Super Bowl Weekend Links: All's Quiet On The Western (Trade) Front
Ho hum. Five wins in a row. Four game road winning streak. 5th place in the west. Defense. Rebounding. Spirit and spunk.
Will the real Phoenix Suns, please stand up.
That by the way was a cultural reference dating back to a kinder, gentler time when men were men pretending to be other men for fun.
This sure has been a funky season. A real roller coaster ride if you will. I didn't think the team was as good as its 14-3 start or as bad as its 14-18 December and January.
Although I did giggle when Grant Hill talked post game last night about getting out of the "slump". When you are a sub-.500 team for 2/3's of the season, that's not a slump. That's a suck. The Suns were playing like suck and now for the last five games they are not playing like suck. That does not constitutes either a slump or a slump busted.
Lets not forget that the Mavs are slumping and just lost to the Wolves. The Rockets are a scrappy team but beating them isn't exactly a major accomplishment. The Hornets without Paul is a solid win as is the Nuggets without Melo but both of those games were very winnable and then there's the Kings. Enough said about them other than to say that Nash has absolutely OWNED Tyreke Evans which is simply a fact that can't be repeated often enough and probably won't be repeated again next year.
We now will wait three full days before the next game against the Trailblazers who will be without Brandon Roy (or Oden, Pryzbilla or Outlaw) but do have Nic Batum back who should do a great job locking up Grant Hill and Earl Clark? Rudy vs Goran will be fun to watch. Amare vs Aldridge is always a treat. But the match-up I am most looking forward to is Robin vs Juwan Howard. If Robin isn't spending the next three days licking his lips waiting for this feast then he's not nearly the psycho machine we think he is.
Then comes more days off followed by one of the easier post-all-star schedules in the West. Plenty of time off. A home heavy schedule. And only one game against an "elite" team. It should all be down hill from here except for...
Le' Sag'a Amar'e
Will he. Won't he. Who the hell knows but until he either agrees to an extension, is traded, or the deadline passes this team is as firm as a piece of pineapple trapped in a lime green jello mold placed on a washing machine on spin cycle.
Fortunately, there's only four more game before now and the deadline but for the next two weeks be prepared to get your jiggle on.
Have a happy and safe Super Bowl Sunday. Here's to plenty of beer, pizza, chips and wings...Suns practice tomorrow. I'll be there.
Oh, and it is Steve Nash's 36th birthday tomorrow to raise a glass to him. Just don't try and light birthday candles for him. We don't want anyone's house to burn down.
- No Amore for Amare - Blazersedge
Maybe I'm old-school, but I'm so sick of hearing this from today's players. There are two situations in which it's legitimate to employ that phrase. If you're LeBron James or Kobe Bryant, clearly the best of the best in this league, and your team has utterly failed to build around you for years then I can buy in. Alternately if you're a franchise player pushing 40 who has never won it all and you have something to give as a role player that would be valuable to a contender but doesn't help your current team much then I'm OK with the request. You've given your prime and years of sweat and devotion to a franchise. They can do something back for you. But outside of those two situations "I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser." Here's a guess: If Amare Stoudemire used his athletic prowess to play defense anywhere above the level of a Jell-o Pudding Snack Pack he'd already be on a contender - A Brief History of the Orlando Magic's Blown Leads This Season - Orlando Pinstriped Post
The Magic are a great defensive team and they've blown a lot of big leads this season. What do you make of that? huh? well? - Conversation and Talk With Daryl Morey - The Dream Shake
Dreamshake conversation with Rockets GM Daryl Morey - The Long, Depressing NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement Fight Begins - SB Nation
Well then. Something tells me the Players Association won't be too keen on these conditions. This is only a first proposal, but let's just say that things are not off to a good start if you're an NBA fan worried about an impending lockout. - Twitter / Kelly Dwyer: RT @WojYahooNBA: Asked hig ...
RT @WojYahooNBA: Asked high-level team exec. about actual docu of NBA's proposal to union. "It's just a photocopy of Stern's middle finger." - KTAR.com - Suns Spotted Around The League
Sports 620 KTAR's John Gambadoro believes the Suns will sit down with Amare Stoudemire and his agent next week to begin discussions on a possible contract extension. The extension would be more than $10M per year. The Suns are not interested in giving Stoudemire a max deal and want to see if he would consider an extension of this sort. Yes, that would mean Stoudemire would agree to a pay cut, as he makes more than $16M this season and has a $17.7M option for next season. With that said, the Suns' offer is likely to be in the $11-14M range. - Suns' Robin Lopez - Channing Frye combination works at center
With Robin Lopez starting at center the past 10 games and Channing Frye becoming his backup, the Suns' new center tandem look has averaged 24.8 points, 10.4 rebounds and 2.1 blocks. It has become part of the reason the Suns are playing their best basketball of the season, with their first four-game winning streak since November and first one against all winning teams since the 17-win streak of 2006-07.
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Quiet...for now..!
Methinks that when STAT gets a load of the lowball offer that Kerr an Sarver are concocting, I think the trade talk ramps to a fevered pitch. I really, really wish that they would bite the bullet and roll out a 4 year 66 million offer and get this done.
Unfortunately, from what I am hearing it is going to be in the 3 year, 37 million range…Just enough for STAT and his agent to laugh uncontrollably as they are getting up from the table…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
There’s no way they give that offer these are intelligent professionals. I’d have little respect left for this organization if they made that move and totally belittled Amare.
Believe me, I hope I am wrong....!
I hope I am off-base and the stuff I have been reading and hearing is way off….I would love the suns management to find a way to keep him…Unfortunately, short of kidnapping, I don’t think it is going to happen…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Id like to know what you're reading
I believe that if that were Kerr’s plan of action (to give him 10-12) million, he wouldn’t be telling anyone, there is no reason to let that stuff get out in the media. There’s no reason to completely insult a player who’s done a ton for this franchise. After we drafted Amare we became relevant as a competitive team again, they wouldn’t insult the kid like that. I think the info you got was from Gambo am I correct? I don’t see him being a reliable source, (or even a relevant voice in Phoenix sports media).
Partly from Gambo
But it kinda corroborates the other threads I’ve read….
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I reckon a 4-5 year deal starting at about 14mil is fair for amar'e
If they only offer 10million per then that shows they don’t want amar’e to stay long term. Lamarcus Aldridge got $55million over 5 years and STAT definitely deserves more than that.
Whatever happens, i can see it happening between the Blazers game and the end of the all-star break. Kerr and co probably already know what they want to do and i bet they’ll see all those consecutive days off as time to integrate a new player.
Marc Stein
reporting that a trade with Phili for Igoudala and Dalembert + other piece for Amare and JRich is most likely trade scenario as of this weekend …
"The mustard is off the hot dog!"
I don't think it's Speights///
It’s been reported it may be Willie Green or Jason Kapono…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Kapono's $6 mil expiring does seem like it would be attractive to Sarver
I really hope it’s Speights but I don’t see why Philly would get rid of such cheap talent
by hcblankscreen on Feb 6, 2010 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
Young/Speights/1st rounder/ Carney
All pieces i’d like if we could get. The first 3 for obvious reasons, Carney because he’s a guy with potential who never panned out his contract expires at the end of the season so we could take a free look at him.
I am not sure this happens this weekend...
First , STAT and agent have a face to face with Kerr & co….
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
if keeping Stoudemire, the 76ers would keep Dalembert
In his post, Magenta claims that the 76ers actually would keep Stoudemire, not let him go, and would want to know he would re-sign. (It must be in the last thread, because it’s not in this one.) If that’s true, then it changes whom the 76ers would give up. They would want to keep Dalembert, to pair him with the less defensively-oriented Stoudemire, and they would obviously want to trade the Suns Elton Brand. Maybe he doesn’t belong on the Suns, but neither does Dalembert.
This is still unappealing...
How do we get better if Brand is in a Suns uniform???
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I don’t know, because I have never really seen Elton Brand play (the only time we would have seen much of him recently is in the 2006 Clippers series, and wasn’t he injured then?); but I don’t think the Suns would get better with Dalembert in a Suns uniform either. Dalembert plays Robin Lopez’s position, and Lopez does not deserve to be benched. If Dalembert pretended he was a PF and played Stoudemire’s position, the Suns would have two starting big men who rebound and block shots but don’t score. If Elton Brand came to Phoenix, he at least would be playing the correct position and would push Lopez aside. In short, Brand would be less inappropriate on the Suns than Dalembert.
Suns have to take whoever 76ers want to trade
Also, my original point was more that if they wanted to keep Stoudemire, the 76ers would want to trade Brand, not Dalembert, whether the Suns wanted Brand or not. If so, the Suns might have to accept Brand to get Andre Iguodala.
There's no way that happens.
Suns might as well keep STAT if they are going to pay Brand that much moolah! I dont see it happening, Suns management is not that dumb, to try to save a couple million bux in accepting to take on Brand’s contract which would be only a little cheaper than it would be to resign Amare. Not happening no way.
Brand is actually a nice player
but his contract is evil. He’s not as athletic as Amar’e but he’s much better at creating his own shot and he’s got post moves, plus he’s more defense orientated. Still don’t want him though, not with that contract.
Trust me, I love Iguodala
And have put him on my short list of people I would LOVE to see don the purple and orange, but…he’s not worth taking on Brand’s contract. I draw the line there.
Bright Side of the Sun, where Suns basketball never looked so good.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Feb 7, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
Sure,,,
The idea that the Suns would offer 3yrs (17,10,10) on the one hand….. but would take on these long term philly contracts on the other hand, doesnt make sense.
(17, 14, 14, 15) = 60 is more reasonable offer
Brand will make 16,17,18 through 2013 why would they not just extend Amare’s contract through 2015 at around the same rate of 17-18 a year? He’d be around Brand’s current age when his contract is up in 2015.
I dont see any reason why Philly would need to get rid of Brand if they were going to resign Amare, Amare and Brand can coexist at PF and C. Its not like they have to be stellar complements to each other for Philly to succeed in the crappy east. You bring Amare in and you automatically become a 4th or 5th best team.
The thing is
Brand has never really gelled in Philly. He’s had some nice games, but very, very shortly thereafter fades back into bench playing obscurity. He’s just not on the right type of team.
Philly wants to run, but by signing and committing that much money to Brand, they can’t. I think that’s a major reason they’re one of the bottom dwellers in the league.
Bright Side of the Sun, where Suns basketball never looked so good.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Feb 7, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
Philly being a bottom dweller could be because of a bunch of other reasons though… its not really Brand that is slowing down their fast break, there aren’t a whole lot of big men who can run the floor with the break anyhow. And as much as they would love to they cant run on every possession. They are just an extremely young team, they have a couple really nice guards in Holliday and Williams, I think its more that than anything.
Eh, Lou Williams can be replaced
I like Holliday more than Williams. Sweet Lou is a shoot first, scoring PG. While those have their merits, I prefer a PG that can distribute the ball with some sort of dexterity
Bright Side of the Sun, where Suns basketball never looked so good. Twitter: @iamtrevorpaxton
by iamtrevorpaxton on Feb 7, 2010 9:12 PM MST up reply actions
There's a monkey wrench in the math...
The more I think about, the more I am pretty certain that the Suns are going to come in on the low end….Steve Kerr hinted at the potential effects of the new 2011 CBA in his interview earlier in the week…If the owners get half of what they want, Max contracts are going to drop in length and amount..
Additionally, a hard salary cap like the owners wnat would drive salaries down abount 15-20%… With that kinda of future ahead, it doens’t make any sense to tie up all your money in one player…it would make it hard to build a championship contender…
I believe The Suns want to keep Amare, but they know financially that it just may not be the best course of action…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Dude they aren’t going to come in and make a hard salary cap and make every team conform right away, it will have to be implemented and will have to take years before it takes full effect. Or else every team would be screwed. Think about LA they’d have to dump half their roster to conform with a hard cap today.
Hypothetically if they lock Amare at max, it wouldn’t hurt them against a hard cap until Amare’s contract is up, that is the only fair way to do it.
True...but...
I forgot to mention the financial lossess the owners claim (or maybe truthfully) they are suffering due to the economic slowdown… That may be the biggest driving force right…
Bottom line is you are right about the phasing in of the cap, but owners are determined to reign in salaries…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
yeah...
We’ll toss in TGriff as an added bonus…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Beats me..
There has to be a reason…who knows what transpires in the brain cells of our erstwhile rocket scientist aka Steve Kerr…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
He did draft Lopez & Dragic...
But I am not going comment on some of the other moves he has made…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Actually, I do need to comment on Mr. Kerr's purported brillance...
We’ll start by shoving D’Antoni out the door, and we’ll move on to hiring Terry Porter. Then we’ll then slide over to the Shaq trade…How about the Kurt Thomas to Seattle debacle…Takes all I can dish out right now…My hear has start racing and my head feels kinda light…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Wait a minute…some sources have indicated D’Antoni chose to resign. It’s entirely possible that he was simply asked to demand more defense, and was too pig-headed to comply.
Mike himself has said as much since joining the knicks...
and says that he regrets not waiting to think on the decision…he also takes full ownership of pushing for shaq…
Kerr wanted D'antoni to hire a defensive minded assistant
D’antoni refused saying he knew how to coach a defense. That led to his resignation, although they called it giving him permission to look for new head coaching opportunities.
why would the 76ers do that?
Of course I would do your idea—Richardson for Iguodala—in a second, but it would be horrible for the 76ers—almost as one-sided as the Pau Gasol trade. Why would the 76ers trade a defensive stopper for a somewhat erratic three-point shooter who doesn’t always defend?
We want Iguodala, and what I’m getting at is that to get him, we would have to accept a player we don’t want (Brand) or a player we don’t need (Dalembert).
Well, Iggy is tied up for a while at a pretty high price, Richardson will be a serviceable replacement for the time being…Until next year when his HUGE expiring deal will be worth a lot for either them to cut pay roll, I know they have to be hurting there attendance is one of the lowest in the league or for them to make an offer to another financially struggling team. I wish we could just hammer out an extension with Amare, keep the team in-tact till next year and trade J-Rich’s contract for some pieces.
"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley
wow, I've heard of self loathing...
but this is ridiculous…
Sometimes it seems like we as suns forget what’s it’s like to feel..hmm what’s the opposite of shame? oh yea..pride..and this post seems to encapsulate that notion. I’d just like to remind people, it’s ok to take a break from the hand wringing every once in awhile:
- yes, december and january were rough, but so was the schedule..and we still managed to pull out tough wins against the spurs, magic, lakers, celtics, houston and dallas.
- not reflected in the w/l column are losses that came down to a couple unlucky bounces in the last minute. In those games the boys came out and played hard and left it all on the court..nothing to be ashamed of..
- for god’s sake, can’t we just enjoy a 5 game win streak without finding reasons to undermine it? Yes, dallas is in a slump, because we put them there by breaking their 8-9 game winning streak…Yes, beating the rockets is an accomplishment because they play their guts out every night and have hung losses on many top teams. Yes, Denver was missing Melo, but they were doing just fine up til they played us ( including pummeling the lakers after us ) In short, any team in the league would be glad to have these 5 wins in a row..
To put it another way, just a week and some change ago, there were alot of folks that were already " so over wins and losses at this point "…some were even boldly predicting that that we wouldn’t win another game against a winning or uninjured team for the rest of the season, proving that losing streaks also affect fan IQs…
And yet, here we are a week later sitting in 5th and looking good…and personally, I’ll take it, and I suggest everyone here do the same…trust me, you’ll live alot longer…
I agree
I agree with you.
This team has found some chemistry. It is starting to jell and has shown it can defend as well as score.
When we are firing on all cylinders and hustling on D, we can compete with one in the league. We need to let this team play for longer than one season, before we throw in the towel. IMHO, we need to keep preparing for the loss of NASH to retirement.
It would be a horrible delusion to let Stat go.
+1
I don’t want Stoudemire to go, either. I’ve just supposed he will. Notwithstanding that now there is talk of actually trying to reach a compromise.


























