Blazers Prove Again They Can Beat Phoenix Suns In Regular Season
Forget the reffing. Forget how much you're sick of the Blazers fighting and shoving the Phoenix Suns and ultimately getting the benefit of the calls.
Forget how many bruises Nash is going to have tomorrow (oh yeah, its a back-to-back tomorrow!). Forget that the Phoenix Suns made Aldridge and Roy look good, despite neither of them playing that well on their own.
It's tough for the Phoenix Suns to win when 3 of their rotation players fail to show up to the game. They lost 106-99.
Hakim Warrick forgot his aggressiveness in Phoenix. He had one - one! - pick-n-roll finish in the entire game. In fact, he had more airballs than baskets.
Jason Richardson failed to show up for this game. He collected more fouls than baskets. His head just was not in this game, except for a 1-minute stretch to start the third quarter where he had 4 of his 6 points. Ugh. In fact, his terrible play allowed the Blazers to put a big, physical guy on Nash during key stretches which slowed the offense to a halt.
But the capper, the biggest reason the Suns lost this game: Goran Dragic.
If you think I'm being unfair, you were not watching the game.
Not only was Dragic a -10 in this game, he killed the momentum over and over again. Offensive fouls, travelling calls, missed shots, and NO aggressive drives to the hoop for a hard layup. It's like Dragic had no interest in the physicality of the game.
And worse than all that? Dragic's horrible presence at the start of the fourth - allowing the Blazers to cut a 9-point lead to 2 in only 2.5 minutes - forced Gentry's hand.
Nash had to come back in at the 9:18 mark. And we all know what that means.
Nash loses steam on too many minutes.
From the 4:31 mark to the 0:39 mark, the Suns scored ONE point on 9 possessions. ONE. And that was a 1-for-2 at the free throw line by Earl Barron.
Here are those possessions: block, shot clock violation, steal, offensive foul, missed 3-pointer, missed 9-footer, missed 3-pointer, missed free throw, MADE free throw, steal.
There's 3 really bad things here. (1) bad possessions, (2) too few possessions (stagnant, half-court) and (3) no offensive rebounds!
In fact, the Suns had only 2 offensive rebounds all game. That's just terrible. That's lack of movement, big-time.
Give it up to the Blazers for once again forcing this issue, playing hard defense, and making Steve Nash really, really tired. In the latter, that's taking a page right out of the Spurs old playbook. Wear Nash down and the end of the 4th quarter is theirs.
And that's what happened. Again.
(Of course, these are only regular season games. Before Christmas. They don't erase the wonderful beatdown in the playoffs a few months ago. Playoffs matter most. The Suns have 2 home games left against the Blazers to even this score.)
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The bench
has been confusing me. Childress and Warrick should never go one on one against their defender. Yet they seem to get those opportunities time and time again (especially Hakim). The bench’s offense should be Goran P&R with Warrick, followed by Turkoglo getting a touch, followed by a Goran P&R with Warrick, wash, rinse, repeat. Why is Warrick taking 18 foot jumpers out of the post? So frustrating to watch.
Why shouldn’t they go one-on-one? They’re athletic enough.
by 8472species on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 PM MST up reply actions
Because there's better options on the floor
I don’t mind them going one on one every now and then.. but when was the last time Dragic and Warrick consistently ran the pick and roll together? You hardly ever see it anymore. With Hedo, Dragic, and Childress out there, they’ve got adequate spacing. You run that, and then let Hedo create. Those two plays should be the majority of the bench’s offense. IMO
i don't think them going one on one occasionally is bad... especially if a smaller player switches on them or the matchup dictates such
"The problem …is that young players, by their nature, always make mistakes. Always. Losing teams with a future in mind can just trot out the kids and let them learn on the job, and if they make mistakes so what, they aren’t going anywhere."
~Erick Blasco
I don't mind Chilly going one-on-one at all.
When he gets a mismatch he usually knows how to capitalize.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
amazing... all those negatives... no JRich, no Dragon, no Hak, Frye fouls out.... and PHX only loses by 7?...amazing...
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
amazing... all those negatives... no Miller, no Oden, Roy hobbled, Przy rusty, Rudy fouls out... and PDX wins by 7? ...amazing...
by MadBlaze on Dec 7, 2010 11:44 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Oden isn’t a viable excuse. The guy has hardly played for them. In fact him being in the game would probably help our cause more than hurt it.
Don't trade Dudley!
Disagree with you there
When he’s on the court he has a major impact
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
yeah your right because we handle huge guys who can rebound really well...
"The problem …is that young players, by their nature, always make mistakes. Always. Losing teams with a future in mind can just trot out the kids and let them learn on the job, and if they make mistakes so what, they aren’t going anywhere."
~Erick Blasco
not so amazing, really, when home-cooking gets you 15 extra made FTs...
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 7, 2010 11:46 PM MST up reply actions
i wish to express my heartfelt appreciation to you...
for having the courage and fortitude to convey your opinions at this juncture in time on our splendid little blog. We are oh so delighted that you have deigned to take this opportunity to regale us with your rapier wit and repartee. May you continue to bedazzle us with your sublime contributions to the jovial atmosphere that has been established at this time. Hopefully, joyfully, we will demonstrate as much class and style as you in the future. Do you often crash wakes and funerals? Enjoy the post-memorial meal, do we?
Sorry that you do not have Steve Nash or Grant Hill, nor anyone 1/10th as elegant.
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 8, 2010 12:17 AM MST up reply actions 9 recs
I'm surprised someone who can put together such high falutin' prose would use such an unoriginal, moronic argument
You lost, so it must be the refs fault. Of course!
Yeah, originality is important
I love how Greg Oden keeps his season ending injuries fresh, tearing his ACL twice would just be too boring.
by hcblankscreen on Dec 8, 2010 12:49 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh
His right knee has been fine since micro in 07, no reason to think his left knee won’t be after this one. You could argue it needed to happen a while back.
He’ll be fine. Thanks for trying another unoriginal line of argument though. You guys continue to underwhelm me.
Man you sure are getting juiced up about a regular season win
I’d hate to see you after winning an actual playoff series. Guess I don’t really have to worry about that though…
by hcblankscreen on Dec 8, 2010 1:04 AM MST up reply actions
You should know
The guy running this place is the biggest troll on SBN
by MadBlaze on Dec 8, 2010 1:11 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey Hey cut it out ... neither of your teams are contenders

…
do I need to say I’m kidding? Because I am.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gil Meriken on Dec 8, 2010 1:14 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you a staff or what on SS&R??
Very unethical sir..!
Is that guy 28 or 38?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 8, 2010 1:24 AM MST up reply actions
Did I mention I was kidding around?
Because I am
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
It hurts because he's totally right.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
May I ask the reason for her being a hero ????
Is She Hedo’s Wife ?
On the Gani Lawal Bandwagon.
Suns Future All-Star
Mark these words........
It's been reported that she vetoed signing with Portland
thus causing Hedo to take his talents to Toronto instead.
Then why do you boo him?
Stupid fans?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd like Roy's knee
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Dec 8, 2010 11:02 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd for wonderful wordplay
I'm hitching a ride on the Earl Clark bandwagon with Larfleeze and Bkj and serving as navigator.
I had no idea Steve Nash directed "How to train your Dragon".
This warning should have been posted last night.
Before any of you fed the Blazer trolls.

"I'm sort of a pessimist about tomorrow and an optimist about the day after tomorrow." ~Eric Sevareid
by East Bay Ray on Dec 8, 2010 2:07 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Really, did you have to Feed the Troll™? I know it was no flame war, but I wasted my time scrolling through the back-and-forth.
by 8472species on Dec 8, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
stop fouling us at the end of the game and we wouldn't have so many more FT's
the fact that we made them, has noting to do with home-cooking
#52
Does this allow me to troll your site after we beat you in three days?
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 8, 2010 12:19 AM MST up reply actions

Don’t worry, I’m sure Portland will get another shot at a number one pick soon enough. I mean, those happen like every other year, right?
Boll.
by waxmonkey on Dec 8, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Jesus, come and talk all the trash you want
Just remember that your number 1 pick is a broken man, and you just maxed out a one legged Paul Pierce impersonator.
by hcblankscreen on Dec 8, 2010 12:31 AM MST up reply actions
You chose to take Hedo for 10 mil a year after you knew he was awful
Also….Warrick and Frye for 48 million? You should definitely chastise us about giving out bad contracts, you know something about that.
Well, the 19 mil we're spending per year for those 3 players includes 6 good knees.
I feel bad for Portland about Roy – he’s a class act.
You’re not.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
by haremoor on Dec 8, 2010 6:20 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
oh and this is just regular season
in December, no less
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
he's got us there with the hedo thing... warrick was cheap... frye was an ok signing given his upside and fit in this system.... but yeah hedo was a pretty gay signing
"The problem …is that young players, by their nature, always make mistakes. Always. Losing teams with a future in mind can just trot out the kids and let them learn on the job, and if they make mistakes so what, they aren’t going anywhere."
~Erick Blasco
Trade.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
$7 mil LB -> $10 mil Hedo.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its cool...
at least the Suns aren’t on a downward spiral of self-loathing and injury. Same old story. Same old Portland. What is your record again?
Reading is good...
You asked
I answered. It’s funny to me because I hadn’t realized how close it was until you asked. We just lost 6 in a row…
Just my thoughts,
I think this game goes to prove that we really need J-Rich to win. He had an off night.
Warrick is like Boris Diaw all over again only his contract ain’t that bad, what a relief.
Dragic was bad, he’s been pretty inconsistent too and I’m not sure why. I think Turk has actually played better than him overall this season so far. However, that’s not to say that Dragic’s play has been bad all season. He’s been decent and I think he will get it together. Turk has played well considering his circumstances, but he’s still struggling to find his role with this team.
Dudley’s had a few good games in a row. He must be eating more.
Still impressed with Earl Barron. He sucks offensively more so than Lou and he’s not a great rebounder like we want him to be, but he does do a lot of the small things and he’s actually a good defender.
I’m really liking Channing Frye this year, however he doesn’t rebound well enough for me to be satisfied with him as a starter. Him starting has really hurt our bench, but we kind of have no choice.
It’s still early in the season and I expect inconsistency to continue. It may be a while before we get a 5+game winning streak or win 8 out of 10 games.
Why is it that we can’t beat teams with long, skinny guys?
Don't trade Dudley!
by Beavis 25 on Dec 7, 2010 11:38 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Agree/Disagree
Dudley’s had a few good games in a row. He must be eating more.
Whatever he’s been eating the last week or so is a big improvement. Most of the beginning of the season he was eating sh*t.
Turk has played well considering his circumstances, but he’s still struggling to find his role with this team.
Given the circumstance that he’s making $10 million a year I think he’s been playing like what Dudley was eating at the beginning of the season.
Never confuse activity with achievement.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 8, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
Are you saying he just had a bad game rather than not showing up, as Mr. Laugan said? That would be completely different.
by 8472species on Dec 8, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
We out-rebounded them by 10.
We out shot them 50.7% to 44.6%. We shot 50% from 3 to their 33.3%. But they shot 97% from the line – 32 out of 33 to our 17-21.
I need to go find my lucky coffee cup.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
And fill that cup with scotch - and drink it.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
repeat after me, put that in your post instead of, 'we out rebounded them by ten.'
because that statement is false. duh!
#52
Team rebounds count towards your rebound total.
So ‘we outrebounded them by 10’ is accurate.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Suns free throw defense
was deplorable right after people were giving them kudos for their great effort to this point.
I hope they defend the charity stripe better tonight against Memphis.
Never confuse activity with achievement.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 8, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
@Haremoor
I am drinking whiskey of a plastic cup RIGHT NOW.
Drowning my sorrows in ale.
On the Gani Lawal Bandwagon.
Suns Future All-Star
Mark these words........
Dragic Oh Dragic !!!!!!!
On the Gani Lawal Bandwagon.
Suns Future All-Star
Mark these words........
We gave them 8 free throws in the last 43 seconds.
As to Josh and Warrick maybe they would have scoed more if they had been given the ball more. Running everything through Nash does not work. The 18 foot shots by Warrick were silly but its Gentry’s job to tell Warrick to post up.
Gentry tries his best but that is not very good.
At the end of the season last year I said here that he had to be replaced.
Here we are
You said Gentry needed to be replaced
After taking us 6 games into the WCF?
Really?
by TheAlexSkinner on Dec 8, 2010 12:46 AM MST up reply actions
You do remember Gentry starting the Laker series with the no defense running garbage. You do not win in the finals playing that way. We wasted the first 2 games with that nonsense. Gentry essentially said tonight it would be all Nash fourth quarter. Warrick should have been told that his job was to post up. Josh if he is allowed to play can create his own shot. If he is not given minutes or the ball he can not do anything..
Gentry sees Hill, Nash and Frye. He needs to see a team. By the way I always liked Dragic but maybe it is time to start looking around. For many years we played with no real back up point guard. It is starting to look like those days are back.
I'm so glad you can do it better
how’s your high paid NBA coaching job coming along? Oh wait, I forgot. the NBA doesn’t pay for 20/20 hindsight.
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
How is it hindsight?Before the Lake series began I was posting here begging for a focus on defense. just fairly standard game theory to stay flexible. and use every asset.. Portland does not matter. Their knack of drafting players known to be injury prone has seen to that. But the Suns can make the playoffs but not making silly mistakes
It's definitely hindsight.
I would know.
by General Hindsight on Dec 8, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
You also don't do it when you are, essentially, in rebuilding mode...
give the guy a break. No one could do better with the pieces we have right now.
Reading is good...
that is assinine... i watch a ton of basketball and gentry is a good coach... probably somewhere around 10th best in the league imo
"The problem …is that young players, by their nature, always make mistakes. Always. Losing teams with a future in mind can just trot out the kids and let them learn on the job, and if they make mistakes so what, they aren’t going anywhere."
~Erick Blasco
i take full credit for us losing this game
I FORGOT TO PUT ON MY LUCKY PURPLE SHORTS! we’re 3-0 so far with those shorts
"One deep fried avocado, please." = famous last words
Guys
I have seen every Suns game since Nash came. Tonight it was apparent that Nate was going to run Nash to death. He played 3 different men on him full court. He was bumped,tripped,hacked and pushed down. I don’t know how 3 refs. could have let this go on all game. I know the blazers are rough and like to push and shove. This game was took from the Suns. I’d like to see some payback when they come to town late this week.
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
ya, I noticed that too
Mcmilan is kind of a thug and he passes it on to the team.
And you know it works as tonite demonstrated. But it is very distasteful and manipulativve. and I would rather cheer for our guys. rather than have to cheer for his ugly tactcs.
thats just the old Spurs tactic
that always worked well in the playoffs
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
its a great tactic... if we are going to cry about teams pressing us then we are pretty sad and really have no chance...
when they were pressing just get the ball out of his hands and to another ball handler and then reset the offense across half court… there are many ways to make a press pay… none of which we did
"The problem …is that young players, by their nature, always make mistakes. Always. Losing teams with a future in mind can just trot out the kids and let them learn on the job, and if they make mistakes so what, they aren’t going anywhere."
~Erick Blasco
Frye's sixth foul I thought had a huge impact on the game.
First… It was a dumb call. Ok… got that off my chest.
Second, it took Frye out of the game… so we had to put BLOU in, killing our offense.
Third, it took away 2 points, and any momentum we had, allowing Portland to run rampant for a few minutes.
Peyton Manning= Better.
Live in the current moment
Hey Alex, a regular season game played in the current season matters more than a playoff series played in a past season.
by ToplessBlazerDancer3000 on Dec 8, 2010 1:49 AM MST reply actions
Last post season was special for the Suns
Let them count those wins instead. We’ll clue them in when the playoffs start and they’re 11th in the conference.
Given that Portland is 11th right now...
I suppose that at the end of the year you will be…what…18th in the west? Is there even an 18th spot??
Reading is good...
We'll know when we get there
and it’s pretty up in the air. We just suffered through a 6 game slide. Strangely enough, that puts us at #9 in the conference…directly below the Suns.
So strange....
WTH??
We’ll know when we get there
No you dont. You know nothing. You can’t. If anything, Roy gets continually worse as the season progresses. You suffered through a 6 game slide because your coach sucks and the players don’t respect him. And if sliding from 2nd in the West to 9th (just behind the Suns) makes you happy then you got some seriously tinted rose colored glasses on.
Just don’t bring that stupid weak-@$$ optimism to another teams site.
Reading is good...
We will know when we get there
How could we not know at that point? That doesn’t make sense.
We could very well end up a lottery team…I won’t know until we get there.
Why would a 6 game slide make me happy?
WTH??
Was actually wondering the same about you
Was thinking drunk by lunch time is pretty impressive.
When we get to the end of the season I’ll know where we are. I’m not a psychic. We’ve gone .250 in the last 8 games but it’s still fairly early in the season.
lets just agree we're all drunk
or should say we are, with how touchy we’ve been
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
wonderful beatdown
I love the style too, integrating animosity right into the write-up after a defeat. It’s currently not clear whether Portland or Phoenix has the better NBA team, but that sure isn’t the case when it comes to the quality of the SB Nation blog.
by ToplessBlazerDancer3000 on Dec 8, 2010 1:59 AM MST reply actions
But it's crystal clear which NBA team has the most vitriolic fanbase
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Dec 8, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Good use of vitriolic
I was going to say d-baggyest, or most bitter, or troll-iest, or homerish, or basketball-inept, or some other awkward phrase that attempted to convey my disgust.
Whats really sad is that my wife is from Portland and so, by all rights, I should be a moderate fan. But interacting with their fans in the last few years has really put a bad taste in my mouth for the whole team in general.
Reading is good...
Exactly
I used to really like the team… but because of the fanbase my disgust grows for everything Porland reaching Laker-hatred territory
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Dec 8, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I have a friend here in Omaha who is a POR fan and I talk to a POR fan on another messageboard.
They’re good people. I try to focus on them when I see the onslaught by the BEdge people.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
remember this?


the platinum rule
NO Gasol, NO Shaq equals NO Championship.
by Christian_33 on Dec 8, 2010 2:22 AM MST reply actions 10 recs
I feel better now
Is that guy 28 or 38?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 8, 2010 2:28 AM MST up reply actions
then we traded him. and then he got traded again.
i get that its just a regular season game, but it seems like this blog is making a bigger deal about it than anyone else. yeah you beat us in the playoffs last year but that was a different team. and no one ever said that this regular season win trumps the playoffs.
whos making a big deal out of it
when you’re the one trolling this blog to gloat? I’m keeping all discussion on the SUNS blog.
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
by Alex Laugan on Dec 8, 2010 6:41 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
He means
His blazer buddies are making this a big deal on our blog. That’s definitely what that means right there, trust me, I speak troll.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Hogwarts
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
You don't need to go to school for that.
All you do is grunt and point.
I'm hitching a ride on the Earl Clark bandwagon with Larfleeze and Bkj and serving as navigator.
I had no idea Steve Nash directed "How to train your Dragon".
To be fair
Sun’s write-ups tend to bait trolling. You have to know this…unless I’m giving you too much credit.
This would make sense, if Suns’ write-ups were posted on Portland blogs.
Boll.
by waxmonkey on Dec 8, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Wait, what?
How did that come off in the write up? I mean, clearly there was a serious foul shot differential and anyone watching the game can say that it was referreed poorly. But most of the article was about how the Suns players failed, not how the refs won the game for Portland.
Don’t be an idiot.
Reading is good...
so can we beat good teams?
sure, every now and then, but that doesn’t do it for me… is FO considering any trade? we need to do something, fighting for no8 is pretty boring actually…
how about joining forces, lol
if we had the blazers roster with steve and hill… wow.
hey, on the BRIGHTSIDE the SUNS...
ONLY gave up 106 points… that’s better than average amirite
Trade John Canzano
dragic and turkoglu
If Dragic can’t handle the ball, let Hedo do it. Thats why we got him isn’t it so we could make Steve a spotup shooter? Then do the same for Dragic
Very Kind of the B-Edge fans to visit our site
And give us their informed / cultivated and logical opinions. Wish we see you in the Playoffs this year, as unlikely as it may seem. (‘coz I don’t see them making the playoffs this year)
Your feedback is appreciated. Now get the hell out and stay out. Let us wallow in our sorrow / loss / excuses / homerism.
Hummphhh
On the Gani Lawal Bandwagon.
Suns Future All-Star
Mark these words........
by SS21 on Dec 8, 2010 5:38 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Don't worry about it.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
And for them to fault us for blaming the refs, after last year’s playoffs – priceless.
But that’s allright. We have Nash, they have…Miller.
We have hope. They have…a regular season win.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
by haremoor on Dec 8, 2010 6:30 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Wow amazed at all the Blazer
hate. Slow night in Portland I guess.
When J Rich is off, the Suns can’t afford to have Chill, Dragic and Warrick disappear. They combined for 7 points in 26 minutes.
48 Hours get them again, lets see what the outcome is. 20 some games into the season, a lot of ball left Blazer fans.
Oh leave the soccer moms be…they obviously cut the orange slices well and got to do that little tunnel of love thing after the game.
After losing 7 straight before beating the mighty Clips and then the Bully Suns, they deserve their moment of gloaty
Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Dec 8, 2010 8:40 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
You are the biggest troll on all the interwebs Seth
If that’s your real name…
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
and if it weren't
do you think i would tell that it’s not???
Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Dec 8, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
It's Stan,
duh!
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yah
they deserve it. bully suns? lol
Is that guy 28 or 38?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 8, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
Unfortunately
You have a couple of "writer"s that like to bait other fans. Something you’ll have to get used to.
by poorwebguy on Dec 8, 2010 11:37 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
yes but
True baiting is dropping it in YOUR lake and then drawing you back here with it.
This bait is laid out in OUR own lake. You have climb out of your water, flop over the hill (gasping for air as you go) and drop into OUR lake in search of the bait to even find it. At that point, yes. It’s bait.
Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun
by Alex Laugan on Dec 8, 2010 11:44 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
You do know this is a blog right?
I understand the point you’re trying to make but the blogosphere really doesn’t work this way. Blog posts spread through email updates, google alerts, trending on twitter and news feeds.
We have Sun’s fans that come to BE too. No big deal…expected. They’re usually alright too.
by poorwebguy on Dec 8, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Right. They are. They are respectful, for the most part
Which is why its so ridiculous when PDX fans come over here after a loss and raise ridiculous points that are complete non-sequitors to the issues we as PHX fans are trying to deal with.
Reading is good...
I can understand that
Same thing happens on BE but usually it’s worse when the Suns win. BSotS likely gets a little more because the writers seem to like trolls.
by poorwebguy on Dec 8, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
It's tough
Because the last Suns wins we can go to are the Playoffs last season. If you guys win at Pheonix on Friday it might produce more current evidence.
If you loose, I’m afraid we’ll have to wait until January.
It was actually a subliminal homoerotic invitation
Common Bedger move
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Dec 8, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, they will "definately" "loose" in "Pheonix".
"I'm sort of a pessimist about tomorrow and an optimist about the day after tomorrow." ~Eric Sevareid
Yeah, that's too bad.
You were doing so well, too.
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Dorothy
interesting article, including Gentry comments
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/22519/suns-second-unit-not-so-hot
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I generally ignore anything from Hollinger but that was good stuff….
The spacing and rotation issues of course aren’t new but cutting Josh’s minutes make sense. He’s simply not played well at all and hurts spacing. Hak is basically a one trick pony although that trick is pretty awesome dunks which normally come against smaller front lines.
Josh really isn’t the lock down defender the Suns need and w/o a fully healthy Lopez producing on both ends of the floor, Frye is spread too thin.
The good news is Frye has really stepped up his game and is earning his money so IF, BIG IF, this team can hang around .500 and HOPE Robin gets back to peak form by mid to late Jan then they could finish the season very strong.
In the mean time, there are going to be painful games like this.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 8, 2010 8:54 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
yes I'm more and more disappointed with Childress' defense
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I'd say I have your back, wax, but I respect Seth and Alex too much to hit them.
And keify scares me. A lot.
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All I saw there was "back wax" and then I turned and ran away in horror.
"I'm sort of a pessimist about tomorrow and an optimist about the day after tomorrow." ~Eric Sevareid
I think more than anything Hollinger wrote that
So that he could blast Dragic. He just hates being wrong and seems giddy that Dragic is struggling.
by hcblankscreen on Dec 8, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Much like watdogg
wait did I say that?
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
The article is wrong in one respect. Listing Josh as a non shooter
Shooting Statistics
Season Team G Min FG FGA FG% FG3 FG3A FG3% FT FTA FT% Pts PPG
10-11 PHO 21 358:36 46 80 57.5 0 4 0.0 24 37 64.9 116 5.5
07-08 ATL 76 2274:06 327 573 57.1 22 60 36.7 222 275 80.7 898 11.8
06-07 ATL 55 2023:54 261 518 50.4 26 77 33.8 167 210 79.5 715 13.0
05-06 ATL 74 2256:55 279 505 55.2 32 65 49.2 154 201 76.6 744 10.1
04-05 ATL 80 2375:00 302 642 47.0 13 56 23.2 190 231 82.3 807 1
which article? the link right above your comment?
Childress makes a high percentage of his shots, but almost none of them are midrange and since he broke his finger I can count on one hand how many outside shots he’s taken this whole season. That definitely doesn’t help the spacing. Defenders can shag off Childress completely.
Warrick being a non-shooter is not a problem as long as Frye is on the second unit too. Problem is Lopez’ injury and the lack of true PF size. Dragic may never get his favorite 3-pt shooter back.
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Are you thinking Frye and Rolo both starting, Alex?
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Dorothy
that could be very possible. Barron is proving that he could be a decent, consistent backup-center. However, I can see them switching spots when Lopez shows some improvement on offense. If that’s the case though and Robin does come back and manages to stay healthy and return to his early 2010 form than someone is going to lose minutes. My gut tells me Josh Childress because those moves would make him the odd man out and his terrible play isn’t helping his cause, however, it’s too premature. Josh could very well end up adjusting to the NBA and playing great for us.
Don't trade Dudley!
Nicely done Alex.
I was all prepared to come on here and start abusing the poor rotations and distribution of minutes which I felt, thus far, isn’t settled (understandable) and changes on a game by game basis (not so understandable).
But you brought up the valid point that players are getting more burn when guys like Goran and Hakim aren’t bringing their A games.
I know that it takes time for players to feel comfortable with one another and it takes time for players to adapt to new situations, both of which are happening in Phoenix right now, but even if they have an off night, the effort still needs to be there and as you rightly pointed out, 1 P’n’R finish from Hakim shows a lack of aggression.
And what’s the point in having Hedo, Grant and Steve on the floor at once? Hedo and Grant can relieve Steve of ballhandling duties when Goran is off right?
Gentry still needs to find a rotation that is satisfactory and the players need to start finding their form. I’ll give them up until the turn of the year before I start seriously questioning what’s going on.
I know this is only one loss out of our last 4 and as someone (can’t be bothered to go back and check who it was) on the thread last night kept pointing out – we were being negative last night despite the game still being up for grabs – it’s not the loss that matters, but it’s the manner.
Last night sucked for many different reasons. I can only be thankful Jerryd Bayless wasn’t one of them.
Hedo Turkoglu is my new favourite.
Doh!
Blazers Prove Again They Can Beat Phoenix SunsWithout AmareIn Regular Season
Never confuse activity with achievement.
rolls eyes
Blazers had beaten the Suns WITH Amare 3 straight times in Portland during the regular season before he left
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I was hoping for a chuckle
and I got rolled eyes. Next time, Gadget. Next time.
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 8, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
At some point, you'll need to come up with some new material, Jim.
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Wow
this is a tough room…
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 8, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
Blazers did a good job on...
pressuring Nash all the way to the front court. He just couldn’t optimally working extra hard just bringing the ball up past halfcourt. Just an overall poor outing for the team as you said with Dragic/Warrick/Richardson not showing up in their best. I’ll say it’s a fluke.
+1 to Frye and Dudley for making big shots and stops. Nash, of course, still found a way to be productive in the points and assists categories.
Earl Barron is starting to look like a starter. I was impressed that he actually made his free throws and ability to be a big body in the paint. Most of Alderidge’s points that I noticed were long jumpers that we can live with. It kills me every time I see Barron with an opportunity to slam it in, only to have him fumble it to the defender or do a lazy one handed shot. Definitely needs to improve on some basic post moves although I liked his pick-and-roll reverse layup with Nash.
It was basically 3 1/2 on 5 with the first unit, and 3 on 5 with the second unit.
All the Blazers played a solid game. It wasn’t a lack of talent, or a lack of effort or lack of rebounding – we just had 4 guys who had bad games. I hope that’s out of the way.
Goran and Turk have a problem co-existing on the floor at the same time, and the problem rests with Goran. When Hedo was starting, and Robin was starting, Goran was great. But his body english is bad, he’s out of sorts, and it needs to be fixed. We need Goran – we don’t need Hedo. I’m not blaming Hedo, at all. This is not his fault. But I think it’s time we do what we have to to get Goran right, even if that means sitting Hedo for a couple.
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Dorothy
by haremoor on Dec 8, 2010 9:43 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Goran looks like Bambi in the headlights
and now Gentry has said officially that he’ll continue to play the people who are hot on any given night. This means Goran is tentative and nervous about making mistakes for fear of being benched. He is struggling big time with the newness of the second unit. He and Steve always combine for the 48 minutes of PG time, so when he is benched Steve gets gassed at crunch time, especially in a physical game where he is defended (pretty effectively in this case) by bigger guys. Gentry’s stated no-fixed-rotations policy puts so much pressure on him to make the right substitutions on the fly. I don’t like it. When it works we praise him. In this case he must share some of the blame. But enough hand wringing. This loss was purely and simply about only 5 of our 12 cylinders firing (I include Hedo, who played well). Revenge on Friday, but Memphis tonight. 2 W’s please.
yes but he's kinda stuck with Goran
you can’t play Nash longer minutes, and no one else is really good at running the point and bringing the ball up. Goran just really needs to step back up.
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I believe he will.
He needs to get pissed off.
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Dorothy
We need Scottie Reynolds!
Just kidding…kind of.
But really, Dragic had two quick turnovers and played horribly in his short stint during the 4th quarter before Gentry yanked him. Do you all think the problem could be Gentry pulling him too soon?
Sometimes it seems like Dragic needs to get into the flow of a game and find his rhythm…something he can’t do if he’s on such a short leash. I also understand that hindsight is 20/20, and that we would also be upset if Gentry didn’t go back to Nash when we still had a chance at winning the game, and instead watched Dragic continue to spiral downward.
But isn’t it possible that if we left Dragic in the game, surrounded him with a few more potent offensive scorers, and took Hedo off the floor (Did you hear Coro report that Dragic and Hedo were arguing over Turk not taking shots?), maybe he could have been effective after all?
it must have been Dragic's demeanor or body language
before and after the turnovers that got him pulled, rather than the turnovers themselves. If Dragic was in the right frame of mind, I think Gentry would have preferred leaving him in the game even if the score had been tied. He did it a year ago plenty of times.
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Good point...
The hanging of the head, losing confidence, or playing panicked are things that I hoped Dragic would’ve grown out of this season. I am a little disappointed that Dragic’s confidence still seems so fragile after showing how effective he can be when he is on.
I’m not sure how to help him get past this, but it very well could be the barrier that prevents him from taking his game to the next level.
I didn't hear that
(Did you hear Coro report that Dragic and Hedo were arguing over Turk not taking shots?)
But during the fourth quarter, the Blazers were double dog daring Hedo to shoot the ball and he wouldn’t. The most ironic thing was that Hedo still managed to assist a couple of scores. I clearly remember thinking on a play when Hedo passed to Grant for a dunk – “If they aren’t guarding Hedo, that leaves 5 Blazers to guard 4 Suns, how is Grant open for an easy dunk? Who the hell are they guarding?”.
It definitely seemed to me that Hedo was passing up wide open looks.
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 8, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
I twittered Paul Coro about it yesterday and this was his response

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by Eutychus on Dec 8, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
You say his body English is bad,
how about his body Slovenian?
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I don't speak Slovenian, so I don't know.
We do have some guys on here who do – maybe they could interpret. I’m pretty sure that it was bad in any language.
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Dorothy
One more thing...
I know everyone is having a love-fest with Barron, and I also appreciate how he has played efficiently on defense and helped with rebounding. However, he is an offensive liability and has cost us on more than a few possessions; missing easy lay-ups or getting stripped of the ball as soon as he gets his hands on it.
I still believe we are playing Barron too many minutes, and that Hakim would have fared better if he spent more time with the starting unit playing with Nash, Grant, J-Rich, and Frye. Let’s make no mistake about it, regardless of our focus on defense and rebounding, we are primarily an offensive team and if we aren’t scoring baskets, we will have a lot of difficulty playing the kind of hard-nosed defense necessary to beat other teams. I think Warrick islast year’s J-rich, and if we can get around 20pts a night from him we will be a very hard team to beat.
Warrick
was HORRIBLE on defense and the way the Blazers were playing the pick and roll wasn’t effective on offense either
I agree, Barron is bad on offense but I think he will come back to his mean (he’s historically a good shooter) but he’s never going to be a low post threat. Still, helped keep the Suns even on the glass and did well on D. Not his fault Hedo couldn’t shoot and JRich was in foul trouble.
Warrick is a good option against some teams — like the Wizards — that don’t play much defense but he’s always going to be what he is which is a guy who’s up and down and a liability on defense and rebounding.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 8, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
EB has been better than expected
and certainly better than Jarron Collins – but he has major offensive limitations and we are in rough shape if he becomes a key guy. Can’t wait for Frolo to return and get back to his level in the second half of last year. Then the new and improved Channing goes back to the second unit. Rotations become more established, posing big matchup headaches for the oppostion, and all’s well again. (Sigh.)
by Van2010 on Dec 8, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Has Dragic started regressing or are our expectations too high?
I know he didn’t show up last night, but players have off-nights. It just so happened that Warrick, J-Rich, AND Goran had off-nights all on the same night. It’s tough for J-Rich to guard someone like Wes Matthews. That kid can ball. J-Rich committed silly fouls and Warrick was horrid on defense. I barely watched the beginning of the 4th so I can’t comment on Dragic, but based on his stat-line, it wasn’t pretty. So we deserved to lose when 3 of our rotation guys don’t show up. It happens. I think we expect too much out of our players sometimes.
I expect we’ll bounce back tonight at home. Keep your hopes up people. Also, why do Blazers fans feel the need to troll here as soon as their team beats us?
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I had no idea Steve Nash directed "How to train your Dragon".
I think it is a bit of regression - but not stemming entirely from Dragic.
Look at Nash’s frustrations (and suckiness) early in the year. It’s a team sport, and Dragic has lost Frye, Lou, Warrick at times, had to share the ball with Turk, and now, due to his success last year and early this year, the other teams are keying on him. He’s having to work with different players every night, and he’s frustrated. The only thing he can do is work through it, which he’s doing. He needs to get more minutes, but we need wins, too, so it’s a Catch 22 – but he’s shown that he can start off bad and turn it around.
Nash was a backup early in his career, too, and I’m sure that he wasn’t stellar every time off the bench. But he learned the things that we see every day, now, and Goran will learn it, too. He’s expanding his game, just as Frye and Dudley have, and that takes a bit of time. I still have the utmost confidence in him – he’s going to be great.
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Dorothy
by haremoor on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not convinced that Warrick had an off-night. He’s been too inconsistent to say that he has off-nights. It’s just who he is. Good one game, bad the next. Good news is that since he sucked last night, he’ll probably show up and play well against Memphis.
J-Rich on the other hand had an off-night, that’s the worst game he’s played all season.
Don't trade Dudley!
Besides, Beavis, inconsistency is the very definition of an "off night".
He’s having a lot of them.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Dragic = Happy Feet
Dragic tends to travel a lot when he is under pressure to make something happen. I see him completely collapse mentally during those times as he seems to try and force passes and shots at the basket alike. This has everything to do with lack of confidence.
If we win. I will troll haha
Is that guy 28 or 38?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 8, 2010 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
Don't do it.
Don’t lower yourself to their level. If you want to go congratulate them on a good game after we win, go ahead. Trolling is just stupid.
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Coz receiving a congatulations just make the pain even worse. haha
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by Christian_33 on Dec 8, 2010 4:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
A lot of greens
improving BSOTS
the platinum rule
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by Christian_33 on Dec 8, 2010 4:21 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
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I don’t think Goran likes Hedo wanting the ball so much. I also think Hedo keeps the ball until someone else has to throw up a prayer to beat the shot clock.
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The Suns had better beat the Blazers in the regular season
Because after Game 82, the Suns’ season will be over.
Blazers: 1 NBA championship, Suns: zero
Really?
A Blazer’s fan wants to talk about another franchise’s former problems?
How’s that glass house holding up?
Boll.
You never know
what can crawl out of it’s hole when no one is looking!
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