Miami Heat Coming Hard For Amare
by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2010 7:40 AM MST
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PrintYo, Adrian! It's me, Amare. 
Ah come on, Adrian, it's true. I was nobody. But that don't matter either, you know? 'Cause I was thinkin', it really don't matter if I get traded. It really don't matter if this guy wants me, either. 'Cause all I wanna do is go the distance. Nobody's ever gone the distance with da Suns, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that trade bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood.
Just a few hours after Steve Kerr turns down the heat and Paul Coro reads between the lines and tamps down the fires of the trade talk furnace, our old friend and ultimate NBA insider Adrian Woj of Yahoo! Sports drops this mid-night bomb:
Miami Heat president Pat Riley has emerged as one of the most determined pursuers of Phoenix Suns forward Amar'e Stoudemire, proposing several different packages that make available any of his players short of Dwyane Wade, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The Heat have discussed several scenarios with the Suns, including packages that include combinations of young players (Michael Beasley, Dorell Wright) and expiring contracts (Jermaine O'Neal and Quentin Richardson) the Heat are also willing to part with their 2010 first-round draft pick.
"Nobody is pushing harder on this than Riley," one league source said.
We've already looked at the Heat deal which has been high on my list since this time last year because Miami is a place Amare would be happy to re-sign, the Heat need a front court star to pair with Wade and they've got plenty of assets to make a deal work.
In fact, I am just going to quote myself from a week ago making the case for why Amare makes sense for the Heat:
We already heard that the Heat like Bosh over Amare as the better defender but between Boozer and Amare I would give the edge to Sun Tzu.
If you are Miami do you wait until the summer and duke it out with about about 7 other teams who have cap space they've been promising their fans they will use on a big name or do you strike now at the only one of those guys available at the deadline. Amare Stoudemire.
The only new twist in Woj's story is the inclusion of Dorrell Wright, a 6' 9" small forward with five years experience whose biggest year minutes-wise was 25 per game in the 2007/08 season when Wade was out and the Heat won 15 games.
Color me skeptical, but since he's only a $2.8m expiring contract maybe he's a wing defender that the Suns could rent for the rest of the season. Whatever.
I still don't see how Jermaine O'Neal fits into any deal given that he's got a $23m contract, UNLESS the Heat are willing to take Barbosa. I am guess the Suns will try and throw in Jason Richardson - who the 76ers reportedly rejected - but that makes NO SENSE for Miami.
So to recap - Riley has a hard-on for Amare and is willing include any of his players (including Beasley, who I still have questions about) and a 1st rd draft pick (remember the Heat also have the Raptors' pick) to get Amare now as opposed to waiting until this summer. The fact that the Heat have lost 7 of their last 9 games certainly must have something to do with their renewed sense of urgency.
Just remember folks, there's only 8 more days until the trade deadline. This can't go on forever.
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Man if the Suns were able to get rid of JRich in this package that would be ideal, it would leave us with about $38M in contracts for next season we could definitely be players in the FA market.
With that lineup I don’t see why the Heat couldn’t challenge some of the better teams in the East in the playoffs.
It's not the Heat line-up, I'd be worried about...
It’s ours and the possiblity of missing the playoffs and just being good enough to get like the 13th or 14th pick…We don’t get better like this..
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
+ 1: Trade Nash or Amare and we will probably miss the play-offs
And trading Amare for other potential bad contracts like Iggy and Samuel sounds more like another vintage Kerr panic mid-season trade.
I doubt they take JRich
So would this be what a potential deal would look like? http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfvsqaa
Q/Beasley/Wright + Toronto’s pick for Amare/Griffin?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Why would anybody want Griffin???
I am not even sure why we wanted him…Better just to offer the team some cash…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
You guys like to draft
the brothers of college stars. Drafted Robin and Taylor because Kerr figured, “In the genes.”
Robin is panning out -
and could be better than Brook…
Give Taylor some time – :)
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Robin and Brooke went 2 picks apart
Its not like we gambled on Robin, the kid played very well at Stanford.
It was more of a joke...
and I agree, Robin wasn’t a bad pick at all in that draft. He has a high floor guy (and 5 picks later). Not a lot of guys picked after him are making a huge impact, so I’d say you got good value with that pick.
I don’t think he could be better than Brook though. I feel bad for Brook’s situation. Really nothing he can do. But Brook’s a really good player with a better skill set than his brother. Brook’s a better passer and isn’t getting that much help in NJ and he still has a PER of 21 this season with a 22% usage rate. But, Robin is no punk either.
Five picks apart.
http://www.nba.com/draft2008/board.html
Also, I really doubt Robin will EVER have the offensive game Brook has, no amount of teaching will give Robin talent like that. I like Robin for his hustle, length, defense, and blocks….I would like to see more work on the glass though. Robin could be a 10/10 guy, Brook is already a 20/10 guy.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
I think Robin will be a 20/10 guy
he has very soft touch around the rim and shoots his free throws very well – you couple that with his ferocity around the rim/on the glass and his developing pick and roll game and there is no reason he couldn’t develop into a very serious offensive threat.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Not to mention
he has a very good hook shot – almost unguard-able.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
A few thoughts
1) JRich makes not sense on Miami. DWade plays his position and needs the ball 85% of the time. JRich will be relegated to a spot-up shooter that gets about 5 shots per game.
2) I remember playing the dynasty mode in NBA Live 2004, and Dorrell Wright became a franchise player by 2009. His overall rating was something like 92. And the best PG in the league then was Sebastian Telfair.
3) Watching Beasley will be between 4 and 87 times as frustrating as watching Amare. I don’t know if I’m ready for that.
4) Why doesn’t the Heat just take Shaq back so Marion (and Marcus Banks) can be a Sun again.
Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!
Wade plays the point 75% of the time, throw JRich at the 2 or whatever and I think that would be a Nasty back court.
Yeah, but Nash has the ball for the express purpose of giving it to someone else. I’m probably wrong about Richardson, though.
Wade averages 7 dimes a game this year, he is a facilitator who draws a double team which could be a very good thing for JRich
Well, I wouldn’t mind trading him to the Heat, but the Heat barely have anything worthwhile to offer for Stoudemire, much less both Stoudemire and Richardson.
Beasley, a first rounder and expiring… I love Richardson, but look at the FA list for this offseason
we could spend that 12M on other players, or we’d even be able to give a Bosh a max deal with all of the cap space we’d have.
Amen to that
This is really one team that I feel would be a third or fourth trading partner option…I see Chicago, NJ & Philly as ahead of Miami…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
:) You’d better be speaking tongue-in-cheek about the video game. I haven’t played a basketball video game since I had NBA Live ’96 for my Super Nintendo, but back then, I used to make my favorite player, Jeff Hornacek, score 120 points per game. Beat that for absurdity.
I was serious
In Dynasty mode, the players develop and age. The old guys would start to suck after a few years, and the new guys better. They even have made-up rookies that come into the league every year. I guess when they made the game, both Wright and Telfair were considered to have ridiculous upside potential, which the dynasty mode felt the need to realize.
Another guy that made it in there but not in real life is Maciej Lampe.
Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!
Jermaine O'Neal; Suns-Heat-76ers trade?
I wanted to ask about this, but wasn’t paying attention to Miami until now, because I think they have nothing to offer the Suns. What is it about Jermaine O’Neal that makes him of no interest at all in a trade, which you obviously think, Mr. Pollack? I don’t know much about him except that he rebounds, blocks, has a huge expiring contract, and has been hampered by injuries recently. He couldn’t fit into the Suns’ system any worse than Shaquille O’Neal, and he’s younger and doesn’t have a weight problem. And with that expiring contract,, he poses no financial risk. If he doesn’t work out, he can be cut loose.
So the 76ers and Heat both want Amare Stoudemire. Only one of them can have him, but what if each of the three teams had a player one of the others wanted? Maybe they could all get something they want in a three-team trade.
it's a numbers game
He’s making $23m this season and Amare is under $17m. The Suns won’t want to take back more salary then they are giving up so they need to include LB to balance it out. LB + Amare = JO (salary-wise).
But the Suns can’t just give LB and Amare and only get back JO so you have to include Beasley which bumps it up to $27m the Suns would be getting back so the Suns have to include another $4m contract to even it out which they don’t have.
Amare and JRich for JO and Beasley works numbers wise but first – that’s too much talent to give up for JO and Beasley and second JRich isn’t doing well here b/c he’s not getting enough touches. A backcourt with Wade and Jason is a disaster. Maybe they play Jason at the 3 but the Heat are a team that values defense to much to put Amare, Jason, Wade along with who Haslem and Arroyo on the court together. Too small.
I have nothing against renting JO for the rest of the season per se…
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2010 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
Hmm. I was just saying that like Wade, Richardson would want the ball. Want, need, whatever—I meant that he needs it to be effective, not that he’s selfish.
we do agree on that
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2010 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
Seth wouldn't you rather send away JRich so we can free up some cap space for this Summer?
I know we’d be giving too much talent away but its not like there isn’t an abundance that can be signed for 12m this summer…
Send him away, not give him away
We still need someone capable of playing the 2 until LB gets his act together..
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Maybe but
just b/c we want something doesn’t mean it makes sense for the other side….
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
Not sure I am following your train of thought...
Please explain…thanks…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Please
no Beasley, over-rated, over hyped, please God no.
Take the two No. 1 picks, Miami’s and Toronto’s and Dorell Wright, and a expiring contract. Just no to Beasley, that would be a huge mistake.
+1. Beasley sounds like a knucklehead. At least he isn’t known to hate his country like fellow drug user Josh Howard.
I’m not a big fan of Beasley either, admittedly i have not watched alot of him but i would not be that excited about picking him up. Where are we going to play him at? don’t like him at a 4 we wil be weak. we already have jared dudly and earl clark at the 3 so what it the point of getting him?
rgreyslak@gmail.com ____ twitter @rgreyslak
Beasley has all the makings of a guy who will be just as good, if not better than Amar'e in a few years
Turning beasley down would be the huge mistake, especially if thw only reason you would do so is because a 20year old who had just become a millionaire and moved to SOUTH BEACH overnight, may or may not have experimented with recreational drugs. Hell, its not like he’s lenny bias.
Wow
I don’t get the Beasley love, better than Amare, no way. Beasley will find more trouble, count on it. Do I have a crystal ball, No, just a gut feeling.
+1
Where do we play Beasley?
He is too weak to be a 4 for us in my opinion, and we already have JD and Clark to play the 3. What do we do with him? not a fan of beasley here.
rgreyslak@gmail.com ____ twitter @rgreyslak
people were saying
Clark is big enough to play the 4… and you think Beasley is too weak? the dude is STRONG! IMHO, Doing a trade with Amare & JRich for expirings & Beasley would be awesome. It’d free up a decent amount of money for the FA market. We wouldn’t be the Nets or the Knicks, but we’d be players for guys looking for $10-12 million + If we get just above the salary cap, then we can sign someone for MLE as well. It’s not up to me though.
I’m not so sure he will be an Amare but he is very young I’d rather take my chances on Beasley than Iggy.
agree to disagree
I think the opposite, because a big man who scores but doesn’t defend is much easier to find than a swingman who defends well and can score a little.
Agreed only in the fact that
Beasley is oozing with potential and has a smaller contract.
If it was just on how much I like the players/how much I want them on the Suns, I’d take Iggy. Hands down.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 10, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Do you really like Beasley though? I think Earl Clark could easily turn out to be as good or better then Beasley. The guy shows talent, just not hitting his shots yet.
rgreyslak@gmail.com ____ twitter @rgreyslak
I do like Beasley.
Clark is going to take a few years to develop. That’s a given.
But, imagine that if Clark develops into the player I (and others…but some aren’t sold) think he will. Start him at the SF slot and Beasley at PF. That would be one tough to deal with tandem. Both are athletic as all get out. Both can dribble and create (which will also get better with time). Both can shoot from range.
I like it.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 10, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Lol Clark can shoot from range
he just can’t get those shots in the basket yet :)
Gottat do your research on Beasley
After that you will figure out that Michael Beasley has the potential to implode. Not sure if the Suns want a guy like that. If there’s a candidate to be the next Ron Artest, it’s Michael. Amare, even with the ego and the aloofness, won’t go psycho on you. Who wants a guy that causes disruption or does tupic crap when he gets out of sorts??? Gotta factor these issues in when you consider a trade…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
i consider his delonte west pt. 2 and he’s gonna be a gun-toting psycho.
by kuato lives on Feb 10, 2010 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
Beasley also has the potential to be a 25-10 guy, with three pt range
he might not get there but he’s 21 on a rookie deal, that means he’s cheap if he doesn’t pan out. I’m all for a bit of Artest-esque craziness (2009 version not detroit 2004 version) if it means getting that.
Exactly.
If we’re going on potential and contract size, bring on Beasley.
However, if we’re wanting to win now, we might want to consider Iggy.
I really just want to keep this group together until the offseason. But I don’t know if I say no to a guy like Beasley…sure, he has his problems, but the dude could be straight up ridiculous in a few years.
Bright Side of the Sun, for all things Phoenix Suns. Twitter: @iamtrevorpaxton
by Trevor Paxton on Feb 10, 2010 11:16 AM MST up reply actions
No doubt man
I’d rather roll the dice on Beasley than take on a large Iggy contract. Amare was a fluke to be so good so young, Beasley out of Dade Countywould probably be the best thing for him.
Yep same here
No to Beasley
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
Thank you
I am just not ready for the Beasley side-show…We have our own known car that occasionally needs a recall in Amare…We don’t need a new one that we have to figure out all over again…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
You have to be kidding me
franchise cornerstone? Amare is twice the player that Beasley is, and Amare is not a franchise cornerstone.
Uh Amare is 27. Beasley is 21.
Beasley’s got a little time to improve here. And anyway, I said of the players in trade talks, meaning of all the players we’ve discussed trading Amare for, he’s got the best chance of being that cornerstone.
And it's not like he's averaging Tyrus Thomas numbers.
Tyrus is the definition of a guy who could be just the player we need, but after four years in the league, hasn’t figured it out yet. So THAT would be rolling the dice.
However, In Beasley’s second year in the league, he’s averaging 15.7 points, 6.7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.4 steals-plus-blocks, and shooting 46.2% from the field. That would likely go up with Nash giving him feeds/running the pick and roll with him.
I would much rather center a trade on Beasley and take on his potential than have to take on Sammy D/Elton Brand to get Iggy. While I like Iggy better, I think taking on one of those players hurts our young gun Lopez. Unless they’re willing to do Iggy + Speights for Amare straight up, then I’ll do that.
Bright Side of the Sun, for all things Phoenix Suns. Twitter: @iamtrevorpaxton
by Trevor Paxton on Feb 10, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
Didn’t he just get caught with some grass? It wasn’t like he got caught in a hotel room with 3 hooker$ and some blow, meth, or heroin.
I have more issues with his game then getting caught with some weed. They say alot of the players in the NBA smoke in the offseason. He was dumb and posted a picure with it in it.
rgreyslak@gmail.com ____ twitter @rgreyslak
As far as I’ve ever heard, the Suns do not tolerate drug use, and users (Richard Dumas, Cliff Robinson) get dumped at the first opportunity.
by species8473 on Feb 10, 2010 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah i don’t think he is open constant drug user. Seems like after his stupid mistakes he has it together now.
The new management seems to be a little less judgemental ( jason richardson ) then the colangelo days where he didn’t take crap
I remember Dumas dunking I loved watching that guy when I was younger too bad he was a drug mess.
rgreyslak@gmail.com ____ twitter @rgreyslak
Judgmental? Please. This is a business. If Jason Richardson had been traded as punishment for his stupid and irresponsible act of speeding with his son unsecured in the back seat, I would have understood fully.
by species8473 on Feb 10, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Oh, and about Dumas: He was good, and under normal circumstances I would never have held a grudge over Richard Dumas after he “did his time,” but the man screwed up the Suns’ chance to get Dennis Rodman.
by species8473 on Feb 10, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
Lol so you say you don't want beasley because he may or may have been caught with some weed
and then you say you wanted Rodman. Double Standards much?
Dalembert would be a Suns season killer you guys hate that Amare wants a large contract but are willing to pay 13 Million for a guy who can ONLY rebound and block shots???? You guys are nutso
Be careful what you ask for you may just get it...
This is one wish I think you will want back when it’s all said and done…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Why is everybody hating on Jrich?
the guy plays hard. Hustles, rebounds is a good offensive player and his teammates on the Suns love him. not to mention he can cause match up problems by posting up smaller guards
Steve Nash plays D!!
Real players in FA market?
As far as I know we won’t be signing Lebron, Wade and Bosh (I doubt they’ll take less than 20 mil. per year). So that leaves us where? Johnson, Nowitzki (whom I would love to pair with Nash), Boozer,& Josh Howard. I doubt the FO could snag one of them.
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
Have you seen the FA report online?
google it man, there are tons of prospects probably 100 free agents this summer some really good names on that list as well
why couldn’t we land Bosh?? we’d have max to pay him if we shipped JRich, him and Nash are pals, PHX is a really good city to play for, compare PHX to the other cities that would be able to get him… I think we’d have a good chance.
A marquee FA just isn’t a sure thing, whether you have money or not. You never know whether one will want to come to a particular city. I understand Bosh is from Texas, so maybe he’d rather go to a Texas team.
by species8473 on Feb 10, 2010 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
Dude Bosh isn’t our only option for a really good FA google “free agent 2010 NBA” it will give you a list, see for yourself, there will be a ton of FA’s and not a lot of money floating around this offseason. If we could free up 20 million or so trading away JRICH we could get a couple really nice pieces.
Gotta produce for what you get paid in the Valley....
When you’re making what he makes, the Suns expected a lot more…On the knicks his production would be overlooked, here it’s an eyesore that has to be dealt with…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I'll tell you what sense getting JO makes
we could bounce him to Philly for Dalembert iggy and maybe speights or their first rounder (the last 2 are unlikely). Imagine, after thinking for months we’d get crap for amar’e if the players we acquired were:-
Iggy, Beasley, Dalembert, Speights/Philly 1st rounder/ Heat First rounder.
Just mentioning
Beasley, Sam and Speights on the Suns I get ill. Iggy I like, the picks I like, the rest can go play somewhere else.
Iggy would be great
But if we could flip JRich to Miami, I’d almost rather save that cash from Dalembert and Iggy and just let Jermain Oneal expire, so we’d have 20 million give or take to spend this Summer.
why talk of bouncing/flipping players?
As far as I know, you cannot immediately re-trade a traded player. So what you suggest couldn’t happen until after the season.
Maybe...maybe not
Three team deals seldon benefit anyone team and with the SUns luck, who do you think is going to get the short stick???
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Remember QRich in this offseason?
Dude was traded 4 times. 4. Times. In less than three months.
I don’t think there’s any shortage of time that you can trade a player.
Bright Side of the Sun, for all things Phoenix Suns. Twitter: @iamtrevorpaxton
by Trevor Paxton on Feb 10, 2010 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
You wouldn't even need JO to do it
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygzy2ro
Of course this depends on whether Philly wanted Amar’e for the player or the expiring contract. If it was the contract, which i think it was, i don’t see why they wouln’t go for this trade. If it was because they actually wanted STAT, then they wouldn’t do this deal.
salaries would have to work but the talent is there...
beasley is a head case but really talented…
wright is a good wing defender
the heats 1st will probably be 15-20th overall this year even with Stat since they are just about .500 right now… this draft is deep so another good young player
As long as we get a nanny for Beasley...
Something about the boy ain’t quite right…Has a lot of potential but What what I’ve seen, he’s a headcase…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I watched the guy
at K-State, and in some Miami games. It appears he constantly has a chip on his shoulders, has a attitude and doesn’t look like he has any fun at all.
I stay way clear.
No friggin way you watched him at K-State if you think he didn't have any fun.
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 10, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
I think getting the ball from Steve Nash would probably increase just about anyone's fun level.
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 10, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions
Good point
I just think Beasley has other issues, like I said I am not a shrink, just my gut talking.
Right on.
And in full disclosure I’m completely in the bag for Beasley the way the U of A guys are completely in the bag for Iggy.
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 10, 2010 9:44 AM MST up reply actions
Not everyone is nutswinging off of Iggy
Quite a few of us here that believe that Phoenix management has blinders on when it comes to AI2…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Thank god it's not everyone then.
Because some of it leaves me scratching my head.
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 10, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
I'm dumfounded as well as to the fascination...
Iggy is a nice player, don’t get me wrong, but I think some on here have made him out to be Lebron James lite….I personally don’t see much more than what JRich currently has to offer…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I don't know about not having fun...
I don’t know that he is highly immature and maybe has some personal issues that have to be addressed. I’d rather have a guy that is a couple of years older and more mature like Carl Landry…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
A nanny won't work
What he needs is a shrink. When you get a tattoo that reads “SUPERCOOLBEAS” it only means you has a lot of personal issues to work with.
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
So why would this even be a consideration?
When I do my analysis of potential trading partners, Miami was scratched off for three reasons;
1) They already pawned Shaq off onto us
2) They have leftover garbage to offer
3) Beasley is not an ideal PF (Kinda a tweener). I rate Landry, Hickson, Gay and several others ahead of him as good young bigs to play our 4.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Gay and Beasley are both 6'9
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
Well you kind of skewed stats to make your point Gay is one inch shorter 6’8 and Beasley is one inch taller 6’10
Gay plays SF while Beasley plays PF
Gay will get 12-16 million in FA market, Beasley is making 6-7
If Beasley is 6'10"....I got development property to sell you...
I know what the team guides say…, After seeing a couple heat games in person while in Atlanta, Michael Beasley is about the same height as Haslem (about 6’8")
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Lol well considering Gay is a 3
Beasley couldn’t possibly be less of a tweener than him.
Hmm
I might the JO part of the trade if we could drop I’m leandro on top. The reason being we would have nearly 15 mil to spend this summer if a did. That might be worth it…or would have been 2 weeks ago when the Suns were sucking it up. Now? Unless we are getting some major pieces back (read: Iggy) then I am for standing pat.
Reading is good...
by N8lol on Feb 10, 2010 9:19 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Amare at 21; Beasley at 21
Amare at 21 (per 36 min stats)
FG FGA eFG% FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
7.3 15.4 .476 .713 2.8 6.0 8.8 1.4 1.1 1.6 3.1 20.1
Beasley at 21 (per 36 min stats)
FG FGA eFG% FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
7.3 15.8 .479 .800 2.0 5.8 7.8 1.5 1.1 0.6 1.9 18.2
There’s not a whole lot of difference here, and certainly not enough of a difference to call Beasley half the player that Amare is.
Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.
My problem is
I don’t see Beasley improving that much to be a elite player, or even an All star caliber player, this is my opinion.
Whoa, those charts did not transfer
Here they are again, hopefully more readable:
Amare at 21
eFG%: .476
FT%: .713
TRB: 8.8
Ast: 1.4
Stl: 1.1
Blk: 1.6
TOV: 3.1
Pts: 20.1
Beasley at 21
eFG%: .479
FT%: .800
TRB: 7.8
AST: 1.5
STL: 1.1
BLK: .6
TOV: 1.9
PTS: 18.9
Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.
The problem with those stats
is that Amare was actually playing those minutes, where Beasley doesn’t get that run b/c he’s not trusted by his coach down the stretch..
Amare
played 36.8 mpg in 03-04.
Beasley plays 31.0 mpg this year.
So yes there is a six minute difference.
It’s also worth noting that this year’s Heat is at least mediocre (27-29) while the 03-04 Suns were awful (29-53).
Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.
Neither did Amare.
Those statistics are from 2003-2004, the year before Nash arrived.
Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.
Beasley
I have watched A LOT of Beasley since he was @ K State, and if you guys think Amare is frustrating, I can’t wait till you watch him game after game! He’s actually WORSE both on the boards and on D, he’s not tall enough to deal w/ bigs out west, he’s an absolute GUNNER who doesn’t even play down the stretch of games b/c his head coach & Wade don’t trust him…oh and he’s an absolute HEAD CASE who’s already been to drug rehab and had issues with marijuana in college. By the way PLEASE do not compare him and Amare at the same stage of their careers, Amare came in as a 19 year old rookie and won rookie of the year, turning a lottery team into a team that took the Spurs (eventual champs) to 6 games, then as a 20 yr old was named to the olympic team…before Nash arrived…Beasley will be a HUGE MISTAKE, anyone remember a guy named Dumas??
Beasley inconsistencies will make Steve Nash slit his wrists....
If you think Matt Barnes took bad shots, wait till you see Mr. Beasley in person…Anybody out there stop to ask why in the world a team like Miami would give away a 21 year old stud PF???
After watching the games he has played in, I personally feel he should come off the bench and let Haslem start.
Lessee…Doens’t play any defense, can’t block shots, doesn’t rebound particularly well and drifts about as much as Tyrus Thomas…Is this somebody we really want on the team…?
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
If he doesn’t get traded, I expect him to be bought out.
by species8473 on Feb 10, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
Are you referring to one each Tyrus Thomas?!?
If so, we need to steer clear of him as well…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Just say no.
The way we’re playing now, there’s no way Miami gives the Suns enough to justify trading Amar’e. Honestly, if he’s consistently playing as hard as he has the last few games, and is inclined to stay, I’d say keep him.
Beasley would be a huge mistake. The only way this makes sense is a salary dump and that rarely (almost never) makes a team better. With Nash, we don’t have time to rebuild. So make the most of what we have and have fun! Keep Amar’e, develop Clarke, continue to develop Lopez and Dudley, draft well.
Here's what Coro has to say about Beasley:
“Next, here’s another link on how Miami President Pat Riley will be chasing Stoudemire hard over the next week leading up to the trade deadline. One of the scenarios involves Michael Beasley and that just won’t happen, unless he is a piece the Suns would be taking to move on somewhere else. The other scenario mentioned involved expiring contracts (Jermaine O’Neal and Quentin Richardson) but the Suns would need a first-round pick and a young talent to be remotely interested in that one. And just who would that young player be on Miami’s roster? Don’t even bother looking. Nothing to see there.”
Not bad....not bad at all...
I could live with this…I would still prefer to keep Amare, but if we had to do one, this would be okay…Still a matter of having Iggy and JRich who play the same position…(Grant does better starting versus coming off the bench)
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Thats a luxury big market teams can have...
Teams like PHX can’t have a sixth or seventh man drawing JRich type of money…Blows our budget out of whack…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
jrich still can play 30 minutes a game though. its not like hes only going in for 15
but then next year hill retires, iggy goes to the 3. jrich to the 2.
Sounds good in theory...
But I say again, PHX will not allow JRich to remain on the team and come off the bench getting the money he gets…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I disagree, because he makes the same amount of money whether starting or not.
by species8473 on Feb 10, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
he was coming off the bench before barbosa got injured. granted it was only for a few games, but it shows that a bigger contract doesnt necessarily mean you start.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Feb 10, 2010 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
We gotta agree to disagree
JRich and his ability to contribute vis a vis monetary compensation is a major factor for the Suns going into this trading deadline…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
they already had him off the bench this season. remember?
he had 8 pts and 2 reb in 24 min against memphis
26 and 7 in 28 min against the nets and
12 and 8 in 30 min against the bulls.
after he go accustomed to it, barbosa got hurt and then was thrust back in the starting lineup.
its a fact you never play your best 5.
If we get Iggy, JRich is a good as gone...
I get that he came off the bench earlier…Gentry was desperate to try to get the team going…Bottom line, if the Amare situation goes south and we get Iggy in a trade that doens’t involve JRich…. by hook or by crook, Stevie Boy Wonder is gonna pawn him off on somebody….
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
and
im perfectly fine with him doing that next season for draft picks. hes at least worth one first rounder right?
He's a $14 million expiring contract the season before a new CBA
he could be worth A LOT.
That’s extremely good, but how do you know the 76ers want Jermaine O’Neal?
(By the way, considering O’Neal’s injury history, I propose nicknaming him Jermaine O’Knee.)
by species8473 on Feb 10, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Nobody wants J. O'Neal except for the expiring...
If Philly is trying to rebuild, its a means to the end….
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Nobody wants O’Neal? Nobody wants the 76ers either,. as far as I can tell…
by species8473 on Feb 10, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
hes 23 million dollars
and expiring. thats basically all hes good for. oh and they get beasley talent with huge expiring contract.
Thats a pipe dream
That trade works, in theory and on the trade machine, however, do you really see the 76ers giving away 5 players for, essentially, Beasley in return? If your arguement is that they would be freeing up $ to sign free agents in the summer, then that trade still doesn’t work because there is no one left on the team to persuade a free agent to sign there. If anything, I definitely think Miami would be ecstatic if this trade went down. They get rid of everything holding them down and get STAT and Kapono back, plus get to keep their draft picks.
So to recap, Miami makes out like a bandit. The Suns save a little money, but get no picks in return while clogging the bench with similar athletic players like Iggy, JRich, Carney, and Clark; and the 76ers have a fire sale, dump everyone on their team practically, except for Dalembert, receive another center (even though he’s an expiring contract) in JO and Beasley to replace Iggy. Hmmmm.
As a Suns fan, if Stat is on his way out, I would except this trade in a heartbeat. Stat goes to the East, where you would only have to play him 2x a year. We stay just as young and get some quality players in return. I just don’t see the 76ers even coming near this trade. Too much for them while getting too little in return.
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
Miami's roster is like the landscape of the moon...
Honestly, the more I think about it, this has to be something the sportwriters made up…. I truly hope Kerr isn’t condering taking back any of the refuse that Pat Riley has to offer…
Kerr got served before dealing with Riley, what’s it gonna take to make him learn his lesson???
Please don’t say another suspect trade…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Sucks....I really wanted Beasley
But I’m glad Coro’s bringing out the truth-hammer.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
he's playin well
i think pat riley is barking up the wrong tree he has no chips to bring to the table besides the one i want in d-wade and that won’t happen i have a good feeling that amare may just be staying put with is just fine with me as long as he plays like he has recently and the suns as well.
Early Christmas wish.....
I have one early Christmas wish this year, other than meeting the girl of my dreams for a hot, passionate evening of wild romance, and that is for Steve Kerr not to mess this one up. So far, he’s been fantastic this year. Getting rid of Shaq and picking up Frye has worked nicely for us. Resigning Nash and Hill was key. I sincerely hope he keeps it up for the remainder of this year. I mean, I hope he doesn’t give Amare away for something in return that doesn’t make us a better team now and tomorrow. I mean, I understand the idea of rebuilding. But we’re a playoff team right now, possibly a 4 spot. We’re playing well together right now. Coach Gentry has made some great adjustments and look at the results: Lopez is coming into his own and doing well as a starter. Frye coming off the bench hasn’t worked out too badly. He’s had a couple of good games and is still getting his minutes in. Sun Tzu has played well as of late and getting his scoreing up. I mean, this is a good team right now. Why not keep what we got and just keep developing our young guys like Lopez, Dragic and Clark, and work on addressing our future needs through drafting. We probably have at least one more year if not more with Nash and Hill. If the younger guys can continue to improve and step up big the end of this year and next, look out!
Geo
I don't get
This idea that Kerr isn’t going to do his best to make the club better this year. That’s all he talks about. The last practice report is full of Kerr quotes that make it very clear he will not:
1. Give anything away or make a trade for the sake of making a trade
2. Give up on this season
3. Give up on making the Suns a playoff contender this year and the next and the next…
What we are seeing (just as Seth and others predicted) is that as the deadline nears, the offers are going to get better as more teams get more desperate to deal with their needs.
Everything we’ve seen thus far is foreplay, Kerr clearly knows that, and he didn’t bite on anything that wouldn’t make this team better NOW. While it may be understandable for some to doubt is ability as GM given some of the questionable transactions that have occurred in the past, there is no reason to believe he would repeat any alleged mistakes again. If anything, he will be a better GM by learning from his mistakes.
With that said, I don’t like this deal, and I don’t think Kerr likes it. Bringing in Beasley in place of Amare doesn’t make the squad any better now. Bringing in Dorell Wright? Same story.
The only thing I like about this deal is the proposed first rounder. WE DO NOT HAVE ONE.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 10, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t like that either, but at least the Suns have a slight history of finding second-round steals (Jeff Hornacek and Goran Dragic). This doesn’t look like a great draft, either.
by species8473 on Feb 10, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
Eh
I think he’s got the team’s long-term future in mind more than its immediate future. He’s not going to say anything that implies the Suns have no other option than to trade Amare. That would eliminate all of the Suns’ leverage in any deal.
HM
Sure Kerr isn’t going to reveal his hand, which is probably why he has stopped commenting, but when you make public statements about competing now, you’ll have a hard time justifying a deal that contradicts that if you pick up some expiring trash and a draft pick while giving away a fan favorite and 20 ppg guy.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 10, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
realistic about Frye
Frye is only okay. He’s like Barbosa—shooting three-point shots all the time and being either hot or cold.
Thing about Frye
is he is now being asked to do things on the defensive end he’s never had to do before. It’s what made him so expendable in the past. Banging on the boards-no, defense-no, soft-yes. Yes he’s here to make threes. But one of his problems early on was his hesitation to shoot every time he was open. That and playing as advertised-not rebounding or defending is what landed him on the pine. Not to mention Lopez’s resurgence.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 10, 2010 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
looking at the standings: Spurs might miss playoffs
We can already see that the Spurs are highly unlikely to win a championship this season (having gambled on Richard Jefferson, and lost), but look at where they are in the standings. Between those things, I think it’s likely the Spurs will make it as the eighth seed and get bounced by the Fakers (although if they upset the Lakers, they deserve great things), and possible that neither the Suns nor anyone else will see the Spurs in these playoffs at all. That would actually be too bad, because the Suns frankly are better than the Spurs this year, and could win a series against them.
Lol, you sure about that.
Iggy vrs J-Rich. Lets get this right.
1. J-Rich is very streaky and so is Iggy.
2. Both are athletic and good finishers.
3. Iggy is younger.
4. Neither can create their own shots.
5. However, Iggy can create for others while J-rich can’t.
6. Iggy is a better defender and would most likely guard Lebron and Kobe for us as well as some of the pg’s out there that Nash can’t gaurd.
7. Both are good rebounders for their size, but as or right now Iggy is a bit better, but not by much.
9. Iggy can play 3 positions while J-Rich can play 2.
8. J-Rich averages 14 and 5 while Iggy averages 17, 7, 6.
Iggy is a very good player, but not a guy to build a franchise around. He’s the perfect guy you would team up with a Franchise player. He is a poor man’s Scottie Pippen. He would make a good sidekick. As far as fitting with this team goes; he’s kind of a mix between Marion and Diaw.
I don't understand how you can say iggy can't create his own shot
He averages 17 points and 6 assists on a team with Allen Iverson at point guard.
he finds a way to hoist em up all the time
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 10, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
Well, will just have to find out. I’ve heard that he can and can’t.
He is a definite improvement though. As far as rebounding goes he isn’t that much better than J-Rich if not the same. His play-making abilities and defense is what puts him over J-Rich not mention his younger age as well.
Also, keep in mind that if Amare doesn’t agree to an extension and that we have to trade him the 76ers are still our top interest according to league sources. However, they don’t want J-Rich which means if Sarver is wiling to take on that money than J-Rich will be with us for at least the rest of the season. If that happens I would expect both Rich and Dally to be traded in the off-season or by next years deadline.
Iggy can create his own shot and shots for others. I would rather have him any day over jrich if that is the debate
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the rap
on Iggs is he often abandones his playmaking ability to toss up threes. but i concur, i’d rather have him than Rich. Let’s not forget he plays on the 76ers so I imagine he’s not getting the assists he could on a better team
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 10, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
I really like IGGY
But lets get real Jrich gets 33 min a game Iggy gets 41-42, I sure hope he can grab an extra couple boards in an extra 10 min, his shooting percentages are way below JRICH’s.
We all know he is better player than JRich but get real he’s not that much of an upgrade
Raja is a mere shadow of what he was for us back in the Dantoni days
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thank you
and he’s played in 6 games this season. never return the well, kids, things done changed.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 10, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
Plus he had season (or near season) ending wrist surgery
He would only be useful as an expiring contract.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 10, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
i want him back for next season.
ps. haters gonna hate
by kuato lives on Feb 10, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
okay
what do you guys feel about this trade?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk7y4vp
would miami do it then?
what draft picks would be tossed around?
Dragic. Wright. Clark. Beasley. Lopez
Would finally have a future.
my 3 cents
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh2cjrb
philly get starting line up of iverson jrich beasly brand adn o niel and a team salary of 69.8 with 12 players need someone to sign for around 100k to stay under lux tax
miami get stoudamire dalemebert and willie green and salary of 69.3
phoenix get igoudala t young j kapano q rich and a 2010 first round pick from miami as Amare is the best payer being traded. salary is 74.5m so nothing changes there
Hahahha
This was my trade prediction. If reports are true and Riley is that motivated then he will get STAT. The Suns will get Amare 2.0 in Beasley, save money and stay competitive. People say Beasley is too small but he is 6’10 235, Amare is 6’10 249. Beasley is also SIX YEARS YOUNGER. He could easily add bulk and not sacrifice his game at all. 235 is a few chimichangas away from 249…and as inhabitants of Phoenix know is in no shortage in the valley of the sun. Beasley already has range, something Amare didn’t have this young and Beasley did shoot the three ball with reasonable success in college at a .379 clip. In the NBA he is shooting 34.9% for his career, 40% last year but a big drop off this year at only 27%. Unless we can’t work out an extension or do the Sacramento trade (We trade Amare, receive martin, thompson, hilton armstrongs expiring deal and an unprotected first round pick) we should do this deal. Although, I’d rather not throw in Richardson and recieve Jermaine O’Neal, that would leave us with no depth at SG. I think a trade of Amare for Beasley/Q-Rich’s expiring deal and a first round draft pick would be more than enough to save money, stay competetive and get a guy who in a few years time will be an equal replacement for Amare.
Also, everyone stop abusing the NBA trade machine. There isn’t going to be a 3 way, 12 player super trade between Phoenix, Phila, and Miami. Sorry. If the 76ers wanted Amare they could of had him, they called off the trade. Miami is for sure a place where Amare would want to play and stay there for a while with Wade…I don’t think Phili and an old Iverson and a crappy coach in Eddie Jordan would be too helpful to Amare.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that in eight days Amare will still be throwin’ down some slamajama’s in Orange but if not Beasley/Wright and a first round pick is enough to keep us competitive and have a bright, bright future in Phoenix.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
I cant wait to watch Amare in South Beach, move Amare from my favorite team to my second favorite team it all works for me.
Imagine that pick and roll!!!
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Never have liked them much. It’s nothing about the players, the coach, anything. I just don’t like ’em.
Maybe it’s their uniforms. I’m not a fan of the shiny uniforms. Also, I don’t like their logo much. Haha.
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by Trevor Paxton on Feb 13, 2010 11:04 PM MST up reply actions
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