Daily Links: Where Amare Wants More Love
Oh, Amare. You really don't make it easy on yourself do you? Are you overshadowed by the greatest player of his (your) generation? Yup. Are you even close to his level of "star" based on your all-around game? Nope.
Pulling out the "I was rookie of the year out of high school" card really isn't going to change that and frankly, isn't all that appealing to your fans.
Stoudemire Believes He's Overlooked in NBA History -- NBA FanHouse
Amar'e Stoudemire is 6-foot-10, 250 pounds. But he says he's overlooked. In NBA history, that is. The Phoenix Suns forward sees how Cleveland's
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Though the Suns' asking price was apparently too high for the Nets, there is still a chance for a move before the deadline, especially since the Nets have as much to offer as any team - draft picks, expiring contracts and young talent. But if Stoudemire makes it clear he intends to stay in Phoenix, the likelihood of the Nets acquiring him becomes small.
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That montreal gazette article is interesting
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I dont know...
I wasn’t aware that Amare was rookie of the year out of high school. Interesting stuff IMO. Does that make me like him more or appreciate him more? Not necessarily. But it does make me value his loyalty to this team all the more.
Reading is good...
It's just stupid to complain about being overshadowed by LeBron.
Uh yeah, Amare … he’s the best basketball player since Michael Jordan. Sorry, guy.
one more reason to get rid of amare
I still think anyone who ever backed the idea of our suns team being centered around amare owe this forum an apology. Amare couldn’t run a redbox
a little mean but just so frustrated
because when amare is on, he is awesome. It’s a sad thing that he isn’t consistent. It has nothing to do with basketball and everything to do with hunger, desire, and heart. Not saying Amare doesn’t have those, of course he does, just not on the level the great players have it.
Wow I did not know this
“In the past, whenever the Suns found themselves in a bind, they worked out of it. Quickly. They’re the fourth-winningest team in NBA history and never had a lengthy bad stretch. In their last 21 seasons, they’ve had just four losing ones.”
Hey I’m a sixer fan, we suck too
But here’s the question I have – would you rather have that kind of consistency or maybe a few years where you stunk but won a title?
by jemagee on Feb 5, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
I’d prefer a championship every once in a while – or a finals appearance
by jemagee on Feb 5, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
well, we’ve had a couple of pretty epic finals appearances, but i would trade 4-5 years of being a lottery team instead of being the 7th or 8th seed for a championship
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Feb 5, 2010 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
How good/bad were the suns when Amare won rookie of the year – it’s a cracked award that doesn’t always go to the best player in a draft but the guy who puts up the biggest numbers…so what?
by jemagee on Feb 5, 2010 11:36 AM MST reply actions
yep
simple statement here says it all…Amare is all about recognition and awards, Nash isn’t. I think it’s ok to be excited to win, even to work toward an award as a goal of achievement. But to carry around the thought in your head of “how good you are vs others” because of how many points you score or awards you win in misguided.
He Speaketh the Truth
But LBJ has been anoited the KING of the NBA! Hell, Kobe, Wade, and definitely Melo are all in his shadow so it shouldn’t come as a surprise to STAT. LBJ has surpassed just being a great high schooler-to NBA story…he’s seen as just great, PERIOD!
I need a ring, DAMMIT!!
The fact that he is great might have something to do with it, the fact that he’s been farther in the playoffs in his career than Amare has in his might have something to do with – the fact that he does it with mostly mid tier players may have something to do with it where Amare has always had what was seen as ‘upper level’ players with him, at least one or two
It might also have something to do with the fact that he doesn’t play defense, nor do the suns ask him to.
Greatness is judged by playoff success…Amare hasn’t even made the finals..
by jemagee on Feb 5, 2010 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
Greatness is judged by playoff success…Amare hasn’t even made the finals..
Whatever! LBJ was considered great before his 1st game in the NBA! James is a one-of-a-kind phenom that transcends any sort of formula to success that most may have to follow. Playoff success would add to Amar’e’s popularity, but as long as Nash is there he’ll always play 2nd fiddle (which is fine by me b/c I think 13 makes everyone on the court w/ him better) no matter if they went to the Finals or not.
I need a ring, DAMMIT!!
LeBron James? Ugh…he has at least as much ego as Stoudemire, and probably even more obsession with money. At least there have been a few NBA champions with class (Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, A.C. Green, and probably Tim Duncan).
AC Green represent!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
yeah...
i agree on lbj and the ego comment…but…Lebron has a few things that amare simply doesn’t have.
1. (most importantly) Lebron cares about getting his teammates involved, amare doesn’t (at least not on the same level)
2. Lebron is stronger than hell, Amare is more of a finesse player
3. Lebron plays defense consistently, Amare doesn’t
4. Lebron is a ball handler, Amare isn’t
5. King James is a much better nickname than STAT…STAT makes me think of the e.r. or something….it’s just plain dumb…even worse that Amare nicknamed himself
6. list goes on…
Injury history tends to factor in to ‘greatness’ as well usually…i mean heck the NBA gives out an award for most minutes played in a season (only known about this because ANdre Iguodala won last year and put the damn thing up on his twitter page)
by jemagee on Feb 5, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
1- James is a point-forward, so he should get his teammates involved. He and Amar’e play different roles, I don’t think anyone expects him to avg 5-6 dimes/gm.
2- Amar’e isn’t a true post player, but he’s far from finesse. LBJ is a freak of nature…a PF body w/ G skills so he can be a l’il more physical being as he’s matched up against smaller players nightly.
3- Can’t argue that fact. This is why STAT doesn’t deserve MAX $$$
4- see #1
5- LMAO…good point
For the record, I don’t think STAT deserves to be mentioned w/ the LBJ’s of the league. He’s not on their level, IMO…
I need a ring, DAMMIT!!
yeah...
thinking more about my finesse comment…all i have to do is think about some of amare’s dunks to realize that wasn’t the best choice of words from me haha!! I’ll miss his dunks if he leaves!
Post up was what I was looking for
+1
doesn’t hurt that lebron has a great chance at getting back into the finals and even winning it this year. Says everything to me. And he’s doing it with a team with less talent than l.a. or ….(was going to add orlando in here….not going to)
Amare
Is an enigma….I don’t know what goes on in that guy’s head. He should just learn to stop talking so much, maybe pump the breaks sometimes.
Part of being a likeable human being is knowing your limits. That is, understanding who you are and not walking around thinking you are better than you are. For Amare to consider himself max worthy as a negotiation tool is one thing, but to actually believe it’s true is living in delusion. In fact is nearly sociopathic.
Here’s his latest tweet to keep us all scratching our heads:
Let thy mind b upon the ordinances of Yah and meditate continually n his commandmnts…ecclesiastcus 6:37 Purify me O Yah Purify me O Yah
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 5, 2010 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Stoudemire is okay...
I’m not prepared to even think there is anything truly sociopathic about Stoudemire. He obviously has a large ego, and doesn’t know or doesn’t accept his own limitations, and I don’t think he’s very thoughtful; but I have no evidence that he’s generally not a nice person. Which I certainly suspect about LeBron James.
hmmm
yeah…I agree…Amare does appear to be a nice person by all accounts. Not sure about Lebron…jury’s out for me on that one. I did like him in the movie – “more than a game” which was more of a bibliography style movie than a “movie”
I strongly recommend people here to check it out
Amare...Amare...Amare...
You just don’t realize how stupid this makes you look…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
HEY GUYS!!
I think we’re all missing the point. The point is, Amare’s restaurant failed…I wonder if majerle ever walks up to Amare in a huddle and says, "hey, I know this great place that is ""STILL OPEN" for food, wanna go eat after the game?"
it's a place (been to both multiple times)
that (majerle’s) doesn’t pretend to be better than it is. It simply has a ton of tvs to watch the game and good food. At least I like the patty melt.
Just added a poll
asking how much YOU would offer Amare..
Word on the old Real GM page is this:
Suns are going to make an offer by Monday here on an extension. Won’t be max but will be above the Aldridge deal moneywise. Whatever that means.
LMA got 5yr / $65m which I believe was the max for a player on his first free agent contract. Amare’s max would be a lot more…
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in fact
if anyone has time today – I would be curious to figure what exactly the max for Amare would be.
You’d have to pick apart the CBA over at CBA FAQ
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 5, 2010 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
assuming he opts out, amare would earn at least, $17,197,242 next year, as the first year of his new contract must be a least 105 % of the last year of his old one. (im assuming his player option wouldnt count as his last year, since he wasnt actually paid.) he will have 8 years of service time at the end of the year, so he can ask for up to 30% of the salary cap. (i assume they mean the actual cap, not the luxury tax line). this is pretty old, but espn guesses the cap will be around 50-53 million for the 2010-2011 season. this would mean amare’s max would be between $15 million and $16 million. the 105% rule trumps the leaguewide maximum rule however, so it appears that a max contract for amare next year would be $17,197,242. it says there are restrictions on how big raises can be from year to year, but it doesnt give specifics.
ESSENTIALLY:
$17,197,242 next year for a max contract is as much as i can piece together from that.
Banzai!
thanks
and then it can increase 10% per year after that right? So by year 5 he’s making $25m.
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not sure about the 10%
this is from 2005 CBA:
The permissible year-to-year increases in multi-year player contracts are as follows:
* Bird and Early Bird Contracts may increase by up to 10.5% of year-one salary (down from 12.5%).
* Other contracts may increase by up to 8% of year-one salary (down from 10%).
no wonder it takes them so long to agree to contracts :)
Banzai!
Holy jebus.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
In other words
if he got the full 6 yrs / 10.5% annual increases (that’s max) his total contract would be over $136m
Is there any universe that Amare is “worth” that?
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I believe you are using the literary device of sarcasm
Am I correct?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
That's like $23M a year.
Um.
Whoa.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Good News...
I think this is a good start to working out some sort of a deal…I just believe that even with the negatives Amare has, the Suns would not be getting a fair market return on him..Better to keep your ride and know whats wrong than to get someone else’s with problems you got to figure out as you go along…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
by Daryl Ray on Feb 5, 2010 12:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I think a deal that is win-win for both sides is doable. We can’t just dump him for a bunch of D-league guys just so we get something. And I think Amar’e does want to win, and would rather stay in Phx with the core guys we have here to make another run. Regarding some posts as to Amar’e’s comments, I think part of the reason he might feel the need to talk about himself is because so many of the posts here are negative and slam him for what he can’t do. It’s human nature at some point to feel the need to defend yourself and remind people of what you have done and what you are doing. You’re kidding yourself if you say that we’d have had the run we did from 2003-2008 without Amar’e. And yes we also needed Nash and Marion…but the combo of Amar’e and Nash were the key to those teams.
I think the team that has played the last 4 games is a team that no one would want to face in the playoffs. If we can continue to get contributions at the SG, and can play D, rebound and at least stay at or below our TO avg, I like this team’s chances in the playoffs this year, and to be able to really contend next year with out a lot of need to change anything…just time to develop the synergy we need.
These comments
by Amare just make you scratch your freaking head. LeBron is a freak of nature, you take him off that Cav’s team they would have a tough time making the playoffs in a horrible Eastern Conference. Amare doesn’t have that type of impact.
Stroking the old ego. Just worry about your game Amare, win in Phoenix, step up like you did in Denver the other night every night, and maybe you will be considered a star in this league.
Yep
step up like you did in Denver the other night every night, and maybe you will be considered a star in this league.
I don’t expect the numbers every time he steps out on the floor, but I do expect the effort. And it just isn’t there consistently.
Everyone has off nights, it’s OK, but there have been too many games where the guy just isn’t there mentally. Where he goes is anyone’s guess.
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Blame it on...
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for things between mid-Jan and now because of the uncertainty due to the trade soap opera. I think the entire team has had moments like that. Hoping he and the team can continue to bring the effort we’ve seen the last 4 games. But we also have to give credit to Gentry, both for talking to Amar’e and for the changes he’s made in the lineup and rotation.
Time to wrap it up
4 yrs / $60M call it a day, everybody wins

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