David Thorpe Labels Earl Clark "Biggest Disappointment". We Respond
Earl Clark worked out with Coach David Thorpe at his IMG Academies pre-draft prep clinic this summer and for that reason Thorpe is someone whose insight into Clark carries more weight than most pundits.
I talked to Coach Thorpe during Vegas Summer League about Clark. Like most people, Thorpe spoke highly of Earl's potential but had some reservations about the maturity level. "The guy's a top five talent... if he locks in on a daily effort in practice, there's no way that guy's not gonna play a decent amount and have an impact on that team."
Today in his NBA Rookie Rankings: Midseason awards - ESPN (Insider) column, Thorpe has this to say about Clark whom he labeled as the "Biggest Disappointment" of the draft class:
The downside to upside is people are disappointed when you don't show progress. So it goes with Clark, who oozes with all kinds of basketball talent but has yet to earn anything of importance in Phoenix. Clark played for a tough taskmaster in Rick Pitino at Louisville, and I know from personal experience that the Suns rookie is an excellent listener and a hard worker if singled out and challenged. But in the NBA -- a man's league that does not put up with immaturity -- players must have some level of self-motivation to survive. This is part of Clark's problem. Additionally, Clark needs to take full accountability for what is happening so far (playing less than nine minutes a game) and not blame anyone else. That is the first step towards progress. Then he needs to resolve to work on his game each day. Until those things happen, he will continue to languish and frustrate the Suns and anyone else who knows what he's capable of as a player.
While it may or may not be fair to call Clark the "Biggest Disappointment", there's no question that he's yet to scratch the surface of all that talent.
Thorpe attributes the disappointment to immaturity and work ethic but based on what I've seen and heard from the coaching staff the issue might be a bit...different.
By all accounts and from what I've seen, Earl Clark is working hard. He goes full bore in practice. He stays late to work with the assistant coaches and he is normally not in the locker room after games because he's gone back to the practice court to get some more reps in.
As recently as last week before the current road trip, I talked to both Coach Gentry and Coach Igor Kokosov about Clark's progress and both said that he's coming along fine and just needs more time to adjust to the NBA game. Time that can only come from playing in game situations.
Here's what Gentry said when I asked him to respond to a recent comment from Steve Kerr that it probably wouldn't be until next season before Clark had a big impact for the Suns:
"He's just got to get a feel for the pro game. He's still a young kid. He works really hard and he's doing a good job. We've got to decide where we can play him. Is he going to be a three (small forward) or is he going to try and be a four (power forward). And there's just playing time. Everybody looks at Goran (Dragic) now but last year Goran struggled when he got to get out there some. We've got to try and find minutes for Earl to stick him out there some and I think he'll be fine."
From what I've seen Earl is making progress this season. It seemed like early in the year the plan was to break him down and make sure he was going to work hard to earn his minutes. Gentry would yank him from games immediately after just one mistake which Earl admitted was hard on him, "As a rookie, it's no mistakes. Other guys they'd be able to make mistakes and they can be able to stay out there but rookies, one mistake or two you're out of the game."
Now, Earl is getting more time on the court and being given the opportunity to play through his mistakes. The Suns made him earn that right and he's stepping up.
Clark's biggest problem isn't so much the self-motivation that Thorpe describe but his innate ability to react to a game that is moving at a speed he's just not used to. Add to that the challenge of having to learn both the small and power forward positions and it's no wonder he's slow coming along.
Clark is also playing behind established veterans (Amare and Grant) and a pair of bench players (Dudley and Amundson) who play as hard as anyone in the league and who are far more experienced and comfortable with the NBA game.
None of the guys Earl is playing behind has missed time this season, which is often how a rookie gets an opportunity to step up. Just look what's happening with Collison and Thornton in New Orleans, who wouldn't be playing if Paul was healthy and the team didn't trade away their veteran bench players for salary relief.
There's no question that Clark has more raw skill and talent than either Lou or Jared but the Suns simply can't afford to let Earl move ahead of either of those guys in the rotation and learn on the job the way rookies on other teams can. It's one thing for Serge Ibaka to get consistent time on a young Thunder team without a lot of depth but for a Suns team trying that was trying to make noise in the playoffs it's not so easy.
Now that the Suns expectations have fallen back to earth and Earl's put in the work off-the-court he's being rewarded with more and more playing time and he looks much better on the court. He is no longer lost on defensive rotations and out of position on the offensive end and he's even shown signed in the last few games of being more patient with his shot.
At this point last season most observers would have considered Robin Lopez and Goran Dragic to be "big disappointments" but the Suns coaching staff were patient and followed their plan. This organization has earned the right to develop Earl Clark in the same manner.
If at this point next season we aren't seeing more out of Clark then we can start calling him a disappointment but for now he seems to be right on track.
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Agree 100%.
If Lopez and Dragic hadn’t shown the improvement they have this season, I’d be a lot more wary about the Suns’ plan for Clark. But they proved it can work.
exactly
it was always going to be togh for Clark coming into this season getting minutes. It’s the sheer pace of the NBA sttill that’s the biggest problem for him, but if he adjusts the way RoLo and Dragic have he’ll be fine. Will be interesting to see if he gets more opportunity if any trades are made
The Earl of Clark will make us proud.
I hope.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
So far, Kerr is actually showing himself to be a pretty decent GM
Particularly given the leash he’s on (i.e. working under Sarver).
Ridiculous
The Suns simply can’t afford to let Earl move ahead of either of those guys in the rotation and learn on the job the way rookies on other teams can.
YES
First off, what kind of expectations did Thorpe have of Clark? None of us, not us bloggers, Kerr, Griffin, Gentry, no one thought he’d come in and start and put up great numbers. Clark put up 15ppg his senior season. What could we all expect other than optimistically thinking he could chip in off the bench later on this season and hopefully contribute more significantly next season.
How do you call a guy who averages 4 minutes per game a disappointment? Everyone knew he would be somewhat of a project at the NBA level. And with the talent on this veteran team it would be difficult to get minutes.
If he was projected to be another LBJ/Wade/Rose etc. that’s one thing, but he wasn’t. It’s less then 5% of the draft that comes in, grabs a starting role and makes a serious impact. What ever happened to player development? Lopez and Dragic are great examples of guys who took at least a year to begin "getting it."
Clark’s on a veteran team with playoff aspirations…..Gimmee a break man. Disappointment.
David Thorpe is a disappointment.
In closing, I’m getting tired of the Chad Fords of the world commenting on things they have no knowledge about. I get it, you’re in Hawaii, not Phoenix, you have to rely on your "sources" to put in your column. But these kinds of stories nearly reek of tabloid journalism.
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Eh I understand the job of the ESPN guys.
They’re paid to find drama. It’s what people read. We’re all guilty of focusing on trade rumors and putting 200 comments on a trade post and, conversely, 30 comments on post-game summary.
There's a difference
Between starting the rumors and commenting on them.
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What I'm saying is
They dig up these stories (whether they’re starting the rumor or reporting on a negligible one) because they KNOW people will read them.
You're probably right
But I’m not necessarily ready to admit my guilt.
We only ran with the Ford piece because we knew it to be BS.
We run with the trade rumors to get opinions and thoughts from readers more than we do to justify the rumors.
Perhaps it is a vicious cycle whereby we are all guilty for perpetuating something we (I) don’t necessarily respect, however, part of responding is for our (or my) own personal reasons. With regard to Ford, it worked out in his favor, he got plenty of attention, but I do think his rep may have taken a hit, maybe only in PHX where we noticed it most.
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Thorpe is a bit different
he’s a legit b-ball guy. He worked personally w/ Clark so I respect his opinion.
I just think he’s removed from the situation. Or maybe he’s more plugged in getting more legit info than I am…possible
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Still....
To call Clark a disappointment simply isn’t fair. He hasn’t gotten enough playing time. Call him a work in progress or not NBA ready, etc. but disappointment implies he’s had his chance and didn’t live up to expectations.
If Thorpe knows more about Clark’s potential than our front office and coaching staff, then he probably should be doing something else other than writing.
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well
I don’t know. Maybe some editor at ESPN modified the title to make it more sensational…
anyway – I didn’t agree w/ it which I why I wrote this to begin with. I just try not to bash people’s motives or manhood without knowing the full story.
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I stand by my All-Star prediction
I think Clark will be All-Star material in 3-4 Years. I know I’m not disappointed – we all knew from the beginning (because the FO and Gentry said it) that Clark was going to be sparingly used and would have to earn his time on the court. How can he be a disappointment because he isn’t playing much… if from the beginning it was decided that he wouldn’t play much?
On another note – I wonder if Gentry is following the rookie development model Goran and Lopez experienced… At the beginning of last season Terry Porter would pull Goran and Lopez after they had made a mistake, like Clark says – they were one and done. And then when Gentry took over around this same time last year he started playing them (G&L) more and more… You could tell that those two really began to appreciate their time on the court and their work ethic has been phenomenal (had to use an Amare-ism) ever since and their skills have drastically improved as their comfort levels have increased this year.
I see a similar trend with Clark unfolding – he has been run into the ground to start the season, yanked for making mistakes and reamed out by the staff. Now, as the All-Star break approaches we’ve seen Earl in the game a little more and showing signs that his comfort level is slowly developing. If this is true we could see a ton of him after the break… especially if some kind of trade goes down.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
The first paragraph
You wrote sounded a bit like mine. I was thinking of vehemently disagreeing with you just to see what would happen.
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haha
Yours spawned as I was typing mine – I thought about erasing it but was too lazy. Great minds potentially but not always and sometimes only occasionally think alike i guess
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Or maybe David Thorpe is that uninformed
that immediately the fans can recognize the error in the context he bases his judgment on. Which wouldn’t surprise me one iota.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Man do I respect
Someone whose excuse is “yeah I was gonna do that, but well I couldn’t get off the couch,” or “hitting the backspace button would have been too much.”
One of my favorites I like to use is from Forgetting Sarah Marshall: “Yeah I was going to listen to your mix tape but instead I decided to continue living my life.”
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Haha Russel Brand is effing awesome
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
"I didn't tell you about my having herpes because it wasn't enflamed at the time."
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Roger that
I wasnt expecting Clark to become the big star attraction this year, and I’m trying to figure out why Thorpe was.
Absolutely right Seth, this kid has far too many capable bodies in front of him for him to get any meaningful time.
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
It's strange...
I remember reading a couple reports that EC55 was a double secret dark horse for ROY.
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As is usually the case with ESPN writers...Thorpe is a duschbag.
The only one of them I like is Stein.
Reading is good...
Sp
I believe it’s douchebag..
But props for the use of one of my favorite words
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I think correcting
someone’s spelling of “douchebag” has interesting implications
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without even reading the article
with the development of dragic and lopez, and just hearing that earl was “such a huge disappointment” makes me say, let’s give him another year…look what an extra year did for dragic.
So, hang in there Earl






















