Suns Comeback Falls Short Versus Grizzlies in OT, 104-98
Tonight, for much of the game versus the Grizzlies, the Phoenix Suns could not make a shot. The effort appeared there, but nothing was falling. After trailing by double digits for much of the game, the Suns outscored Memphis 28-14 in the 4th and were in position to win the game. Yet the Suns, who had shot 63% from the charity stripe for 4 quarters had to make this difficult.
The Suns plodded through the first quarter, losing it 25-22 to Memphis while committing 5 turnovers which resulted in 8 Grizzly points. Zach Randolph led the way with 8 and 5 while Rudy Gay Dropped 7. Channing Frye played solid defense against Marc Gasol, blocking a shot and forcing him into a turnover. Grant Hill led the Suns with 6 points while Earl Barron went for 4 points and 4 boards.
In the second, Memphis outscored the Suns 28-19, including a 12-1 run to close out the half that included this putrid series of events:
- Gasol layup
- Nash TO
- Gay 20 footer
- JRich misses 3 nash rebound
- JRich makes 1 FT
- Conley layup
- JRich missed 3
- Grizz offensive rebound, Grizz foul
- Barron miss
- Randolph 23 footer
- Frye missed 3 Hill rebound
- Barron shot blocked
- Hill missed dunk, Rich rebound
- Rich miss, Hill rebound
- Nash miss, Hill foul
- Gay makes 1 of 2 rebound
The Suns went the final 5 minutes and change of the 2nd without a field goal (0-9), and finished the half shooting 35%, while allowing Memphis to shoot 53%. Steve Nash finished the first half with 0 points, 3 turnovers, 2 assists, 2 rebounds and one shot taken (obviously missed).
In the 4th, the Suns pulled within 3 with a 22-8 run to start the quarter and tied the game on a Hedo Turkoglu 3. The Suns had the ball tied at 88 with 29.5 seconds left. After Nash dribbled down 19 seconds on the clock, Mr. 4th Quarter made an appearance. Hedo stepped back from near the top of the key to nail the game winning 3 with 6 seconds left. Suns 91 Grizzlies 88.
But on the next posession Goran Dragic fouled Mike Conley beyond the arc. The officials ruled he was not yet in the act of shooting, which gave Conley 2 free tosses. On the inbound Channing Frye was fouled and instead of icing the game with 2 free throws, Frye only converted on one, leaving the Grizzlies with the ball with 2 seconds and change. With Josh Childress in his Grill, Rudy Gay drained a fall away three from the corner. OVERTIME, again.
In overtime, the Suns missed more than the Grizzlies, couldn't make any stops and threw the ball away twice. Final 104-98, Grizz.
Thoughts and Observations:
- Earl Barron is around the ball a lot on defense. Still he's pretty spazzy and seems unsure of his shot. I haven't seen him enough to know if he's just out of rhythm and pressing because he's nervous or if he's always like that.
- It appeared in the first quarter that Jared Dudley went for a fast break dunk, but A Grizzly forced him into a highly contested layup that went in. Dudz had the eye of the tiger as he approached the rim. JMZ may have more to report.
- Goran Dragic looked a lot more aggressive and confident tonight, with 17/5/3. Still, he's fallen into the habit of complaining to the refs when he gets a no call. It is true he gets hammered a lot and doesn't get many calls, nevertheless, he needs to battle through it like a man. The whining takes him out of the game momentarily and does no good at all in this year's NBA. Take your lumps and keep playing the game, Dragon, let your coach bitch to the refs.
- In the 2nd, on consecutive possessions, Hakim Warrick and Josh Childress combined to miss 5 of 6 free throws. Also in the 2nd, Memphis brought back Zach Randolph early to match up against Hedo Turkoglu and Hakim Warrick. It was not a good matchup as Zebo picked up 4 points and 2 rebounds in a 3 minute span that saw the Grizz outscore the Suns 10-4.
- Grant Hill, and Jason Richardson didn't play in the 4th quarter. Nash entered the 4th with 29 seconds left. Goran Dragic played the 2 throughout the overtime period.
- Jason Richardson went 1-11, playing only 20 minutes. Tired legs after playing 24 minutes last night? Doubt it. J Rich isn't feeling it, going 4 for his last 19 in his last two games.
- The Suns grabbed 47 boards tonight, to tie Memphis and had 5 more offensive rebounds than the Grizz. This blah night can mostly be attributed to 42% shooting, oh and Rudy Gay's incredible 3 to end regulation.
- The Suns have lost 2 straight after putting together a string of 4 in a row. The schedule gets ugly with Dallas, Portland, OKC and Miami up next.
Phoenix Suns Drop Overtime Game To Memphis Grizzlies On Missed Frye Free Throw - SB Nation Arizona
"Finally, huh," Dragic said when asked about the bench unit finally clicking"We were just aggressive in defense and everybody was in the right spot. We were rotating great and after that we went to transition and scored some easy baskets. I think so if every game we play like that it would be much easier for us."
Game Notes
1st Qtr
- Channing showing his improved up's by winning the tip. I swear he's added a few inches of vert to his legs this year
- Chatting w/ Randy Hill from Fox Sports about Earl Barron's solid defensive fundamentals
- And on cue, Barron gets the steal on Zach
- Grant Hill, my hero and yours
- On the board in the Suns locker room it said "We beat them in rebounding last time, do it again"
- Shockingly, the Phoenix crowd hasn't turned out en mass for the Grizzlies on a Wednesday night
- And another block for DPOY candidate, Channing Frye
- I swear I am going to make a highlight reel of Earl Barron missed layups....still lowe you, EB!!
- Jason trying to make up for all those points he didn't score last night...so far not working so well
- Good work by Barron to sprint down the floor and make Zebo run hard. Wear out the big beast
- Frye does have a tendency to give bigs wide open for mid-range shots they can hit
- Dragic in early...good call
- Grizz on a little run with some quick shooting off Suns misses. 19-14, Grizz
- Grizz lead the league in points in the paint but mostly they are hitting outside shots
- JRich could be depressed about Michigan St losing to Syracuse the other night, everyone think Spartan thoughts on three. 1....2....3...GO SPARTANS!!!
- Randolph is a bull in a bull shop but he's the stronger bull
- OJ Mayo in. Warrick in. Barron out - no love from the Suns crowd
- And once again we are treated to Dudley getting beat off the dribble by a guy who understands that Jared isn't really that quick
- Suns not getting anything done on offense
- Suns find Warrick in the paint, he draws the foul and hits both FTAs. 25-20, Grizz
- Dudley somehow manages to avoid getting blocked by Rudy Gay on the run out. Nice stop by Suns
- 25-22, Grizz
2nd Qtr
- Pretty sure Goran was either fouled or traveled there but either way they scored it as a layup
- And he attacks again...good to see
- Dudley has a way of getting the ball thru the net in traffic despite not being able to elevate. Earl Barron has none of that same knack
- Dragic with another drive and layup. Suns up 30-29
- Has anyone ever seen Hedo get mad? He's a cool drink of baklava
- Josh missed an easy layup thanks to the finger split
- Dragic flying down the court for the fancy finish
- It's really comical to see Zach Randolph complain that Hakim Warrick was shoving him
- Before the game I was chatting w/ Goran in the locker room. He said he got to sleep around 3:30am. I told him that's when I went to sleep as well and I had to work longer than him tonight. He responded that he was the one running around to which I replied, "you are 15 years younger than me." He concluded we were even.
- 39-33, Grizz. Goran hasn't touched the ball much since Josh came in. Spacing issues
- Hedo is having himself a decent little game despite only 3 pts
- Suns starting to run pick and roll w/ Nash and Frye which Frye is actually rolling
- That was pretty good switching and scrambling defense, but Gay still hit a tough shot
- And Zebo hits a three in Channing's grill. That's not fair!!! Booooo
- Grizz now up 48-40
- JRich not shooting well tonight. That's not a good thing. Grizz starting to leaving him alone and he's starting to hesitate on his shot. No confidence in it right now
- Poor Grant Hill missed an open dunk...legs looking very tired right now. Not just his either
- Grizz finish on 12-1 run. Suns can't buy a basket. 53-41, Grizz
3rd Qtr
- The Suns offensive numbers in that half of basketball are too horrific to repeat here (hint: 14-39)
- Suns getting open shots, but missing them
- Nash get the first Suns basket this decade
- 4th foul on Marc Gasol...
- Grizz collapsing in the paint and leaving shooters open...normally that doesn't work against Suns. Tonight it is genius
- Lionel Hollins yelling at Channing Frye after a hard foul on Conley to prevent a break away. Channing is such a mean bully! (in best soccer mom voice)
- Dragic coming in at the 7:34 mark. In for JRich!! Nice move
- First time this season Goran's gotten minutes at the 2 w/ Nash
- Nash scores in the paint...energy picking up slightly
- Zebo getting testy...remember when he got kicked out of a game here for punching Lou and Lou just stood there. Lol. Good times
- 68-55, Grizz
- Damn, when Darrell Arthur is hits a turn around fade way with a hand in his face from 17ft on the baseline it just might not be your night
- Dragic three...Suns somehow managing to hang around. If I were a Grizzlies fan I would be worried. Of course, if I were a Grizzlies fan I would have a lot of other things to be worried about besides this game
- Childress playing the PF, which is actually his more effective position for the Suns right now. That's not a good thing in case you were wondering
- Dragic iso's Hentry and schools him
- That's two stops in a row for Phx. 74-64
- Suns missing three's and getting ORebs
- Energy level has picked up at least
- That was the Suns chance there...they got a couple of stops and had plenty of open looks and just couldn't hit any of them. If they do, they are back in this game
- 78-64
4th Qtr
- Even the Gorilla and Sol Patrol are missing trampoline dunks
- Suns season low in points last year was 88. They did that twice, once vs ATL and once vs LAL
- They just passed out the box score for the 3rd Qtr. I'm not gonna look at it
- Look, the Suns easily could have packed it in and got run off the floor but they didn't. They fought and got physical and that matters in the long run. Yes, moral victories matter in the NBA during an 82 game season
- Great hustle there to get the steal and win the ball back and finish. 82-72
- Nice effort by Warrick! Big rebound and dunk. That got the crowd going
- Suns are getting a LOT of beneficial no-calls here
- Gentry urging Suns to push the ball and get quick shots. Worked, that time
- Suns cut lead to three. 84-81, Grizz with 5:50 to go
- I forgot to bring a water bottle with me up here. Regretting that now. Parched
- Hedo wins a rebound from Zach Randolph...momentum booster
- Wow and another one!
- Bail out call there on that Zebo foul on Warrick
- Call goes against Xavier Henry after Dudley slams into him....comical
- 86-83, Grizz w/ 3:00. When does Nash come back in or does he?
- I'm glad I didn't start my recap earlier in the quarter like I normally do
- Hedo three ties game at 86
- Did Jared Dudley just sky for a block? Yes, yes he did. 2:26 mark. Need to see that one again
- Dragic at the line for crucial FTAs....hmmmm
- Makes the 1st
- Makes 2nd, tie game at 88
- Frye getting ready to come back in
- Damn, Hedo just leveled Marc Gasol to win another rebound
- 88-88 w 50 sec
- Suns get the stop and board. 29 seconds, tie game. Nash and Hill and JRich coming in? I doubt it
- 10 points for Grizz in the 4th so far
- Nash in w/ Dragic, Warrick, Hedo and Frye
- Hedo freaking Turkoglu
- 91-88, 6.2 to go
- Up 3 with 6.2, Suns foul after the inbound and send Conley to the line
- Conley intentionally misses the 2nd FTA. Frye grabs the ball and is fouled. Good thing Barron didn't get the board
- Frye misses the second FTA. 92-98 w/ 2.8 to go
- Foul again?
- You have to LOL...Rudy Gay catch and shoot three to tie the game
OT
- Good thing I don't have to work tomorrow...oh, wait. I do. But the Suns have the day off
- Marc Gasol on the bench resting
- Hedo for 2
- Darrell Arthur answers in the post against Hedo
- OT lineup is Nash, Dragic, Hedo, Dudley, Warrick
- Conley J. Warrick in the paint. 96-96
- Suns won 4th qtr 28-14
- Great rotation by Zebo to knock the ball of Warrick
- Randolph leveled Hedo in the face. He's dazed. Zebo came over and said sorry. I didn't see the hit but I am fairly sure it wasn't intentional
- Suns 17-27 from the line tonight. Don't just blame Frye (although his miss was huge)
- Not a great look that time, Dragic missed contested three. Hedo off the court. Energy seems to be gone. Frye has to foul Gay. Grizz up 100-96, 1:40
- Not getting the stops they were getting in the fourth. Not the same intensity
- Suns def need a bucket here. Hedo back on the floor and gets called for an offensive foul trying to back down Conley. Swung his elbows out trying to turn and face up
- Nash gets into the paint for 2 easy ones
- 100-98, Grizz w/ 45 sec. Got the stop but Arthur gets the OReb. Ouch. Time out Memphis
- 20 sec, Grizz ball. Up 2. 15 sec on the 24 sec clock
- And that should do it, Grizz find Zach open in front of the rim. Gentry is pissed at someone..Frye or Warrick I think. Have to see the replay. 102-98. 8.7 sec. Suns ball. Another miracle?
- Suns get a wide open look for Nash but he can't hit it. He's 0-5 from three tonight
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The Celtics game? lol
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Dec 8, 2010 11:10 PM MST up reply actions
Some time in 2015.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 11:12 PM MST up reply actions
We're screwed then.
The world will end before we get to our turn-around.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yea, at least were not the Bulls of 1999- 2002 that would average around 15 wins a season.
Don't trade Dudley!
I wish we were the bulls from 1984-1998 though
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Tweetin' at @JaxisZ
Exactly.
This is just a really average basketball team. They’ll have good nights, they’ll have bad nights.
Hard to adjust to the mindset that this is a mediocre team and probably nothing more.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 10:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Especially after all the success we had last season. It just sucks watching a team that went to the Western Conference Finals then to change to a potential lottery bound team in less than a year.
It just goes to show how fucked up management is and how fast things change.
Just remember
this team was sub -.500 for all of Dec and Jan and didn’t get good until the final stretch of the season….
There’s still time so it could be too soon for sweeping judgments either way, of course, maybe it’s not.
One thing I KNOW is that none of us really KNOWS at this point in the season how things are going to end up and personally, as long as they are working hard and fighting and for the most part giving an entertaining effort, I’m not going to give up hope of a strong finish.
and like I said, I have no doubt that this team in years past would have rolled over and died in a game like this. Most teams would have
Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Dec 8, 2010 11:49 PM MST up reply actions 8 recs
Rec Seth.
Totally agree.
I have returned, peoples. I think I suffer from a multiple personality disorder. I feel like a completely different person on this user vs EricSun89, RAWR.
I still think Seth is a jedi from phoenixstan...
Riding shotgun on the Earl Clark carpool with Bkj on the wheels and EricSun89 navigating. Our car has the "Extend J-Rich!!!" bumper sticker, you can't miss it.
I hear your point
But as we’ve discussed previously….99 times out of a 100 when a team plays mediocre basketball for a long stretch it’s probably because they’re just a mediocre basketball team.
The 09-10 Suns were a delightful exception and obviously I’ll hope this is the same but odds are it isn’t.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 11:57 PM MST up reply actions
damn, the darkside of the force is strong too...
optimism fading.
Riding shotgun on the Earl Clark carpool with Bkj on the wheels and EricSun89 navigating. Our car has the "Extend J-Rich!!!" bumper sticker, you can't miss it.
Nah. I'm not even trying to be overly negative.
I just don’t really believe in this team. They are permitted to prove me wrong at any point. I’ll be rooting harder than anyone for them to rip off a neat little 30-4 stretch.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 9, 2010 12:02 AM MST up reply actions
This captures the issue very well
The one positive indication that it could be another 09-10 is that for the most part this is much the same team as 09-10, with 7 guys who know that feeling, and with 3 other guys who till tonight didn’t seem to fit that well, but collectively seemed to turn the corner, just a bit in this tough loss.
One thing for sure..
It won’t be the exact same as 09-10. That team had a great start and the question was could they find it again, and it seemed like Jrich and Amare would never have the kind of IQ that was needed but it was clear that if those 2 guys ever got their S together we could be tough. Everybody else was playing well. And the team was generally highly ranked by Hollinger’s system, except at the end of January when there was a short sharp plummet.
This year we have had an average to below average start and haven’t really had too many moments of looking really great. This will need to be a slower build, as at the moment this team has never shown the kind of all out unstoppable power or really been able to build big margins of victory and separation that one would expect in a team with real potential.
Tonight with the bench coming together more and especially with their great defensive effort, I actually think we saw the first signs of what we could be. A solid starting unit and a great bench, with great diversity and many ways to beat you.
Totally possible
I guess mostly, I don’t feel emotionally invested either way. Right now, I’m finding this season very entertaining and especially these last two games.
Not all movies have to have a happy ending to be good (that’s sort of what she said in the message parlor)
They might get better (I think they will) or they might just be a .500 team. They won’t be the Kings or the Wizards or the Pistons and I’m just going to enjoy it for now b/c at some point they will be those teams….kind of like the Cardinals.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 9, 2010 12:26 AM MST up reply actions
I feel better after looking at the other side
A moral boost to us. Knowing that our bench is back it gives us a brighter future.
I’m kinda excited for the team.
Bring on the blazers..!
Is that guy 28 or 38?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 8, 2010 10:41 PM MST up reply actions
I dunno about you guys, but there was a big, sentimental feel to that fourth quarter comeback.
Especially after Hedo’s 3 ball when the whole team was jumpin on him. I think he is really starting to feel it, and the bench is lovin him.
(to look on the bright side)
"One deep fried avocado, please." = famous last words
by yanyanman2 on Dec 8, 2010 10:29 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
That sort of rally is usually a catalyst to a team rapidly developing chemistry/figuring things out/getting on a roll. The problem is, that usually happens when the rally leads to a win.
Instead, we get to hope that the “moral victory” fuels their fire. I’m totally hoping!
by underxthebridge on Dec 8, 2010 10:34 PM MST up reply actions
there was a
lot of that already in the win over Denver and the last win over Memphis. Remember coming back from down 4 pts with like 5 seconds left and then winning the game in double OT?
It wasn’t that long ago…
Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Dec 8, 2010 11:50 PM MST up reply actions
Sure
Once it happens doesn’t mean it can’t happen again. Point was just that these games are usually significant for teams in turning corners.
by underxthebridge on Dec 9, 2010 7:45 AM MST up reply actions
I feel like a great deal of that sentimental feel was blown when they blew the game.
Maybe not all….but a lot.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
Looks like we're not going to have as many JMZs as we had last year
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 PM MST reply actions
Jared Dudley sometimes posts
locker room interviews after wins
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 8, 2010 10:51 PM MST up reply actions
How do you not know JSPN? You're a suns fan!
Driving the Earl Clark bandwagon with Larfleeze and NashMV3 navigating. Extend Jason Richardson!!!!!!!!!!!!
It seems kinda sad that he doesn't know.
I have returned, peoples. I think I suffer from a multiple personality disorder. I feel like a completely different person on this user vs EricSun89, RAWR.
Has anyone actually claimed one of these tacos?
Do you have to buy a drink with it? That’s the usual scam
I like the dollar tacos from the truck at the end of my street.
Or those Korean tacos!
I am a leaf in the wind. Watch me soar.
Did Richardson not show up again, or was he simply cold? If he just had a cold streak, I forgive him…everyone has one.
by 8472species on Dec 8, 2010 10:51 PM MST reply actions
Cold, he isnt struggling per se, he is having troubles staying on the court/building up confidence
Driving the Earl Clark bandwagon with Larfleeze and NashMV3 navigating. Extend Jason Richardson!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the Suns would have won if Frye had made his damn free throws!!!
by 8472species on Dec 8, 2010 10:52 PM MST reply actions
Throw IF out the window bro, suns would have drafted jabaar, woulda won a chip if ainge rotated, etc.
Driving the Earl Clark bandwagon with Larfleeze and NashMV3 navigating. Extend Jason Richardson!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on, losing KAJ is hardly the same as missing a free throw. And what’s that about Ainge? Was he the one guarding Mario Elie in 1995?
by 8472species on Dec 8, 2010 11:01 PM MST up reply actions
painful memories, still hurts like a B.
Riding shotgun on the Earl Clark carpool with Bkj on the wheels and EricSun89 navigating. Our car has the "Extend J-Rich!!!" bumper sticker, you can't miss it.
its harder to hit a free throw than toss a coin to come up heads
well at least it is for shaq, rondo, and dwight howard
and unfortunately goran dragic :(
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Dec 9, 2010 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
Ainge never should have helped. Up 2 you shouldn't leave an elite 3 point shooter
He’s talking about the Finals btw…not Elie
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 PM MST up reply actions
Barkley said he was the player one would most like to punch out after Bill Laimbeer.
by 8472species on Dec 10, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
Lakers b-ball; they will win this one, mark my words. I've seen too many laker games and this one is certain to end with a bryant buzzer
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damn...! even more frustrated
Is that guy 28 or 38?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 PM MST up reply actions
Any other western confernce team losing doesn't mean shit anymore
not only do we not have the right to talk, but it won’t even matter since we’re going to be piling up losses.
Amare is having parties in NY
anyone wanna tell me why we didn’t offer him the extra 3 mil he wanted? I’m just curious..
(We offered him 96 mil)
with out training staff..
his health wouldn’t have been a concern.
if Cuban was our owner we’d probably Amare and another go to player in our line up and we’d be sitting with a 17-6 record or so.
You mean the Cuban that let Nash go
all because he thought his health would fail and he wouldn’t be able to play at a high level?
by hcblankscreen on Dec 9, 2010 12:21 AM MST up reply actions
Isn't that an ironic parallel.
The Suns obtained Steve Nash because his former employer had very similar concerns to the ones the Suns had about Amare. Amare was a little more proven than Nash, though, so the contract was more sizeable.
The difference is the insurance factor. If Amare’s knees were unsurable, he’d still be a Phoenix Sun. That is why I’m still upset with Blastcap Bob.
In a way, Amare is kind of like Nash – brilliant offensively, lacking defensively, entertaining to watch.
Now comes the part where we see if Amare makes the Suns frugality come back to haunt them.
Amare could be the second ex-teammate of Nash to win an MVP….
As it stands, Lebron, Nash, and Dirk have 5 of the last 6 MVPs and ) titles between them. Amare could make that 6 of 7……
Never confuse activity with achievement.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 9, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Corrections
That was insurable, not unsurable.
Lebron + Nash + Dirk = 0 titles.
Never confuse activity with achievement.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 9, 2010 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
Amare's fantastic but he's not going to win the MVP
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I think the fact that we were worried about his knees means that the training staff didn't give him the all-clear
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
56 million of our deal was guaranteed
All 100M of the Knicks deal was guaranteed.
I’ll say this until I’m blue in the face but we all do know that the decision not to guarantee Amar’e for years 4, 5 (and 6) wasn’t based on his performance in the first 23 games or even first few years of the deal….right?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 11:11 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, well, maybe in the 2014 lottery we can draft the next Earl Clark.
by suns68 on Dec 8, 2010 11:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hoping so.
Where do you think the real Earl Clark will be in 2014? China?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 11:15 PM MST up reply actions
In Tron universe.
Riding shotgun on the Earl Clark carpool with Bkj on the wheels and EricSun89 navigating. Our car has the "Extend J-Rich!!!" bumper sticker, you can't miss it.
Does he have potential to be a great cabinet installer? Definitely
Can he live up to that potential? Probably not.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 11:18 PM MST up reply actions 7 recs
it was just the minutes he'd have to play
so technically I’d say the contract was guaranteed unless he totally blew out his knees—-that’s what everyone feared, despite that he recovered well from his last knee injury and showed no signs of slowing down.
The best comment of the night
Was the last comment on the first game thread. But it didn’t post until after we all moved. Go there and rec it so we can turn it green.
Dear Phoenix Suns
Just avoid the number 8 spot.
Having tied with Memphis and Portland means we are out.
PS. Win more games
Is that guy 28 or 38?
I never would have thought
that at this point of the season, we’d be tied with Memphis and Portland…
this will be your 2 longest days of your life
2 more days before we remember how it feels to win a ball game
Is that guy 28 or 38?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 8, 2010 11:23 PM MST up reply actions
Well, tomorrow will be Community's stop motion claymation Christmas episode.
So you have that to look forward to.
I am a leaf in the wind. Watch me soar.
Community > The Office.
I used to watch both shows, now i just watch community. I used to rule the world too, seas would rise when I gave the word…
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by Larfleeze on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Alcohol makes people sad. It’s like the Lifetime movie of beverages.
I am a leaf in the wind. Watch me soar.
me
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 8, 2010 11:52 PM MST up reply actions
Ok
Now I will behave..
Is that guy 28 or 38?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 8, 2010 11:55 PM MST up reply actions
kneel before seth...
Riding shotgun on the Earl Clark carpool with Bkj on the wheels and EricSun89 navigating. Our car has the "Extend J-Rich!!!" bumper sticker, you can't miss it.
And just who exactly are you, sir?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 11:58 PM MST up reply actions
My name
is Robert Paulson
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 9, 2010 12:28 AM MST up reply actions
just curious... why was it deleted?
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 9, 2010 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
just don’t want to revisit that whole thing….Blazers fans have earned their “soccer mom” reputation. No need to fan the flames by picking out a few comments
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Counterpoint: We should challenge them to an e-fight to the death.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 9, 2010 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
It'll happen. Friday.
Hope we got some ‘hand’.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
i kinda thought fanning the flames was what these blogs were all about.... :)
sorry for the post… i mean, we wouldn’t want to get anyone fanning… or a whole state… like Dakota fanning… we already have one fanning— fanning chrye oh, nevermind…
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 9, 2010 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
re: Stoudemire and the Knicks
I want the Knicks to lose more. This is not an an anti-Stoudemire rant; I have good feelings toward him. It’s an anti-D’Antoni rant. I don’t hate Mike D’Antoni (don’t be ridiculous), but his coaching and his system are highly overrated, and I want to see them discredited badly enough that I’m willing to see Stoudemire embarrassed as long as his arrogant and inflexible coach is embarrassed too. Alvin Gentry is the coach Mike D’Antoni should have been here.
by 8472species on Dec 8, 2010 11:22 PM MST reply actions
Mike D'Antoni turned us
from a freakin joke into title contenders. I’m actually rather fond of him.
Besides, it’s the East. Who do you want to see win? The Celtics? Miami?
Steve Nash didn't hurt that cause either.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 8, 2010 11:26 PM MST up reply actions
Steve Nash and D'Antoni together.
Peyton Manning= Better.
by JesusNinja13 on Dec 8, 2010 11:27 PM MST up reply actions
Not discounting that...
But Nash wouldn’t be Nash if he’d played his Suns career for, say, Terry Porter.
Disagree
I like Gentry a lot, but D’Antoni gave the Suns their identity. D’Antoni coached some of the most exciting basketball the league has ever seen. Sure, he had the luxury of the right personnel to compliment his style, but I couldn’t imagine them being as fun/good without D’Antoni as head coach.
They've got a pretty tough next 30 days - we'll see how good they are against +.500 teams.
I want all fast paced teams to do well – it’s more fun basketball to watch.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
by haremoor on Dec 9, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Why the hate for Coach (no D) 'Antoni?
I don’t hate Mike D’Antoni (don’t be ridiculous), but his coaching and his system are highly overrated, and I want to see them discredited badly enough that I’m willing to see Stoudemire embarrassed as long as his arrogant and inflexible coach is embarrassed too.
I thought that the general consensus was that D’Antoni’s system was fun to watch but his lack of emphasis on defense and depth would prevent him from winning championships.
This year is illustrating further that his system is contingent upon the right players being in place (great offensive players like Nash and Stoudemire) to implement it effectively. His “system” won an average of 30.5 games the last two seasons without his weapons of choice.
I kind of think he’s already been exposed… I consider this year to be more about Amare carrying that team and making players like Felton better than D’Antoni saving the Knicks.
Isn’t that what most people think?
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by Jim Coughenour on Dec 9, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
It’s what I think, anyway. And doesn’t everyone realize that last year, Alvin Gentry’s Suns matched the best playoff performance of Mike D’Antoni’s Suns? I stand by my opinion.
by 8472species on Dec 9, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
well to be fair, you could say that about any system
try running the triangle offense with marbury instead of kobe or micheal to bail the team out with some impossible shot and see how far that gets you…
but his coaching and his system are highly overrated
The Knicks would probably be the #1 seed right now if Nash was there instead of Felton. Coach D’s system was to run and score in 7SOL. Nash could make that happen. Other than that the system was mostly Nash. Coach D gave him the freedom to do whatever he wanted to on the court and it paid off for both of them. The system is not overrated and proved to be very successful, however his coaching is overrated. Refusing to develop rookies, make and play a deep bench and teach defense is what makes his coaching overrated.
Don't trade Dudley!
Nash would be even more gassed if he was on the Knicks.
With no real backup at the point, D’Antoni would have Nash playing over 35-38 min a game. That’d be overkill.
I have returned, peoples. I think I suffer from a multiple personality disorder. I feel like a completely different person on this user vs EricSun89, RAWR.
The thing is, in my opinion, laughing off defense is the unspoken part of D’Antoni’s system. Formally, perhaps, what he says is “the offense is the defense,” but that amounts to the same thing.
by 8472species on Dec 9, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
And I realize that snubbing the bench is D’Antoni’s personal proclivity, not a part of his system, so perhaps I really mean I want him to be discredited, not his system. But there is no reason to be inflexible about what system your team uses to win, no reason to think only one system really works. The teams that have won championships have used various styles, which proves the obvious—that there’s more than one way to win. And winning is all that really care about. So you’re a basketball team and you want to excite your fans? Excite them by winning. If you don’t run in your games, or don’t score a ton of points, but win a championship anyway, you’ll ultimately be more exciting than a team that runs and scores but can’t get further than the conference finals.
by 8472species on Dec 9, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
“All that really matters,” that is. Sorry, I skimped on proofreading again.
by 8472species on Dec 9, 2010 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
Was there an explanation
As to why we didn’t play that .4/.6/.whatever was left after Rudy hit that game tying 3?
I don’t think this game was refereed badly but they sure seemed in one hell of a rush to finish this game. There was a play in overtime when even with the replay you couldn’t tell who the ball went off of, but they didn’t even think about looking at the video.
and then paradoxically
wasted a few minutes on replay when the clock didn’t start for the last 3.4 seconds, and a couple of tenths couldn’t possibly affect the outcome.
go figure
by suns68 on Dec 9, 2010 12:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
and then paradoxically
wasted a few minutes on replay when the clock didn’t start for the last 3.4 seconds, and a couple of tenths couldn’t possibly affect the outcome.
go figure
by suns68 on Dec 9, 2010 12:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
we wouldn't be doing all this soul searching
if the suns made a few more free throws last night. we’d be talking about the great comeback and winning 5 out of the last 6.
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If...
JRich went 2-11 instead of 1-11 in 21 min?
Nash went 1-5 from 3 instead of 0-5?
Earl Barron made 2-6 instead of 1-6 from 1 foot out?
Referees make consistent calls?
Or, you could look at it like this…
Last night, we got our second team back. Dragic, Chill, Dudz, Turk, and Goran had exceptional games. We saw a glimpse of how this can work.
This team is never out of a game.
Josh Childress is a pretty good PF. Who knew?
Our defense is getting better. It’s better longer in a possession, and it’s better through more of the game. Still not good, but improving each game.
We have a tough stretch, coming up, that’s true. And bad teams seem to play very well against us – but good teams aren’t going to shoot much better than the Griz last night or Portland earlier. So we have as good a chance against good teams as against bad ones.
This team has come miles in the last few games, especially defensively. We have inches to go to be a much better team – granted, those last few inches are the hardest, but we will get there.
Last year, on Dec 8, we lost to Dallas, 102-101, our 7th loss of the season after starting 14-3, and in the midst of losing 6 of 9. We would reach 26-21 before going on our surge.
Nobody on the Suns got more than 7 boards last night, but three of our guys got 7, and we tied them in rebounding, even though Randolph had 17 and Arthur had 10.
We’re still playing without our starting center, and the last two games, without our starting SG. Come home soon, JRich. Get well soon, Robin.
So, there are some positives to take away from this game, even without the win. This team will build on them, and I think they have some surprises left for us this year. Worst case, our assets are appreciating in value.
When Nash gives up on this team, I’ll give up, too. That ain’t gonna happen.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
by haremoor on Dec 9, 2010 9:20 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
yes!! Getting our bench back in working order is HUGE!!!
“Or, you could look at it like this…
Last night, we got our second team back. Dragic, Chill, Dudz, Turk, and Goran had exceptional games. We saw a glimpse of how this can work.”…
Did anyone else see Goran and Hedo smiling together and jostling one another on the bench at the end of regulation (I think that’s when it was)? Love to see those guys on the same page. Before last night it always seemed like Hedo’s ballhandling created a different wheel than Dragic’s, and those cogs didn’t mesh— with the Dragon deferring and dampening his flame while Hedo ran the show…
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Dec 9, 2010 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It just takes time.
Goran played pretty well alongside LB (althought LB never met a shot he didn’t like whereas turning down shots seems to be Goran’s problem with Hedo).
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you guys think?
Do you think Robins return will impact as in such a positive that It steps up our D begins to make things easier on the offensive end for everyone else having a decent big man in the middle?
that's the hope
personally, I think the best case that he gets back to last year’s peak form around late Jan / early Feb.
Be prepared for him to struggle in his first few weeks back but hopefully he can regain his quickness and explosiveness.
In the short term, if he can play even a solid 10 or 15 minutes it will help. Moves Barron to the bench where he can be used in spot duty w/ the second unit as needed (based on match-ups).
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Are we just leaving some of them in the Timberwolves locker room?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 9, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
idk
but we need a legit PF/C or post player or we’re doomed. Hope the Suns could make a move to get us back into the race.
im not clamoring for trades
but with the weaknesses we have and the assets we have I think they will do something,I just pray they dont do something just to do something.
It's already circled on my calendar.
My team is finally getting a dominant post presence who will completely change the team. Gregory Echenique is eligible to play starting December 15th, the end of the first semester.
What, you weren’t talking about Creighton?
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the bright side. I get that ..
.. but this one hurt. I can’t help but ask one whiney question: Why the hell can’t we put Siler out there on some of the key defensive possessions in O/T?? Instead we have Hak or Turk on Randolph, horrible mismatches – and he was killing us inside all night. OK, just one more bleat: “Where have you gone, J-Richeo?”
Oh well. No yawners for us poor die-hard fans this season, I guess. Turk showed some great toughness. Goran throughly deserved the extra minues. The team energy level was cool. Onward and upward.
Randolph had just 2 pts and 3 reb in the 4th qtr against Hedo and Hak….just saying
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 9, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
i think we played pretty good defense last night. i thought we were going to get distroyed in the glass..but we actually ended tied at 47 rebs.
I've been more impessed
with the effort I’ve perceived the Suns putting into clearing the glass the last couple games. Hopefully they will keep up the tenacious effort.
I did read a funny joke the other day (I can’t claim this as my own), though:
I heard the Salvation Army is collecting rebounds to give to the Phoenix Suns for Christmas….
Ouch!
Never confuse activity with achievement.
by Jim Coughenour on Dec 9, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
yeah, he definitely slowed down.
I can’t remember now whether that was because of the defense or the Grizzlies just going away from him. I do remember wondering why Hakim was in there instead of Barron or even Childress though on that last defensive stand.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ive been impressed
with hedo as of late,just dont look at the huge cap number hangin over his head like a halo when you watch.
The only discouraging thing about last night is that our shots didn't fall.
I think at least half of our missed shots were wide open. The Grizzlies weren’t exactly locking down our guys. Sure, Steve had 8 turnovers but that’s just because Conley was playing like it’s NBA 2K11 and Steve was gassed.
Our 2nd unit completely outplayed the starters, which is somewhat of a good sign. I just hope we see some more consistency from them in the next game. Let’s hope that they get enough rest today for tomorrow’s game.
I have returned, peoples. I think I suffer from a multiple personality disorder. I feel like a completely different person on this user vs EricSun89, RAWR.
Another thriller. Wow. But go, Suns!
This game was just a compilation of mixed emotions. At first, we were hitting nothing and the Grizzlies were sharp. I was like “Oh, man, that’s just not our night”. Then, fourth quarter happens and we’re up by 3 with Frye on the line to secure the game. I’m like “I CAN’T FUCKIN BELIEVE! WE WON!”. And then Rudy Gay happens. And then overtime happens. And then losing happens. In part, this seems to me like Chicago all over again.
But you know what? In the end I was a little frustrated, but not sad. In fact, I was happy. Last night just gave me more inspiration and desire to love even more the Suns. They fought back on a night that nothing was going their way. They played with heart. And if not for a couple of mistakes, they were going to win. Now I just want to say “Go, Suns!” even harder, for all my life.
On another note, I think the most stuppid mistake down the stretch was not fouling Gasol on the end of the overtime. He had the ball on his hands and could perfectly be put on the line. Even if he made 2 FTs, we could have the ball back with more time. Why didn’t it happen?
I look at our record and I just can’t believe we are .500 again. But if Gentry says we’re going to be a really good team, I believe him. And I say we’re getting closer inch by inch, even with these bad losses.
The Suns are tough!
by Diego Queiroz on Dec 9, 2010 2:38 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Turk is clutch
I know Turkoglu doesn’t rebound and isn’t a great defender, but this game seems to prove that he’s a clutch player.
by 8472species on Dec 9, 2010 3:57 PM MST reply actions
He does rebound. It's not great, but he had 7 last night, and has had as many as 10.
He’s averaging 4.1 in 26 minutes, and he’s getting better by the game.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Definitely.
He is becoming visibly more active on the boards as the season rolls on. I’ve been very pleased with the effort he’s been showing.
Anthony Tolliver says "Get that weak stuff outta here!"
EXTEND JASON RICHARDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he is just not yet comfortable to take the shot
but as the season progresses we will see the real Turk
Is that guy 28 or 38?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 9, 2010 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
When the hell is Lopez coming back
They said two weeks. It’s been, what, almost a month?
For those who hate me for being in the city that just acquired Amare'
I have to say
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MOOOOMMMYYYYYYYY
That is all
Hopefully only when he’s completely healthy.
by 8472species on Dec 9, 2010 5:06 PM MST up reply actions

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