Two New Interesting Trade Scenarios For The Suns
by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2010 8:44 PM MST
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Here's the thing about trade rumors this time of year: There are a lot of them and they come from all sorts of places and they are floated for a variety of reasons. That's why the reporting source of the rumor is so important.
Is it someone with a track record of credibility and enough knowledge to provide the proper context and filter to the information that's being passed? Or is it someone that has a tendency to simply publish or report on the radio whatever whispers of smoke drift by?
That's why when Paul Coro published these latest updates, you know they are worth paying extra close attention to. Credibility and context.
Here's what he's got regarding what he describes as the two most recent frequently mentioned trade partners, Cleveland and Philadelphia:
1) Cleveland - The Suns would get back a young power forward prospect in JJ Hickson and significant salary saving in the form of Big Z, whose contract could be waived to get the Suns under the luxury tax.
Getting under the tax not only saves the actual tax but qualifies the Suns to be a welfare recipient in the neighborhood of $5m. That's a pretty big incentive for a cost-conscious team who knows that there's nothing it can do to instantly become a title contender.
Brian Windhorst of Cleveland.com recently broke down all the numbers on this deal.
Straight up, this type of deal would save the Suns around $3.4 million off their payroll ($6.8 million including luxury tax). However, the Suns currently are a little more than $5 million over the luxury-tax line. It is possible they could then negotiate a buyout with Ilgauskas and get below the tax, which would probably enable such a trade to save them around $10 million in real money. The cash advantage could actually increase because, if the Suns got below the tax line of $69.9 million, they would be able to get their share from the fund created by the tax-paying teams. In other words, it would be worth millions more.
For the Suns, this isn't a bad deal because they get a guy who can immediately step into the power forward slot who still has three years left on his rookie contract. The Suns would enter next season with about $47.2m in contracts for 10 players (assuming both Frye and Hill pick up their options). That's plenty of money to re-sign Amundson and go after a full MLE player and still stay under the luxury tax for next year as well.
Is Amare only worth Hickson and salary relief? No. But it's a better deal than letting him walk and it gives the Suns a lot of flexibility moving forward. Throw in Cleveland's first round pick (which will be late 1st round) and it seems like a decent deal.
A lot has been said on the Cleveland side about the issues between Amare and Shaq. I don't think that's a problem at all. Those guys got along fine and Shaq isn't playing much less for Cleveland anyway. The real concern I would have is the impact to Cleveland's defense and integrating Amare into that system with LeBron just a few months before the playoffs.
It would be a huge risk for the Cavs to take at a time when they are playing really well and the Celtics look like they are done and the Magic are still trying to figure out how to play with Vince Carter. If I'm a Cavs fan, I am not in favor of this deal. The upside is, it gives Cleveland some kind of fall back position should LeBron walk. Although if LeBron left, why would Amare stay either unless they got him to agree to an extend-and-trade now? Oh the webs we weave...
2) Philly - We've talked this one to death but here's a new wrinkle or two.
Possibilities with Philadelphia could be stronger with two fronts, a deal between bringing in swingman Andre Iguodala for Stoudemire with perhaps young power forward Marreese Speights or a three-way deal involving Detroit with Pistons guard Ben Gordon winding up in Philadelphia and the Suns getting Iguodala and Detroit power forward Chris Wilcox.
This is interesting because Dalembert is not mentioned. I never thought Amare to the 76ers made sense for them if they were serious about keeping Amare, since pairing him with the 6'9 Brand and the young Speights would make for a horrible front court. But with Amare's threat to opt-in, they have to be concerned about that (even though I am convinced it's a bluff).
If they keep Dalembert and get a wing player to "replace" Iguodala, they at least can pretend they have an intact team with Amare, Brand, Dalembert and the young Jason Smith up front.
For the Suns, getting back Speights would be huge. He fills in the gap left by Amare - to a much lesser degree - and, like Hickson, still has 3 years left on his rookie contract. A Suns front line rotation of Lopez, Frye, Speights and Amundson isn't great, but it's much better than not having Speights.
The problem for me remains Iguodala's long term deal. Also not mentioned here is moving either Barbosa or Richardson which would leave the Suns with a short term glut at the wings which would have to be addressed in the off-season. Otherwise, the Suns end up with about $60m in salary (assuming Frye and Hill pick up their options), which still isn't bad either in the short term.
Wilcox was drafted one place before Amare and is also an extremely athletic power forward who's never come close to reaching his potential. He has a $3m player option for next year.
I don't honestly see why the Sixers would even consider taking on Ben Gordon's $46m/4yr deal to replace Iguodala so I am just going to ignore that and hope that what we are talking about here is Amare for Andre and Speights straight up.
That clearly nets the Suns the most talent but does limit their flexibility moving forward, but that can be resolved with Jason Richardson's expiring contract next season.
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personally
I don’t want Hickson. If i was Kerr I would want to 1st rd picks from the Cavs or no deal
Steve Nash plays D!!
We should have got hickson in the Shaq trade but management gave him away for nothing because Sarver didn’t want to pay the money
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was that even a possibility at the time?
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If they really want to move Iggy/Obtain Amar'e
I think they might do it.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 8, 2010 9:07 PM MST up reply actions
If that happens, I'll freak out.
In a good way.
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by iamtrevorpaxton on Feb 8, 2010 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
Ths is undoubtedly the best return on the dollar for us. Speights has some freaky upside and we already know we are getting close to an all-star in iggy. It also frees us up to move Barbosa or Richardson for a lot less. Perhaps relief and some picks.
by Suns Fan For Life on Feb 9, 2010 6:00 AM MST up reply actions
You guys sound like...
you where just winning in monopoly but you landed on board walk 4 times and it was loaded with hotels. So now you are selling all your real estate to end the game. … Notice I said END THE GAME… you think what we watch now is bad. Seriously… I can’t watch if we turn into that 3 – 18 team for the next 5 – 10 years.
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Probably the best option in a bad situation...
If we have to lose Amare, then I can think of a lot of worse trades we could do…Hopefully it doesn’t come to this…
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Call me weird...
But I’m not sure you trade away a guy who does 20/9 for a guy who does 7 and 4 when Amare is only 27… Why do we need a “young” prospect?
I hope we re-sign Amare… this is all just crazy. There are no trades we can make that will make us a better team now, or while Nash is here. :(
by hunterxaz on Feb 8, 2010 9:15 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
the problem is that's a false choice
It’s not about trading Amare for Iggy and Speight (or anyone else).
It’s about coming to a reasonable extension agreement between the Suns and Amare.
IF that can’t be done (b/c the Suns under value him or Amare over values himself – we won’t know until its over) THAN a trade has to be done.
If there’s no extension its a choice between a trade for something or Amare walks for nothing. He could opt-in for next year with the Suns but there’s no way to know if he will so you put all the cards in his hands and hope? No. The Suns have to make a trade now if an extension isn’t agreed to.
In theory the Suns could try and do a sign-and-trade this summer but I really don’t see how they would have too many options at that point. Right now, there’s guys with expiring deals that can be used but that won’t be the case come July. I just don’t see why teams in July would be willing to give up more than they are now to get a guy that’s going to be a free agent anyway.
At least by making a trade now, the Suns control their destiny. Otherwise, it’s all in Amare’s hands.
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You're right but...
The Suns management has to look out for the teams best interest…If Amare won’t sign for reasonable money (Whatever that is in Sarvers cheapo mind…) Then the Suns have to get the best possible deal for him…If we got to deal (Which, I really, really hope doesn’t happen…), Iggy , Speights & Green for Amare and JRich would take away some of the bitterness of his departure…I wouldn’t mind Carl Landry either, but I don’t think Houston will let him go cheap..
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Cheapo offer
We won’t really know who’s to blame if no extension is reached until after the fact.
If the Suns low ball it and offer anything less than $50m then they never wanted him to stay.
If they offer more than $70m and Amare doesn’t take it than that’s on him IMHO
In between…toss up
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2010 9:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Think about this though.
If we keep Amare around what do we do for next year to get better. We don’t have a pick or any room to sign anyone significant. That means we go into next year with pretty much the same team we have now. I like the potential of our young players, but are they going to improve enough to take us to the next level without other pieces. I think adding Iggy and the huge potential of speights to what we already have could push us up to that next level. I am not sure about beating the Lakers just yet, but anyone else in the west we could take in a 7 game series.
by Suns Fan For Life on Feb 9, 2010 6:07 AM MST up reply actions
We can already take on anyone in the West in a 7 game series like Dallas, Denver, New Orleans, Houston and San Antonio. But with Memphis, Oklahoma and Utah…. I don’t know yet…
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Matchups..Matchups...Matchups...
Right now, the Suns have matchups advantages over the teams you mentioned…(In San Antonio’s case, it just a case of breaking the playoff curse…). However, the trades that occur before the deadline can change these dynamics in a hurry…If the Suns have to make a trade, it should be an eye for the future and not hope to winning in the playoffs this year…That probably isn’t going to happen..
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Nuggets maybe...Lakers...no
The Suns always seem to match up well with the Nuggets (The Lakers certainly don’t). If the Suns are healthy, it will be very close. The Lakers on the other hand are too much for the Suns…Too big, too long and too quick (and maybe better coached..). Once again, its a case of matchups and we don’t matchup well with the Lakers…
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Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I agree with you, my only concern really with the Nuggets is that they have that guy that can take over a game. The Sun’s don’t really. They have Nash, and sure he is a hell of a competitor and a great ball player but given the choice, Nash or Melo, I’d take Melo. He would be the difference maker in that series I think.
Iggy can lock down on Melo….
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I agree. But the team as currently constructed can not.
Also, Sun God, I see by your email address that you are or were in the service. Thanks for that.
Thanks EREX...
I retired after 23 years in the US Army…loved every minute of it (well not always…). I really appreciate that you recognize the service that military personnel provide to our great country. Thanks again!
By the way, AI2 cannot, lock down Melo…no one can…period.
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Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Maybe not lock him down in the sense of keeping him to 10 points a game but I think he can stop him from dropping 30 or 40 on you. He will make Melo earn every single point thats for sure.
And you are welcome. I always appreciate the work our servicemen and women perform for the things that many of us take for granted everyday.
Ive not seen him play enough to conclude that he is a good defender
He’s never made an all NBA defensive team or second team, and I’m not sure anyone can stop Melo from dropping 30 or 40 if he wanted to.
I served 8 years in the Army myself
and my son is in AIT right now..welcome, brother
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 9, 2010 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
Good stuff to the man that used to be called PhoenixStan
What’s his MOS and where’s his AIT?
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He's going to Sat Comm school
at Fort Gordon. Right now he’s AZ National Guard and is supposed to come home in May but he’s making noises like he might want to go active.
When were you in?
88-96 for me. Fort Bliss and Germany mostly. 1st Gulf War with 1st AD and then Bosnia in early 96 once again w/ 1st AD.
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they way I feel about this whole thing
is that if the Suns don’t resign Amare, they lose. These trade deals aren’t going to return equal value to having Amare on the offensive end where Steve can get him the ball to finish at the rim. I think the Suns lose if Amare goes because we still have Nash but not necessarily the same weapons beside him.
I would rather see the suns go all the way and get some value (picks and current value) for Amare AND Nash and just commit to blowing the thing up.
Obviously, the Suns want to resign him, and I’ve never been a huge Amare fan but I’m not going to pretend that getting Iggy at SF is going to fill that hole. So we win by getting tons of future value and blowing the team up, or get Amare to come back alongside Nash.
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But what's Amare's part in all this
it’s not like the Suns “control” Amare. He contract is coming to an end and he can decide if he wants to stay or not. Unless the Suns are willing to max him out at about 6yr/$138m which I don’t think anyone believes makes sense.
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"Last Resort" trades rarely return equal value...
But you got to get something versus getting nothing…Would be nice to get 4 or 5 more years of Amare piling up Offense, but if he won’t sign for reasonable money, we gotta pull the trigger. If we trade both Nash and Amare, who is going to want to watch this team…? How many wins do you think we get for the rest of the year? 5 -10 if we’re lucky..? Let’s not go totally overboard…
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Hate to say it.
But if Amare goes. And Nash stays…. I say Nash gets frustrated and we still get 5 – 10 more wins if we are lucky.
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Never fear, Nash has been frustrated since the Matrix trade...
If Amare gets traded and we get anything resembling a capable power forward in return (exluding Channing Frye inserted into the starting line-up), the Suns will probably be around .500 for the remainder of the year (15-14, 16-13, or maybe 14-15…). If we get stuck with Samuel Dalembert and have to play both him and Robin at the same time or Robin is forced to the bench (That would regress him, I think) and we play Frye, it drops to about 12-17, 13-16, or 11-18. I really don’t see how getting Iggy would improve the team enough to get more wins than that…
Maybe somebody out there sees things differently, but I just don’t see it..
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Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I truly feel that with Iggy this team has so much more potential
Whether we do the Amar’e+Barbs for Iggy+Dalembert or the Amar’e for Iggy+Speights, we’d improve greatly.
Iggy would easily be the best play maker to ever play alongside Nash and our offense could be just as good, possibly more versatile. I know we wont be able to replace Amar’e’s 1-on-1 game, but we’ve seen what Nash can do with a mobile big in Robin, it’d be the same story with Dalembert and Speights.
Our rebounding would get a huge boost with Iggy and Dalembert(13.5 TRB per 36)/Speights(9.3 TRB per 36), and our defense would obviously improve just getting rid of Amar’e and throwing Iggy into our lineup.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 8, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
something ive alwats wondered about nash
would he be more effective with another playmaker? i wonder if the two of them would end up being kind of redundant since nash dominates the ball on offense so much…
Banzai!
But having another playmaker
is right in line with the new direction A.G. has said he wants this team to continue to go. He wants them to move the ball a lot more and early in the clock to find the angle or the shot… and when nothing happens give the ball to Nash so he can create. I don’t see anything wrong with having two options if the passing game doesn’t work out – Instead of placing all the responsibility on Nash’s shoulders – now you have two options.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
What playmakers are out there
Guys with playmaking skills that aren’t a black hole on offense are that available…
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Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I was referencing Iguadala
Seeing as he is really the only ‘playmaker’ being talked about in the rumors.
I wouldn’t consider Iguadala a black hole on offense… if you do you better explain for me.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
nash won’t be here forever and they could feed nicely off eachother.
Nash can create shots for anyone and is actually a nice spot up shooter coming off picks. The two of them would be great on the court together.
I would be looking forward to Dragic @ PG and IGGy at the 2 with Clark at the 3 for our future
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Contract issues aside
I think we would be better equipped to build for the future with Iguodala than Amar’e simply for the fact that i don’t think you can start a rebuild when your best player can’t create for others and isn’t even that proficient at creating for himself.
agree’d but Amare scores buckets arguably better then any other 4 in the league.
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I think Bosh and Dirk are up there too
Amare has Nash setting him up. I wonder how they’d do if they had Nash at the helm.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Everyone benefits with playing with Nash. Amare definately has his whole career. But I still think the guy put in a different situation where he is the main source of offense he would put up huge numbers.
but those 3 guys are definately the top i would probably say. maybe leaving someone off amare is up there with scoring points
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You forget
that not every play is set up by Nash – Amare is an insane face-up offensive threat (when he doesn’t turn the ball over like he has at times this year) – he is quick and powerful, so imo I think a lot of people over exaggerate the fact that Nash sets up a lot of Amare’s shots.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
No doubt amare is one of the best offensive scorers in the game
but my point is, when Nash retires we’ll inevitably have to rebuild. In order to develop young players like Clark, lopez and anyone else we get they need to get the ball in order to develop. They’d develop much more with Iggy (6apg) giving them the ball than STAT (less than 1apg).
definately agree, i'm for the trade for the most part however they work it out
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i like the idea of placing less responsibility on nash. i i guess the thing that makes me hesitant is spending so much on a player, whose strength – at least statistically – is his passing, when our team strength is probably passing. his rebounding and scoring aren’t that special. he plays good d. the benefit seems a little too risky to me to spend that much money.
Banzai!
If Amare
does not commit to the Suns, management really has no options. Getting Iggy from Philly would be a good move considering what could happen if Amare walks. The ball is in Amare’s court, lets see what he does.
The teams who talk the most...
are the teams who do nothing.
Amare will be playing for the suns till the end of this season at least.
There will be no trade by the deadline.
That's a possibility...
But with Steve (I loved getting served in a deal) Kerr at the wheel, you never can say for sure. Sometimes this team locks in on a player they want real bad (Shaq, JRICH and now Iggy) and get hell bent on bring them in…no matter the cost.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Money, money, money...Money!!!!
Is there ever any other reason…?
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Somehow I don't like any of this trade with Philly especially the one with Chris Wilcox
I’m not sold at Speights. The Suns should consider this only if they get Philly’s 1st round pick for 2010 and if it means dumping LB’s contract then so be it. Chris Wilcox is a sluggish version of Amare.
This might not be the right thread to ask this, but if the Suns are considering to take Iggy’s contract why not take Maggette’s (makes 5 milions less)? I read somewhere that Warriors might be bought by Larry Ellison and they are willing to throw Maggette’s contract along with some sweeteners to smoothed out the transfer to a new owner. And one of that sweetener would be Randolph.
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I'd kind of be more into the trade with GS as well.
If GS was willing to throw Randolph in with Magette and another player or pick that would make the most sense. I love Iggy but lets get real Magette would be able to be thrown in our system tomorrow and succeed.
I really like Magette’s game the dude has averaged 28 (no joke) over the past couple of months, not to mention he is a fearless attacker of the rim, meaning he will get opposing bigs into foul trouble for good old Lopez to do work son and clean up on some scrubs.
MLE
A note on the mid-level exception: It is only available to teams over the cap at the start of the season. So in the Cleveland situation, if they did drop their payroll to $47M, then they would have to sign someone over the cap to get the MLE, so I’m not sure what is being referred to by a “full MLE guy,” unless you think re-signing Amundson would put them over the cap. Which would be a rather huge deal for Sweet Lou.
And while I voted for the Iggy-Speights deal, I think the Hickson-Ilgauskas deal is just as good after reading the math involved.
That said, I prefer for both sides to come to a mutually beneficial agreement. I’d like to see Amar’e remain a Sun, even if Phoenix has to “over”-value him a bit.
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That I did not know
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2010 11:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
How is that cavs deal even considered?
Why would we want Big Zs expiring contract when amare (who is a much better player) is basically an expiring contract himself?
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Feb 8, 2010 11:15 PM MST reply actions
Two weeks
ago all I could think of is possible trade scenarios now I’m just so sick of it. I just hope we keep him, there no trade out there that will benefit us most as opposed to just bringing Amare back. We have two scenarios one being a straight salary dump and maybe a low-first round back or a trade in where we get an expensive contract in return along with some scrubby guys just to balance out the math. Iggy is going to be making a boatload…if we can’t throw in a few million on top of that to re-sign STAT then Sarver is just showing his true colors. I don’t want Iggy, Yi Jinlain, Speights, Hickson, Tyrus Thomas, Anthony Randolph…I just want STAT. We’ll have to buck up and pay the salary tax this year then after this we can save money next year in dumping J-Rich’s monster deal.
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Agreed man how much more would Amare want more than what Iggy is making 10M more over the next 4 years?
Amare is worth way more than 10 million spread over 4 years.
With the new CBA just around the corner and a possible lockout, is there really any team willing to pay Stat what the Suns don’t want to pay him?
Do you think an extension 4 years – 60/70 m $ is just? OR 5 years 75/85 m $? Do you think the Suns are willing to pay him those amounts and do you think that he agree to this?
If Stat opts to remain on the team this season, what are the possibilities of achieving a better contract next season that the contract that he can get now?
personally, i have a tough time believing that anyone will go over 4/65 for amare. lebron is probably the only one who can command close to 20 mil per year. i think about it this way: if what we’ve heard about the cap is true, would you want to be paying amare more than a kevin durant on his new max contract? carmelo anthony? im starting to get the feeling that amare’s and the suns’ perceptions of his value are inching closer. im guessing that he ends up resigning with the suns.
the more i think about it, the more glad i am that the suns dont have an major financial commitments at the moment. if you think the wizards and the sixers are screwed with brand and arenas now, imagine how screwed they’ll be when the cap drops. even a contender like the magic, who have a buttload of money locked up in rashard lewis and vince carter could be forced to make some major moves.
Banzai!
I agree
but that’s up to Amare to decide if he thinks he can get more on the open market…
We can’t force Amare to stay if he doesn’t want to stay. The only thing the Suns can do is get something back for him instead of nothing IF they think he’s going to leave.
Really guys, we talk about this like it is all up to the Suns and it is not. Amare is driving 75% of what happens next.
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i agree that ultimately its up to amare, but its up to management to figure out what he wants so we can decide which direction to go in. it seems like we’re still trying to figure it out. waiting until the all-star break to offer him a contract leaves a week to make a trade if he doesn’t accept. it just seems way too late to be making an offer when the next 5 years of your franchise are dependent on that offer.
Banzai!
Why not sign Amar'e
Sign him and then trade JRich and Barbs for TMac. We can then trade him for Iggy and Dal
not this season
The more trades you try to make, the better the chance that one won’t work. And if the Suns got McGrady, wouldn’t they be stuck with him until this summer?—I thought incoming players could not immediately be traded elsewhere. Besides, McGrady is a loser.
I really like the Phi trade but would like to get a pick. If they just want to save money I’m afraid Houston is gonna steal this trade with TMac’s expiring monster contract.
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That could be an issue...
If Amare refuses to sign an extension for what we offer, the panicmaster may go after an absolutely horrible trade if the Philly and Hoston work out a deal…
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Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Interesting rumors
A few of my thoughts:
1) I really dont like the Cavs trade. For one, it sends Amare to a team that is already one of the best. I know we are not thinking we are contenders, but seriously if something like that did work out I would not want to face the Cavs with Amare. On top of that, I don’t like what we are getting in return. We are trading away one of the best PFs in the game for BigZ and a rookie who, though may have potential, is no big deal. Then we are thinking of waiving Z so he can go back to the Cavs? No, No, and No. Dont like this. It doesn’t leave us any better next year.
2) While Speights might look good in the long run and even the short run as a player who can step right into the PF position and do well, I am not convinced that this is a better deal than the one for Wilcox. I remember playing against him once and he did well against Amare. Went for like 20 points and 7-8 rebounds on him. Though he will likely not pan out as being a great PF, playing with Nash I could see Wilcox doing very well.
3) I know this may not be on the table, but for the long haul, I much prefer to bring in Dalembert simply because having his expiring contract next season could be a HUGE boon for us. However, as you said Stan, it may be too much of a stretch for the 76ers to lose their center and not bring in another one. Perhaps they were going to go after someone like Camby in the summer but reconsidered everthing when Amare threatened to opt in.
Reading is good...
Before everyone gets man-crushes on Iggy..
Before this all started I felt AI2 was just a slightly stronger version of Jason Richardson…When everyone started jumping on the Iggy bandwagon for the a potential STAT deal, I kinda fell in line…Now after reading this post, I am starting to see why I originally felt the way I did about him…Is he that much of an improvement over Jason Richardson???
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Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I hear you
I’ve never been sold on him – especially given his contract – but I will readily admit that I’ve not seen enough of him to give a truly fair assessment.
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As someone who has watched the Sixers for years as I am in the Philly market. Iggy is an upgrade of JRich because he plays lock down defense and is a good jump shooter who can create some shots. His biggest downfall, and it is worse when you compare him to JRich is that Iggy is an awful, absolutely awful 3 point shooter, who despite that, continues to take 3 point shots when he shouldn’t.
they might be fruatration shots
Hi, ERex. If Iguodala jacks up too many threes, could it be that he does it out of frustration? Charles Barkley jacked up many bad threes (among other things he did) during his angry last season in Phoenix. Anyway, if Iguodala came to the Suns and liked it better, he’d probably quit taking bad shots.
That but I was thinking those 3’s were probably for the most part contested, since he is the playmaker of a horrible team I’m sure he is not getting too many open looks, he would however here in PHX think about Hill’s 3 point shot… terrible absolutely ugly but he shoots a decent percent when Nash feeds him off a drive and kick when he is wide open
Some of it may be in frustration, he is primarily Philly’s first option on offense, and yes because he is the primary option he is the defenses main focus. So that probably plays a big part in all of this. I should qualify myself and say, I am in the Sixers market, and I root for the Sixers, would like them to do well but I am a Suns fan. I was born in 84, started rooting for them when I was a young kid…around 92-93 and got really big into them when Jason Kidd was the team’s marque player. So I would say I have been a fan of theirs for a while. Having followed both teams for a while I would definitely say that this trade, however it unfolds works much better for the Suns than the Sixers. And here is why:
The reality is, Amare is not going to get the money he wants, which is slightly above what he actually deserves. But either way, the Suns won’t pay him what he deserves either. Amare is as good as gone. The rumored package/packages involving Philly make sense. When you look at what these guys bring to the table it’s a pretty even match if you ask me. Amare scores about 4 points more a game, and when he cares enough to rebound he can absolutely out rebound Iggy. But what Iggy can do, and Amare has never done is play lock down defense, and its usually on guys number one options. The Sun’s haven’t had that since Matrix and Bell were traded. Yes Amare scores more but Iggy makes up for that difference in his defense. This also gives Nash another play maker to work with. Something that I think he would relish. Would take some of the focus and pressure off of him.
Now, to me, the biggest parts of this deal, what matters most is who are the other guys involved. If the Suns are getting back Sammy D and his contract which only lasts one more season, then I am ok with that. If they are getting back Speights who I think, if he works on his defense can really have a ton of upside, then I am even happier. Speights is cheap and has a few years on his rookie contract left. Personally I would want Speights back. Nothing against Sammy but until Iverson came back, Sammy was playing less than inspired basketball. Great guy, who is lock down under the basket but his hands are awful and he isn’t much of a shooter. Speights gives you a young guy to build around. If I was the Suns and I could kick out a front court rotation of Clark, Speights, Lopez and Fyre for the next 2-3 years. I would be pretty happy with that.
I am a huge Barbosa fan. So if he was traded, which I hope he isn’t but if he is, I would be glad to see him go to Philly…though I doubt he would be all that thrilled. I like JRich as well but I think his contract is one the Suns don’t need. Nor do the Sixers but since the Suns are a team that can actually challenge in the playoffs, I am more concerned with what they get in this trade. Not so say the Sixers totally get the raw end of the deal. Clearly their current GM’s plan is not working, he has no money to fix it so all he can do is try and hit the reset button and get an expiring contract. Sadly for him the only way to do that is to trade his teams best player. It is what it is.
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I hope you believe that is the reason, because I don’t…Habits like that aren’t learned in one season…Seems like he has a penchant for doing that a long time…These are the kinds of issues that must be resolved when trading for a supposedly star player…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Well that's kind of a depressing article.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
He is a potential star player. He would probably shoot better here and get more open shots at the 3 instead of him creating a 3 point shot for himself and not setting it up properly before the shot.
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Sounds like when we made the Charlotte trade...
I am hearing the exact same things that we heard about JRICH…and I am fearing the exact same results…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
You can't be hearing the exact same things about J-Rich
he was leading the league (or very close to the top) in 3p% when we got him last season.
The terms "lock-down defender" & "Creates own shot" comes to mind...
Need I say more????
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
No...
I dont remember the “lock down defender” stuff but I do remember the creates his own shot stuff. And Rich does do a good deal of shot creation, my problem with most of it is that its not very good half the time. As for Rich’s defense it was touted at the time that he played really good defense in college and hadn’t really had a need to play defense in the NBA but was going to show that he could. And this season he has shown that he can play defense. My issue is that he hasn’t been able to do both. On nights when a ton is required of him defensively he is horrible in everything else. But the other nights where he can move are great.
Reading is good...
Well I remember
What a great defender Kerr made JRich out to be…. Made him out to be a big defensive improvement over RBell. The problem there was that the Suns had been nut swinging on JRich for years…Almost like what they have been saying about Iggy recently. Nut swinging tends to cloud one’s vision and judgement. I guess if this was Kevin Pritchard, I would trust his judgment a little more..
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
wow
I didn’t know that; I must not have heard the spin. Claiming that Richardson is a better defender than Raja Bell is so blatantly B.S. that it insults every fan’s intelligence, and I would respect Mr. Kerr less for it. Unless Kerr actually said Richardson was potentially a better defender (due to his athleticism, probably). That’s completely different.
i heard something like that
I think it had more to do with raja getting old than jrich being a superb defender though. upgrade by default kind of thing.
Banzai!
I never heard anything like that...
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Well, Kerr tried to spin the JRich trade like crazy
A lot of people were sold, a lot of people weren’t. I can’t say I’ve seen Iggy enough times either to actually make a valid assessment, but in the end, I take Iguodala over cap space.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Exactly my sentiments
especially when its only 6million in cap spacr which won’t get us anything.
Well I'll take him over nothing of course
I just think that Suns management nut locks on certain players and goes after them hell or highwater…I just don’t see the end improvement for the Suns with Iggy in the fold over JRich…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
jrich in charlotte and
the one we have now are pretty different. he used to drive without fear, take shots (bad they may have been) and create for his teammates. now hes asked to play off ball, and have things created for him. i like that he plays some defense but geez, give him the ball to create once in a while.
Great players adapt
JRich couldn’t and I fear the same for AI2..
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
You are saying Iggy will play worse here like JRich did?
Jrich played his best in GSW then not as good in Charl now here his play has really dropped.
I don’t think Iggy falls in that category. I think he still has some good upside. He has nobody on his team to help him so he has to do everything like Lebron did on the CAvs.
The Suns should seize the opportunity to vastly improve their back court defense which has always struggled. Matrix could guard 1’s and 2’s but that wasn’t his spot. Bell was a good defender but he really dropped the ball towards the end of his time here.
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No, the role that they play...
What I am saying is that Iggy and JRich had a lot of the same attributes and I fear what we get from Iggy will resemble what we got from Richardson. We want to believe that AI2 will come in and become a 22ppg scorer and lock-down defender for Kobe and Melo…It ain’t gonna happen. What we will get is an athlethic 2-3 that score 16-17 ppg, chuck up a lot of bad threes and guard some 1’s, 2’s and 3’s…Sound familiar?
Be careful what you wish for…you might just get it…!
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
To an extent I see what you are saying but Iggy is an absolute lock down defender. It’s not even a question. Probably the 2nd best guard defender that team has ever had behind Eric Snow.
True, he has a reputation of being a good defender...
But I am not even sure he is the best defender on the Sixers…Check this out…
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/11/19/numbersgame.battier/index.html
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
That’s interesting, and I love Thad Young…he does play some pretty good D but he get’s beat a lot. He seems to be a little slow to react sometimes.
However, Thad would put up great numbers as a defender if he didn’t spend a majority of the season having to defend 4’s when he himself is a 3. He got pushed around way to easily when defending other teams PF’s.
The data is skewed though
Quite a few of those players are bench players. Of course a bench defender will be better than a starter because he is guarding the second string and thus give up less PPG.
i have no idea how iggy would play with a distributor like nash. he definitely improves our intangibles.
how about this trade?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylhqzw6
after we trade amare, we get wilcox who is basically a rookie/2nd season amare without a shot but still gives us a great finisher. prince, is a good defender and decent enough shooter to try out while if it doesnt expires next year.
ya i thought the same thing once i did it. they already have like 6 guards. maybe cause he expires next year???
detroit is a mess. why did they spend their money on charlie V and ben gordon?
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Don't worry about Joe..
As long as the Knicks exist as a franchise, Dumars could never match the cherished managerial accomplishments of his former Pistons backcourt mate…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
The more defenders we get the happier I am
"Stop denying the inevitable, the time has come to rebuild"
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Defense wins championships. Even if we could lock down teams defensively but had trouble scoring I would be happier. It’s easier to get scorers then lock down defenders.
The more defensive minded lock down players we aquire the better the team will get.
"Stop denying the inevitable, the time has come to rebuild"
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Of course Defense wins championships...
But does anyone want to see basketball reminsent of the 91’ Knicks..? Imagine if you will the ugliness that was, Oakley, Mason, Charles Smith, Anthony and John Starks…Wasn’t a .445 shooter in the whole lot of them…
If you want to see blood and bodies flying over the court and balls clanging of the side of the rim, sURE..
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
ok we need some offense but you know what I mean. We need quality defensive players on the team
"Stop denying the inevitable, the time has come to rebuild"
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We need a good mix...
Every great team championship has had great defensive players (Ben Wallace) or a defensive tone (old Pistons). However, they all had very good or great offensive players.
I would much rather keep Amare and trying to pawn off JRich and/or LB for the purported defensive stopper, Iggy.
Amare’s defensive limitations are more a result of the Suns defensive schemes. He has been in positioned over the years to get out on the break and finish versus playing extreme help defensive. That being said, I think he has been doing a lot better playing along side Robin Lopez.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
I think everyone would support a trade of jrich for iggy and the suns figuring out something other then a max deal with amare
"Stop denying the inevitable, the time has come to rebuild"
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Your on it doggone it...!
That is the ideal scenario that the Suns could hope for….
Knowing our luck, Amare won’t sign, all the good trades will be gone and well end up trading Amare for Z, Delonte West and J.J. Hickson. Big Z will be released and resign with the Cavs and Delonte West will implode and J.J. Hickson will have a career ending knee injury three weeks after arriving.
Man, I gotta stop being so negative!!!!!
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
wow that would be awful
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Well you definitely have reason
The Suns are somewhat of a snake-bitten franchise. There are some that are worse-off, of course. They’ve never been a pathetic team, but they’ve forever been “one step away” from a championship.
CBS Sports is claiming Suns owner is too cheap to take on Phi trade
CBS sports is claiming the Suns owner Sarver is too cheap to trade for Iggy and doesn’t want to committ more money in contracts.
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19986881?source=rss_blogs_NBA
I hope this is not ultimately true and we just trade stat for money saving. I feel sick just thinking about that.
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You just realized Sarver was cheap...?
I thought the dumping of Kurt Thomas to Seattle should have let the whole world know about his thriftiness…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
i know but if he goes cheap in the Amare trade i don’t think fans will forgive him?
I won’t … If you are gonna own an NBA team be prepared to do what it takes to win or don’t get in the business.
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The fan’s won’t forgive him…but does he care? Clearly he doesn’t.
He can make money even if the team sucks. He just can’t make as much money. Clearly he is in it to make money.
Of course he's in it for the money...
Much as I don’t like the job Sarver and his lackey have done with this team, Colangelo never got the Suns to the promised land either…I am not sure what the right answer is…
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
And ask the Diamondbacks about what Colangelo's extravagant spending did for them.
It’s fantastic that they won the pennant, but they’re STILL paying Randy Johnson and Curt Shilling for their services.
I don't know if I'm on the bandwagon
For crippling your team’s future in order to win the championship. Miami, this summer — four years later — is just now able to get past the expenses they incurred from their 2006 championship.
It's possible to be consistent. There are sports franchises
that continually do well despite not having the finances to be big winners. I point to the Utah Jazz and Minnesota Twins as examples of organizations who are consistently good even with the lack of Lakers/Yankee talent and money. And while they haven’t won championships (lately in the Twins example), they are consistently in postseason.
IMO their success has to do with having the right people in the right places in the organization. Jerry Sloan will always get the most out of his guys. If they don’t buy in, they’re gone. In baseball there is much more that goes into scouting, drafting, developing talent and utilizing guys at the right place and time to maximize their skills.
My point is that while winning the big one would be wonderful, killing the franchise for decades at a time because of overspending and then rebuilding isn’t necessarily a good way to go about running the business. Long term consistency keeps the fans coming to the arena and FA’s interested in playing for the franchise.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 9, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Oh I know.
The Suns are in this same boat. They’ve been moderately successful forever, but never gotten over the hump.
It becomes a question of what you’d rather have. Consistent, but moderate success, or the ultimate success followed by abysmal failure for a few years.
Look at the Florida Marlins.
It seems like they win the World Series, dump their entire roster, suck for 3-4 years, then make a run at the WS again. I’d rather be consistent than win, suck for 4 years, then win again.
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by iamtrevorpaxton on Feb 9, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
ha ha...great minds.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 9, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Haha, +1
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by iamtrevorpaxton on Feb 9, 2010 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
if its only a few years
I take the championship, simply because I’ve been waiting 30 years for it. And not just the Suns, every team I follow…it would be nice to taste victory-just once.
But I’m not in the Florida Marlin camp (example off the top of my head) whereby you win, then blow it up, over and over.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 9, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
I just wanna Championship
Beg, Borrow or Steal, I just want to see the Suns win a ring before I close my eyes for good.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
My plan
is to sit here and wait for something to happen, that way we can all stop talking about what “could” happen, and then just get back to rooting for the Suns. We could have Amare, JJ Hickson, or Iggy, or whoever, but regardless, one thing is for sure, we will still be Suns fans.
we all
have to sit and wait it out. I’d feel bad for Kerr and Co. if they weren’t getting paid handsomely to make these tough decisions.
I don’t like the prophecizing part either, but its part of being a fan these days. I’m with you though, regardless of what happens, I’m going to follow the Suns it’s like an addiction. I couldn’t quit if I wanted to.
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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 9, 2010 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
Let's toast to that
Hell or Highwater, Colangelo or Sarver, Barkley or Burke, we will still love or Suns!!!
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
True! Even being an East-Coaster, I’ve liked the Suns ever since I went to my first NBA game (Suns vs Bullets) in 1988 (man, Tom Chambers was BALLIN’ that game) and I’ve lived & died (mostly the latter) with them ever since!!
I need a ring, DAMMIT!!
I’ve wondered how Tom Chambers in his prime compared to Stoudemire. I can’t tell, because I started watching during the 1993 Lakers series. (The Lakers sure weren’t such jerks back then.)
Chambers scored a little more, but he took more shots
To be honest…I watched Chambers since he was in college at Utah. Great player mind you…he had hops, vision, great jumper and could score in bunches. Like Amare his defenses ..ahem…wasn’t that great. That being said, I believe Amare is more athletic, much quicker and has a bigger upside.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Actually, Keith Van Horn should have been the second coming of Chambers
Both had similar skillsets and virtually identical college game. I am not sure why Van Horn didn’t do better than he did.
"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."
Anonymous high-school player after a Virginia basketball state championship game...
Stoudemire and Dragic
I just realized an issue the Suns should give great consideration to in their decision on Stoudemire. As Goran Dragic is probably the future leader of the team, how well does Stoudemire play with him, and how well will he when Dragic is his point guard full-time? We’ve all observed that Stoudemire is a finisher, not creating his own shot much but depending on Nash’s feeds. Will Dragic’s style take advantage of that ability as well? He passes, but not as much as Nash. That being the case, Stoudemire’s scoring might drop with Dragic in charge unless Stoudemire learns how to create shots.
Amar’e still has shown the ability to face up and take the ball to the rack as well as hitting mid-range jumpers so I think he’ll still get his…just not off alot of PnR’s. He hasn’t had a problem working on his offensive game so I’m sure STAT will adapt to filling it up w/out Nash. I suspect he and GD could co-exist once he’s handed the reins in a couple of years…
I need a ring, DAMMIT!!
When Dragic is asked to play the point he is good. He is quick and can penetrate the defense and is getter better at finishing at the rim. This creates shots for others. Dragic is gonna be a good point guard.
If you give amare the ball in the right spot on the floor. He can create his own shot. If amare stayed around I think Dragic would play great with him.
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I’m constantly pressing my ear to the ground listening for any signs of news of what may be. I do this even though I know nothing will actually happen until after the All Star break.
Gonna be happy once all the speculation and rumors have ceased to be.
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