Amare Stoudemire Trade Rumor Open Thread
by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 9:09 AM MST
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PrintAs things got hot and heavy last year, we brought out the Open Thread for the final days before the trade deadline. At that point, there were rumors involving both Amare and Shaq. This time, we can focus all of our Suns trade rumor energy on one big man - Amare Stoudemire.
Here's how it works. Throughout the day we will post new information as it pops up and given the pace of things last night we fully expect that to continue throughout the day. New information will be posted at the "top" of the thread with a time stamp so you can quickly see the latest and work your way backward.
A cautionary note: Not all rumors are created equal. Information from the Suns beat writer (Coro) and local radio (Gambo) tend to be more credible. Information from certain national sources such as Woj at Yahoo! and Stein and Bucher at ESPN or Berger at CBS have a good track record. Beat writers from other cities such as Cleveland, Miami or Oakland are usually very good. From there it starts to get murkier.
[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/16/10 7:17 PM MST ]
A series of tweeted updates from Windhorst
Twitter / Brian Windhorst: Here is the latest on Cavs ...
Here is the latest on Cavs based on sources. Waiting on PHX to accept trade or not. PHX stalling, waiting for other offers to mature.
The Cavs can save Suns more $ than package Miami is currently offering. But PHX are allowing Heat time to put things together.
As such, Cavs have lined up other options with the leading candidate being Antawn Jamison. But there are others, too.
Reports of interest in Corey Maggette, much to my surprise, are true. But that is down the list.
Bottom line: Cavs deal gets Suns under luxury tax, saves $10mm+. Heat deal cannot. But MIA trying to find way to take J-Richardson, too.
[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/16/10 3:53 PM MST ]
Twitter / Adrian Wojnarowski: Miami tried to enlist Char ...
Miami tried to enlist Charlotte as 3rd-team to make Amar'e deal but failed, league sources said. Udonis Haslem would've gone to Charlotte.
[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/16/10 3:33 PM MST ]
ESPNs Chris Broussard talks about the Suns trade options and explains why he likes the Cavs deal for the Suns.
[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/16/10 1:15 PM MST ]
Gambo on Sports 620 KTAR is reporting the following:
- The Suns have determined that Amare will be traded
- The Suns are still deciding between the Cavs and Miami
- Suns are pushing to get BOTH of Miami's 1st round picks (theirs and Toronto's) and Beasley and maybe Haslem
- The Suns still don't like Beasley and could try and move him in the off-season
KTAR.com - Gambo: Which deal do the Suns want?
What Miami has that may entice Phoenix to deal is two first-round draft picks this year, their own pick and Toronto's pick, and you would have to figure they need to offer both to land Stoudemire. Plus, an expiring contract (Quentin Richardson, Udonis Haslem) that would give the Suns cap flexibility going forward. And Beasley, a player the Suns would move at some point before next season.
Personally, I can live with either deal. Obviously, if you get both of the Heat's 1st round picks, plus Beasley, plus Haslem that's the better option but it is not clear that Miami will give up both picks.
[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/16/10 8:34 AM MST ]
Overnight recap:
Last night we heard from a few sources (see below) the following:
- Deal from Cleveland on the table is Hickson, Illgauskas, 1st rd pick and Danny Green (?)
- Suns still looking at other options which includes Miami, who wants Amare BAD but Suns don't want Beasley so Miami is trying to find a 3rd team to take Miami assets and give Suns a young player they want
- Somehow the Warriors and Maggette are in the mix - possibly to send an expiring from either Cleveland or Miami to the Warriors in exchange for Maggette's longer term contract (~$30m/3yrs) and one would have to assume some other young player(s) as well. We've looked at this before for the Suns, but now consider that the Warriors could send out assets to save money and not take Amare back.
- There are reports that have the Suns making a decision today because of the distraction this has become and also to allow the Cavs time to pursue other deals (Jamison or Murphy)
- The 76ers don't seem to want to give up Iguodala for Amare, but the Suns still want Iggy
- There are other reports saying the Suns will not make a decision until Thursday as things are changing so fast so they want to let everything play out to get the best possible offer
- Amare chimed in and "debunked" discussion that he and Shaq couldn't play together and other writers followed with more detail
- The Suns reportedly offered Amare a two-year extension beyond the final year of his contract (total 3 yrs) with the extension coming somewhere below the $17m he would make next year. Amare's team countered with something less than a max deal. The numbers from either side aren't known at this point
My thoughts:
A lot of fans think they know better than the experts and say it would be a mistake to pass on Beasley. I've consistently said that I don't like him and clearly the Suns feel the same way. You can disagree if you want but that's how it stands and we won't know for a couple of more years who's right in that when we see how Beasley pans out. He might be talented, but he doesn't strike me as the type of team player you want to build around.
I don't know much about Hickson except the people that have watched him develop this season (he missed much of last year with a back injury) have been very impressed with his progress and potential. He's reported to be extremely athletic and a great locker room guy and a hard worker. Carl Landry with more upside.
I would like for the Suns to get more than just Hickson for Amare and obviously the Suns want more as well or this deal would probably be done already. If they only get Hickson, Cleveland's pick, Big Z's contract and Danny Green (6'6" SF/SG who was drafted 46th last year and is the cousin of Gerald Green), I will be disappointed but will not jump off a bridge.
I want to see what J.J. Hickson is all about before passing judgment. This front office was right about Jared Dudley and other young players recently so I think they've earned some lee-way.
As for the Warriors potential participation in a three-team deal, I stick by what I said before. I don't like Corey Maggette and his contract but neither is horrible if packaged with the right sweeteners in the form of young talent and picks. I am hesitant about Anthony Randolph, though. He's suffered a severe injury and will be out the rest of the season so we don't know how he will bounce back. He's reportedly gotten in trouble from the Warriors for skipping games to go to clubs while on "rehab". He's an incredible talent but also has some character and attitude issues that worry me.
We'll see what happens over the next few hours. It should be fun/frustrating/confusing/exciting/depressing.
Sources / Links
- Sources: Miami Heat making big push for Amare Stoudemire - ESPN
The Heat emerged from the All-Star break even more determined than they were before to find a third team to help them broker an Amare deal before Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline. - azcentral.com blogs - Coro's Suns dish - PaulCoro - Latest Amar'e trade talk
The latest with his trade possibility is that the Cleveland deal we have been talking about in recent weeks is still very much at the forefront. This is a known option: Stoudemire to Cleveland for forward J.J. Hickson, center Zydrunas Ilgauskas, swingman Danny Green and Cleveland's first-round pick (assumably No. 30). - Twitter / Amar'e Stoudemire: I play very well w/Shaq. I ...
I play very well w/Shaq. I averaged more pts last year WITH him & played better D. You guys can stop saying we don't play well together. - Twitter / Adrian Wojnarowski: Source also disputes notio ...
Source also disputes notion that Stoudemire has any issues with Shaq. So far, Cavs and Stoudemire's reps have had no contact, no dialogue. - Twitter / Adrian Wojnarowski: Source close to Stoudemire ...
Source close to Stoudemire says he's completely open to Cleveland, loves idea of playing with LBJ and has never indicated otherwise to Cavs.
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Good post, Seth...way to get things going this Tuesday morning...
Let the free for all of innuendo, trade suggestions, trademachine, realgm and other thoughts begin..!!!! I just want this to be over so the Suns can look ahead!
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
If we do trade stat why is it a debate on miami or cleveland if we trade amare for that cleveland deal it would be worst than the Gasol deal…Beasley plus two first rounders is not bad not bad at all plus he can give us closer to amares production than hickson..Ive watched enough Cvas games to know Hickson is decent but not to be the center for amare
marques m
The Cleveland deal allows us to get Big Z. A Suns inside source says that the Suns want to trade Big Z to Golden State for Corey Magette and Anthony Randolph
that's not going to happen.
one of the goals of this trade is a salary cut.
Trading Z means no expiring contract for PHX.
Not likely...
Knowing the Suns and their trade deadline history, I will be satisfied to not get totally bent over by another team…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Yeah I hear ya
The good from the Suns would be to include JRich in a deal for expirings, a young prospect, & picks. I’ve said it before, that’s the only way any trade can come up good for the Suns; JRich needs to be included.
If not, it’s not the end of the world as long as we get young talent + Picks.
Hickson vs. Beasley
I don’t know enough about Hickson to know.
All I’m saying is that, as a fan, I’m willing to take the chance on Beasley. I also think that Beasley here has a better chance of growing up in Phoenix than he does on most other NBA teams. So, I don’t know that if he fails somewhere else that will be a good indicator.
Back to Hickson — the decision tree looks something like this:
Beasley’s Potential Upside divided by his Known Problems compared to Hickson’s Potential Ability divided by his lack of “newsworthy” appearances. This missing factor, for me, is “Hickson’s Potential Ability.”
Part of my thinking is also that if the Suns were willing to take Clark based on his upside potential, why not do the same with Beasley?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Recently
He’s been playing very well for Cleveland. I see him in the highlights blocking shots, dunking on kids, etc.
I've seen some highlights, too
But I just don’t know that much about his game.
Someone told me that he’s averaging 4+ boards a game in less than 20 mins, which is only slightly off-pace with Amare’s 9 in 35+
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Yeah, although I hate to use it as a reference
Hickson’s “per 40 minutes” stats are 15 points and 9 rebounds.
Decent numbers but not enough to replace Amare...
Much as I hate to admit it, Beasley is a better young option at this point…Dang I wish we had a veteran precense like KG to keep him in line…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I think we all know
That we’re not going to replace Amare immediately. Hickson is barely 21 and has lots of room to grow. If we run some offense through him and he plays with Nash and plays starter’s minutes, I can see him averaging 16/9, which is perfectly fine for a starting power forward.
I do admit Beasley is a better option, but just saying, Hickson’s not a piece of garbage.
The formula for Hickson's Potential Ability...Huh???
You missed the exponential, “Benefitting from teams doubling on Lebron & Shaq…”
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Hickson's Potential
I’m thinking that Hickson’s ceiling is lower than Beasley’s — I guess I could be wrong.
As for the exponential, isn’t that wash given Steve Nash?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Beasley has higher potential, but Hickson’s a better locker room guy, which the Suns thrive on: Chemistry. You hit the nail on the head too with Nash’s ability to find Hickson being a wash with the doubles.
Locker Room
I wouldn’t know, but I’d be willing to bet Hickson is a better locker room guy at this point in time.
Phoenix has a good rep for character guys. Steve Nash is here. Grant Hill is here. Gentry is a class act (regardless of coaching record). I think it’s a good place for troubled guys to succeed.
On a more philosophical level, I’m not willing to label such a young person. What were you doing at 20? Would you want your boss to think of you like that now that you’re closing in on 40? He’s got challenges, but he can’t be a total loser yet.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
That may be the problem with the Suns
You know we have all these nice guys, good guy types you’d want your daughter to marry…Sometimes I think we need a real Hell-Raiser type…Somebody that will go beserk in the locker room, somebody that will keep people on their toes and knock heads together when the team gets commplacent…Just my thoughts
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Not necessarily
I think you can motivate without causing problems. It is, though, a special talent.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
+1 imagine if we had Kevin Garnett to make Amar'e cry on the bench like he did to big baby davis in Boston
we would DEFINITELY have a title now
Yeah especially when Marion was here...
Everytime he started that “No one loves me” crap, KG would walk across to his locker and shove his T-Rex grill into the toilet…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Robin breaks glass. Does that count?
by Suns Fan For Life on Feb 16, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
I'd have a hard time taking anyone serious that looks like Side Show Bob..
It would also be hard not to laugh at that goofy voice…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Maybe...Maybe we also have to factor in Nash's disgust with team management...
THis equation is giving me a headache..It was so much easier when the only factorization was Diaw’s croissants and expanding waistline…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Also missing
Gets no offense at all run through him and still has managed to get 20 points on occasion
Gambo
Last year at this time he guaranteed that Amare was going to be traded. Right before the Shaq trade (about a day), a guy called the radio station and suggested it and Gambo said there was no way in hell that was going to happen (it did hit everybody as a surprise, though). He’s said “no way” and “guaranteed” so many times I’m not sure if he knows what those words mean. I think he takes the good information he’s got, and he only reports on good information (I will agree he does not engage in rampant speculation), but overdoes it sometimes.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Yeah, I gotta disagree
with Gambo being a “good source.” He’s been dead wrong the last 5 times… hell, he even reported that the marion sign & trade had blown up a day before it got compelted over the summer…
Just a bunch of reports sitting around the "Sports Pyshic Network"
Favorite “modus operandi” is to pull stuff out the old rectal database…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
by Daryl Ray on Feb 16, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Sources
the thing is Gambo and everyone else is being feed information that serves someone’s purpose. These reporters aren’t that good that they are outsmarting the team officials they are talking to. The info that gets leaked is leaked for a reason.
Gambo and these other guys are conduits. It’s up to you to evaluate what’s being said and put it in context but you can’t blame the messenger for that.
Gambo’s info is almost always from the Phx side of things and gives insight into what info Phx wants out there. In that regard he’s credible unlike others in this business who simply repackage other people’s work and claim to have “sources”
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
So I definitely wont be listening to any of Gambo's speculation and rumors
Since you’re saying he’s only credible in that he repeats what the Suns want him to say, whether they are truth or lies.
lol
it is always interesting to know what the team is thinking
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
Probably the best possible course of action, but...
If the two sides can’t agree on money, we gotta move to next best COA. Letting him walk at end of the season isn’t an option. I’ve heard from a twitter report the Amare’s counter to the Suns was in the 17-18 million per year for 4 years, while the Suns intial was 3 years total (17 million for the first and about 13 million for two more years…..).
Anybody else heard this, can we confirm or deny this????
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Surely its better to take Beasley over Hickson
simply for the fact that we could get 2 2010 picks in the teens/early 20’s rather than the 30th pick.
It seems like we should take on Beasley just for the heck of it
And then if we don’t like it, just flip him to another team this off-season.
At this point, I'd take it...
The thought of just getting Hickson and Z’s expiring for Amare is pretty disheartening…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
+1 .
That would feel soul crushing.
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 16, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
Nash
Just heard Nash on the DP Show. Dude sounded despondent. Said he’d keep STAT if it was just a basketball move but this isn’t about basketball. It’s aboutn finances. And let’s face it, unless you are lucky enough to draft a “Duncan” type (or win the damn coin flip for Alcindor/Jabbar) you will not be able to win a championship unless you spend the dough. That’s the reality.
For all the talk about beasley's attitude/problems
Remember that when we drafted Amar’e he had been expelled from 5 different high schools and both his mother and his brother were in jail, but we took a chance and it paid off, i’m not saying it will happen with beasley but it could.
As for Beasley i do have concerns that he won’t pan out but he’s on a rookie contract so the risk is limited. He is more of a soft/finesse 4 but he did average something like 11 boards a game in college. I also think that in a few years Earl Clark and beasley could make a good frontcourt tandem with Clark bringing the D and Beasley bringing the O. I have even more concerns about trading for Hickson and the 30th pick which could amount to pretty much nothing, and lead us to being taken advantage of for years to come because teams know all we want to do is dump salary and not get much in return.
Teams already know we are easy trading partners...
Pat Riley still remebers how he conned us into taking Shaq and hastening our slide tdown the league toilet-bowl…That’s why he’s eager to do buisness again…
Personally, If we can get the Beasley deal, I would feel theat Pat got over on us…too bad anyway..
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Sorry bad grammar...or dsylexia...one of the two...
Personally, If we can get the Beasley deal, I wouldn’t feel that Pat got over on us too bad
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
and how's that deal
worked for Miami btw…?
They had Marion and Banks and went nowhere and flipped them for an extra year of JO…
Two teams trading bad pieces – neither team was helped
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 10:33 AM MST up reply actions
Seth, I still think that we could have gotten more than Shaq..
If we could hav eplayed our cards right, we could have parlayed Marion into Gasol or maybe even KG…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I wonder what Steve Kerr is like in a negotiation....
Kerr – I want X, Y, and Z.
Rival GM – No. You’ll get just Z.
Kerr – OK we’ll do it your way.
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 16, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
I really am more inclined
To believe that Sarver’s the one who’s like “OH GOD WE’RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING BETTER, TELL THEM WE’LL DO WHATEVER THEY SAY!!!”
Then he says
“IT DOESN’T MATTER, AS LONG AS WE HAVE NASH, WE’LL SELL TICKETS!!!” as the “money money…. money!” song plays in the background…
Well I am tired of getting served...
Yeah we need an enforcer to go with them into Negotiations…I’m sure we could find a thug somewhere just for the purpose…. Artest would probably be great in that capacity…
Kerr – I want X, Y, and Z.
Rival GM – No. You’ll get just Z.
Artest/Nocioni – WTF MF?!?! you heard him..! give up X,Y & Z now…! Also give up them dollarz in your wallet and your rolex too…Is that your Benz outside???
Rival GM – Yessir….
Kerr – Nice doing business with you
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
One more thing ....
… Or engineer a trade between the NBA, Memphis and LA for a Pau Gasol type for Kwami Brown. Forgot that too. Or … maybe have the ref’s and league not rig a playoff system that takes your main guy out on a flimsy “leaving the bench” technicality. The list goes on.
my problem with Miami is that Beasley just seems like bad news
maybe the FO knows something about him we dont?
Lol if we get him his nickname has to be
the bad news beas
All I can say about Beasley
is that I’ve meet him and talked to him and didn’t like him compared to all the other NBA players. I had the same feeling with Jennings and Anthony Randolph for that matter.
You all can feel free to ignore my psychic powers but you will find that the best teams don’t have head case players. The Warriors or highly talented “Jail Blazers”…those teams prove that having a ton of young talent isn’t enough to win.
As for taking a chance on Beasley with the idea that we could later trade him…that’s a huge waste of time. You want a young player that you can develop and grow with as part of your team. If you have to turn around and trade him, first off his value is going to drop but also you’ve set back growing the team.
I appreciate his physical skills but would rather continue to see the team work on getting great role players and creating the flexibility to get a super star in 2011 that would be attracted to play with that group.
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
Not talking about a trade
Just don’t pick up his option
Anthony Randolph appears like he might be turning things around. At least enough so to stay out of trouble long enough to contribute to the team.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
i can understand the logic
but don’t you think that the prospect of getting two first rounders in the teens/early 20’s outweighs any problems beasley could cause in the locker room. Even if all we end up doing is declining beasley’s 4th year option and using him as an expiring to try and get a star in 2011 FA. You never know, a trade into our strong locker room chemistry could be the making of him, put his locker between Steve and Grant and hope it clicks for him, if it doesn’t its minimal risk with maximum upside, those comparisons with Kevin Durant (while theres no way i think he’ll be that good) can’t have just come out of nowhere.
As for trading Stat to cleveland, i just don’t think i can stomach effectively trading Shaq and Amar’e to cleveland and all we get out of it is the 29th pick of the 2008 draft and the 30th pick of the 2010 draft.
That's the rub isn't it...
and why I wouldn’t be upset w/ a Miami deal either
I would think though that you would only be talking about 1 of those two picks btw – not both of them.
So you are talking about about a late teens vs late 20’s pick.
Factor in the cash savings between Beasley’s $4+m and Hickson’s $1.5m (that’s Lou Amundson right there) and you are looking at having more money available this off season w/ the Hickson deal vs Beasley.
It’s going to take some patience but I would be willing to see it all play out first which means waiting to see what team the Suns put on the court in Oct 2010.
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
How sure are we the Suns will keep Lou
i could see Clark moving ahead of him on the depth chart before next season starts. I think all the fans love him and want him to stay, but if he isn’t going to be getting any minutes do the suns pay 1-2million to keep him or give his minutes to earl and fill his space on the roster with a 2nd round pick who’s cheaper?
I think that's a good plan
But we’d waste another year of Nash’s prime. I think Beasley can step in and help immediately so we remain competitive, AND he provides a young piece to build around.
Of course, it’s been beaten to death that Suns aren’t taking back Beasley, so….hopefully a 3 team trade arises.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Chad Ford and I are sharing brainwaves
Aron (Jacksonville, FL)
Please enlighten me as to why the Suns would want to trade Amare for J.J. Hickson and cap relief. Hickson’s production is nothing special, and Lebron makes him look better than he really is (which is true of everybody on the Cavs). Are the Suns this desperate? Surely not…
Chad Ford (1:07 PM)
I’ve been wondering the same thing. Especially since we know Miami is in the mix. The best the Cavs can offer right now is Hickson plus their first round pick (which should be about No. 29 or No. 30). The Heat can offer the same cap relief as the Cavs plus they have Michael Beasley and they have two mid first round picks. How is that not a better deal for Phoenix? Even if they don’t want Beasley, two first round picks from Miami is a better deal than Hickson. That’s why I’m skeptical Cleveland makes this happen unless Steve Kerr is more interested in just helping out a friend or he’s still bitter about the whole Shaq deal two February’s ago.
Kyle (Phoenix)
Is there a chance the Suns retain Amare Stoudemire through this trade deadline?
Chad Ford (1:09 PM)
Highly doubt it. They seem pretty set on trading him. Stoudemire’s contract demands have been pretty tough. If they are willing to trade him for Z and Hickson, then they are basically willing to give him away.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
apologies for the poor formatting
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
What do they mean his contract demands have been tough...
I’d like a further explanation…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Patience
these details don’t come out at this point in the process
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
Seth I don't know how you've done it but I've kind of soured on Beasley because of what you said haha.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I still want him more than Hickson though
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Only if we
get both of Miami’s 1st round picks and Haslem
With Haslem and Beasley we can close out the season. We can spend a few months seeing what Beasley is all about in person with the understanding we might end up dumping him this summer
We get two picks that perhaps can be packaged some how to move up in the draft
I can’t explain other than to say, I’ve looked into the kid’s eyes and he’s just trouble to me. And yes, he’s young but guys like that take a long time to turn around. Look at Zach Randolph. There are PLENTY of young players that are great people. You can tell.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know if they'd give us even one first rounder if they include Beasley
I feel like Riley would offer Beasley or picks, because the dude knows how negotiating is done.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
???
you looked into his eyes and could tell he is trouble? what are you, a Jedi?
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 16, 2010 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
Yes...move along now
Look. I’ve met a lot of people and a lot of players and I trust my instincts. You don’t have to.
Feel free to ignore my guts (although obviously the Suns agree and they’ve got way more info than I do)
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 1:40 PM MST up reply actions
suns fan from miami
beasley is not the answer for us. ive seen him play enough where i think he just doesnt have the smarts to play right when it counts most. we really shouldnt be counting on a major blockbuster deal thats gonna net us a big time player. great nickname dave
I'll adapt to whatever trade is made.
I’m not great at looking back on the past and longing. Things are what they are, so let’s make the best of them. If we get Hickson, I’m perfectly willing to see what the guy can do and see how he fits in with the team.
Suns fans have been really spoiled and you can tell. Forty years of basically playoffs-or-bust. While that’s cool and all to be competitive every year, the teams that have made over the hump all drafted the player that brought them there. Duncan, Bryant, Wade, Pierce, Jordan. A few of the teams lucked into obtaining the right complimentary piece (Celtics with Garnett, Lakers with Shaq (and now Gasol), Heat with Shaq, etc.), but when that happens, the team pays the price. The Lakers and Heat spend 3-4 years middling around in barely making the playoffs or missing them altogether after they win their last championship. The Celtics are already starting down that path.
Every team has to re-load. That’s where we’re at.
or...
you slowly start building your group of young role players and then create the cap space to land a big name free agent to play with that group
I can see the Suns doing that in 2011 (or 2010 if JRich can be moved)
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
That works too
Basically, you need to be slow and methodical. The Suns have been piece-mealing success for the past 2 or 3 years after the SSOL hit its peak.
I don't know if that big name free agent exists
For the Suns this summer. Joe Johnson would be a perfect fit if the Suns move JRich, but I can’t see that happening.
Are we sun big name free-agents are going to want to come here?
The Suns under Sarver are starting to get a rep of trading away players for financial reasons…If a player want to win, I’m not sure that’s the right outlook for us to have…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
In order to sign a big contract player
you need cap space… most players will understand that. Honestly, I think that the Suns could have a nose for that. Kerr has always said that the team is willing to spend the money; perhaps they are waiting for the right occasion.
I'd like to move JRich now if possible.
Is there a legitimate trade out there where we can unload JRICH along with STAT???
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Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
No - seems like the Suns tried
but no one wants to take his contract right now
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Bill Simmons trade value thing today said he's one of the worst contracts in the league
but next trade deadline with a new CBA looming and J-rich expiring? I could see him being one of the most sought after contracts.
Isn't that an ass-backwards way of building a team?
Has that ever worked in the history of the league? Meaning you have a team of guys who are the 4th to 8th best guy on any given team and you build them up and then toss a star in. (Not trying to be smug…seriously wondering)
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 16, 2010 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
Houston?
Houston chronicle about to report that chicago and phoenix also discussing mac deals. #knicks not the only deal, but the report is accurate.
about 2 hours ago from UberTwitterTommyDeeTKB
http://twitter.com/TommyDeeTKB/status/9191392819
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
feels like smoke screen
to me
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Wait...
So we are discussing a Tmac trade? Yay this might be good if we get Landry and a draft pick for Amare and barbosa/jrich
That might not net us enough in return...
I do like it, but who will play SG?
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
What do we do with TMac might be a better question..
Just thought of that…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Working on the trade machine is one thing...
Do we flip TMAc or do we keep him the rest of the year? Would we want to have him “disappear” or would we try to play him? A lot of uncertainity surrounds the player formerly known as Tracy McGrady…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Good for us but NYK is offering them a lot more.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Has anybody heard anything about Kevin Martin?
He’s a lot older than I thought(27…only a few months younger than Amare), but I think he’d be a solid piece for us. He’s wasting away in Sac now that Evans is dominating the ball.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Amar'e for martin/jason thompson
that’d be a good trade. Unfortunately i think its too late in the day for any new scenarios to appear, i think all the suns do now is decide between whats already on the table.
I definitely would do this one in a second. I like it the most of all the trades.
But yeah, it’s too late in the game for it to creep up.
I have an idea—
Trade Amar’e to the Heat, get Beasley, 2 first rounders, and Q-Rich & Haslem expirings. Then, flip Haslem to the Thunder (they need help up front) for Nick Collison and a first rounder.
Gives us cap space and 2 mid first/lottery picks this year, as well as young talent.
by ryanstrtddafire99 on Feb 16, 2010 12:12 PM MST reply actions
Interesting idea since Chad Ford said that Thunder would give up a first if somebody gave them an expiring for Collison
But A)We’d only be able to get one pick out of MIA methinks, B)I don’t think we’d want Collison’s contract even if it nets us another first. Still…I like Collison a lot, and another pick would be good.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
It's crazy to think
that the Thunder’s pick is considered mid-teens this year. They are really playing well.
lol our 2010 pick might actually be lower than theirs
Who knew!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
We don't have a 2010 1st round pick.
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by Mike Lisboa on Feb 16, 2010 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, they have it
That’s what I meant. We made that deal thinking that our pick would just be in the late twenties, and look at us now.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
From the surface, looks like the Blazers got over...
They got what they needed by giving up a back up point guard and a player that is injured and has barely played this year…Question is, why were the Clippers so willing to give up their best defender for this package?
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Camby is 35
Decent trade for both teams. Blazers get a big man to start in front of Juwan Howard since Przybilla and Oden are out for the season.. and the Clippers get a couple of younger pieces.
$3m is why they did it
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
That seems like a more plausible answer...
Nothing else made much sense…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
My 2 cents: Re-sign, Re-sign... resigned.
I still say the Suns should re-sign Amare, reasonable or not, and make a play for Chris Paul in 2011. Like Seth said, none of these trades is particularly thrilling, but neither are will they have me burning my purple and orange. This math makes me sad though:
Shaq + Amare = Danny Green, JJ Hickson, a late 1st round pick and financial relief (in the form of waived contracts for Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic and Zydrunas Ilgauskas).
Hoo boy. Talk about paying the piper.
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Kinda depressing when you think about it..
I just want this to be over already so we can get on with our Suns basketball lives
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Sheridan has an interesting deal
Harden>anything else offered, but I’d like it more if Richardson was the guy included instead of Barbosa.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
What if...
Could we say trade with Miami or Cleveland and then ask Amar’e to opt out and then sign him next season? Not sure how all that would work if thats possible but that would be getting something for nothing. Thoughts?
It's always good to fantasize...but no...
I ain’t psychic, but that will not happen….
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I just don't think so,,,
If we can’t sign him to an extension now, how can we sign him to a near max deal during the off-season?
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
hypothetically yes, there’s no rule preventing us from doing that. realistically no, like Sun God said.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Feb 16, 2010 1:54 PM MST up reply actions
Look for a third team to be involved
I think Kerr and Ferry worked together to get Miami more aggressive in their bidding. Amare going to his homestate is the likely destination. Add in a third team like Philly and the Suns could get Iggy and Beasley which is the best possible return.
Miami gets Amare and a perfect compliment in Dalembert
Philly gets huge tax relief with Jermaine O’Neal and the fastest backcourt with Barbosa to pair with Iverson
Suns get Beasley, Iggy, and a throw in (James Jones or Richardson)
Everyone wins
by Permapaulur on Feb 16, 2010 1:10 PM MST reply actions
At face value, It would seem like a decent deal...
Philly isn’t really cooperating very much with us…I am not sure if this could get done.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Miami could sweeten the deal for Philly
I read in this thread they have multiple 1st rd picks… how badly do they want STAT?
by Permapaulur on Feb 16, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
Philly
is clueless.They are going nowhere, they sign Iverson to bring people into the building. So they go from 6 thousand a night to 6500 a night. They sign Brand to a god awful deal, they talk about making a push for the playoffs so they can get the 8th seed in the East to get whacked by Cleveland.
Watch they will sit and not make a deal, and will be a 8th seed in the East for the next 20 years
Seems like Philly loses big time
unless they get some draft picks
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 16, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
Philly wants cap space
Iggy aint going without Dalembert. Barbosa aint a bad throw-in. The Suns could defer Miami’s pick to Philly and still come out great. Miami gets their guy. Sixers could be 10 million + below the cap—not a bad place to be for a possible lottery team.
by Permapaulur on Feb 16, 2010 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
Why Not Sign Amare??
If the speculation around the Amare contract extension offers are accurate… I am wondering how many of us would have signed Amare for (3 additional years/ 17-18 a year)?
I thought the original offer from phoenix (2 year/12-13 million a year) was a bit of an insult, but I am glad Happy Walters (STAT’s agent) didn’t stop negotiations right away and came back with a more reasonable offer. Personally, before the extension talks started between the Suns and Amare, I felt that if they could sign Amare to a 3 year/54 million dollar extension they would have to do it. In my opinion STAT is a better player (and younger) than Pau (3year/57million) and I know we are not the Lakers but a 3year/54 mil still seems like a fair deal. Not only that but we would be getting Amare during his prime years as an NBA player (27-31).
If they sign Amare: This team can make a real push for the playoffs (3-6 seed) with the possibility of winning a series possibly two (only say that because if a #3/6 seed I think we match up pretty well against Denver).
Next Year: The suns would have the same core group of guys together and assuming Grant and Frye accept their player option the Suns will have about 5 million to resign Lou/other role players… plus they will have JRich’s 14.4 mil expiring to deal for young talent. I think during all of these trade talks I am missing something… we should be trying to trade away bad contracts and pick up good contracts/undervalued players. Amare’s contract isn’t bad. JRich’s contract is really bad (#23 on Bill Simmons worst NBA Contract List) and that should be the primary goal of the FO next year.
Finally, I do not understand the Cleveland trade (if they aren’t willing to take JRich’s contract as well) at all and there is no reason for making a trade that will most certainly put us out of the playoffs especially when we do not own our first round draft pick. Sign Amare… let the Amare/Nash have their shot and worst case scenario we have a couple heart breaking playoff series’ and we are in better position to rebuild in a few years.
A lot of variables are in play..
1. He probably is worth 16-17 mil per but the Suns do not have the money that the Lakers do…
2. Sarver is under a lot of financial constraints due to his banking losses
3. Suns management does not want to encumber the team with the possiblity of a huge reduction in the salary scale and cap from the proposed new CBA.
4. It’s the Suns at the trading deadline…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I would love to sign Amare.
But the thing is, if we resign him we really have no major moves we can make for at least a year and no draft picks. Look at Dallas. They are making themselves better for now, and they have some pieces for a while. We ould have to ride out what we have for at least a year or two and be unable to really improve. A trade shakes things up, especially if we can get some new essential pieces and\or young talent and\or draft picks.
by Suns Fan For Life on Feb 16, 2010 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
So what?
What moves would we realistically be able to make that would make us better than we would be WITH Amare? We already know that the superstars , i.e., LeBron and Wade would never come here, so… maybe Bosh? Personally, I’d rather have Amare than Bosh simply because he’s got this incredible chemistry with Nash already.
I also don’t think the draft picks that might be coming are way in a trade would gather us any real difference makers. The answer = keep Amare.
I'm game
sixers need clevelands draft pick or a filler
miami would never do the first one, and if philly wanted to give away iguodala for any old expiring contract, they could have already. I’d give them wally and draft picks and our young roster filler and take iggy and dalembert’s contracts too but like the suns philly doesn’t want you to piss down their back and tell them its raining.
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Somehow, I don't think the Sixers will go for this
Anything is possible, though…Me, I’m calling Halle Berry for a date…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
This Trade is best!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yguk3r4 THE BIGGEST BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You guys are nuts
No way in the world would Cleveland let Varejao leave. No way IN HELL.
My take: keep Amar’e. Watch him NOT opt put, then offer him $13 mil for two more years STRAIGHT AWAY, and see him accept it.
Consider this: if Amar’e doesn’t opt out (and he won’t), $26 million over two years is $43 over 3 years. Anyone think he’ll get a better deal than that in free agency? He’d need to get 15 mil a year for three years to beat it!
Amar’e alone is infinitely better than anything we’ve been offered EXCEPT Iguodala and Dalambert. Every other trade is just awful.
I really wish there would moderate the use of the Trade Machine..
People go nuts with that thing…Just because you can doesn’t mean you should!!!!!
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Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I’m hearing Breaking news out of Phoenix about two offers.
Miami offers Beasley, Q, Haslim, two 1st round picks.
The Suns wouldn’t mind hanging onto Beasley for the rest of the season. If they don’t like him than they will try to trade him in the off-season.
Cleveland offers JJ, Ilguaskas, Green, and their 1st round pick. It is believed that the Suns would trade Ilguaskas to the Warriors for Maggette and possibley Anothony Randolf.
What do you guys think?
Well...
If we can trade Big Z to GSW for Maggette and Randolph then I will take Clevelands. Maggette is like a older Iguodala and Randolph has uber potential
Only if the GS trade was a guarantee. Needs to get done quick though.
by Suns Fan For Life on Feb 16, 2010 4:44 PM MST up reply actions
just make it a 3 team deal, maybe thats where the cavs / maggette talk was coming form
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Gotta take that Miami offer b/c of the two 1st rounders, no?
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 16, 2010 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
Who knows...
A lot of variables are in play right now…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
i actually
like both trade senario’s, but the cleveland one is contingant on the Golden State Trade… Though the Miami trade would help us more in the long run I think, with the draft picks & expring contracts
Miami would be really stupid to offer Beasley and two first rounders
And we know that Riley is a shark….so something doesn’t jive.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I with you on that...
He kinda smells blood dealing with Stevie Boy wonder…I don’t think we’ll get over on him…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
it is possible
they want Amare that bad….to convince Wade to stay
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
Riley didn't get this far being a moron...
He always has a back-up plan….
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
If they offer Q instead of Haslem, do you still do the deal?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
But Haslem actually makes us very competitive this season
His defense + rebounding will be nice to have in the starting lineup. It’ll be harder to score points without Amare, but I think we might actually have a better chance at winning games.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Yeah, but,
Quentin Richardson is better than Leandro Barbosa, man. I know this because a Heat fan told me.
Oh in that case
lol
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Well he's gone after this season so we would either keep him or just buy him out methinks
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Right.
Either way the cap space is probably the best we get there.
Although the possibility of watching Q be traded for the 352nd time in the past nine months is intriguing.
hahaha
Not going to lie, I wouldn’t mind watching Q throw up the little horns after he knocks down a few threes. It would bring back good memories.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Put him in for one game?
For old time’s sake. One more roll in the hay with the ex before its official?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
I'm sure he's gotten used to it by now...
You would think he would keep his bags packed and rent on a short-term lease…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I would go for the Warriors
As I see it we get a two PF in Randolph and HIckson that has potential, an overwhelming scorer/slasher that goes in the FT line at a very high rate (thus replacing the offense we lost on Amare, Danny Green whom drftexpress says that he’s a good defender and has basketball IQ and a late 1st round pick.
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
Where did you hear this?
Sieems just like a rehash of stuff..
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I check out the math...
I am not sure if all this works out…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
The only things I question is trading Ilgauskas to the Warriors for Corey and Randolf. I’m not just too sure about that. Perhaps we could do better?
The other thing is Beasley. According to my friend who know a friend with inside sources to the team. The Suns may not mind taking on Beasley if its just for the rest of the season. If things don’t work out they plan to trade him.
A friend of a friend with inside stories...?
Too unreliable..Stuff gets lost in translation….
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
This is getting outlandish...
What are we going to do with Maggete, Beasley & Randolph? We barely get Clark out on the floor as it is…Doesn’t make any sense…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I totally understand what you are saying..
It just doesn’t make any sense to get an expiring contract (get under the lux tax) and then ship it off to GSW…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Clark
Clark isn’t ready yet he can’t shoot, he turns the ball over alot and he doesn’t have enough weight or muscle to be a PF
Clark is projected as a small forward
that why we see him a lot when Lou is at 4 and Channing is 5.
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
If we can get
both 1st’s from Miami + Beasley? That would totally rock! By far the best deal I’ve heard of so far.
This is exactly what's been
reported on the radio. Are you sure your friend just isn’t listening to the same thing everyone else is?
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
lol
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
As a Cavs fan you guys would be hosing the Heat big time. I don’t understand why the Heat would do that trade? Amare and Wade by themselves are nowhere close to contending.
All of this Miami stuff
coming from the Phoenix side very well could be an attempt to leverage a better deal from the Cavs
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
I was just getting ready to say that
I think ol Stevie Boy Wonder is trying to engage in some preemptive psychological warfare…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I honestly
Don’t see what else the Cavs could offer. Jamario Moon is about the only other piece I like on that team.
Moon sucks
no thanks
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
I like Moon but Anthony Parker is who I would go after
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Both Moon and Parker sucks
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
Agreed. But....
I’ll take this guy – http://lebrownstown.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/moondog_bio254.jpg
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 16, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
Delonte West
Delonte is a good shooter and has defensive intensity I would like him better than Moon
If the Suns aren't willing to take on Beasley because of issues
They sure as hell ain’t taking on West.
Delonte West??? This has got totally out of line
I expect anything to come out of a post, now…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
You really want someone like West
I see him roaming the Phoenix area or going into practice packing 3 to 5 guns with the shot gun in his back with still hiding some guns in a guitar case a la Antonio Banderas.
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
That's a good question...
I look down there roster and there ain’t much I want…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Yeah, that's true
Not sure if they would go for that, though…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Do they have a first born to add to the deal?
Otherwise how much better can it get?
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 16, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
Do LeBron have kids?
He does, I think.
I would take the right’s to LeBron’s son
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
Easy, Michael Jordan's son isn't all that..
You never know, though…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Both his sons kind of suck
Although Marcus @ UCF is average.
http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/
by Scott Howard on Feb 16, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
so Wade will have incentive to stay
if Cavs get Amare and LeBron together, Wade might be enticed to jump ship and head out West or to Chicago or somehting
what would be the point of the cleveland deal if they dont take j-rich we would still have no cap just under the luxury line
Suns would be
about $5m to $7m under the cap which could be used in a lot of ways this summer
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 16, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
Is it true?
I was watching something and they said Amare might be held out of tonight’s game?
Not that we know of...
Of course with all the prognasticators we have on the board, anything (I do mean anything!) is possible…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
HA HA..Very funny!
Scare me a second…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
LINK?!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Sorry
Had to satirize a lot of these folks that are passing off (a) sources that are not their own and (b) old sources, as being their own form of breaking news.
Way to slow folks down..
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
some people
like jburning are @$$ holes (jk)… I just had a huge adrenaline rush… then I ready the body of this post… lol
That's great
I haven’t heard Mark Bryant’s name in forever. You have to do that trade.
Well, my friend has been right about everything this past month and a half. My friend says all this before there are links to it.
Either way, it only seems obvious. You have to ask your self, “Is this really the best Miami and Cleveland can offer?” It think so.
Miami is already said to be pushing hard for Amare. They are afraid Wade will leave them for nothing.
Now were the speculation comes into play is about the Illgauskas trade. Do we really trade him to the Warriors?
Now my friend said a few days ago(right around the trade rumor with Cleveland Happened) that the Suns would like to keep Illguakas instead of waiving him, so he could resign with Cleveland. He said they wanted to trade him to another team for a young player and possibly a pick.
This was contradictory to the sources saying that the Suns would likely waive Illguaskas, so he could go back to Cleveland.
well if that's true
and Randolph is the player, then the Suns coming away with Randolph and Hickson would have to be considered a successful trade. I think it’s actually better than Beasley and two 1st rounders in the late-teens early-20s of the draft.
My friend said that the if they do trade with the Warrior it would be for Corey and another player. He believes that player to be Randolf.
Sign...Till we get a source, it's all conjecture
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
He said its becoming a huge possibility with the Heat deal for two picks. However, he believes that Miami will only give one.
Or an iteration of alchemy...
This is weird…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
i hope we get the miami deal...
It would be great to get BOTH 1st rounders this year, beasley and haslem. And the best part of all is we can deal beasley now or in the summer…do the miami deal
by LOS SUNS!! on Feb 16, 2010 2:28 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Do we even know if this has actually been offered?
Gambo’s the only person I’ve heard it from
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
If there are two picks
and not just one, I think you have to go with the Miami deal. Even if the Suns aren’t sold on Beasley, two mid-first rounders over one pick in the 30 range is a step up in what should be a fairly deep draft, and the luxury tax relief is about the same.
FOR MORE DOLLA DOLLA BILLZ!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Even if there's one first rounder I think you have to do it
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Not to mention,
the thought of LeBron winning a title with Amare and Shaq when Nash couldn’t even get out of the first round makes me gavomit.
Beasley
could easily be traded for a lottery pick this summer right? There would have to be a team in the top 10 that wound be willing to surrender a pick for him, right?
I hope he has that much trade value
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
i would think so
as far as i can tell this year’s draft is pretty weak outside of john wall and a few others.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Feb 16, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
I depends partly on how he conducts himself and if he shows anythoing with Phoenix
I would say yes….
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
So guys
How upset are we going to be when ESPN reports that Miami never offered Beasley? I’m steeling myself for the possibility already.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Gambo says Beasley, expiring(Haslem or Q), and maybe two first rounders
Sounds too good to be true IMO
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Some posters have taken this and ran with it...
Per Gambo : “What Miami has that may entice Phoenix to deal is two first-round draft picks this year, their own pick and Toronto’s pick, and you would have to figure they need to offer both to land Stoudemire. Plus, an expiring contract (Quentin Richardson, Udonis Haslem) that would give the Suns cap flexibility going forward. And Beasley, a player the Suns would move at some point before next season.”
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
A lot of posters concocting trades based off what we already heard..
Some of it is a stretch and some of it is pure BS…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Not nearly as upset
as when ESPN announces that the Phoenix Suns have traded Amare Stoudemire to the Cleveland Cavaliers for J.J. Hickson, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, and no pick.
Oh, and we included our 2011 first-round pick just to make the deal even.
Ooo, good point.
In my wallowing, I’d forgotten.
I wonder if Sarver has a piece of paper with “2011 pick” written on it in a vault somewhere. Sometimes he just goes in to look at it longingly, thinking of the $2 million it could be if that meanie David Stern would just let him trade it away.
It's getting hard to seperate faction from fiction...
We need a BSometer for the forum…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Beavis 25 is giving him a run for his money...
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Hopefully
As a fan of fair i hope you guys get something for Amare it would blow to lose him for nothing.
No matter who he goes to i hope you at least get something that doesn’t make it a complete loss.
I not sure whether to thank you for your concern or tell you to get off our board...
You know as well as any of us that this probably will not end well…for us…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Nah, he's fine.
Having fans of opposing teams around for perspective is always a plus, as long as they’re respectful.
Amare to the Cavs for Big Z, Hickson, Danny Green, and pick. Then swing Z to the Warriors for Maggette and Randolph. Randolph’s upside is too good to pass up, even if it means taking Maggette’s contract with it.
by ryanstrtddafire99 on Feb 16, 2010 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
Danny Green
He’s actually going to be good i think. He doesn’t get a lot of playing time this year because we have a lot of guards but, when he gets in he plays good.
If that deal was possible than I would do it but I don't think they'd trade Randolph
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
If it means getting rid of Maggette, they would give away Randolph as well.
by ryanstrtddafire99 on Feb 16, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
Yea the Randolf part is just speculation. It was Corey and likely another player. Randolf just seems to be the obvious pick.
What is your source of this information? Did they mention Randolph?
by ryanstrtddafire99 on Feb 16, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
No. Its Corey and likely another player. Randolf is what I believe to be Kerr’s pick. I bet we will get more info on this in a few hours.
Just remember what Seth said. “It should be fun/frustrating/confusing/exciting/depressing.”
+1
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
By the way, Philly is still a wild card in all this. It was rumored that the Suns changed their offer to give them Barbosa instead of J-Rich, but Philly still is uncertain about Amar’e and what he plans to do.
If Philly changes their mind than I believe Phoenix takes that deal. Because of this possibility Kerr could wait right down to the deadline.
best cavs trade
For you guys if it has to be the Cavs would be Z, Hickson, 1st rounder, and either Jawad Williams or Danny Green.
As a Cavs fan i would hate to lose Williams he’s a very good shooter and can get his own shot.
maybe the Cavs talking to Golden state about corey magette rumors are spawned out of the need for a 3 team deal to pry Stoudemire away from the suns. somthing like this perhaps?
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Yeah
I would literally vomit if the Cavs got Maggette if they could have had Jamison.
+1
I think Jamison would be a perfect fit for the Cavs right now
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 16, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
as far as I know, the cavs pretty much see an opportunity to put amar’e on the other end of a pick and roll with lebron, and now danny ferry has got his pick and his shovel and hes digging deep to make it happen.
I think the heat won’t offer two draft picks and beasley, its a bad deal and pat riley could keep all that and still lure bosh or lebron next year. The miami deal is a huge risk banking on the idea of bringing in amar’e now, keeping wade, and luring lebron too. While Heat fans might be drooling, its a huge risk and I think pat riley would rather keep beasley and add a couple good guys in the draft and then try and bring bosh, amare or lebron in free agency, which would make a nice team for wade to resign with.
The cavs don’t have that luxury, this is their only chance to bring in somebody probably until 2011, they have got to make a move that will make them feel better about keeping LeBron.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Here's one for ya ...
Suns get:
Andre Igoudala
Anthony Randolph
Udanis Haslem (7.1m expiring)
Jason Kapono (6.2m expiring)
Heat get:
Amare Stoudemire
Samuel Dalembert
Cory Maggette
Raja Bell (5.1m expiring)
Sixers get:
Jermaine O’Neal (23m expiring)
Warrioros get:
Jason Richardson
Michael Beasley
works on the trade machine – not likely to happen though
"The mustard is off the hot dog!"
??
Do you guys think the Suns want to clear this up before Thursday? I see you guys play back to back today and tomorrow but, wouldn’t they want to trade before then to avoid possibility of injuries with Amare or anyone else involved?
If I were them, I'd hold Amare out of today's and tomorrow's games
Just in case. yes, it would drive the trade speculation market crazy, but still. Last thing you want is a freak injury right now.
no
but why would they give up the chance to lose those games
I think it’s way past the speculation part. I’m sure everyone expects him to get traded at this point it’s just a matter of when and to who.
ok
yea i thhink he is going to get traded but if the suns lose the next 2 games they would slip back to the 8 seed then possibly lose it later on. Why not just win the two games and have a jj hickson or beasley and maybe surprise the lakers in the playoffs
and
i also understand u are coming from the point of view of a cavs fan as am i, but lets see if we were in 7th place and lebron was on the trading block we would definetly play him
JJ VS Beasley
JJ is a very good player, maybe Beasley has more raw talent but JJ has a way better attitude. Delonte west has a terrible attitude and has more talent than Daniel Gibson but Gibson still gets more playing time and is a better player for it if the suns trade with the cavs they would be geating a potential double double every game in JJ, and relieving cap
Good Luck Suns
No matter where he goes or if he goes Good Luck!
And something we can all probably agree on Lakers Suck!!!!
by CAVS R BOSS on Feb 16, 2010 4:04 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
F the Lakers. Cleveland Rocks.
PSN ID- presbot
by presbot on Feb 16, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more
I have to admit of the teams in the west I’ll take the suns over the Lakers, nuggets, spurs, Jazz (fuck carlos boozer) I’d hate to see you guys get totally reemed on the amar’e trade, but I can’t help but want him in a cavs uniform, bad.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I see your Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson.
And Raise you
One Tina Fey:
http://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/clips/cleveland/117352/
and Ian Hunter from Mott the Hoople.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAhJmbAgCgE
PSN ID- presbot
lol
You think Hickson is better? It’s funny that these Cavs fans come over here and say that their offer is better than Miami’s.
not really
im not saying jj has more raw talent than beasley but beasley’s attitude is terrible and can crush the team plus the suns would relieve alot of cap
get out of here with that ish man
no need to call people names
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Trades
I think that amare will end up in miami and cleveland ill get antwan jamison
I think that is the better way to go for both teams. Amare can work with Shaq, but he’d have to sacrifice by being a #2 option and I don’t know if we will be happy about that. Jamison is a better fit.
he'll have to sacrifice
and be the #2 option in Miami too. But you’re right that he’d have to fight for shots with Shaq, Mo Williams, etc.
Heat willing to take JRich along with Amar'e?
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 16, 2010 4:26 PM MST reply actions
So if i'm reading that right
It would be:
Amare + JRich for
Beasley + 2 x first round picks + O’Neal’s 20m expiring
That looks pretty good to me.
Doesn't mention any picks in that article
That would be too rich for Miami’s liking. If they take JRich too I doubt we get even a single pick.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Well then nuts to that deal.
The 2 1st round picks from Miami are the real reason for this trade. otherwise it’s just JJ vs Beasley, and we all know the suns hate beasley.
Posted this in the "which do you prefer" post but seems like the place where more active discussion is going on
The Miami Heat have failed to recruit the Charlotte Bobcats as a third team in trade talks for Amar’e Stoudemire(notes), league sources said. The discussions centered on Charlotte taking on
Udonis Haslem(notes) in a deal, but the price ultimately made no sense for them.
It would’ve possibly opened the door for Miami to deal Jermaine O’Neal(notes) to the Suns and take back both
Stoudemire and Jason Richardson(notes). The Suns have tried to include Richardson, who will make $14.4 million
next season, in packages with Stoudemire.
– Adrian Wojnarowski, 6:08 p.m. ET, Feb. 16
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-tradebuzz021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Just realized
Haslem+Beasley for Amare doesn’t work in the trade checker. You’re 1.6 million short from Miami’s end so you’d have to add Wright or someone. Q+Beasley DOES work.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Ira Winderman: Michael Beasley could be on trade blocks
Sun Sentinel Miami Heat Writer Ira Winderman thinks an Amare Stoudemire deal could be done by Thursday’s trade deadline after all.
“I think the Heat very much is in the Amare Stoudemire chase,” Winderman said on the show this morning. "I think he fits a lot of the qualifications that they’re looking for, someone who can become a free agent in the offseason and help them retain their flexibility, but also someone who really fits quite a few of the needs of what this team is looking for as far as a reliable veteran with inside presence.
“I do believe that Michael Beasley is in play despite some comments otherwise. I think he has to be. I think this team has very limited trade resources to tempt another team. I think for now you’d have to say it’s Michael and the expiring contracts that are the best way for the Heat to get a deal done.”
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dolphins/joerose/2010/02/ira_winderman_michael_beasley.html
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Looks like Cavs and Wiz closing in on deal for Jamison
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 16, 2010 5:26 PM MST reply actions
Not good IMO
If Cleveland is officially out of the picture, than Miami has no competition at all and they can screw us because they KNOW that we’re desperate to move him before Thursday. We need CLE/MIA to battle it out until Thursday to try and get the best deal.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Basically, CLE's trying to force our hand IMO
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
yeah, we will lose leverage if Cleveland deals first
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 16, 2010 5:30 PM MST up reply actions
Heat fan saying something similar:
Riley is playing this smart. Dude knows what he is doing.
Think about it – he knows he doesn’t want CLE getting Amare because that takes 2 of his FA targets off the market. At the same time, he knows that CLE has other options and won’t wait around forever for PHX to decide.
So Riley keeps stringing Kerr along with the trying to find a 3rd party stuff and then when CLE pulls the trigger, Riley:
a) Has Kerr by the balls since the CLE offer is off the table and can low-ball PHX
b) Could also decide to pull out at the last minute and have pretty good odds to get Amare in the offseason
PHX fans rooting for the MIA deal should think about that…Riley could easily be playing this situation to his favor and screwing PHX even worse than they would be with the CLE offer.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
And again, "closing in" might be speculation
Woj just said that they’ve gotten further w/ Jamison than Amare, but nobody knows what that really means.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
either way, I'm rooting for Miami to lose just in case we get their draft pick(s) ;)
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 16, 2010 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
For sure
I hope we get draft picks.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Right now it's all speculation
Probably won’t have a true picture till tonight or maybe even tommorrow morning…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Cavs talks with Wizards intensify
The Cleveland Cavaliers have made significant progress in trade discussions with the Washington Wizards, offering Zydrunas Ilgauskas(notes), Jamario Moon(notes) and a No. 1 draft pick for Antawn Jamison(notes) and Mike James(notes), sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Some league sources believe this is a deal that is preferable to some members of the Cavaliers’ management and coaching staffs over Amar’e Stoudemire(notes), but Cleveland still hasn’t made a decision on which trade to ultimately make. Other trade proposals that intrigue the Cavs are still emerging on the landscape, but the focus now is on Jamison or Stoudemire.
…
Despite LeBron James’(notes) desire for Stoudemire, sources say some within the Cavs aren’t completely sold that acquiring the Phoenix Suns All-Star forward is the best move at the trade deadline. The front office and coaching staffs have to walk delicately when dealing with James on these trade scenarios, because ultimately he has to buy into the move they make.
"I don’t think that Phoenix believes that its deal for Amar’e is Cleveland’s No. 1 choice anymore," says a league source briefed on both team’s discussions.
Some Cavs officials are intrigued with Stoudemire, but believe that Antawn Jamison – and potentially other targets – could be a better fit. Stoudemire would bring dramatic change to a team that has won 13 straight and currently owns the NBA’s best record.
James’ desire to play with Stoudemire has been a major reason why the Cavaliers and Suns are so deep in negotiations. James has told Cavs management he can make things work among Stoudemire, Shaquille O’Neal(notes) and himself. Ultimately, that task will upon him far more than coach Mike Brown.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-cavswizards021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Not commenting at this depressing thread
Don’t mind if I want to savour the win over Memphis a little longer…
THE NEED
Everyone seems to only be looking at one of the Suns problems (Amar’e going or staying). We are ignoring the fact that whether he goes or stays, we are still going to be left with the other problems. Right now, Amar’e is only something we’d lose, what about what we don’t have and seriously need (D in the backcourt).
May be i’m the only one who thinks we need Iggy more than we need Amar’e staying or even obtaining draft picks. We last season got a defensive SF/PF in Clark but he is still a lightyear away from stepping in those shoe, what makes us think who we draft this offseason (if we do) will solve that problem instantly.
Whatever trade Kerr makes (if he makes one) i believe should bring in someone to solve the lack of D in the backcourt. Right now, i don’t think there are many backcourt stoppers with whom we won’t have to give up the big O, or else we’ll give up points without a mean to make our opponents to lose their ability to score. Yes the team last night showed some D, but we actually need someone who will bring it every 9.9 of 10 games, and who is that? Yeah, you got it… ANDRE IGUODALA. Who do we give up to get him? JRich, LB, Amar’e it doesn’t matter. If Kerrs trades Amar’e for cap relief and picks, someone else must be traded for Iggy (solid D and above average O)
Trading big for small in a West starved of quality forwards or centres is not advantageous
We should rely on trading LB or JRich for defensive SG or a defensive wing.
i never said i wanted to trade Amar’e for Iggy. But if it came to that, i would lose slepp as we have Lopez (love his game last night) and if we trade Amare for Iggy, we would have to give up LB as well and we’ll get Dalembert alongside Iggy, not too bad if we compared it with the Miami and Cavs trade.
I see: I still see Orlando as a better trading partner
I would take Lewis for Amare or Bass, Ryan Henderson and JJ
HELL NO
those guys put up less than 10 PPG, except for lewis and he earns more than amare and also scores less. The only deals i think might be out there better than Amar’e + 1) JRich/LB for Iggy+Dal (and pick or Speight) is either JRich+LB for Iggy + Dal
2) Suns – Heat: Amare+JRich for Beasley, JO and pick
then
Suns – 76ers: J.O for Iggy and Dal (may be give them a 2nd round pick)
If you think there is a better deal, lets here it
Energy from our bench may be the key...
Starting Lopex really helps defensively…Makes everyone’s defensive job easier…The trick is keeping him on the floor for 35-40 min. I am also starting to figure that if Amare is gone, we would not lose a lot if we got a replacement PF that could put up 15ppg and get about 8-9 boards…(Not always easy to find, but doable). This should be an ideal in any trade scenario.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Say again?!?!
“Foul out quickly with double teams that Amare use to attract” …Read this and see if you understand it…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
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