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Why Amare Stoudemire HAS To Opt Out

Amare Stoudemire is known for "saying things". Which isn't to say he's a liar. Far from it. Amare is a guy who likes to talk and doesn't mind telling people what they want to hear. If you are in Washington DC or Atlanta or New York and you ask Amare if he would like to play in your city he's going to say, "sure". He's also going to say he loves Phoenix and would like to stay.

It might seem like these things are inconsistent but as a long time Amare-watcher who's had the chance to talk to him directly on numerous occasions in a variety of circumstances this is all par for the course. Amare talks and says things. Sometimes they are said without full context and can be taken for more than he intends.

Today's comments feel like something else to me. This seems like public posturing as part of the on-going negotiations.

Amare shut down all conversation about trade related matters before leaving town for this road trip last Friday and then today he talks to an out-of-town reporter for AOL Fanhouse and happens to drop this little bomb about leaning towards "opting-in"?

What prompted that?

To paraphrase a theory from John Gambadoro on Sports 620 KTAR, the timing implies that Amare and his agent are trying to send a message to teams like the 76ers, Wizards and maybe the Warriors. Those teams might be interested in Amare for cap relief and be willing to trade for him under the assumption that Amare will opt out this summer.

Amare however, can make more money if the team he's traded to uses it's Bird Rights to sign him to a longer and bigger deal.

In other words, it's in Amare's interest for him NOT to go to a team that WANTS him to opt out. So he talks about not opting out to dissuade those teams from trading for him.

It's a highly Machiavellian theory but one that has a ring of truth.

Or maybe Amare is just talking off the cuff and there's no meaning what-so-ever in what he said today. That also is entirely possible.

Regardless of what he said today, Amare HAS to opt out this summer and here's why:

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1. New deal is more money than final year

Amare will make about $17.7m if he picks up his option. Most people (and I agree) believe that he may not get that much on his next contract on a year to year comparison BUT any deal he signs will be for multiple years and will have a combined guaranteed value that far exceeds that $17.7m.

Just look at some of the deals signed recently: Charlie Villanueva got 5 years, $37.7 million. Paul Gasol got 3 years, $57m.

Amare is looking for a 5 or 6 year deal in the neighborhood of over $100m which puts him in Rashard Lewis/Gilbert Arenas territory. In today's environment teams aren't going to want to give Amare a deal like that but he should be somewhere between $60m and $90m which is FAR more than $17.7m

2. New CBA means he can't wait

Amare might believe that he could pick up his final year at $17.7m and then sign his big contract in the summer of 2011 which in theory would yield him more money. But that's silly because the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires at the end of the 2011 season which would leave Amare without a contract right in the middle of those negotiations. Most people think the new CBA will cut players' salaries by 20% or more.

If Amare doesn't get his deal this summer than he would be giving up the potential to make a lot more money. With the possibility for a hard salary cap in the new deal, a guy like Amare faces making close to $9m in the new structure but if he signs a long term deal now it would likely be grandfathered in.

3. Teams have cap space now

Last summer Carlos Boozer surprised a lot of people by not opting out as expected. This has been held up as an example that Amare might follow. There's a big difference though. Last summer there were very few teams with cap space available to spend on a big name free agent.

This summer - the Summer of LeBron - has been part of teams' plan for years. 7 to 10 teams have spent the last two seasons setting up their payrolls so they would go into this season with a lot of cap space. They've been telling their fans to be patient so they can land that big name guy.

There are only so many big name guys: LeBron, Wade and Dirk head the list but chances are good all three will take the bigger deals that their current teams can offer. That leaves Bosh, Joe Johnson and Amare as the next level of guys. There are more teams with money than big names available and that makes it a seller's market for Amare (and Bosh and Joe).

He might not get the full max deal he wants but this summer is Amare's best chance to get the largest offer he's going to ever see again. He can't pass up this opportunity and he won't.

4. If Amare doesn't opt out the Suns are better off

If for some reason Amare gets horrible advice and losses his mind and doesn't opt out it leaves the Suns in a good position. They get to keep this group together and make a run at making the playoffs. While they likely won't get out of the first round they would still generate a couple of extra million dollars in playoff revenue.

Any trade they make now will likely hurt their chances to achieve that goal. In the short term the Suns benefit from keeping Amare.

Then next year the Suns enter the season with 11 guys under contract at $63m total payroll. They can easily re-sign their only free agent (Amundson) and pick up another minimum contract player like Taylor Griffin and be well under the luxury tax. That will net them another ~$5m as a non-tax paying team and they will have their core group intact during the season ticket sales period.

It would also give them two of the most valuable expiring contracts in the league in Amare's $17.7m and Jason Richardson's $14.4m going into the summer of 2011 when expiring contracts will have HUGE value to teams looking to cut payroll.

Flash forward one year when the Suns have those two expiring deals. They can easily parlay them into draft picks, young talent, and perhaps one nice player who's got a long term deal.  If teams like the Wizards and 76ers are willing to "pay" the Suns for Amare's expiring now what will teams with several long term contracts be willing to pay next year facing the prospect of a lock out followed by a hard cap in the new CBA?

I am sure if Amare committed to staying in Phoenix for the final year of his contract, they would be thrilled. They would be able to make a strong push for the playoffs this season and be perfectly set up for next year.

The problem of course, is that Amare's not going to do that because Amare would be CRAZY to pick up the final year of his contract which means the Suns HAVE to trade him now.

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Interesting read

I wish something would happen already, this waiting is making me crazy!

by AcucracK on Feb 3, 2010 5:01 PM MST reply actions  

Here's my prediction

The Suns trade Amare to the Nets for Cap Space and they sign me for half of a rookie’s salary. We wear the same number and have very similar body structures – heck I even have NBA experience, I came up from the YMCA in 06’ to play the Spurs once. There is only upside to this move – with my replacement of Stoudemire the team will see little change… and if any change is seen it will be positive due to the Screaming Howler Monkey game that I bring to the table every single night. Eat it.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Feb 3, 2010 5:04 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

Don't forget

to say “AND ONE!” no mater what happens when you shoot the ball or drunk.

by AcucracK on Feb 3, 2010 5:37 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

That's what I'm saying in the picture!

Can’t you tell?!

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Feb 3, 2010 11:25 PM MST up reply actions  

As long as they don’t trade Stoudemire to the Nets. The Nets simply can’t give us as good a haul in return as the 76ers.

by species8473 on Feb 3, 2010 8:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Sounds famillar really...

I have been saying this for weeks now. What happens (aside from him opting out from us at the end of the season) we win. This is a win win for us big time.

But, here is why I think you are wrong….
1) Your whole argument above relies on two fundamental principles, a) that Amare will logically want the most money on the longest contract he can get, and b) Amare, despite what he says, is more about the money than team or even championship. I think this is convincing, but not particularly sound reasoning. If we decide NOT to trade Amare and the trade deadline passes here is what happens: Amare and his agent start shopping around for teams that are willing to pay him something close to what he wants —→ one of two things happen, he finds said team, he doesn’t find said team. Assuming he finds the team the point it moot, no sense in talking (I personally don’t think he will find the team/deal he is looking for). Assuming he doesn’t find the team Amare WILL re-up with the Suns partially because he wants the money, but partially because he wants to be in PHX. He will renegotiate his contract for an extension that is lower than what he originally asked for simply because he knows that if he doesn’t try he will be traded by the deadline in what amounts to the biggest expirings unload in Suns history (Rich at 12.4 and STAT at 17.7 = 30+ million in relief, SHAZAAM!). Amare is not stupid and won’t want to be traded to a team that is unloading to get under the tax.

2) You are right in asserting that the CBA will force Amare’s hand but I don’t think it will do it in the way you think it will. Once no teams put out feelers for Amare during the summer, he will be forced to re-evaluate his options going into the next 5-6 years of his career. Amare, while being preoccupied with money, is not stupid. Aside from money he wants a championship. When no team that is a viable contender can pick him up he will start extension talks with the Suns for less money than he wants now simply to stay with the team and avoid getting lowballed even further by the CBA come the summer of 2011.

Whatever the case, the Suns end of golden. We either have 30mil in expirings to use or a less expensive Amare with 12 mil in expirings to use. Either that or we trade him and still end up well. I personally want to see and Amare/LB for Iggy/Daly trade. That’s almost as good as Amare/Rich expirings!

Granted…all my ramblings above are predicated on the fact that no one wants to sign Amare for what he thinks he is worth….guess we will see.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 3, 2010 5:26 PM MST reply actions  

interesting idea

I think the problem is that Amare has to opt out before he can start negotiating with other teams.

I believe (needs confirmation) that he has to opt out by June 30 and the Free Agency period starts on July 1. Until July 1 teams can negotiate with him. To do so is tampering.

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 3, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah...thats adds an interesting wrinkle...

Yeah it seems, at least for my theory, that timing will play a massive role in what happens. If Amare gets scared about his options he is staying. I mean, he has to consider the fact that a team might offer him something by conversation then lower it after he opts out. Unless that team really has a good package to put together for his agent, he might get cold feet. I dont know. I am not around this as much as you are so you have a better feel for it. But my gut tells me that this summer is going to be far less tumultuous that people are expecting.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 3, 2010 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

sorry

didn’t see your tampering comment….

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 3, 2010 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

dates confirmed

He has to “opt out” by June 30th and then free agency negotiation period begins on July 1 with contacts able to be signed around the 8th or 10th (changes each year)

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 3, 2010 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks.

That adds an interesting element to this thing because a lot of it, I think, will come down to Amare’s psychological disposition from the playoffs. Assuming we keep him, if we do well and look like we are building a strong team, he might decide to stay around especially if he doesn’t feel the love from anyone else.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on Feb 3, 2010 6:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't hope that if we have some playoff success Amar'e will definitely want to stay around.

Hedo Turkoglu opted-out last summer despite the Magic making the finals, sure amar’e might not be the same but it shows that all players don’t necessarily see success as something worth sticking around for.

by DaveJD on Feb 4, 2010 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Hedo would have stayed

But Orlando way low-balled him (rightfully so I never liked him anyhow)

And their strategy was to take back a large soon to be expiring contract (2 years with 3rd year team option) in Carter so they could position themselves to trade Carter for another long term deal. They didn’t set themselves up financially to sign any free agent building blocks with Rashard’s ridiculous contract and Dwight’s long term deal. And the fan base liked the Carter deal because it gives them some flexibility (the most flexibility they can have after the Lewis Contract 24 Mil in year 6 wow) they weren’t going to win it with Hedo as option 3.

If the difference in salary is from 5M (what Orlando was offering) and what Hedo now makes (around 10-12) I can see why he left.

In Amare’s situation its just a matter of a couple million dollars gravy on his already huge salary.

by SSOHOWARD on Feb 4, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Dirk...

Isn’t Dirk signed through 2011? I’ve heard countless people say he was in this years free agent class but I’m almost positive he isn’t….

http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/mavs/mavs-news/mavs-con.html#nowitzki

"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley

by TheRza82 on Feb 3, 2010 6:02 PM MST reply actions  

player option

like Amare, he has a player option for 2010/11. His is for $21.5m

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 3, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions  

which bring up

the question – why is Dirk considered a better player than Amare.

Amare is a slightly better rebounder
Amare’s eFG% is 54% compared to 51%
Neither is a great defensive player
Amare scores far more of his points in the paint averages 1.5 more FTA’s per game

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 3, 2010 6:18 PM MST up reply actions  

because he can do more things, and because he's not a slacker..
  • it’s much harder to shutdown Dirk, because he can go inside and outside, with legitimate 3pt range, and he adapts to what the opposition gives him. Has developed his game dramatically over the years.
  • on the defensive end, he actually plays defense most of the time, and not when the fancy takes him.
  • he is his team’s unequivocal go-to guy, and leader. takes charge in crunch time. has developed heart, when previously he was considered a choke artist.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Feb 3, 2010 9:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally agree with you Seth

However Dirk does not shoot 51% he shoots 47% career, which isn’t bad for a volume shooter but nothing close Amare’s.

I have never been a big fan of Dirk’s game, I like him as a person but as a “supposed” leader of his continuously failing Mav’s he provides nothing on the defensive end Amare doesn’t do.

He has better handles than Amare but the only thing he can do that Amare can’t is shoot off balance, back to the basket fade away etc… if Amare could develop that part of his game as well he would be close to the most unstoppable offensive force of all time in the NBA.

by SSOHOWARD on Feb 4, 2010 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Just to add to the debate...

Steve Nash in his NBA Twitterview with fans said this yesterday -

NBA: RT @the_real_nash RT @spreaditaround @NBA Who is the most talented player youve had as a teammate?(my most talented team mate ever is Amare)

Then as a follow up question:

NBA: RT @the_real_nash: @asiftherock Yes, Amare is more talented than Dirk. Dirk is ridiculous but a lot of his game he labored for.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Feb 4, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Let me ask you a simple question..

when push comes to shove, during crunch time in a tight game, of the two, who has the ball in his hands most often?

The answer to that question, is the answer to who is the better player.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Feb 4, 2010 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Not sure

I mean I don’t disagree completely that Dirk is better but the reason why has to be more than Dirk can get a last second shot off.

How many times a year does that come up?
Efficient offense. Rebounding. Defense. Leadership.

Amare wins 2 for sure. Tied on the 3rd and maybe Dirk gets the nod on the 4th although he’s never been a team leader either

Just throwing it out there b/c so many people take it for granted that Dirk > Amare but the numbers don’t back it up

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 4, 2010 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I think a big thing

Is that Dirk is a much better ball handler than Amare. He can create his own shot, which goes a long way in my book.

by jburning on Feb 4, 2010 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Not true, Amare creates half the time, he isn't a post player but other than the pick and roll he can get to the rim if he catches the ball and faces up 15 feet out

The reason Dirk has the ball in his hands in crunch time is because he doesn’t have a Nash on the court with him. If Nash were still in Dallas why would they throw the ball into Dirk to create by himself if Nash can get him a more open look?

Thing is Amare CAN develop that type of game, Dirk CANT develop explosiveness and athleticism.

by SSOHOWARD on Feb 4, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Dirk has Jason Kidd..

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Feb 4, 2010 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

You do realise Kidd is the #2 all time assists leader

the only player other than Stockton & Mark Jackson with 10K+ assists, and basically the prototype to the modern passing pg. Without Kidd, there’s no Nash or Chris Paul, as we know them.

Furthemore, he’s averaging 9.3 assists & 8.3 points a game, so I’d say his focus is still on creating.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Feb 4, 2010 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

oh Seth, c'mon.. *you* should know better..

It’s not about who can get a last minute shot, or even about numbers.

It’s about who is the most reliable offensive option, in that situation. It’s about who will fight the hardest for the win, and who is trusted more in that situation to make something happen.

Give the ball to each guy, with say 10 seconds on the clock, and 99% of the time Amare will try to go to the hole, and win the game by himself.

Dirk, otoh, will evaluate the sitch, and pass/set screens if that’s what’s needed. that makes him better.

which brings me to a point I had about this whole trade business. at the end of the day it’s not about Amare’s individual 20 & 10, or whatever stats… it’s about how the team plays when he’s on the floor, and whether he makes the team better or gets in the way.

The amazing thing about the Dallas win, from what I caught, was just how much tighter everything became when Amare sat in the 4th. It was night and day. And bear in mind we played like that, in November, with Amare on the floor. So it’s not like he’s not capable. he’s just unreliable.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Feb 4, 2010 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Do you remember Dirk a few years ago?

He was that same kid, trying to win the game himself, he is 31 or 32 now of course he has matured, it took until last season for Kobe to mature enough to do the same thing…

by SSOHOWARD on Feb 4, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks

I think that’s the answer I was looking for. Dirk is the better play despite the stats and I think this is why. He just fits better with his team and makes them better.

I think it was you that said, early in the season while Amare was still recovering physically he was doing a better job of this but then once his bounce came back he reverted back to “old Amare”.

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 4, 2010 6:48 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s a waste of time in most respects to compare Amare Stoudemire to Charles Broccoli as players, but comparing their personalities interests me. They both think a lot of themselves, and are always talking. But while Broccoli was an arrogant S.O.B, Stoudemire does not seem particularly arrogant, merely egotistical. As for talking, Broccoli often said what he meant, while Stoudemire’s M.O. is to blow smoke.

by species8473 on Feb 3, 2010 6:34 PM MST reply actions  

While I agree that this is posturing by Amare,

and that he has to opt out, there is some other interesting stuff he says in this interview that nobody has really noticed-how he seems to be softening his stance on a max contract. By saying he doesn’t believe the Suns give out max contracts, and that he expects an offer soon, etc., he’s definitely leaving the door open to some sort of resolution with the Suns that doesn’t involve a max deal..let’s hope, b/c anyone who thinks we would get even close to equal value is kidding themselves.

by jma67 on Feb 4, 2010 7:43 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

+1

It would be a dream come true if Amare softened his current aspirations of “MAX” money… though I like MAX CONTRACT AMARE. :)

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Feb 4, 2010 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Amare says what he's feeling at the moment

Sometimes, we give him crap for it — e.g., “I don’t know why the team’s not motivated. Ask the captains. I’m not a captain anymore.” Sometimes, we rally behind him — e.g., “They’re a dirty team.”

I know you’ve talked him more than I have (once would be more), but I’ve never seen anything near T.O-type posturing.

He also believes what he says when he says things. Then he says something contrary a few months later — e.g., praise of Terry Porter and then a lack of support (at least he didn’t Nash Porter in the back, though).

It’s not much more than asking a question of him, getting his answer based on his current feelings, and that statement being typed and over-analyzed. It is difficult to exist when nearly every feeling or thought you ever had was turned into the type-written word.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 4, 2010 8:09 AM MST reply actions  

+1

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Feb 4, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

totally possible

but this one “feels” different given the entire scope of the situation

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on Feb 4, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Why would Amare opt in to play another year in a city he doesn't want to play in and for a team he doesn't want to play for?

If the Suns and 76ers did their trade regardless, do we really think Amare would say “Well I’m going to decline my option and stay here for another season, even though i didn’t even want to be here for a third of a season.”

by jburning on Feb 5, 2010 9:58 AM MST reply actions  

Yea I agree. I think the thing thats keeping a 76ers deal from happening is that they don’t want J_Rich’s contract. I’m not sure if our front office is wiling to switch Barbosa for him.

by Beavis 25 on Feb 5, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I have to take issue with a couple of things you said Seth...

Namely:

While they likely won’t get out of the first round (.)

by Jack Frost on Feb 12, 2010 10:59 PM MST reply actions  

Sorry, didn't finish that thought -- accidental post.

Here are my issues with your post Seth.

About the Suns you said :


While they likely won’t get out of the first round (.)

What makes you say that?

I have every reason to believe this team is capable of getting the 3 or 4 in the West. As such we would have home court advantage. You don’t think we could win a series against Oklahoma City or Utah or even San Antonio when we head home court advantage? I sure do.

In addition, you also said that they (the Suns) would, if they kept Amare ,

…make a run at the playoffs…

You make it sound like they would have to struggle and scrape to scratch out the 7th or 8th seed. Did you happen to notice that we just beat the Nuggets in Denver (and would have beaten them the earlier contest there if we hadn’t been robbed by the refs) and beat the dreaded Lakers back in January? Granted, this team still has some growing to do and is still aggravatingly inconsistent. Nonetheless, I don’t think you are giving the Suns enough credit for the team they are capable of being, and which we’ve seen for chunks of time this season, when they are playing hard, and together as a team. It is Gentry’s job to see to it that they play this way every night, or at least damn close to every night.

If they do that then they are certainly capable of winning a playoff series. In fact, I think they are capable of more than that.

by Jack Frost on Feb 12, 2010 11:10 PM MST reply actions  

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