New Twist In Amare Stoudemire Trade Drama Involves The Chicago Bulls
by Seth Pollack on Feb 17, 2010 2:35 PM MST
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Based on reports from Sports 620 KTAR, the Suns are trying to get a third team involved in a trade for Amare Stoudemire. We've heard for awhile the that Suns want Andre Iguodala. Today we learned that the Suns are also interested in Luol Deng from the Chicago Bulls or possibly Kirk Hinrich.
The deal would work like this:
Suns would send Amare to Cleveland and J.J. Hickson would come to the Suns. Zydrunas Ilgauskas with his expiring $11.5m contract that has 75% of his salary already paid would be moved to that 3rd team with that player coming back to Phoenix.
The 76ers have made it pretty clear that they are not interested in taking back an expiring deal in return for Andre so that seems like a long shot to me.
The Bulls however, are very interested in getting further under the salary cap and so a deal like this would be of more value to them. All reports are they would love to dump Kirk Hinrich who's owed $9m next year and $8m in 2011/12 and would probably do this in a heart beat.
I like Kirk a lot but I don't see how he fits on the Suns team. He's a great defensive PG and would be a solid backup for Nash but for that salary why would the Suns want to add him to back court bench that already includes Barbosa and Dragic?
Luol Deng is a more interesting option despite the $51m he's owed over the next four years. He's an aggressive wing player who can both defend and put up points. At 6'9" he can also play the PF at times. 18 points and 7.4 rebounds from a guy that can shoot the three and shore up the SF for years to come...not bad.
The Bulls however, are going to want more than just Big Z's expiring.
Perhaps the Suns make this deal with the Heat that sends Amare to Miami, Beasley and an expiring to the Bulls and the Heat's 1st round pick to Phoenix and the Raptors 1st round pick to the Bulls.
- Chicago replaces Deng with Beasley and saves about $6.8m going into the summer and leaves them with about $18m under the cap. They unload a long term contract which gives the more room for Rose and Noah when it's time to pay them and they also get to see how Beasley works out and still have cap room to go after Bosh or another free agent.
- Miami gets Amare to help try and keep Wade and they give up Beasley, expirings and two 1st round picks.
- Suns get Deng and a 1st round pick maybe some filler to make up about $1.5m.
This looks better for the Bulls but worse for the Suns than a Cleveland deal where:
- Cleveland gets Amare
- Suns get Hickson and Deng
- Bulls get Big Z and...Dudley? Clark? It would take something else to get the Bulls to give up Deng
Bottom line, the Suns are trying to find a way to get more than just Hickson and the Cavs draft pick and this will likely go down to the wire. Stay tuned!
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The worst thing we can do at this point
is take back a cap-clogging contract we don’t need. Deng and Hinrich are both cap-clogging contracts we don’t need.
I do like Deng on the Suns
But his contract is so … ugly. I don’t support sending Dudley or Clark away just to get Deng. I guess if I had to choose. I’d prefer the Cavaliers/Bulls trade, where we get back Hickson and Deng.
From Cavs beat writer Brian Windhorst's twitter:
“There are some indications out there that the Suns are getting close to giving Cavs an answer on Amar’e. As in very soon.”
Bad from a luxury tax perspective.
If it’s important to the Suns to avoid paying the luxury tax, this deal does nothing on that end. Deng is owed a ton of money through 2013/2014. If they traded directly for Z, they could avoid the luxury tax this year.
Depends what’s most important to Sarver.
Hold Up
If we’re talking Deng why not just trade him to the bulls for Deng+Gibson+Jerome james (+ pick). I’d much prefer gibson to hickson.
The only one of those contracts that is expiring is James
effectively the Bulls would add $4million to their books next offseason but already have one of the guys they were going to pursue.
Hickson can jump through the roof. He’s probably a more explosive leaper than LeBron, with a lower basketball IQ.
When he develops a jumper, and he will, his ceiling is easily as high as Amar’e’s. No joke.
That all depends on how low his basketball IQ actually is.
ROdney Carney is very very fast and can jump really really high.
That doesn’t make him a good basketball player
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Hickson has no upside at all. He’s the same kind of player Gibson is, it’s just that the guy is the 5th offensive option on a team that has always one/two guys with two defenders on them (Lebron and Shaq). Of course he scores more than Taj, he’s being left alone every single play.
Everything else is pretty much the same between these two.
I don't like any deal that gets rid of Clark
I think we drafted a diamond in the rough. Stick with the kid and he will pay dividends.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Agree
But Dudley’s the type of role player every good team needs. So I’m really hesitant to get rid of him, too.
If you feel you can add a start at some point – you don’t let a role player hold it up – role players are easier to find than stars and sometimes they just shine for a moment and then burn out (see James Posey, stealing money from New Orleans)
Role players are like middle relievers in baseball, they are much more abundant and often fungible
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
It always hurts trading away fan favorites. I’m a Bulls fan and I tell you its just not the same without Nocioni. It took me a while to get over Q when he got traded from the Suns.
I’ve always worried more aout the health of the team – i wasn’t sorry to see Iverson leave philly – i was just sorry they didn’t trade him when i thought the should have (2002 after brown jumped ship) and gotten morevalue for him.
Many fans miss reggie evans in philadelphia – i’m not sure why – cause he sucks
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
can we not send Frye or Barbs?
instead of Clark and Dudley
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
Sure...I would do that
I think the question is what would it take to get the Bulls to move Deng?
Personally, I would move Clark if they wanted him
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 17, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
I'd rather send Dudley than clark
clarks got too much po-ten-tial
I'd rather keep them both
I have always liked and believed in Kerr’s ability when it comes to picking talent in drafts. I don’t wanna see both of them in another teams’ uniform other than the Suns’. I’m don’t look forward to them coming here against us and giving us a glimpse of what we lost.
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
by Spit_Fire on Feb 17, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
indeed
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Trade the Most Athletic Hands in the world??????????
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 17, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
LOL, forgot about that☺
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
But if we move Clark to other team/s
then he’ll probably reach his potential just like any other picks the Suns have traded and then he’ll be added to the list of players that turned out to be good when we should’ve had more patience to develop him.
Then after 2 or 3 years I’ll probably bitch about it here in BSOTS that the list of those players are growing and we should have kept him…
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
Loul Deng is the Bulls Iguodala – good luck trying to get him :)
As for Hinrich – if his contract didn’t so totally blow he’d be on the lakers already.
I’ve read rumors today that the cavs are more interested in a wizards deal and that the heat are desperately looking for a 3rd team cause the heat have nothing the suns want (including the positionless beasley)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 2:52 PM MST reply actions
Its too bad about Iggy. I heard that there was already an offer made by the Heat in a 3 team deal that would have landed the 76ers Beasley, the Heat Amare and the Suns Iggy. That wasn’t the whole deal just the main parts. It got turned down by Philly because they got cold feet. They didn’t want to build around Beasley. I hear the 76er fans were pretty mad.
Yeah
i’m sure both of them were upset about that trade not going through
by DaveJD on Feb 17, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure who you heard it from – but no – they weren’t very mad – cause Beasley is over rated and not ‘cheap’ cause he was the second pick in the draft going on to his 3rd year…he’s not inexpensive, and he’s not a core player…
The sixers also turned down a ‘better’ offer of T-mac and budinger (because of t-mac’s hugely expiring contract) for Andre/Dalembert.
The sixers GM is kind of a moron
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
The Suns have a thing for players they drafted and traded away or were going to draft
Trying to trade for Iguodala, Deng, Hickson …
Call me crazy
But I’d rather get expiring deals back and take a shot at the upcoming free agent pool. Not really onboard with overpaying for role players.
by underxthebridge on Feb 17, 2010 2:55 PM MST reply actions
If we got Luol Deng from the Bulls team that upset the Heat in the playoffs a few years ago, that’d be great. But I’m pretty sure that’s not the Luol Deng under contract now.
by underxthebridge on Feb 17, 2010 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
+1
I agree – if Amare must be traded lets get Gay in the offseason and draft some more young-ins
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Maybe not…Memphis has a cheap owner with a lot of players who will be earning a lot of money in a few years and he’s positioning for a sale of the team as well…many believe that Memphis is not going to match any even reasonable offer to Rudy
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
Deng > Iguodala
I think..I don’t have strong feeling but both have similar contracts
Deng is a true SF that can play PF and is 6’9" which is much more valuable than a SG
Deng can shoot the three better
I keep hearing how he’s playing really well for the Bulls and is a solid defender
But I’ve also heard bad things about him settling for jump shots, etc
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They both are actually in fairly similar situations
Good players who are overpaid and have serious flaws
It’s one of the most annoying memes out there…
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
I've decided
that it’s a meme spawned from the recession. Nobody cared this much about players salaries in the recent past
It’s especially super trendy now (not that it didn’t happen in the past) to call someone in professional sports overpaid likely due to all the talk of socialized this and socialized that, take from the ‘haves’ and give to the ‘have nots’.
Stop being jealous.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Oh – not sure about bulls fans – but half the sixers fan base thought Iguodala was over paid the moment he signed his deal :)
I thought Sam Dalembert was over paid the moment he signed his deal – but then again so did most of the NBA :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t dismiss that some players really are ‘overpaid’ – I’m just saying its an awful trendy term and trendy terms are always misused and distorted.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
I felt Gilbert Areanas was over paid the moment he re-signed his big deal – even before his gun nonsense for instance :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
And you'd think the best player in the league
would have the biggest salary – I mean I would pay 25 Mill for LeBron – but that trophy goes to…. TRACY MCGRADY!! WHOOHOO!
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
The best player in MLB doesn’t have the biggest salary either.
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
too true
and it’s a beautiful thing because someone with the checkbook agreed to pay them. Lucky guys.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
I mean if you want to talk over paid athletes how can you NOT immediately jump to baseball before the NBA, i mean i think the mets are STILL paying bobby bonilla :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, the highest paid baseball players
Make a TON of money. But if you’re drafted, it takes a long, long time to make ANY money. Take Mark Reynolds for instance. Leads the team in home-runs, and he’s only making 500k or some crap.
So you don’t follow baseball – like the draft – very closely do you?
So – baseball players who get big money after being underpaid for years – it’s ok
but not basketball players
And of all your examples of under paid baseball players you chose mark reynolds…interesting….and telling
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
Both of them are overpaid
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
+1
They’re both worth about 7 or 8 mil a year, in my opinion. Definitely valuable players, but neither are team leaders or players that will will a team to victory.
Do you know what players make 7-8 million dollars per year in the NBA?
Do you know what the MLE starts at?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
Who in the NBA doesn’t make too much money to you?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
Of the major names that aren't on rookie contracts
LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, and Kobe Bryant are a few.
Compared to what he produces this year – and his age – and injury proneness – KG is probably grossly over paid this year – he’s barely contributing – but hey fans still voted him into the all star game (and no one talked about that injustice)
Dwight Howard – The defensive rebounding machine with no offense game and worse FT shooting than Fat Shaq ever had?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
I'll maybe agree about Garnett
But dude gives 150% all the time. With Dwight, it is a bit of a case of supply and demand. Not many big guys out there that average 15 rebounds a game. Plus, he’s a leader on that team. Leadership, passion, effort, and culpability go a long way with me. That’s what separates max players from good players, imo.
But dude gives 150% all the time.
Dudes a punk, dudes a front runnner, dude punched a team mate acorss the face cause he was beating him in a game of one on one and his (KGs) friends were laughing at him.
And this ‘150%’ garbage is one of the more tiresome things sports fans say its liek saying ‘he wants to win’ – please show me athletes who want to lose.
KG is a punk – a broken down punk – and an over paid punk
And the only reason the Celtics win is because they are so physical when playing defense that the refs ignore all the fouls or the game would never finish
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
So if someone offered to trade you Garnett for Bran you'd turn em down
i bet you’d stop calling him a punk then eh?
Nope – I wouldn’t…and since his contract is much shorter than Brands, I’d be all for the sixers taking him.
He’s still a punk, and a broken down one at that.
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
There may be and there may not be
However, it’s universally recognized by people with common sense who find hyperbole the tool of the weak mind that giving more than 100% is biophysically not possible
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
PS – effort doesn’t always equal ability.
This from a fan of Bobby Abreu who had to listen to idiots bad mouth him while he was a phillie for ‘not playing the right way’ or ‘not trying’ – cause when you’re watching through a tv you can determine effort.
And dealing with many of the same fans who loved the ‘effort’ of reggie evans – who cares if he has no talent an no positive impact on the game – at least it LOOKS like he’s trying.
Believing you can determine effort level by watching a guy on tv (or even in person) is just a fools errand
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
But you’re egotistical enough to think yo ucan determine what player is giving max effort and what player isn’t because you watch a game on your television?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
Everyone critisizes Amare's effort on Defense
in the same way.
They see him miss defensive assignments or whatnot and they automatically say he ’doesn’t try’ or he shuts down – but in my opinion the guy leaves it out there. the problem is his defensive awareness. Great D not only requires effort but anticipation and a knowledge of player tendencies (not only your opponents but your teammates as well) so you can place yourself in a position to act instead of react when it’s too late, which is what Amare does an awful lot. .
Amare works as hard as anybody and effort isn’t the problem – maybe it’s more time in the film room and hitting the scouting reports that will continue to help his defensive improvements. I say this because every time he is interviewed after a great defensive game he specifically mentions watching tape and preparation as keys to his success.
Sorry to change topics a little – just had the thought – and many here are the same who place the ‘no effort’ misnomer on Amare’s shoulders.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
So you’re problem is with contracts in the NBA (and professional sports) in general then?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
Hmm….mostly the NBA – i wonder why that might be.
So what your problem truly is with is society and how professional sports are valued, which is kind of funny as most people who post on sports blogs are not the ‘average’ but the more dedicated sports fan, so the suns are important to you, the nba is important to you but you have a problem with the wage scale that has its basis in economics and ‘scarcity’?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
. you know what I love – no body says anything about how UNDERPAID guys are when they’re on rookie contracts. If you factor in rookie deals these guys are just being paid what they should have been paid to start with (as research and statistics demonstrated that in his rookie years, andre iguodala had the value of a 10 mil per year player)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
When 100% healthy – that’s very true
When’s the last time Loul Deng was 100% healthy?
Andre Iguodala is a SF who can play PG, SG, and SF
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
the question is
is Deng > cap space?
That I am not so sure about….the Suns biggest need for the long term is a wing player and other than Gay, there aren’t many out there and I think Deng is better than Rudy Gay given his size and defense.
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Feb 17, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think he is
You don’t rebuild by paying big money to (very good) role players like Deng/Iggy
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I don't know if I think Deng is better than Gay
even though the statistics agree with you Seth..
I just see more potential and explosiveness in Gay – also he’s only 23 and in his 3rd year whereas Deng is a year older, has an injury history, and already has a large contract tattooed on him. With Gay at least we can take a part in his contract negotiation if we do pursue him.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
good points
and the injury history is a concern but honestly I don’t know the details…some injuries are “incidental” and some are chronic
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 17, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
I remember
hearing how teammates and others were upset with Deng because he wouldn’t play through certain things and whatnot – something to that effect. It’s just one of those things that makes you hesitate.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
It was that he wasn't playing for the bulls towards the end of the season
but was planning to play for the GB team in the summer.
I’m a Bulls fan as well, but I’ll admit that I have seen much of their games since the 07-08 season. I liked Deng, he is a good shooter that doesn’t take many threes. Skiles told him to stop shooting the threes when he was the Coach. I don’t know if Deng has changed his game. Deng is good, but his contract isn’t worth it. I prefer Iggy over him because of his play-making abilities.
Deng is a better outside shooter, Iguodala is a really bad perimeter shooter, but defensively he’s quite good and his court vision is kind of incredible.
You have to factor health into this and Iguodala has missed less than 10 games due to injury his entire career and he was a starter from day 1
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t really want him, anyway. Something has to happen. Paxson isn’t a good GM. I believe if we wanted Deng we could get him for a reasonable price. The Bulls are no where in the position to be demanding a lot of value back for Deng when they over payed him big time.
Except that he’s not over paid
And yes they are
Because Phoenix is the team that’s desperate to move Amare Stoudemire – they wnet public – they pretty much told everyone they ‘have’ to move him – they have no bargaining power – not really – they bcked themselves into a corner
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
why are you still trolling on the Suns board
now that the Sixers have taken themselves out of the Amare sweepstakes?
What do you care if the Suns fans prefer Deng to Iggy?
Well the Suns aren’t getting either of them, but I’m wondering, your name isn’t at the bottom, is this a closed community?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
no or course not
just curious why it matters to you
I’m interested, I like this board, and if you think I’m trolling you’ve never actually MET a troll online have you?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
I did, he ate one of my billy-goats
it was a horriffic experience.
Why were your billy goats on line?
Were they gruff?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
guys...that's just
baaaaaaaaaad
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 17, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
I like jemagee
he adds paradigmatic variety. That’s a good thing for conversation.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Its more interesting than the discussions going on at the Philly board?
Fan 1: Do you think we should trade our bad contracts and rebuild?
Fan 2: NO WAY, if we kep this group together we have a shot at 25 wins this season
Fan 3: ALLEN IVERSON ROCKS!!!!!
Dengs PER is almost the same as Iggy
and his contract is less and he does not need the ball in his hands like Iggy does
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Feb 17, 2010 3:18 PM MST reply actions
Well there you have it – that GUT of basketball has spoken (oh how i hate per – it’s like the OPS of basketball)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
When in doubt
go for the bigger guy
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Feb 17, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
Except that Brad Daugherty was ‘the bigger guy’
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
Two great examples in one draft of "size over superiod talent" working out both ways
Although Hakeem was definitely a great talent, as well.
Memphis drafted Hasheem Thabeet
Minnesota preferred love over mayo which probably was a mistake too
It’s not like you have to go that far back to find mistakes in the draft based on the ’can’t teach height meme’ – it happens every year.
It will happen this year – cole aldrich will be drafted too high cause he’s tall
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
Didn't say it was the only year this mistake has occurred.
I just find it interesting that in that particular draft, one big guy worked out really well being drafted over Jordan, and the other failed miserably.
memphis should have kept love
if only for the fact that there could now be a gay-love era in memphis
by DaveJD on Feb 17, 2010 3:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
everyone was thinking it
Simmons just happens to be the dude with a column that thousands of people read haha
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
That’s how the sixers justified drafting Shawn Bradley
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
key word - doubt
Thabeet I had no doubt would suck as a #2 pick..
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
I had no doubt bradley would suck as a #2 pick either :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
I kinda like Thabeet
he’s already leading the nba in blocks per minute. Obviously he should’ve gone behind Evans, Jennings, HArden, Curry etc but Memphis didn’t really need any guards. Joy of hindsight eh?
At the #2 pick – you draft the best player available.
Say Utah gets the #1 pick – or new orelans – do you think they pass on John Wall? No – you really really don’t – that’s just stupid – unless you think Evan Turner is a better NBA prospect (and no one really thinks that do they?)
Sam Dalembert used to lead the NBA in blocks per minute – just saying
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
In a draft loaded w/ PG's
and they are starting Mike Conley who they are now trying to trade….Curry. Flynn, Holiday, Jennings, Lawson, Collison
They should have traded down and gotten a PG
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 17, 2010 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
Well – trading down isn’t always that easy – you have to find someone willing to trade up at the same time…personally – if they felt that Thabeet was the best player available – that’s fine – but did any draft service, even nbadraft.net, have Thabeet as the 2nd best player in the draft?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
Ah Rubio – the guy who didn’t want to play for anyone
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
Ah Rubio – the guy who didn’t want to play in BFE
Fixed :)
by underxthebridge on Feb 17, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
Most NBA teams are in BFE (and sorry , but for a lot of the nation Phoenix falls on that list…my gf refuses to move there because she hears you have snake issues there)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
That’s definitely the common opinion among those who have never been. But, as a native, I run into more people who moved here from elsewhere. And a large number of those came for a visit, loved it, and decided to stay.
And while we’re dropping s/o references, my fiancee falls into that category!
by underxthebridge on Feb 17, 2010 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
Well, I’m applying for a job (P/T) with a local Professional sports franchise in the phoenix area and she’s glad that it’s a remote job that’s all.
I’ve been to arizona for a weekend during grad school application process (U of A) from winter in madison – i remember it rained REALLY hard – for about 10 minutes
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
FWIW
It’s a lot easier to cool your car off in the summer than defrost it in the winter! But good luck with that, mang.
by underxthebridge on Feb 17, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
Well see – that was undergrad, i now live in santa barbara and work a block from the pacific ocean :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
I don't like Rubio
I hate the fact that some player/s that want to be included in the draft, and when drafted, tells the team they won’t be signing at least a year or two because they think they’re not ready yet. Then why the hell did they bother to include their name on that list.
We all want to fall in love. Why? Because that experience makes us feel completely alive,where every sense is heightened, and every emotion is magnified. Our everyday reality is shattered and we are flying into the heavens. It may only last a moment, an hour, or an afternoon, but that doesn't diminish its value, because we are left with memoriesthat we treasure for the rest of our lives.
SO foreigners too….you sure you weren’t transported here from 1951?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:01 PM MST up reply actions
Are you implying that he's racist?
Come on man.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Jingoist then.
He was criticizing Rubio b/c of the way Rubio handled the situation, not b/c Rubio’s a foreigner.
Unless you were joking?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
There’s more to it than JUST the rubio comment…
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
And I hope that douche one day becomes a Sun
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Yeahhh
Me too. I’ll give the draft stuff a pass. Dude’s still got some growing up to do.
by underxthebridge on Feb 17, 2010 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Raise your hand if you were ‘fully grown’ at 18
It’s really ridiculous what people expect from 18/19 year olds when they themselves weren’t even that way
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
No one makes the NBA draft him.
And since he has a 3 million dollar buy out – but doesn’t have 3 millio dollars – and the wolves can only provide 500K – would you lend him the 2.5 million dollars?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
Thats why i said hindsight is a beautiful thing
that draft was considered to be griffin or bust, nobody knew Evans was going to turn out to be the PG version of LeBron, that Jennings would drop 55 in his rookie season etc. Memphis didn’t need those guys, they are set on the wings and at PG, but a 7’3 center who has the potential to completely change a game with his D is something they needed. Drafting is, after all, a gamble but they obviously considered Thabet a gamble worth taking.
Well here’s the thing…I don’t recall a single mock saying anything about THabeet being the #2 pick.
Of course, I got sixer fans who say the sixers should have drafted lawson over holiday and ignoring the massive age difference upside between the two :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
Alright, I don’t see a the possible 3rd team being Chicago or Philly. Their GM’s don’t have the guts to make big trades. If they did than the Bulls would’ve gotten Gasol two years ago.
That leaves us to the “Mysterious” team. I think its GS.
Nothing we haven’t already heard. He told me yesterday that Adonde’s reports were false and to not listen to him. He didn’t mean any disrespect to the guy. He just said that Adonde’s reports are false.
I tend to ignore anything anyone who works for ESPN says…it’s easier
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
Its the mutual of a mutual...
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
the thing about deng and igoudala for me is that their contracts is the length of their contracts. the salary cap is projected to be at about $50 -$53 mil next year. what is it going to be in 3 years when both players are under contract for $14 mil? will their contracts take up a third of our salary? a fourth? i want to avoid a situation where we have to trade two unprotected first rounders to get rid of one of them. that’s why i’m a little leery about taking either of them back in a trade.
Banzai!
Why pay for Deng when we didn't pay Amare
Deng has shown he has been injury prone as well.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Deng makes less than the 20 mil per year for the next 3 that Amre wants?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
Amare was asking for less than that according to reports
Probably in the 17 million range…Seth reported that Gambo said that the Suns management offered him 2 years at 14 million after his option….Not close enough to Amare’s taste I guess.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
From Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski, via Twitter:
“The Suns have told Amar’e Stoudemire that he is playing tonight against the Dallas Mavericks, suggesting no imminent trade, sources tell Y!”
Well that's comforting...
I’d rather they trade him and get this over with…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
CHAMPIONSHIP BABY!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I saw that report and couldn’t really understand it whatsoever…it makes as much sense as the celtics ‘really wanting’ nate robinson
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
but then you have a ‘contender’ (i use the term loosely, their division sucks and they’re old and hobbled) liek the celtics who think nate robinson – the poster child for the ADA in the NBA – is going to change their fortunes?
This is a guy who was benched by the guy who wants to score a lot of points :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:08 PM MST up reply actions
As much as I hate the NBA resident version of Gary Coleman...
Nate’s got some serious energy and athleticism…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
He’s got very little range (House does) – so he’s less of an outside threat in the playoffs, and he can’t guard anyone.
I suppose if you need someone to fire off 10 shots in 3 minutes and not play defense, he’s your man
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
Energy guy off the bench type...
Changes the tempo of a game….
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Yeah, people tell me willie green does that too…
If a guy gives up more points than he scores – who cares what sort of tempo he brings.
He can’t play with Rondo
He can’t play the point.
The Celtics still need a back up onit guard and allen and KG to find the fountain of youth.
I’m hoping that the celtics actually end up the 5 seed – that would be awesome
Yes – I hate the celtics – but I hated KG when he was a t-wolf too – all that energy and 150% couldn’t get out of the first round of the playoffs without help AND that whole punching incident
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
Nate's good for something...
Besides being a 5’9" athlethic freak of nature….just not sure what it is…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Stealing dunk contests and having the ADA people leave the NBA alone about their dsicrimination against short people :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
Plus eddie house never stole a dunk contest from Andre Iguodala
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:10 PM MST up reply actions
I thought maybe the Knicks got a few more hundred thousand dollars in expiring money
but nope, Brian Cardinal makes less than Darko.
2nd round pick? Cash in the deal? Seriously – what’s the point?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:10 PM MST up reply actions
It's obviously part of the Knicks master plan to become relevant again! ;)
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 17, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
If the kincks complete the rumored rockets deal they will have MASSIVE cash space – and four players under contract for next year (including Eddy Curry, so only 3 relevant)
I can’t wait to see the swing and miss and over pay david lee and joe johnson to be ‘super stars’
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
In Biedrins defense he plays for the most idiotic coach in the league
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
called it
i said they should go after Deng.(wrote it on a previous post)
i think the following SF’s are the best in the western conference
K. Durant, C Anthony, are the top 2 and the rest R.Gay, L Odom, R Artest are the next tier down, i think if we get Deng he would be in this second tier .
His stats in the nba overall for the SFposition is 9th in scoring and 10th in efficency and 8th in pts/reb/asts.
everyone is saying his contract is bad but with the players we will get back in terms of thier bball play i personally like Deng, Hickson, T Thomas, Beasly in that order.
i guess 2mrw we are all going to be dissapointed with any deal or ok with it only way we will be happy is that if we get both miami’s first round picks in the 2010 draft
holy crap guys
PDcavsinsider
Washington Post reports the Cavs have traded for Antawn Jamison
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
And yet the cavs beat writer doesn’t confirm it :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
yeah that's true
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
What is intersting is that windhorst said this two hours ago (approx)
There are some indications out there that the Suns are getting close to giving Cavs an answer on Amar’e. As in very soon.
So maybe the answer was – we want more – so the cavs said – ok – we’ll trade for Jamison?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
If this is true, we're kind of screwed yeah?
Now Riley has all of the leverage. Alllll of it.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Actually – if I’m ed stefanski I’m picking up the phone to call Kerr right now – if Iguodala really is their ‘dream’ target – the heat have squat to offer…
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
I still think the cavs REAL problem is who plays center next year – how do you make lebron happy
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
Now – if the suns are REALLY dedicated to getting rid of Amare and they REALLY want ANdre Iguodala – THIS is where things get interesting – cause even if you take on dalembert – the sixers have more to offer
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:30 PM MST reply actions
wow
The_Real_Espo
RT @PDcavsinsider: Washington Post reports the Cavs have traded for Antawn Jamison
1 minute ago from TweetDeck
Steve Nash plays D!!
Twitter: @PhxSuns86
The Suns are getting deleveraged by the circumstances
This potential puts uat a a lesser position in a deal with Miami…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Desperate or not – aside from O’neal – he has nothing to offer that other teams reall want (aside from d’wyane wade)…no one wants beasley – thus the sixers become the team in the drivers seat.
The Heat Covet Amare
The Suns Covet Iguodala and have made it pretty clear they want Amare gone.
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
He might be desperate...but were talking about our luck
I really want to see this ending well…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
All that does is link to the same twitter account Windhorst is probably referencing
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
I'm sick and tired of this trade talk
I can’t wait until 3:01 tommorow
I'm the resident pessimist. And I'm indefatigable.
Windhorst has Twitter that makes it smell fishy
I do not have confirmation, working on it now. Post reports 3-team deal that would send Ilgauskas/pick to Wash. D. Gooden also involved.
Isn’t there some rule about trading guys who have just been traded if it’s not in the 72 hour window?
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:43 PM MST reply actions
The Chicago Bulls held guard John Salmons out of Wednesday’s game at New York in anticipation of a trade, sources said.
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:44 PM MST reply actions
Leaving for the airport...
…got a flight to Belgium in a few hours. I really hope there is free wifi there.
Windhorst again
Trade is not finalized, but sources have said all parties have agreed in principle.
So the suns lose their primary trade partner – good luck
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:48 PM MST reply actions
Woj confirms
WojYahooNBA
Cavs get Jamison and Telfair, Clippers get Drew Gooden and Wash gets Illgauskas, Al Thornton and Brian Skinner and Cavs 1st round pick.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
And that’s how gooden works in the deal – and the clips buy out gooden – save a bit more money – and gooden goes back to dallas
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
OK now I get it...
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Yeah – didn’t realize it was a 3 team deal – gooden can be traded on his own :)
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 5:03 PM MST up reply actions
Gooden wanted out of Wiz to go to the Clippers???
Doesn’t get much better than that…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Only question about going back to Dallas is the PT
With Dampier, Haywood & Nowitzki, PT going to be slim for him…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Actually
The Clip have a much better future and better players…With this trade happening Andray Blatche and Randy Foye effectively become there best players…Although the Wiz will be major players in this years free agent class….especially if they could void Arenas contract…They would have like 3 people under contract…Then Arenas can come to the Suns for cheap, get whipped into shape by Nash and Hill and go hibatchi.
But seriously….The clip have a bright future in Outlaw,Griffin,Kaman,and Davis….
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
They're going to buy out Z
Which means Cavs just got Antawn Jamison for the 30th pick in the draft.
This is why the CBA needs to change ASAP.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Well the CBA will change, but I’ve read nothing that the CBA will change to close the buyout loophole.
If anything, they make it easier with partially non guaranteed contracts
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
Jaminson
Is going to Cleveland!!!!!!!!!!!!! WohoOoO!
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
more news
Gambo620
I am hearing that Amare Stouemire will remain a Phoenix Sun…..
The_Real_Espo
KTAR’s John Gambadoro says that the Cavaliers rejected the Suns offer and not the other way around.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I suppose that’s good news for the next couple months.
But then amare opts out – the suns don’t re-sign him – so instead of getting even a single asset for him the suns are left with squat
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 5:07 PM MST up reply actions
lol
They said that Cleveland walked away because they wouldn’t give up Hickson.
Then Ash said that he thought the deal would’ve been bad for PHX anyways….less than 48 hours after both he and Gambo hyped it up.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Amare doesn't get traded!
VICTORY!
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Haha history much?
I really think this isn’t a bad thing – Let’s just say that I have boat loads more confidence in Kerr as a competent GM than 98% of those who post here.
I don’t believe for a second that Kerr would stand by and let Amare walk at the end of the season and stick it to us – all but signing the divorce papers between Kerr and the Suns on his way out himself. I have no doubt Kerr has some sneaky snake plans up his sleeves.
I’ll reiterate – he was eating at Stoudemire’s Downtown this afternoon… take it for what it’s worth :)
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
They serve good food.
I don’t know kerr – but if they REALLY want iguodala….
Amare/Rich to Miami
JO and some other squat (maybe beasley) to philly
Iguodala and Brand to phoenix
I’m down
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions
I don't mind that
But I would love to see Amare continue to be a Phoenix Sun
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
I would
Do this deal only if Chicago agreed to take Richardson’s contract…
Phoenix Gets:Brad Miller, Tyrus Thomas, Luol Deng
Chicago Gets: Amare Stoudemire/Jason Richardson
I’d also be willing to throw in Earl Clark if we had too. Getting Deng would effectively make him useless.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
I forget to mention we would save $19,346,657 between the trade difference plus miller and thomas’ expiring deal…But, if Thomas does good we could resign him…Deng and Thomas could be great in t he Suns system…Even Brad Miller could help space the floor…We’d be really, really deep as well.
Nash/Dragic-Barbosa/Dudley-Deng/Hill/Clark-Thomas/Frye/Amundson/Clark-Fropez/Miller
we’d have a 12 man rotation and have one of the best second units in all of basketball if not THE best.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
Gambo's just making things up as he goes along
Gambo620
Michael Beasley is not being offered by the Miami Heat to the Phoenix Suns…So it looks very much like Amare Stoudemire will stay in Phx
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
this after two days of saying he HAS been offered
excellent journalistic work my friends
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
SEBASTIAN TELFAIR
Is a man on a mission….Destined to single handedly ruin Cavaliers chemistry one handed. The Quest is on…
Be sure to watch all of the action!!!
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
Actually considering how guards are dropping left and right (or facing criminal charges) in Cleveland – he’s a nice little insurance policy…he isn’t great, but he’s not a team killer like people claim
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 5:21 PM MST up reply actions
I know....
He isn’t the worst but he was mentored by Zach Randolph, Rashed Wallace and the JailBlazers corporation.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
You mean the zach randolph who made the all star team and is leading the grizzlies to the playoffs?
Telafir and Randolph have been nothing but team positive this season as far as i can see…not really sure why you have to look at ancient history to make a point
by jemagee on Feb 17, 2010 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
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