitted why they are Suns fans to try to win tickets to tonight’s game. “This is really hard” = it’s hard to pick a winner.

My bad. I missed his earlier post. Nothing like lacking context!!

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

OMG!!!!

Nash is going to Miami!!!!!

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 4:22 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

Belly-laugh,

as you are so fond of saying. Thanks hare.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 4:22 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd. Exactly what I was thinking.

I wish we could delete our comments here. I’d like this one to just go away.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Nash going to Miami will be on Yahoo Sports in 3....2....1...now.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 4:34 PM MST up reply actions  

OK. I can still make chicken salad out of this.

Nash held a contest on his FB page where people sent in why they’re the biggest Suns fan out there, with the winner getting tickets to tonight’s game. The winner was Erika Hartley. She wrote:

Erika Hartley Hey Steve! My little 7-year-old with autism, Hunter, is a HUGE Suns fan and he’d LOVE to go to the game. One of the few things we can get him to say (And I swear this is true) is GO STEVE NASH! He also says, GO LB!! (He doesn’t really get that LB has been traded.) But he LOVES watching the games. It’s one place he can go and jump and make noise and be himself without people looking at him sideways. Good luck tonight!

Nice story right there.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions   4 recs

Ok, you’ve redeemed yourself.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, but did you hear about the Nash trade?

I heard that after he went off on the refs the other night, he went up to Sarver’s office and f*****g puched Sarver in the motherf*****g face.
Seriously.
Read it on the Internetz.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 5:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Ze Internetz - wherez Trollz runz wildz.

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP

by NashMV3 on Dec 31, 2010 6:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I wonder if Nash is a little embarassed by his F bomb-laden outburst the other night.

Sure, he’s passionate and doesn’t mind us all knowing that, but it doesn’t seem like he wants to project an image of himself as a hothead who unleashes profanity-laced tirades. I have to think he doesn’t appreciate the way that became national news.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 6:17 PM MST up reply actions  

How ironic.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 6:25 PM MST up reply actions  

How so?

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

The one using said profanity-laden outburst questions whether or not Nash appreciates it becoming a story.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair enough. What do you think of it?

It was a story whether I use it or not.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 6:41 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s the one downside of BSOTS. What happens here, stays here…forever.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

In fact, 6 months from now we can go back and pull out every stupid thing that you’ve said out of the archives and humiliate you once again. I won’t do it though, I’m too nice for that. Haremoor on the other hand? He’s probably been saving all the stupid things I’ve said and waiting for the right moment to bring them back and shove them in my face.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 4:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh, there's a post in the works.

It’s not easy being Beavis. :-P"

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

A kid in my english class is doing just that. He has a page in his notebook where he writes down any stupid quotes or crazy stories someone brings up. His last name is Dudzinski, and we call him Dudz.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 5:31 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Dec 31, 2010 5:40 PM MST up reply actions  

@ East Bay Ray

Well, have Suns fans really been sticking with their team through everything? I don’t mean BSOS people; I mean everybody. Even for a metro area with four professional sports teams, the Suns don’t appear to have a rabid fan base, nothing like the people whose enthusiasm led to Veterans’ Memorial Coliseum being nicknamed the “Madhouse on McDowell.” (I won’t try to use the Charles Barkley years as a standard; that would be unfair.) And someone here recently reported that the crowds at US Airways Center aren’t very loud. Is it not true? Am I wrong? I wish.

by 8472species on Dec 31, 2010 5:30 PM MST reply actions  

I can't really answer that question.

Some fans stick around and some bail out at the first signs of tough times. If Nash was talking to his Facebook followers, it’s probably true that they are some of his most loyal supporters.

I grew up in Phoenix, and left there in 1994, going back to visit family 2-3 times per year now. Phoenix has changed drastically in those 16 years, and the sports landscape is one of the things that has changed. When I was growing up, the Suns were the only pro major pro team in town (AAA baseball doesn’t count), so the Suns and Sun Devils had incredibly dedicated fan bases. They were the only games in town. If you were a sports fan, you were a Suns and Devils fan. Now, the Cardinals and D-Backs are in town, as well as the Coyotes. Cable and satellite TV allows fans to watch a huge variety of games, so the sports fan has many more options now.

Attendance at games is not a good barometer, IMO. I’m more of a “watch the game on TV” fan, and not just because I don’t live in Phoenix. The game is more comfortable from my couch, I can follow along watching in HD just as well as at the game, the food and drinks are cheaper and better, the bathroom is much closer, and never a long line! And, of course, there’s the cost issue. NBA game tickets are expensive! If somebody can’t afford to go, or just wants to use their limited financial resources on something else, I can’t fault them or indict a team’s fanbase because of it, especially in this down economy.

"I'm going to f*****g punch one of these motherf*****s in the face!"
~Steve Nash

by East Bay Ray on Dec 31, 2010 5:56 PM MST up reply actions  

You’re right. I’m expecting too much of people.

by 8472species on Dec 31, 2010 6:02 PM MST up reply actions  

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