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Phoenix Suns Daily Links and Poll: Should He' Stay Or Should He' Go Now?

What can Keidi Klum teach us about the Amare Stoudemire trade/not trade situation. via www.ifood.tv

To quote that great philosopher Heidi Klum, "One minute you're in, the next minute you're out."

It's the fans prerogative to be fickle and no one's play induces more pickling than our own Amare Stoudemire. He goes 4 games with 5 rebounds each followed by a 1 rebound, 4th quarter benching performance and he can't be gone fast enough. 

Now we learn that despite his history of powering through rumors and his assurances that he would stay focused on the game, this time the chatter is in his head, "I feel like the confidence in me is not quite there with them for them to want to shop me around so much." 

What better way to get out of your own head than to get out of you own town. Amare goes on the road and puts up big numbers in America's Armpit and the Big Easy. Suddenly, Amare's out of the pickle jar and we can't stand the thought of losing him.

Is there anything more bi-polar in the NBA right now than the Should He' Stay or Should He' Go? question

No, there is not (and no offense to all my bi-polar brothers out there).

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Daily Linkage

Game 48: Hive Live - At The Hive
Overall, we played this team close and closed the deficit to 3 in the closing minute. We just couldn't quite pull it off. Sure, CP probably could have helped close that gap and ice the game, but let me ask you a question: if we're headed to the lottery, is it so bad to let our rookies work out their big stage jitters a bit?*

Hornets' Late Surge Not Enough Against Phoenix - Hornets247.com
As a shooting guard, Marcus did everything expected of him and then some. On defense he was able to completely contain Jason Richardson (1-6, 3 points in 36 minutes), and although only credited for one steal, was a crucial factor in two more.

Suns 109, Hornets 100 -- Three in a row (finally)| Valley of the Suns
The Phoenix Suns won their third consecutive game by defeating the New Orleans Hornets, 109-100.

Suns hold on to beat Hornets
"In all three games, we showed grit," said Suns guard Steve Nash, who played with abdomen and back pain again but is on a three-game run of 39 assists with three turnovers. "That's what we talked a lot about early in the season - the grittiness and depth we needed to win games. It's plain to see in the three games we won. More than anything, it's tiring. It proves you have to go earn it every night."

Basketbawful
Amar''''''e Stoudemire, quote machine: "We did a phenomenal job defensively. It all goes down to our defensive effort. In the past three games we've done a great job with that. We wanted to come out and set the tone early." Reality check: For the season, New Orleans averages 99.9 points on 45 percent shooting. Against Phoenix, the Hornets scored 100 points on 45 percent shooting. I'm not sure "holding a team without its best player to its averages" really qualifies as a "phenomenal job defensively." Oh, wait, we're talking about the Suns. It might actually be phenomenal defense for them.

Suns' Channing Frye selected for 3-point shootout
Frye was chosen to participate in the All-Star Game weekend's 3-point shootout on Feb. 13, a league source confirmed. Frye could be the first center to win the championship. He already is the first center to participate in the 3-point shootout since Seattle's Sam Perkins, a forward-center, did in 1997.

 

Still time to enter and win!!!

 

Amare Stoudemire Trade Contest - Bright Side Of The Sun
Put your fingers where your keystrokes are and win a signed Amare jersey by predicting his trade

Please note:

ESPN ADDS SUNS' FEB. 3 GAME AT DENVER

Will no longer air Suns-Clippers on Feb. 26, game time changed

 PHOENIX - The Phoenix Suns' Feb. 3 road contest against the Denver Nuggets at Pepsi Center has been added by ESPN to the network's national television slate.  As a result, the game's start time has been changed to 8:30 p.m. Phoenix time (10:30 p.m. Eastern).  The matchup will still be televised locally by My45.

Additionally, ESPN will no longer air the Suns' Feb. 26 home game against the LA Clippers.  As a result, the game will now start at 7 p.m. at US Airways Center rather than 8:30 p.m. The game will still be televised locally by FOX Sports Arizona.

 

 

Poll
Assuming the only way Amare will extend and stay in Phoenix is for a max deal (5 or 6 years, ~$100m) and assuming he will opt out this summer if the Suns don't extend him, what would YOU do (WWYD)?
Extend him. He's worth the Max
113 votes
Let him walk for nothing
30 votes
Trade him now for the best deal possible
246 votes
Call Heidi Klum to hold my head while I cry and waffle back and forth
118 votes

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His recent play doesn't change my opinion.

He’s not worth a max contract and he’s too old to rebuild around, so trade him now while he has some value.

by jburning on Feb 2, 2010 9:28 AM MST reply actions  

+1

if anything, his great play the last few games validate what I and many others have been saying for a long long time….and never wavered on…He’s good enough to be a max contract player – talent wise – but will never be consistent or smart enough to deserve it.

I won’t mind being proven wrong, he seems like a good enough guy that if he becomes one of the top 5 players in the league, I’ll be happy to be wrong. But it’s a good bet that he won’t. And for a team with limited budget vs some teams – lakers that can afford so much more, I think we’re wise to rebuild

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 2, 2010 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree

in fact, theworst thing that i think could happen is that Amar’e and the suns play well up to the deadline and convince Kerr and co to stand pat. Obviously if this winning continues its a good thing but if its fools gold and we return to our season average after the deadline and crash out in the first round (or don’t make the playoffs at all) and then we’ll lose amar’e for nothing. Kerr can’t let this next month of play influence his long term plans (if we/amar’e play well or badly) .

by DaveJD on Feb 2, 2010 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Trade him now for the best deal possible

But I really want option 5: “Wait and see if he can continue at this level again.”

It’s really a shame there isn’t more time before the deadline. It’s also a shame he disappeared for so long this year, because then this wouldn’t even be a topic of discussion.

When he says “I feel like the confidence in me is not quite there with them for them to want to shop me around so much” don’t you get the sense that he doesn’t quite understand he controls his own destiny here? If he maintained the same focus and work ethic that the stars he wants to be compared to have, there never would have been any trade talk and he’d have his max deal.

by underxthebridge on Feb 2, 2010 9:29 AM MST reply actions  

We've had over half a decade

To see how well Amare will play. Another 10 games isn’t going to shed any light on things. He’ll have good stretches and he’ll have bad stretches.

by jburning on Feb 2, 2010 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree

That’s why I voted trade him now. Just addressing his recent play as well.

by underxthebridge on Feb 2, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the answer is more complex than your four choices, Mr. Pollack. Don’t trade Stoudemire, because although he’s not worth $20 million, there is no way to know what will be receioved in exchange for him, and even if the players aren’t garbage, who knows whether they will integrate into the chemistry. I personally don’t want to take risks.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 9:46 AM MST reply actions  

there is no answer

that doesn’t involve risk

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by Seth Pollack on Feb 2, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

+1

You resign him to a max contract and he goes down with injury a year or two later? Boom. Kerr is crucified for giving him the contract.

You trade him, bringing in young players with potential, an expiring contract for financial flexibility, and a draft pick or two…and then none of those players pan out? Boom. The trade looks like a horrible idea.

You don’t make any moves, hopes he opts in for his final year, and then you go through the same shenanigans again next year? Boom. The fans cry out in revolt, because that’s just what we do when we don’t know what’s going on with our team.

Boom. Roasted.

Bright Side of the Sun, where Suns basketball never looked so good.

by Trevor Paxton on Feb 2, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Trading him will hurt this franchise. Extending him for max will hurt this franchise.

The unknown at this point is which one will hurt us more.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, I was never foolish enough to blame Steve Kerr for the misfortune of Stoudemire’s injuries.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I blame Amare for that as he did not take care of himself...

… by trying to play through the injury. He injured his eyes twice int he second half of last year’s season.

If he didn’t try to be a hero, we may have made the play-offs last season.

by magenta on Feb 3, 2010 3:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Heidi Klum

knows the right answer…

by SunsFTW on Feb 2, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Mmmmmm

Heidi Klum

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 10:14 AM MST reply actions  

eeeew sick. She is old and used man.

Dumb as dirt and can’t sing to save her life.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

what does singing have anything to do with Heidi? She’s a model. She doesn’t have to sing. All she had to do is look hot… which she in fact does.

Play today, win today, ‘das it.

by noonoo on Feb 2, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

...

She isn’t hot. Not anymore. She attempts to be an actress but it doesn’t work at all. The only thing she has going for her in my book is that she is married to Seal. Stud.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

+1. I didn’t know she sings, but yes, she’s a birdbrain, and there are more tasteful-looking women out there.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 11:03 AM MST reply actions  

LIES!

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't know she sang either

Looked it up on youtube, found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLhd7jEofcg

I didn’t think it was too bad. And on a completely unrelated note, Seal is awesome.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

I hate it when

celebrities decide they want to be musicians. See Crowe, Russell

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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 2, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

guys guys

she was picked b/c of her famous tag line…not b/c of her other…“talents”

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 2, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Okay, I’m sorry for picking on a woman. I’d delete my post if I could.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Instead of trading Amare we should sign him to the max as long as he agrees to take steroids and a masking agent so he can get bigger and be better on the boards and at post defense.

by Superelkman on Feb 2, 2010 11:47 AM MST reply actions  

hey

if he’s going to take steriods…he could play baseball also!

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 2, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

50-50 right now

amar’e does this goes on great stretches don’t know why everybody doesn’t get on nash for bad d and not getting steals as a point it’s always amare so what about the contract with the past injuries and inconsistant play we won;t get much maybe play out the season hope he opts in if he doesn’t he will see no max money for him hopefully come back with the right d mind on the bench he could be a great defender with lopez.

by clinton p on Feb 2, 2010 12:25 PM MST reply actions  

I don’t know about others, but the reason I don’t complain about Nash’s defense (I only express puzzlement at it) is that I know he’s hopeless. He doesn’t have Stoudemire’s youth, energy or athleticism, and therefore has little chance for improvement. Stoudemire has no excuse.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Nash isn't hopeless on defense.

I know he’s bad man-to-man but he’s one of the league leaders in taking charges. AND our gameplan is for Nash to go under screens and for the opposition to beat us “over the top”. Don’t get me wrong he’s no Rondo/Williams on D but in my opinion the 40 points he accounts for every game make up for that.

Amar’e on the other hand is athletic even by NBA standards but either his basketball IQ or effort prohibits him from fulfilling his defensive potential. Thats why i rag on Amar’e not Nash because Amar’e has all the physical tools to be a fantastic defender.

by DaveJD on Feb 2, 2010 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I’ve thought for a while that Stoudemire has a limited basketball IQ. You’re the first person I’ve heard say it.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Amare cannot be a fantastic defender simply becos of the pace the Sun plays

And Amare are among the centres or pfs that plays the most minutes in the NBA.

Except for Kobe and Lebron, nobody can do everything well i.e. Dwight is still poor offensively while excelling defensively.

Please try to be fair, rather than give Nash a free pass in D. For every game, criticise all players in all areas.

by magenta on Feb 3, 2010 3:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Since we are just posting the same things over and over...

I think that we shouldn’t trade Amare for anything less than equal value or close to it. If he walks, he walks. Sure we are out a player but I would rather have the 8 mil that we have to spend on some FA than have to take on contracts that aren’t worth it. If he walks then we hit the FA until we find a decent PF or Center (CAMBY!!!) then wait it out until JRich’s expriring contract becomes enticing enough for a low level team to pull the trigger and give us picks and youth.

I personally dont want to see Tyrus Thomas, Hinrich, Yi, Martin, Thompson, Magette or most any other player teams are willing to give us for Amare. (I would do Iggy/Brand or Iggy/Daly) Its just not worth it especially if they aren’t giving up picks (which none of them are). It might (MIGHT) work out if we could trade Amare and LB to Miami for O’Neal and some other expiring. But only because it take both Amare’s 17.6 mil and Leandro’s 7. 3 mil off the books for FA signing this summer.

Other than that, I say keep him and let him walk. Odds are, he wont and we will be set for next year’s trade deadline when we have both Rich and STATS expiring contract to trade for picks, youth, talent, and whatever else we want.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 12:35 PM MST reply actions  

If we don't extend him I think he'll definitely walk

He’ll want to get a long, secure contract before the next CBA

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly

and he might not get the Max on the open market but whatever he does get this summer will be better than the $17m if he doesn’t opt out and then the next contract on the new CBA

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by Seth Pollack on Feb 2, 2010 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

If the Suns don’t extend Amare, there is a 0.00000000000000000000000000001% chance that he’s a Sun next year.

by SunsFTW on Feb 2, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

See thats what I dont get.

The logic doesn’t fit. Amare (or at least his agent) is trying to get the best deal possible right? Well is no one is biting in the trade sweepstakes then Amare stays the season. Assuming the he decides to walk, how on earth can he expect that someone is going to pay max money before the CBA? And if no one is, then why doesn’t he reup with what the Suns offered him?

It just smacks of bad decision making on his part really. If the Suns wont pay him Max money who will? And if no one will, why doesn’t he just stay? My bet is that if no one shows signs of wanting to pick him up for what he thinks he is worth he will reup with the Suns and try for an extension.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the theory is that more teams will have enough cap space to sign a max player

than there are players deserving of a max contact (LeBron, Wade, debatably Bosh) so second tier guys like STAT, Gay etc will be overpaid because teams who have suffered for years just to get cap space for this sumer will be crucified by their fans if they dont get SOMETHING with all that cap room.

by DaveJD on Feb 2, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting...

Thats a good possibility but I highly doubt a team will pay anything close to max for anything other than the best. In all likelihood Amare will not get a max offer. If he doesn’t then he has two options, sign for lower or stay with PHX. If he signs for lower then he might as well stay in PHX.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

If you look at the ridiculous contracts that Brand, Rashard Lewis, Ben Gordon, Baron Davis, etc. got

I think it’s pretty safe to say that there’s a high likelihood that some team that misses out on tier 1 will offer Amare the max. YMMV of course

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

But cmon...

I mean, sure but they got those contracts in the last year. No one is going to be giving out max’s to anyone that isn’t the centerpiece of a team. Right now, that is Kobe, Lebron, Wade. I don’t even put Howard in that mix because you can’t build a team around him. Maybe Bosh…but I doubt it.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 9:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd build a team around Howard

I’d do it in seattle and we’d be called the Seattle Howards. All the players will either have to be super-happy or super-athletic and they will be coached by Ronald McDonald and Mr Springy.

by DaveJD on Feb 3, 2010 1:18 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s why I’m afraid to trade him. Keeping what you have is safer than trading it for a superior replacement when you don’t know if you can get it.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I think we all Know that Amar’e has to be traded for the best deal possible. I like him, but its time to say goodbye. He’s just not worth all the cash that he thinks he is.

 I’m glad that he’s playing well again because it will get his trade value back up. There are a lot of teams that are interested in Amar’e and we have to understand that Kerr won’t trade him in less he thinks it will make us better. We will get good value back for Amar’e. Have a little faith. Don’t expect anything until the deadline though. I’m guaranteed that Kerr has already heard some offers that he likes, but has put them on hold until the deadline to see if anybody else can give a better offer.

I have a friend who knows a guy with insides sources to the team. (By the way, you don’t have to believe this, but who cares; rumors are fun(if it is). Philly, Houston and Miami are the most likely destinations for Amare as of right now(anything can change by the deadline). Washington and Detroit have recently called about Amar’e. Chicago has pulled out of the Amar’e sweepstakes. SA has been pushing hard for Amar’e. GS is still interested, but Amar’e likely won’t want to go there. New Jersey is still interested as well. New York is not interested. There have been a few rumors about that Orlando and New Orleans have expressed interest in Amar’e. NOT TRUE. They were likely started by some dreamy sports writer. We know they are rumors because the deals included Gortat and Reddick for Amar’e and Peja for Amar’e straight up. Lol, yea right; we might as well just let him walk.

As for the 3 teams interested above. Any discussion with Miami includes Beasley and Oneal as the main pieces. J-Rich and Q-Rich have been discussed in as part of a possible deal as well. I’m not sure whats going on with Houston, but they can give us a good deal. As for Philly; they really want to unload salary. According to them; anybody who is wiling to take Sam can have Iggy. Discussions with Philly involve Iggy, Sam and Speights as well who from what I here doesn’t like the current Coach in Philly.

Well, there you go. Something to throw out there. Rumor or not; enjoy it.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:09 PM MST reply actions  

As for the Philly rumor I mentioned above. Iggy and Sam have been the main pieces in any discussion. Speights, J-Rich and Barbosa most likely have been mentioned as well.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Iggy

would do great for the Suns. IMHO, he’s the best piece we can get for Amare in return. If we can trade a second pick for a first in the deal I would take on Sam’s contract.

by SunsFTW on Feb 2, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Sam’s contract isn’t that bad because we can let him go in the summer. He can also help us out in the mean time. He’s a good defender and rebounder, but can’t score except for layups\dunks and put-backs.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Barbosa or J-Rich would also have to be included as well to make it work. It would take a lot to get Speights from them as well.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Not both just one of them.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

No way.

Maybe only one now….but eventually both. I think if we can trade LB now we should. Save Rich’s nice expiring contract for next year when it looks nice for a crumbling team looking to shed salary.

I know LB has been hurt this season, but the dude has had plenty of chances in my opinion to step up and be an elite 6th man. It hasn’t happened. Too much of a head case. He needs to be traded to a place that will harden him up a bit. Make him start working again.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

+1, but how is Barbosa a head case. I thought a head case would be Nate Robinson.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I dont mean

a headcase for us or the team…like someone who causes problems. I mean a headcase like AK47 or Yi from 2 years back. He is super inconsistent and gets down on himself so easily. He seems psychologically fragile for such a buisness oriented game. I remember last year when the team was having problems with Porter and someone joked to LB that he was being traded. I interviews I read said he lost it emotionally. I mean, I get leaving a place that you love and people that you love but he is too attached to the organization.

Its almost better for LB to be gone. In some other place he can learn how to survive without the team coddling him or making him feel too comfortable.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

How can you call LB a headcase?

he’s probably one of the most likeable guys on the team. As for trading J-rich and LB both their contracts expire in 2011, maybe we could either trade them together for a better player from a team wanting to cut salary or let them expire and go after some star free agent.

by DaveJD on Feb 2, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope.

Go check. LB has a player option for ‘11-12. At which time he will make roughly 7.5 mil. In my estimation, that is too much. LB hasn’t played well enough to earn that since ’05-06.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Not 06/07 when he was sixth man of the year?

He’s been consistently solid for us until this season.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Thats kinda the point.

He has been relatively solid knowing what to expect and getting the same number of minutes but that was a different system. LB gives the team virtually nothing except scoring. He doesn’t play defense well, doesn’t really assist well. Doesn’t rebound. On top of that, he makes poor decisions offensively, slows down the offense (generally) instead of speeding it up, and really only seems comfortable on the floor is Steve is running the show and the spotlight is away from him.

We are headed into a new system with new players and a new philosophy. Junkyard, scrapping, make everything count, leave it all on the floor. Barbose adds nothing of significance to that system that is worth 7 million dollars.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 9:25 PM MST up reply actions  

what N8 said

He’s right that Barbosa is too emotional and not tough enough. If that’s what a head case is, Jason Richardson is something of a head case too. The Suns have had one before: Wesley Person was a good three-point shooter, but he would go cold and we would keep hearing that he had lost his confidence.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

"elite sixth man"

He won the award!

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

We don’t need a starting-quality center, because Robin Lopez is breaking out. I’d take Dalembert but probably trade him later.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll take Dalembert

but theres no way i’m taking Brand with the new 2011 CBA.

by DaveJD on Feb 2, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Not even if the Suns’ expert medical staff rehabbed him?

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 2:12 PM MST up reply actions  

first thing...

is we dont know what will happen with the CBA. It will likely drop average salaries a bit, but you never know and you certainly don’t know by how much.

Second thing: As bad as Brands contract may be, he might be worth it for those few years. By his last year he will be making what Amare makes now and Nash will likely be gone. If we we sign Iggy, keep Dragic and our youth then Brand’s contract will make for a really enticing expiring that year. Plus, we get the added benefit of his expereince and solid play to help our rooks.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I suppose

but why take the risk when we could do it with Dalembert? He expires next season along with J-rich/LB (whoever stays in a philly trade) and we could probably pick up some nice players from teams wanting to dump salary next season.

by DaveJD on Feb 2, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

Love that idea. Yeah sending LB and Amare for Daly and Iggy would be great! Then, like you said, we would have about 26 mil in expirings next year. WOO! Love the sound of that.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Better the devil that you know....

Haven’t seen a deal yet that really brings significant value back. As Seth says, there’s risk either way it goes down. But we have a proven 20/10 (ok, 20/9) All Star that’s still in his prime. I say better to add missing pieces around him and try to contend now.

IF however, we are going to trade him, it can’t be to a team in the West. If you think Amar’e was motivated on this recent road trip, imagine his mindset when he gets to come back and play against us 4-5 times a year.

by FunInTheSun on Feb 2, 2010 1:30 PM MST reply actions  

Yeah....I hope we send him East

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Andre Iguadla( can’t spell his last name which is why everybody calls him Iggy). He’s a swingman who plays good defense and averages 18, 6, 6. He’s 26 years old and is very athletic. Top 5 guard or forward in the NBA.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I wonder whether anyone who can’t spell Iguodala’s name calls him Iguana.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Any team can take him if they take Sam as well. Cleveland has had interest in him too. We could give Philly a better deal though.

I really do think Amar’e will end up in Philly and so does my online sports friend who knows a guy with inside sources.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I am hoping that you are right *crosses fingers....

It might be interesting to try and put Dalembert next to Lopez as a PF. He isn’t much of a scorer but he could do well on the rebounding end and free up some of our board crashers like Hill Duds and Amundson for more offensive roles.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

He would be included, but most likely he would also be the odd man out. If he does well than there is a small chance we keep him. We will most likely move him after the season.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

So all in all its Amar’e for Iggy. Barbosa and Sam are just the throw- ins.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

YES!

I like it. Pull the trigger on this one Kerr. Nothing better IMO.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow, according to ESPN rumors Andre is being talked about in a deal for Amar’e. My friend told me this stuff long before this happened. Perhaps he really does no someone with inside sources, but than again its also pretty obvious. Amar’e and Barbs to Philly for Andre and Sam makes sense.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 1:50 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Why trade Barbosa before the older, more expensive Richardson?

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

because...

Richardson’s contract, while ugly now, will be great next season when it expires and teams will have to be cutting their losses. LB’s on the other hand, goes until 2011-12. Besides that, Rich, while being inconsistent, is still, on the whole, far more productive than LB even when he is playing poorly.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 9:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Thank you, good idea on trade.

by JT65 on Feb 2, 2010 1:36 PM MST reply actions  

Alright so what do you guys prefer?

Amar’e and J-Rich\Barbosa to the 76ers for Iggy and Sam OR Amar’e and J-Rich\Barbosa to the Heat for Beasley and Oneal? Iggy or Beasley? My personal pick is Iggy.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 2:06 PM MST reply actions  

Thats my pick too

Though O’Neal and Beasely wouldn’t work numbers wise. O’Neal makes too much. It would like be someone like O’Neal and Chalmers for LB and Amare. That would work. And I might do that too because that is a TON of money off the books. Enough to sign maybe 2 good FA this summer or one really good one.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

No, it works according to the trade machine.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t understand what’s so great about Beasley. He probably doesn’t defend, and he’s a knucklehead.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Which is why I prefer Iggy.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I want beasley over any other player in an Amar'e trade.

Simply because he’s still on a rookie contract, he’s got oodles of potential and i think we should rebuild and therefore shouldn’t have too many high priced guys. HOWEVER i don’t see Miami pulling the trigger on an Amar’e-Beasley trade so Iggy would be a phenomenal conselation prize.

by DaveJD on Feb 2, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Oddles?

Not really. HAve you watched him play much? Beasley is a good talent to be sure but his ceiling isn’t that high. He has a good shot but has nothing on Amare when is comes to finishing.

Now, I do understand the Rookie contract thing. Its an important piece. Problem is, after that contract is up he will want to make big bucks and if we aren’t willing to take it then we lose out all the time.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea, with Iggy he can’t ask for more cash until he’s 31.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Well he was picked second in the draft for some reason.

When he came in he was compared to Kevin Durant. Now i’m not goin to got that far but it’s obvious already that he’ll soon be able to score from anywhere on the court. He might not finish like STAT but he WILL be better at creating his own shot eventually than Amar’e is now.

by DaveJD on Feb 2, 2010 2:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Beasley is a good player with potential. I just prefer Iggy.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

No doubt he is good.

The question remains, though, if we want to rest our future on him. He isn’t good enough now to make a team so we can’t build around him. If we risk the chance that he becomes great and build around him and then doesn’t becomes great we have wasted a ton of time and resources.

Personally, I dont see him as being promising enough to build around.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

a Project Runway AND a Clash reference all in one post? Well done sir, well done.

Play today, win today, ‘das it.

by noonoo on Feb 2, 2010 2:15 PM MST reply actions  

thanks

I am trying to get my pop reference cred going

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 2, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I doubt the 76ers trade

I like an Iguodala/Dalembert trade, but I’ll bet one of the teams—the Suns or the 76ers—doesn’t like it very much, because if they both liked it, what’s holding them up?

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 2:16 PM MST reply actions  

As I said above. Kerr is likely to hold all deals until the deadline to see if any other team will put out a better offer. Thats how it usually is every year around trade time in less its just a small trade like the Gray for Devin Brown one that already happened.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks, good point.

Trading later rather than sooner has a downside. The later a player is traded, the less time he has to integrate into his new team.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

There is always risks with waiting, but always a chance that a team will get desperate and put out a better offer before its too late.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Frye looks like our president

By the way, if I may digress: I keep thinking that Channing Frye resembles President Obama, for better or worse.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 2:18 PM MST reply actions  

He does kind of look like him now that you mention it.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

crazy idea

The Celtics want to trade Ray Allen because he’s too expensive, and I have an idea that probably wouldn’t happen because the Suns probably won’t pay more money (for Ray Allen) even in the short term (I mean, he’ll be a free agent and they can let him go). What if the Iguodala/Dalembert trade became a three-way trade with the Celtics. They would get Jason Richardson from the Suns and Dalembert from the 76ers, giving them a cheaper shooting guard and a backup for the ailing Kevin Garnett. In exchange, the Suns get Ray Allen from the Celtics and Iguodala from the 76ers. The 76ers get Amare Stoudemire for Iguodala and Dalembert, cutting their payroll and also proving that their front office people is as full of idiots as it was when it traded Charles Barkley to the Suns.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 2:34 PM MST reply actions  

Good

nice stuff. Is Allen’s contract expiring or does he still have time left?

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, it’s expiring. And I forgot to mention that the trade doesn’t quite work for the Celtics unless they trade about another $2 million in salary with Allan. But that’s easy—more or less their entire bench has small contracts.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Not a bad idea but Boston would just cut us out and try to get Iguodala themselves

Or Amare themselves. Makes no sense for them to take on Richardson and Dalembert, the two worst players discussed in the deal.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

That could be true, but Boston is extremely hamstrung by the enormous salaries they paid to get their big three. The only reason they would trade Ray Allen for Jason Richardson in the first place is because they can’t re-sign Allen and need a cheaper replacement. And just about any replacement for Allen will be inferior to him.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

If Boston would agree to do it then I really like it man

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk84kj9

PHX gets Iggy for Amare and Rich for a productive expiring.
BOS gets younger with Rich to replace Allen and Dally to pair with KG
PHI gets two expiring contracts for a massive salary dump.

Nash/Dragon
Shuttlesworth/Studley
Iguodala/Sprite
Frye/The Earl of Clark
Fropez/Sweet Lou/Collins

IR: Captain Barbosa.

Yeaaaaah royyyyyy

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

trades Rich for a productive expiring*

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Shuttlesworth?

Is Shuttlesworth Grant Hill? Why do you call him that?

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Grant Hill is Sprite

Ray Allen is Jesus Shuttlesworth(from “He Got Game”)

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen that, but I have more respect for Allen since he proved himself defensively in the 2008 finals. I used to think he was just a shooter.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I like it too...

we get more consistency with Allen over Rich. We get Iggy which is what we want for the future. Allen could be resigned too after this year if we wanted. The problem is how do we play them all? If we had a glut at G before we are obese at it with this. Iggy could come off the bench…or Allen…but sheesh man.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 2, 2010 9:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting conundrum

1.) If he goes there will be trouble,

2.) if he stays there will be double.

PSN ID- presbot

by presbot on Feb 2, 2010 2:39 PM MST reply actions  

Yes, and fire burn and cauldron bubble.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

also on amare

I think it’s important to note, that if he does leave the Suns, that I think his chances of getting a max contract somewhere else are pretty good, like 75% or better. I think if he hadn’t had those injuries, his chances would even be higher. I agree with Kerr that maybe 2-3 players in the league are worth max contracts…maybe up to 5.
Kobe (sadly)
Lebron
Tim Duncan
Garnett..
D. Howard..

by be-the-ball on Feb 2, 2010 3:51 PM MST reply actions  

Replace Dwight with Chris Paul and I like your list

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

hmmmm.....ok :-)

I forgot paul just because the hornets are struggling, but I agree. Howard is strange…because on one hand…when talking about rebounding and scoring (not shooting…scoring) he is awesome…but he sucks at shooting the 15-18 footer, and still needs to mature mentally. But he is still pretty awesome…he, like Amare might not get better than he is now.

by be-the-ball on Feb 2, 2010 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Dwights only 24

he’s got lots of time to improve.

by DaveJD on Feb 3, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

This season Amare is asking for Gasol's 3-year package

"Stoudemire, 27, has expressed a belief that he is a maximum-contract player. He likely is expecting the Suns to make an offer that would not approach the three-year, $57 million extension that Lakers forward-center Pau Gasol, 29, recently signed."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/01/17/20100117spt-suns-amare-stoudemire-trade.html

Ok, so I know this probably isn’t going to be a popular opinion, and a little uncharacteristic of me as well. Most of us agree that although Amare is (usually) a MAX contract caliber player on offense, he has a ways to go before he can be considered one on defense or in regards to rebounding.

However, the latest news is that Amare just wants the same contract that LA is paying Pau Gasol as their #2 guy…$18, $19, & $19 million over a three year extension, respectively.

Now I know that this isn’t very far off from that MAX contract he’s been so adamant about receiving, but it does raise a point. How many of us would actually take Gasol over Amare?….Honestly.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=981506&start=480

====

Last time i checked, Gasol is a second fiddle nor is Gasol playing as well as Amare, although both players are recovering from injuries.

http://www.ktar.com/?nid=112&sid=1249193

Note that Amare is not asking to be paid like Lebron Or Kobe, so don’t compare him to them.

by magenta on Feb 2, 2010 5:38 PM MST reply actions  

Gasol's overpaid, so that doesn't really make a strong argument for giving Amare a similar extension.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Amare is playing better than Gasol, even though both are recovering from injuries

He played well before the trade rumours and he has since recovered in his last 2 games.

Just wanted to make those 2 points.

by magenta on Feb 2, 2010 9:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude no offense, but judging from your posts you are a serious amar’e homer.

by DaveJD on Feb 3, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

None taken - I'm here to defend him from Nash idolatory who plays the worse D

on this team with the highest turnovers and the most serious health risks.

I just want Nash to be scrutinised as much as Amare, given that this is Nash team and he is the player with the most say over personnel issues i.e. marion for shaw and then shaq for 2 expirings with no picks…

To be honest, Nash is 35 and Amare is 26. Which player do you want to build the franchise?

by magenta on Feb 6, 2010 12:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Suns fans need to be realistic that a player can't provide everything unless he's

Kobe or Lebron.

Read this as people are wondering why Dwight should not do more offensively.

Is Dwight Howard making any progress?
http://dimemag.com/2010/01/is-dwight-howard-making-any-progress/

But so far, Howard’s sixth pro season has been defined by even more offensive mediocrity. Forty-six games in, he’s already had six occasions where he’s scored in single digits, compared to just two single-digit scoring nights out of 102 games (including playoffs) last season. To be fair, foul trouble on the defensive end has played a significant factor in that, but otherwise it’s clear that opponents studied Dwight over the summer and are learning how to defend an arsenal that still appears limited…

On the other hand, maybe Dwight is being asked to do too much. Fans and analysts want superstars to be able to do everything, but if a guy is going to lead the League in rebounding and blocks every year for the next decade, are you really gonna be mad at him for not being an artist on the low-block? Not everybody has Jordan or Oscar DNA: Jason Kidd never got that jumper to be deadly; Steve Nash never learned to lock anybody down; Dennis Rodman never decided to play offense. So if Dwight can get me 14 boards and three blocks and some momentum-changing dunks and that’s all he’s capable of, that’s fine by me…

by magenta on Feb 2, 2010 5:48 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

We don't want "everything"

We want effort on the glass and effort on D. That’s all. Dude doesn’t need to become an amazing passer, an amazing shotblocker….just needs to play with effort.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 2, 2010 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Bill Russell didn’t score that much, but he arguably invented defense, and was the most competitive center ever.

by species8473 on Feb 2, 2010 6:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Nobody can play D and rebound for 30-40 min at the Suns pace

Amare is also one of those who play the most minutes among big man forwards. So please take note of that when criticising his effort…

“It isn’t comparable to look at a specialist like Lou Amundson who in limited minutes puts up gaudy rebounds on a per 40 minute basis. Lou has a great nose for the ball and puts in a ton of effort but I seriously doubt that if he were playing 35+ minutes per game every night that he would be able to sustain it. And let’s not even talk about free throw shooting.”

http://www.ktar.com/?nid=112&sid=1249193

This articles shows that Amare is still improving in D and effort before the trade talks started even though he is also recovering from a serious injury…

by magenta on Feb 2, 2010 9:47 PM MST reply actions  

I would keep Amar’e if he would take the money he deserves. He doesn’t deserve a max.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 2, 2010 10:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Amare is not asking for max. He's asking for Gasol's 3-year "second fiddle" package.

Amare is playing than Gasol this season while both players recover from the injuries.

He is almost as efficient around the rim and in shooting jumpers when compared to Dirk and Bosh this season from the report I supplied in some post.

> > I also think Amare is not worth 100 mil for 5 years. < <

However, Gasol’s 3-year package is a reasonable frame for discussion although we can get him to commit less if we convince him that the Suns needs him to take less as they need to get good players to make t\he play-offs.

by magenta on Feb 2, 2010 10:19 PM MST up reply actions  

You're missing the point.

Gasol is overpaid by a team with unlimited resources. It is NOT reasonable for him to expect that package.

by jburning on Feb 3, 2010 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

You are right about that. The Suns simply cannot afford Amare at 17+ over the next few years. Gasol isn’t really worth that either but thats what happens with teams get greedy…players get greedy.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 3, 2010 5:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Double standards - if he wants Kobe pay, he must play like Kobe.

But if he wants Gasol pay but he plays better, he’s still not worth it…

by magenta on Feb 6, 2010 12:57 AM MST up reply actions  

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