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BOLL: Random musings on the Point Forward and team construction

So, as I was sitting here mulling the various ways that we could blow up this team, because we really, truly, suck right now, I began thinking about what sort of team construction we should have in the future.

This led me to examining the championship teams of years past, and I noticed something that struck me - a really high % of these championship teams had a point Forward rather than a traditional PG.  First, I thought it might be the Phil Jackson effect:

Jordan's Bulls - 6 championships with Scottie Pippen essentially running the point.  You didn't think John Paxon was running the point, did you?

Kobe's Lakers - 2 chips with Lamar Odom initiating the offense, and 3 with some combination of Rick Fox, Robert Horry, and Brian Shaw running the top of the strong side.  Does that make anyone else physically ill, or is it just me?  Derek Fisher essentially is a wing shooter who also sets goods screens for a guard.

Then I noticed that some other teams did really well with a point forward.

The Celtics of the 80's had Larry Bird sharing duties at running the point.

The showtime Lakers ran a real PG, right?  But Magic was 6'9" and played the other 4 positions as well as PG.  Magic is effectively a point forward, even though he was listed at PG.

Olajuwon's Rockets had Sam Cassell for their PG, but it was Robert Horry initiating the halfcourt sets feeding Hakeem Olajuwon the ball.  Cassell primarily did what a shooting guard would for this team - make plays in isolation when the shot clock was winding down.  Yeah, Sam, we see your balls.

KG's Celtics had Rondo, but they made their championship push in his rookie season, with Paul(ette) Pierce doing a lot of the handling, especially in crunch time.

That just leaves the double-Wallace Pistons (Billups), Duncan's Spurs (Parker), and the Bad Boy Pistons (Isiah Thomas).  Billups and Parker are scorers first, leaving Isiah as the only proto-typical distributing PG of the last 25 years to win a championship (!).  One other thing - all these teams hung their hat on defense, none were known as elite offensive teams.

 Even the teams that  didn't quite make it there, in recent years...LeBron made it all the way to finals with little backup. 

And yes, Orlando was at it's best with Hedo handling the rock; not Jameer Nelson.

BOLL indeed.

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I submit Marcin Gortat as our new point forward...

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Dec 31, 2010 12:42 PM MST reply actions  

Just for that, I submit Boris Diaw.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I submit Boll. Oh wait...

"I'm just like you, but ten times better." - Steve Nash, 2-Time MVP

by NashMV3 on Dec 31, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I submit Grant Hill.

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley

by Jaxis on Dec 31, 2010 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Grant is one of the few guys in the league who could do it

My post wasn’t really meant to drive at that, though. Like the title says, it was basically some random thoughts, & I figured I’d share.

“In most parts of the galaxy, human though is considered to be a contagious disease.”

Trade Warrick!!!

by jc79 on Dec 31, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I've always been a fan of versatile players and especially point-forwards.

Iggy, Diaw, LeBron, and Grant are all players that I enjoy watching.

I also enjoy watching pure-PGs, so I guess I just like guys who like to pass.

Omaha's Christmas List:

Anthony Tolliver to get healthy and resume doing this (see picture).

The Suns to go on a tear with their new parts.

A healthy Green Bay Packers team for a deep playoff run.

Gregory Echenique to become the love-child of Charles Barkley and Dikembe Mutombo.

Bubba Starling to say "Screw baseball" and head to Lincoln to take Taylor Martinez's job.

by Omaha Sun on Dec 31, 2010 4:20 PM MST reply actions  

Yeah. We need us some of that!

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Dec 31, 2010 9:43 PM MST up reply actions  

So true

and you also get inconsistency. Sometimes he’ll play really well and help the team win games and others he’ll just disappear completely.

"You need to get real!"

by MJ5 on Dec 31, 2010 10:12 PM MST up reply actions  

But we will also get double the French pleasure in Pietrus & Diaw...

Makes me want to grab a half dozen croissants and make like Diaw in 2007….

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Dec 31, 2010 11:13 PM MST reply actions  

We have Gortat: the CENTERPOINT .

He has a good offensive awareness and can find open teammates.

by shawndy on Dec 31, 2010 11:16 PM MST reply actions  

He'll work out as the white Lamar Odom,

But, I have a feeling we missed out on the next Scottie Pippen when we released Earl Barron…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, I'm thankful!

by Daryl Ray on Dec 31, 2010 11:21 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

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