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Phoenix Suns: 5th Worst Ticket Value in the NBA

The Phoenix Suns ranked 5th worst in ticket value. (Photo by Max Simbron)

The Phoenix Suns ranked 5th worst in ticket value. (Photo by Max Simbron)

This was kind of surprising at first until you dig in and consider what's really going on here...

According to a report by the independent and very cool Seat Geek, the Phoenix Suns, at an average face value of $91.70, are the 5th worth ticket value in the NBA. Their formula compares the face value versus resale value versus something they call the theoretical value to come up with their rankings.

 

Rank

Best Value

Worst Value

1

New Orleans Hornets

Los Angeles Lakers

2

San Antonio Spurs

Sacramento Kings

3

Milwaukee Bucks

Boston Celtics

4

Utah Jazz

Chicago Bulls

5

Indiana Pacers

Phoenix Suns

 

You can check out the full report here, along with an explanation of their methodology that includes big fancy words like "multivariate regression" and "price" to justify their findings. Most of you are far smarter than me when it comes to "math" so you can feel free to check it out and put your own stamp of approval or call bullshit as appropriate.

The basic premise makes sense, though. Teams whose tickets prices are higher compared to their availability on the secondary resale market are punished, while teams with lower overall face value do well in the rankings.

Star-divide

For several years, Suns seats were in high demand to the point that waiting lists existed to have the privilege of buying season tickets. Ticket prices naturally rose as demand increased. You can blame Sarver for that if you want, but if you do, you must be an anti-free market commie because we all know that prices increase as demand increases. Econ 101.

Since then, the team's championship window slammed shut when Timmy hit that three-pointer in 2008 and the struggling Arizona housing-driven economy has sharply reduced demand. The Suns first responded by freezing prices in place and this year even announced a decrease in some sections. Demand falls, so do prices. Econ 101.

When you factor in a team that spent two out of the first three months of the season with a losing record (14-18) and it is no wonder that the combination of high ticket face value and poor performance would result in this poor ranking.

It should be noted, of course, that this study was released on February 10th and probably doesn't take into account the impact of the current 9-2 run the team is on.

In related and slightly less interesting news, the Suns have a total attendance of 485,919 through 28 home games which is just a few busloads shy of the league average.

There's a few other interesting things in this Seat Geek report including a look at which stars/teams have the biggest road draw and a look at the top ten games for the remainder of the season based on anticipated ticket resale value.

Seat Geek has an interesting business model...

SeatGeek is a search and forecasting service for sports and concert tickets on the secondary ticket market. The company helps consumers determine the best time to buy and sell tickets based on their patent-pending algorithm that analyzes over 70 different data variables to determine price fluctuations in the ticket market

Based in New York City, my guess is a bunch of Wall Street types turned their analytical skills from stock and commodity markets to ticket resale. Next thing you know, they will be selling derivative futures options on next season's tickets. Buy now before the bubble bursts.

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great article, Seth. I hadn’t heard of SeatGeek before, but I’ll definitely be checking it out regularly now. I was hoping Suns ticket prices for next year would go down slightly for next season, not just a price freeze.

by SunsDynastyXcom on Feb 26, 2010 11:17 AM MST reply actions  

What's missed here...

There doesn’t seem to be much consideration for the product on the floor. Aside from the Spurs and Jazz, that best 5 is a sort of ugly. Is $144 too much for a Laker ticket? Probably, but you’re also getting a perennial championship contending team with arguably 2 of the league’s top 10 players on it (please don’t argue whether or not Pau is top 10 material, just illustrating a point here).

If you were to swap franchises and plant this current Laker roster in Milwaukee, there’s no way those prices would remain a “best value” for long.

Twitter: @MikeLisboa

by Mike Lisboa on Feb 26, 2010 11:24 AM MST reply actions  

I would pay US$ 144

if they allowed me to throw things at players with that yellow jerseys.

by Diego Queiroz on Feb 26, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree

Small market teams get the nod because there are fewer people to fight for tickets. And most of them are “average” at best outside of the Spurs and Jazz as you mention, increasing the availability of tickets and hence driving prices down. Hornets are a good team, but with the N.O. population down after Katrina, you can still get tickets and I think they’ve been smart to keep prices reasonable in a city that until recently was starving for a winner.

 So a team in a big market, and /or a team with at least an above average win-lost record is generally going to be in the worse value category. What’s also not addressed is that the star studed crowd in LA will pay whatever they ask for Laker tickets (probably not so much for Clippers tiks).

by FunInTheSun on Feb 26, 2010 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

And just to clarify

I meant to reply and agree with Lisboa’s post, and not with paying to be able to throw things at the Lakers!

by FunInTheSun on Feb 26, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

How much

is the lowest ticket for a Suns game?

I would give EVERYTHING I own (this computer and my socks) to be in that OKC game. I would jump from the stands and hug JRich hardly! Just saw that game. I had tears in my eyes. I don’t know what part is the most gay from my part (the JRich’s hug or a man almost crying for other men), but I really don’t care.

My plan is to go to a Suns game this year, maybe in the playoffs. I have to take a plan from Brazil to Phoenix, so please don’t tell me the ticket value is that expensive.

by Diego Queiroz on Feb 26, 2010 11:53 AM MST reply actions  

yeah, but only if in a seat near the court

I would only go if my seat were somewhat close to court level. What good is a nosebleed section seat? If I wanted to look up at those big screens on the ceiling, I might as well stay home and watch on television. And if you’d been in the upper level when Richardson made the shot, and wanted to hug him, getting down there from your upper level seat would probably take so long that he’d be in the locker room when you got courtside.

by 8472species on Feb 26, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

just being there is worth it

I’ve sat in seats all over that place. Closer is definitely better, but being in the stands during a good game is better than watching it on TV.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 26, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Is the noise really so loud that you can’t speak to the person next to you?

by 8472species on Feb 26, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

as someone who has season tickets in section 202, and has sat courtside and 4 rows behind the bench, i can tell you that although all are different experiences, each one is “worth” it.

being on the second floor, and not paying way too much for tickets, I can still watch the game and watch plays develop. it’s not too far to feel out of the action. as an aside, 3 years ago i was in the second-to-last row in that section and i’m way happier being those 7 rows closer. ultimately, i’d love to have season tickets in the lower section, but, alas, i think i’ll have to enjoy my suns from a little further.

by ArizonaCactus on Feb 26, 2010 10:33 PM MST up reply actions  

The whole thing is irrelevant; another lame fact based on mind-numbing statistics...

Then again, I love watching the Milwaukee Bucks stink up the place on NBA TV…

"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."

Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...

by Sun God on Feb 26, 2010 12:19 PM MST reply actions  

Less stinking it up lately as they are 29-28...

You can get upper level seats for like 5 bucks some nights and lower level for like 20 at the Bradley Center. Plus they have a promotion of some sort every night.

by Superelkman on Feb 26, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Did they take into account

the quality of our dancers?

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Feb 26, 2010 12:33 PM MST reply actions  

lol

I am not sure that is factored into their proprietary algorithm…but you could ask

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 26, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Quality of seats, quality of food, quality of beer..

And they check to see if the toilet seats are loose and if the mascot has tendencies to to fondle fans…

"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."

Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...

by Sun God on Feb 26, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s no good, if you’re serious. It would seem to claim that US Airways Center serves bad food and drink, and doesn’t have good seats. I wouldn’t know.

by 8472species on Feb 26, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

The toilet seats didn't slide when I sat on them...

Would have to say it was a quality experience….

"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."

Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...

by Sun God on Feb 26, 2010 11:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I started to feel bad...

Until I saw that the Lakers were #1.

They're trying to take my tortillas!

by N-Temp on Feb 26, 2010 2:30 PM MST reply actions  

In that case, you have got to wonder why those people pay the no-doubt-enormous ticket prices just to text heir way through the games.

by 8472species on Feb 26, 2010 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

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