Suns Bench Stuffs Hawks In Defensive Grind Fest: 88-80
If you want to know why the Suns won this game, just play the following audio:
With Steve Nash suffering from self-described back and lower abdominal issues and what Coach Gentry loosely described as Post Olympic Torch and Cauldron Lighting Fatigue Syndrome, the Suns bench stepped to the mound and stuffed the Hawks with a defensive gem.
Let's play a little game I call, Guess the Quote:
- "Their second unit came in and did a heck of a job against our first unit. Momentum plays will just hurt you when you aren't blocking out and rebounding the basketball. We can't run unless we block out and rebound."
- "We didn't run the offense with good pace."
- "They came out with a lot of energy. They made a run that we never recovered from."
If you guessed these were Suns quotes from December, you might be right.
They certainly sound familiar enough but no - tonight those come from 1) Mike "No Eyebrows" Woodson, 2) Josh "Dunkenstien" Smith, and 3) Joe "No Nickname Fits His Boring But Efficient Ass" Johnson.
Lets play another silly game. Guess what these numbers mean:
- Nov 15, 2009
- 90
Answers after the jump...
- The previous game with the lowest Suns point total in a win which came on that date against the Raptors. The Suns scored 101 points and won. They scored 88 tonight. Btw, their previous low point total in a loss: 88 against the Lakers on December 6th.
- The previous lowest opponent point total which came on November 8th against the Wizards
You get the drift now? The Suns didn't score a lot of points but they held the Hawks to even fewer points.
That's a rare thing for the Suns except to Steve Nash, who said, "That's what you get when you play the Suns."
I think we should discount what he says, though. He's all screwed up physically right now. Pains. Aches. Torch Fatigue. Perhaps even YouTube Overexposure (which I hear can be painful - but I wouldn't know).
The quote of the post-game came from Jared Dudley. Always candid, JD said this when asked about the Suns going away from the zone defense, "I'm glad, to be honest with you. We're not a good zone team because we don't communicate well defensively. Sometimes we get lazy. That's basically what the zone is. Zone is for people that can't guard anyone. Sometimes we can switch it up and keep them off balance, but for the most part, to be successful in this league, you have to play man to man."
Sweet.
Here's a picture that could give you nightmares...good night now
Post Game Links:
Post Game Audio:
Notes Taken During the Course Of The Game Instead Of Watching The Game
1st Qtr
- JRich has Bibby in the post, he passes out to re-post, Nash blows the 2nd entry pass, Bibby steal, Josh Smith dunk. Only the first decision in this sequence needs to be reexamined...
- Fan just yelled, "Sign the extension" while Amare was at the line...I always take my career advice from the bleacher dwellers
- Amare looking....very Max so far on both ends of the wooden square surface
- Robin with the great chase down "block" on Josh Smith in the open court. SWEEET
- Suns need to get JRich some touches...typical game so far where he can't buy a look
- Robin's dropped two fouls and 4 points on All-Star Horford
- Amare w/ 10 points already = good
- Gentry has completely stopped using the zone...at some point a few weeks ago he just gave up on it
- Jason Collins is wider (fatter) than Jarron Collins. But Jason is on the floor and Jarron is on the bench so he's got that
- I've noticed that Frye and Robin always cheer for the other one from the bench...very supportive of each other
- Decent defense. 23 points on 38% shooting. Of course Horford and Smith both were in foul trouble
- 26-23 Suns
2nd Qtr
- I really should be paying more attention to this game. I am having attention deficit fatigue syndrome
- 2nd unit playing great D. Lots of deflections and what not
- Josh Smith just backed off Frye and starred at him take a 15 foot J. That's the DPOY???
- Hawks have scored 2 points in the quarter until Frye whiffed on a wide-open lay up leading to a run out
- And by whiffed on a wide open layup, I mean he like didn't even get the ball to the rim
- Goran goes right at Josh Smith and gets the little pull up J in the lane...what a vet move
- Nash and Amare have rested a long time in this quarter
- Welcome back to the game Amare. Here's your two points
- Our number 15 is outplaying their number 15 and lets not forget that our number 15 was drafted with their draft pick
- Josh Smith does a Channing Frye and misses and open dunk. Channing thanked him
- Robin Lopez the second leading scorer...has anyone gone from zero to hero faster?
- I don't understand how this game is close...Suns are shooting 10% better. TOs and OReb are about even. Each team has 2 three's and now Suns are down 1?? SMH
- Way to let down to close the half.
3rd Qtr
- Ice cream!!!
- Just when Nash finally finds Jason for a corner three. Lopez gets called for the 3 sec
- Great recognition and/or communication there...trust me. It was
- and Robin gets in on the act with his own missed dunk
- Ok - so I am starting to think I should be blaming JRich. He is touching the ball but he's not doing anything with it. Either a quick pass or a couple of dribble and nothing
- Just watching the way Grant talked to him during free throws, I think players like Al Horford. I do
- Neither of these teams are playing very hard nor is the crowd cheering very hard nor am I writing very hard. I blame me
- That was good patient offense. Hawks switch Smith on to Nash. He finds Amare in the post. They double him. He kicks it out. Swing pass to JRich for an open three. Miss
- Tie game. Crowd got a tab bit fired up on a no-call but that won't last...everyone is waiting for the fourth quarter to show up
- Nash to the bench with 5 min left in the 3rd quarter? Odd. Very very very odd
- Tom Leander is clean shaven now. He's sitting in front of me
- I would say "nice second effort by Frye" but that sounds so cliche and overused so "very well executed by Channing on the subsequent attempt"
- I love that Goran has a mid-range game already
- Grant Hill is playing like a guy who didn't go to Dallas for the all-star game but instead went to Mexico with his family to get some rest
- Twice the Suns had three pointers just a tick after the clock
- Hawks with 66 points through 3...but the Suns don't play defense.
4th Qtr
- They don't but they are doing ok tonight
- Frye working hard against Horford to deny the entry pass. Like it
- JRich with 2 points. What's the Suns record when he score 2 points?
- Teams combine 4 for 24 from three
- How did Lou block that? I have NO IDEA how he got high enough to get that ball
- Nash still not in. He's not being treated or anything. Just not in. Not playing. Not balling. Not shooting. Not not defending
- Lou w/ the OReb, feet shuffle, no-call, put back!!!
- Frye fighting for rebounds!!!
- ....with Amundson
- Suns up 10! Thanks to bench
- SHOOT THE BALL
- Great pass from Goran to Lou. Lou of course can't finish which is why Goran has no assists but at least Lou got to the line and made 1 or 2
- Suns now up 13! This hustle unit for the Suns is getting it done
- Joe Johnson is still very good
- Suns are just running simple stuff. Taking advantage of mismatches of switches and finding the open man. Playing hard, solid D. Go figure
- WOW! SWEET TOUCH PASS FROM JASON TO LOU!!!!
- Mr. Josh Smith. You can feel free to take jump shots all you want
- Amare and Robin in. Channing and Lou out. No Nash
- Nash back in!
- Jamal Crawford just fouled Robin Lopez to prevent his full court break?
- 9 point game, 2:44 to go. 85-74. A real grinder this one
- Amare doubled in the post does what Amare does best...makes the wrong pass
- Suns keep going to Amare baseline against Josh Smith and you know what...IT IS NOT WORKING
- Hill in for Jason. Gentry leaves Dudley on the floor. Smart decision
- Hawks TOTALLY blow the inbound pass!!! bahhhaawwwaaahhhaaaa
- AND NASH w/ the circus shot at the shot clock!!! Suns up 88-79 w/ 42 sec to go. Jamal at the line
- that's it!! WIN
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hmm did Josh smith say it that way
“Momentum plays will just hurt you wehn you aren’t vlock out and rebounding the basketball. We can’t run unless we block out and rebound.”
Steve Nash plays D!!
Twitter: @PhxSuns86
Kinda weird
Watching NBA TV with Terry Porter as an analyst talking about how good the Sun’s bench is.
Fantastic game!
Solid win against a great team.
I would like to see the defensive effort continue on through out the season. As we all know too well some nights your offense is off, but your defense should always be there for you to make up for it.
That Fropez picture reminds me of Gladiator
“ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!”
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 19, 2010 11:39 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
made by 'kerrsed' from realgm



Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 20, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
“They make take our lives, but they will never take OUAH FREEDOM!!!”
by species8474 on Feb 20, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
This was great, but the bench is making the starters look mediocre.
by species8474 on Feb 19, 2010 11:51 PM MST reply actions
Hill, Lopez and Amare played well. J-Rich was just being his streaky self and Nash just had an off night. Off-nights just happen like tonight, so its a good thing the bench stepped up big time.
I hope Nash sits out. He should not play hurt.
by species8474 on Feb 20, 2010 12:00 AM MST up reply actions
I would like them to do this more often, to establish that they can.
by species8474 on Feb 20, 2010 12:04 AM MST up reply actions
We played, executed, and defended like a San Antonio Spurs team tonight. Nice.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
True but I still prefer the Suns to play like the Suns
The Spurs stole a possible ring from us in 2007
are u on crack?
you want the suns to go back to the old style that didnt win us ne thing cept alot of short comings.
We would have won before the Marion trade if not for Stern
Or do you think we have been playing better after the trade?
by magenta on Feb 20, 2010 1:26 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I wanted to say you can’t steal a possible ring, but considering that it was only round 2, I guess it’s possible.
by species8474 on Feb 20, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
Well, the Spurs eventually went on to dominate the Cavs 4-0 in the Finals.
We had the Spurs on the ropes and had wrested away Home court advantage. It was looking good at that point. Also, don’t forget that we had dominated the Cavs both times we played them in the regular season, going 2-0 against them. Stern DID steal the ring from us !!
I don't think so
I actually think he did not. Why? Because all he cares about is money, and having an SSOL team in the Finals would have brought huge ratings. Did you happen to hear how the ratings in the Cavs-Spurs finals were?—horrible. I think that if Stern had wanted to rig the Suns-Spurs series, he would have rigged it for the potentially bigger moneymaker—the Suns.
by species8474 on Feb 21, 2010 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
i would like them to be able to mix in both when they need to...
tonight they needed to grind it out and they were able to… other nights they need to get it going offensively…. it was nice to win one like this though
by Superelkman on Feb 20, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
I know..
But it’s nice seeing us get a grind-it-out win. We had that little hiccup going into the half but after that we played pretty flawless. Am I the only one really worried about Nash? He looks slow and in a lot of pain. His shots are way off mark and he isn’t getting to the line at all. I think his back is really bothering him. He just looks stiff.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
He needs to sit out a few games, especially back to back
Dragic and Robin need to work on their pick and roll as they are the future, along hopefully with Amare.
But I think our management sort of killed that possibility. Did you read this?
“Suns offer Stoudemire to Rockets
Amar’e Stoudemire
(NBAE/ Getty Images)
On the eve of the trade deadline, the Phoenix Suns told Amar’e Stoudemire(notes) they would likely keep him. They also still tried to trade him.
An NBA source said the Suns made an 11th-hour effort to send the All-Star to the Houston Rockets for forwards Shane Battier(notes) and Luis Scola(notes) and a draft pick. The offer surprised the Rockets, who passed because they were worried about Stoudemire leaving as a free agent this summer.
League sources still expect the Miami Heat to be Stoudemire’s top suitor this summer if he opts out of the final $17.7 million season of his contract."
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2010/2/19/1318602/suns-bench-stuffs-hawks-in
Yes...
and they wanted to skip past the physical….I thought Amare looked very focused…I think he understands business is business…Sarver, Amare, and Amare’s Agent apparently had dinner last night. I don’t how everything but I think it went well.
I don’t want to think about this summer…we just got done with all of these crazy trade rumors for the past month…I either see us signing him to an extension or him walking…we aren’t going to get a sign and trade done.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
+1: It's either way I agree after Kerr tried to double cross Amare, like Marion who was
told he won’t be traded before he was traded. Did I remember that wrongly?
We don't know exactly what Sarver told STAT after the Mavs game
Most reports I read said Sarver said it was “unlikely” Stoudemire would be traded.
We also don’t know exactly how the interaction between Houston and Phoenix went. Not ready to say he was double-crossed.
I don’t think he did, because we’re hearing that Stoudemire isn’t angry…
by species8474 on Feb 20, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
-1: That does not make it untrue becos Amare has keept it professional and civil
And he is a classy player. He has to, to handle fair weather, blame seeking fans like us.
+1 to Seth: Loved this line in your play by play
“Fan just yelled, “Sign the extension” while Amare was at the line…I always take my career advice from the bleacher dwellers."
Btw, I hope there's no more talk about replacing starters when the bench finishes better
Becos Dragic really played better than Nash today, regardless of illness and injury.
Everyone has off days.
I don't think we were saying permanently replace, just givin em extra minutes...
Especially when Nash has back and abdominal injuries and is exhausted or both. I think winning teams have to be willing to trust their bench at times. Our bench is one of our biggest strengths and an advantage we have over most opponents — we should use that advantage. Not suggesting we replace Nash with Dragic…
Hmm Amare got shit when he was benched in the 4th quarter and everyone said he can be replaced
Hmm maybe I remembered wrongly ; >
Lopez could be unstoppable next year
If he develops a little range in his game. Maybe learn the ways of banking like Timmay D.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
Well unstoppable might be a bit much...
I’d settle for a third option and all-star claiber play ala Al Horford…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Definitely a more likely scenario
It all depends on how much the Suns choose to run offense through him. So far, he’s getting a lot more shot attempts and touches than I would have anticipated. They like to run the PNR with him.
No offense to Fropez but...
he doesn’t really seem capable of developing to much more than a PnR finisher, a guy who gets put backs, and maybe a few back to the basket moves… he is good but does seem a little awkward looking out there at times due to his frame
... and his hands
He drops a fair few rebounds and passes. That’s his biggest weakness IMHO. Well, that and fouling a lot, but the fouling is partly experience, whereas the hands are a bit more of a concern.
Staying out of foul
trouble has been his biggest surprise since becoming a starter.
Gentry mentioned this today in fact specifically and I totally agree. He’s only been in foul trouble in one game and a couple of those where horrible calls.
He’s done amazingly well at that for a young player….
You all can say what you want – but this kid has come a LONG way in a short period of time. If you want to put a ceiling on him based on what you’ve seen so far, that’s fine.
But I put more stock in a players ability to get better and his desire to improve. So far, you would be foolish to discount Robin based on those things.
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Feb 20, 2010 7:02 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, Robin has proved that he is no longer a foul machine
He’ll need time to develop more post moves. After all, just look at Howard…
Also...
I was on an ESPN board today with a bunch of Knick Fans…Talk about some ignorant, delusional people. They think next year there going to have a line up of Johnson, Lebron,Bosh,David Lee, Sergio Rodriguez, and that next year when Curry’s contract is up they will sign another max contract in Carmello or Chris Paul…they have no idea about CBA’s or the possible lock out and are already anointing Walsh the Master of GM’s when all he did was come in at the right time when contracts were expiring.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
Oh and that
McGrady would come back for a veterans minimum as well as Harrington and Shaq.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
Stay away from the ESPN boards
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
there are also reports on ESPN that Walsh has invented the time machine
and is going to go back in time and sign Shaq, Jordan, Magic, Jerry West, and Karl Malone in their primes to minimum deals because they all want to play in NYC
by Superelkman on Feb 20, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Good win
Hopefully, the Suns will get a PG from the D-League or something just in case Nash has to be rested for a while
Fantastic win
This was a great game to watch today, some of the best defense ive seen played by the suns. Dragic complements Richardson so well, i have not been a supporter of richardson by a long shot but richardson looks so much more comfortable playing next to dragic.
I luv that dudley will slot into the SF spot so well once hill retires.
We better pay lou his money this off season, that mans hustle is off the charts
Lou
wont want much…His skill set wouldn’t be as appreciated else where as it is here in Phoenix.
When we almost traded for Hickson I flipped….Might as well of started Lou instead in my view. He rebounds better and plays better defense. Maybe a little lacking in the athletic department but he makes up for it in energy, basketball IQ, and heart.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
Lou may not be Josh Smith, but he's not unathlethic
Besides Karl Malone was a super athlete, but he got the job done…ATakes a lot more than out-of-the-gym hops to be a decent PF…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Karl Malone wasn't a super-athlete...
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Let's not go too far overboard...
Lou can get up, But a 80% of what he used to be Amare still can get out the gym…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Not saying no one else on our team is athletic
Just saying Lou and Dragic have the most hops these days.
I disagree...even after the surgeries, Amare still is one of the most athletic PFs
In the game today…Josh Smith and maybe J.J Hickson is about the only ones with more ups…(Yes I considered Chris Bosh…!)
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
wtf
went to sleep at half time woke up and first thing i did was turn comp on to find out the score and saw it at 88-80 thinking stupid internet update the score and nothing happened then i really woke up and was like we won wtf.
intresting TPorter was saying our bench is good love to see that clip.
i think rest nash today and against sac town start dragic and give clark some mins and get steve back(no pun) healthy
Quote of the nite: "That's what u get when u play the Suns!"
I love this quote by Nashty talking about their “stifling” defense!
I need a ring, DAMMIT!!
by Sunny_N_DC on Feb 20, 2010 5:50 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Another good game from Lopez
He’s developing some consistency. And he’s really got some nice little hook shots and spin moves down in the post.
This team
Is just fun to watch. I get a lot of enjoyment out of watching Lopez progress, Lou and Dudz do the little things, Nash making some unbelievable shots (he was hurting tonight, but still dropped that one in the lane with time running out)….the occasional J-Rich flashy pass or dunk and STAT putting in 20 like he was playing with some high schoolers, Hill defying age and Dragic playing so fast I can’t even focus eyes on him .
I really want this team to win games, but for some reason simply watching these individuals do their thing makes me happy.
Oh and I forgot to include Dudley working the reporters….his post game mode is insane, hilarious, and mostly accurate…
Blogging Suns Basketball. Twitter: @willcantrellphx
by Wil Cantrell on Feb 20, 2010 7:54 AM MST up reply actions
well said will!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
wait until they lose the next one 134 - 120 after being up 23 in the 3rd...
they are really fun to watch though but are frustrating at times… it is kinda like a child that shows flashes of greatness but never realizes their potential… they do something good and you are like nice they might be taking that next step but then they ultimately disapoint you again
by Superelkman on Feb 20, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
I was at dinner and when I came back I saw the box score
and I was like “Yay, the game is not over!” haha! 88-80, incredible. Defense! Defense!
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
I actually had the same exact reaction
I missed a decent portion of the second half and when I came back, I thought I’d catch part of the fourth quarter, and I watched the box score for a while but it wasn’t moving. Then I saw “Final” and I was like … wait, what? They won? And no one scored over 90?
charles barkley liked the game
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by species8474 on Feb 20, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
i'm on a horse
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
The next really interesting game is at the end of the month against the Spurs. I predict a win there…
by species8474 on Feb 20, 2010 10:18 AM MST reply actions

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