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Amare and the Trade Deadline: An Exploration of Options

What is in store for us in the next few weeks? What does our future look like? Who will the Suns be next season and into the next decade? Read on after the jump...

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So I have been thinking about this issue for a while and it has caused me no small amount of anxiety and restless nights. So I decided to write a bit since it calms me down and because it allows me to interact with all of you about all this craziness so you can point out my flaws and inconsistencies but also so we can come to better understandings. Lets try it out.

We are all aware of the money issues for the team this year and the next but lets briefly go over them.

The Suns are currently 11th in payrolls at about 75 mil (minus Wallace and Pavlovic). This is below the Nuggets, the Jazz, the Mavs, Boston, and virtually every other playoff "power" in both the East and West. The luxury cap currently stands and 69.92 mil. As it is, we will be paying a slight tax which, we know, Sarver isn't happy about doing. Next season the luxury cap is supposed to drop to 61.2 mil (assuming a 5% decrease in Cap restrictions instead of 2.5...going for the extreme) in reponse to the further lowering of the salary cap by about 5mil. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4312837)

A few Suns factoids:

~The Suns are currently on the books for 62.8 mil next season without the contracts of Lou Amundson, Collins, or Griffin. This is assuming Amare, Hill, and Frye pick up their player options. This would mean we were about a million over the luxury.

~The four largest contracts on our roster account for 49.4 mil of this years 63.2 mil in active contracts. Next year, those four (assuming Amare) account for 49.5 mil of the 62.8 mil in active contracts (only a 10 man roster, must add 3 more). DO THE MATH: these four players have 78% of our roster this year, and (assuming we add 3 non-vet players at the minimum, 1 mil each) 83% next year.

~Nash's contract goes down 3 million from 13 this seaon to 10 due to his contract extension.

~LB's contract goes up about a 1million (7.1). He is signed through next year with a player option for 2011-12.

~Richardson's contract goes up 1 million(14.4). He has no player options after next year.

~Amare's contract goes up 1.3 million(17.6) if he takes his player option.

So here are the options for Amare and the Suns right now as I see it. Each of these has ramifications andI cannot cover all of them but will put a few options down.

1) We extend Amare to MAX money over 3-4 years. Next year he makes what he would have (17.6) and each year goes up about 1.3-1.6mil.

------>To get under the cap we trade Rich's contract in 2010-11 for expirings, picks and young talent.

-------> We trade LB and rely solely on our picks and youth to win.

PROBABLE RESULTS: we dont get much better. Maintain our talent for the most partand develop youth in the process. Meanwhile, other teams above us are having to cut a ton of salary because of the luxury line and we might be able to pick up some decent FA or a good trade. Overall, if we play our cards right, we come out slightly better because the youth step up  and play well.

 

2) We don't trade Amare and he walks at the end of the seaon to resign with another team. We lose his 17.6 mil contract but cannot sign more than an 8mil FA since you cannot sign over the cap. Top FA this year in our bracket include: Kenyon Martin, Kelenna Azubuike, Marcus Camby, David Lee, Al Harrington, Chris Duhon, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Carlos Boozer, Brenden Haywood.

-------> Probably take on one to two FA and resign Lou in an effort to stay under Luxury.

-------> Keep all the talent we have, maybe trade LB if price is right.

PROBABLE RESULTS: We get worse. Without a dominant big man (or really any big man...besides Lopez) and lacking our main source of scoring we cannot play the way we have trained. The Suns might pick up some good defenders but our orientation as a team towards offense will ultiamtely clash with this. Team identity will falter and cohesion will be at a low. Upside is we can still trade JRich for talent and picks but we are likely a lottery team.

 

3) We don't trade Amare and he realizes that right now he wont get a better deal so opts in for his last year. Our books are fine (see option 1) for the most part and we have several intriguing trade possibilities. With both Amare and Rich huge expiring contracts the Suns would be able to deal heavily to get just about whatever they wanted from the mid-level and lower level teams of the league looking to "blow it up."

PROBABLE RESULTS: Fans become really frustrated with Amare's lack of defense and consistent effort on the boards. The Suns remain a mid-level team having not picked up any good talent from the draft or FA. More or less same result this as this year, but with the promise of a much brighter future in 2011-12 and the rest of the decade. On a sad note, we also realize that Nash only has one year left and that it is no longer the SSOL Suns. The team is "blown up" by the trade deadline and something wholly new is constructed.

 

4) We trade Amare. This could go one of two ways:

------->a) we trade him for nothing, chump change and, if we are lucky, draft picks. We end up with maybe a few expirings but it doesn't matter becasue we still can't sign a really expensive FA this summer. If we are lucky, we pick up someone who ends up thriving alongside Steve Nash and we hold out for next season when JRich's contract is enticing enough for teams to bite and trade. Still, another year with Nash is wasted.

PROBABLE RESULTS: Nothing different than if Amare had walked (see above). We may get lucky with a young talent.

------->b) we trade him (plus others = Rich, LB) for other expensive contracts (Martin+Thompson/Iggy+Brand,Daly/J. O'Neil) and maybe draft picks. We take on extra money for a few more years but we stay competitive in the West. We have several years of precarious tax issues especially if the cap and tax continue to drop. However we also aquire young talent in the draft. The heavy years are spent developing young players and when the contracts reach "expiring" mode, we trade them off for more youth and picks.

PROBABLE RESULTS: Depending on who you pick up, the Suns could go from lower-level Playoffs to contenders for the next 2 years. After that, when Nash is gone, the team gets rewoven into something different and pieces are rearranged. The Suns stay competitive and continue to do well in the system set out for them because their youth is so energetic and athletic. FA's can be picked up to fill the gaps.

Poll
Which of the options would you choose?
Extend Amare. Its the best hope for the future.
32 votes
Let Amare walk. We have seen that we can win without him.
3 votes
Use Amare and Rich next season as enticing expirings to get talent and picks
13 votes
Trade Amare + ___ for solid players that will help us transition out of the Nash-Era
60 votes
None of the above.
4 votes

112 votes | Poll has closed

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I see a rebuiilding process that takes 3-4 years "Read tank"

I’m convinced that Gentry is just assistant coach material i.e. developing rookies but he’s not a tactician or our coach for the future.

by magenta on Feb 1, 2010 4:56 PM MST reply actions  

Ok

So what makes you think that? Being convinced is pretty strong. I haven’t seen a whole lot to suggest that he is any less of a coach than Dantoni or Porter for that matter. His player skills? His tactical skills? What?

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 1, 2010 9:35 PM MST up reply actions  

His ability to make adjustments is lacking after teams got used to our play this season

I don’t see Gentry coming up with interesting/potent plays at the end of quarters like Boston or benching some of our worst streaky shooters to remind them their shot selection needs to be better. Seriously how can any player be so streaky when you play with Nash? They need to be taken accountable.

Our only defensive set seems to be throwing zones at people. And we don’t seem to be going to the paint often, and we are becoming more and more 3-point reliant.

This isn’t good news. NBA teams have gotten used to hot 3-point shooting teams in the last 1-2 years and have made the necessary adjustments by loading up on athletic wing defenders.

by magenta on Feb 1, 2010 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

So let 's get one

athletic wing defender

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Feb 2, 2010 8:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Josh Howard

is in the doghouse right now. The Mavs are discovering that he and Marion cannot play at the same time. The offense gets bogged down because both get their offense when plays break down. The trouble is, Howard is a head case that smokes dope. Can Gentry get through to him?

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Feb 2, 2010 8:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah I am not so sure...

I have never really been a Josh Howard fan. I think he has some skills and talent but I think they are highly overrated. The reason (IMO) that he did so well several years ago is because Dirk was so good and he attracted the second best defender. I dont know, maybe I am wrong. Maybe its just his head-case stuff that is screwing him over.

whatever it is, I am not sure that I want it on the Suns team…especially one that will already be vulnerable with Amare gone.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

I don’t want Josh. He’ll be another Uncle Cliffy – dopehead with unique skills that the opposition cannot match when he is on. Josh has a little bit more attitude.

As far as his skill – no, he is not overrated. With his head on straight, he is a matchup nightmare, and approaches Marion in energy and defense while being a better shooter. His problems now are not due to lack of talent. He and Carlisle just don’t see eye to eye. They are having a power struggle now, and Rick has chosen not to play him, a la Keyshawn.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Feb 2, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Who?

Ginobili? Azubuike? Maybe Kenyon Martin. He’s a punk but damn he is a good defender. Would love to see that tenacity on the Suns.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Please, no more suggested trades for Ginobili

I don’t think I can handle Amare going to San Antonio.

It’s just seems blasphemous to me after the crap they gave us in the play-offs in the last few years.

I also think Manu is even more of a health risk than Nash these days…

by magenta on Feb 2, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol

Nice. No I agree. If Amare goes to the Spurs I will be tempted to disown him. And seeing Manu come here my make actually disown the Suns.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 3, 2010 8:02 AM MST up reply actions  

How about this

I think Amare is going to stay next year. I don’t think anyone wants to spend the max on him. I am encouraged about Lopez-Dragic-Clark. I believe the Suns in three years will feature those three starting at C, PG, and SF. This means we must place a priority on getting a SG and a PF.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Feb 2, 2010 8:51 AM MST reply actions  

Good.

I hope you are right personally. I heard someone say on RealGM that keeping Amare might be bad because after the CBA gets redone no one will want to take on his contract even as an expiring. I am not so sure about that, but still there may be some truth to it.

Personally, my first choice is to pry Iguodala away from the 76ers. That takes care of our SG problems but it leaves us without a strong PF. If we grab Daly from them as well in a deal to trade Rich and Amare then even better. We have two big men rebounders in the front court with a highly athletic SG. Love the look.

My second choice is to keep both Rich and Amare next year and use them in massive trades. Two huge expirings? Thats going to be great for us in a year. Outside of that, if Amare opts out I think we should try and sign Camby. That will bolster our front court until we can trade Rich’s contract as an expiring next year.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Is Camby about 80 years old by now?

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Feb 2, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

True.

But you have to admit the guy is flat out solid in the post. Few out there are better than Camby at rebounding and blocking. He doesn’t want the ball, is a great defender, rebounds well…what more do we want!

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 3, 2010 8:04 AM MST up reply actions  

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