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Los Angeles Lakers Take Care of the Phoenix Suns: 102-96

This was always going to be a tough game and without Frye the Suns did well to make a contest of it. The killer was the second quarter and first half of the 3rd. The Lakers had their way with a stagnant Phoenix offense on one end and a generous zone defense on the other. Phoenix went 5 for 23 in the second and were outscored 29 to 15. That's tough to come back from, but with a bit of toughness and verve the home team did manage to take a brief fourth quarter lead but couldn't bring it home.

Not a huge loss in the greater scheme of things. The Suns showed some fight including Gentry sacrificing some dollars to stand up for his guys - he got tossed arguing for a Flagrant after a hard foul by Gasol across Lou's face.

The turning point in the game came with about 4:30 to go in the 3rd when Amundson came in for Robin with the Suns looking up hill at a 15 point deficit. Lou was amazing on both ends finishing with 11 points, 10 rebounds and 4 blocks. Amare had an incredible 17 point, 8 rebound first quarter but was pretty quiet for the rest of the game. Robin was a ghost and Jason missed a ton of open threes.

You have to also credit the Lakers defense that gave up 31 points in the first quarter and only 65 for the rest of the game.

Tough loss, but not the end of the world....just a small step in that direction.

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Robin vs Bynum Mid-Term Report: D-

So much for Robin coming out and showing the world how far he's advanced. He picked up a very quick foul trying to helpLopezoutrebounded_medium on Gasol. He left his feet going for the block and Pau - that savvy Spaniard that he is - jumped into him. His second foul came when he tried to block Kobe's shot just a few minutes later. With Robin in foul trouble just five minutes into the game, Gentry was forced to go to Jarron Collins. Nothing against Jarron Collins, he played well, but still he's Jarron Collins.

That hurt and Robin never recovered. He finished the game with 6 points and ZERO rebounds while Bynum went 8 for 12 with 9 boards. Plenty of those points came against Suns without 'fro's and there were a few hints at how effective Lopez can be in this match-up but overall he played a crappy game.

Box Score Review

The funny thing is that despite Robin having ZERO rebounds and only playing 18 minutes and not having Channing the Suns still managed to out-rebound the Lakers 43-40, beat them on the offensive glass 14-12, and had 19 second chance points to to their 20. The Suns also won the points in the paint category 44 to 40. All-in-all not a bad performance against the mighty giant Lakers and certainly a point of pride.

What killed the Suns on the offensive end was 6 for 21 from three. Both Nash and Jason missed plenty of open looks - they combined for 4-15. That allowed the Lakers to get away with collapsing on Amare's drives after the first quarter in which he had 17 points on 11 shots. He finished with 29 points on 22 attempts which meant he went 4 for 11 in the final 3 periods.

I guess you can blame that poor shooting on the excessive time off. Even Coach Jackson said that it is hard for teams to stay sharp with all that rest.

The Lakers offense got something they've struggled with all season - balance. All of their starters, including Fisher, had at least 15 points. Gasol and Bynum were super efficient with a combined 65% shooting. Kobe had a less than stellar 7 for 16 night from the field and was 1 for 5 from three but he added 10 rebounds and 8 assists to give the dreaded all-around game. There were times when the Suns doubled him too soon, in my opinion, and encouraged him to be a play-maker.  I would much rather see him be selfish. I think sometimes this team gives him too much respect on the court.

The benches each dropped in 18 with Lou leading the charge with his 11. Goran only had 4 points but was starting to be aggressive when he was benched for Nash in the 4th quarter. At that point the Suns were down 3 with 6:46 to go. The Lakers then went on a 9-1 run to put the game away. There are times when Dragic is too deferential to his teammates. I think he's still learning to recognize when he's the best option on offense. It's the difference between being a 6th man spark and starting point guard. It's understandable that he's struggling with that but we've seen several games where he's carried the offensive load to good results and I would like to see more.

Zone It Up

When Lopez went out, the Suns went to the zone defense against a Lakers team that doesn't shoot the ball well from three. It worked for awhile but as is prone to happen, the zone wore out it's welcome.

Jared Dudley, my go-to source for all things zone related, said this, "At first I thought it went pretty well in the first quarter and beginning of the second. Like any good team they made an adjustment and hit some big threes..I thought all in all it was effective. I just thought you have to get in and get out of zones and give them different looks."

Second Quarter Swoon

After starting the game with such great energy and effort it looked like the Suns were well on their way. The went into the 2nd with a 31-24 lead. The bench did their job and played the Lakers even for a good 7 minutes. Each team had only scored 9 points by the 5:25 mark when Artest hit a big 3, Dragic missed a shot followed by 10 footer for Bynum. That cut the 7 point lead down to 2 by the time Nash and Amare checked back in.

From that point the Lakers went on a 15-6 run to close the half up 7.

"We just lost our rhythm. We had a really nice rhythm and flow going and we just kind of got stagnant. We missed some shots but more than that I thought we lost the tempo and rhythm and we couldn't get it back until the second half," Nash explained.

Steve said his back and abs felt much better tonight. He wasn't playing with the stiffness he'd experience in recent games but he was sore from the work he did this week with his physio to fix those ailments. He said he was looking forward to getting more spring in his legs which he hoped would carry him through the rest of the season. We'll just have to watch and see how he feels on Sunday against the Hornets. I don't think resting him anymore at this point would help in the short term and you can't afford to shut him down for an extended stretch of time.

Wonder Lou

That lack of "rhythm" carried over for the first seven minutes of the third. The Lakers built their 7 point lead to 15 during a stretch that saw the Suns hanging their heads and playing poorly. In came the hero of his game, Lou Amundson. "I think we started the second half lackluster and we were kind of lacking energy there in the first few minutes. I was just trying to come in and give a spark, give some energy and make some plays."

Lou said that it was a physical game all night but he didn't think Gasol's hit across his face was dirty. He said Pau was trying to make a play on the ball and he also said the he didn't feel Bynum was trying to hurt him or throw him to the ground.

He did say this about the level of play, "I felt like a boxer. Every time I was on the bench I had to have (Aaron) Nelson patch me up."

Lou's toughness and his energy was a perfect lift in the third and fourth quarters and was responsible for getting the crowd and team back in the game. It all started with a block within the first minute he was on the floor and the Suns down 13. From there they closed the gap and took the lead in the fourth but just didn't have enough to bring it home.

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Gentry's Early Exist

Coach wouldn't address the issue at all. He might talk about it tomorrow when he's reviewed the tape and had time to collect his thoughts. That's clearly the right move.

When he went off about the hard foul on Lou and earned his ejection, he was clearly still steaming about the non-call against Kobe. I will have to check the tape myself, but it sure looked like Kobe dribbled into a sideline trap and then split the double team and dribbled some more. That would be illegal and Gentry was furious by the lack of call.

There were a few other questionable calls as there always are in games but frankly, if you think these games are fixed or somehow unfair than I would just assume you don't watch them. How could you possibly enjoy a game if you believe that the outcome is predetermined. Of course refs make mistakes and of course, there is individual bias against certain players or coaches based on their individual reputations and relationships with the officials. But to think that David Stern is sitting in New York dictating how this game will end? Please.

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In Game Notes

1st Qtr

  • Damn Jason. You can't bite on that pump fake from Kobe on the first play!
  • Mix of MVP and boo's with Kobe's first trip to the line. Gonna be a fun night
  • I continue to be  so impressed with Robin's ability to catch a low bounce pass on the pick and roll and then stop short avoiding the foul and hit a little pull-up baby hook (or whatever you call that)
  • Amare looking for his shot early. Robin with 1 foul already so Phil goes right at him with Bynum
  • This is probably as amped up as I've seen a Suns crowd this year. Amare is responding w/ great energy
  • 2nd foul on Robin. That's NOT GOOD. Collins coming in at the 7:15 mark was not part of the game plan
  • What's the over/under on Jarron Collins flops? 2? 3?
  • Nash 3 brings it to 13-14 w/ 6:15 to go
  • Gasol goes right at Collins and powers through him for two in the paint. P-Jax don't mess around. He ALWAYS attacks your weakest point
  • 16-16 with 5:53 to go. We have the 16. Odom in for Pau
  • Jarron draws a 2nd foul on Kobe after a rebound just be getting in his way and being a pain in the ass
  • Amare already has 13 and 6!!! Thanks you to Brett seated to my right for pointing that out!
  • Suns energy is fantastic! Suns up 24-18. PJax called another TO. I am giving this run to the fans
  • Dragic in for JRich as Kobe sits
  • Jarron draws another foul! This time on Pau - his 2nd
  • Suns go to a match-up zone. Odom picks up his 2nd. Tightly called game which might explain Adam Morrison although I don't think anything really explains Adam Morrison
  • Damn, Amare. 17 and 7 with 2 min to go
  • Steve's missed a couple of easy mid-range shots so far
  • The Lakers second unit w/o Kobe works like this: pass the ball around until the clock winds down and whoever is left holding the ball shoots, misses and then Pau or Lamar gets a put back. That's how the last two possessions went anyway
  • Nash hits an easy mid-range pull-up proving how brilliant I am. Suns up 31-24 at the end of one
  • Kinda shocked the Suns dropped 31 on the Lakers but that's all on Max Contract - 17/8. Wow. Suns up 13-9 on the boards

2nd Qtr

  • Time to see how the bench is going to do...Josh Powell hits a shot. Not the bench I was talking about
  • Brown hits a 3 to cut it to 31-29. Kobe is in w/ Bynum and a bunch of other dudes. Robin back in to give Amare a break
  • Great pass from Goran on the fast break to find Robin wide open at the rim. Great job by Robin running the floor. Bynum wasn't in the same zip code
  • Grant getting to the line is the extent of the offense with no Amare and Nash. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Suns up 37-29
  • Suns spending a little too much time in the zone. No way the Lakers don't figure that out eventually. You end up with Robin on Artest and Hill on Bynum too many times
  • The Double Rejections! By Lou and then Robin! Great hustle play gets the crowd pumped. Suns follow up with two or three OReb and Goran finally takes control, drives, finds Robin for an open dunk
  • Suns outworking the Lakers but a couple shots from LA keeping it tight. 40-38
  • Nash and Amare back in. Nice run for the bench
  • The zone has worm out its welcome as Fisher hits an open corner three but Lou comes right back with a follow dunk prompting Phil to call another TO
  • Amare picks right up where he left off. Gets in the lane and draws a bunch of D so he chucks it at the rim and goes right after it
  • Lakers take the lead 47-46 with 2 min to go
  • Amare not getting the calls anymore...Lakers hitting three's
  • Lakers tearing apart the Suns zone and locking it down on D. Up 53-46 with 22 sec to go in the 1/2
  • Amare with only 2 pts in the qtr which is a big reason Suns are down 53-46

3rd Qtr

  • How do you go from shooting 57% in the 1st qtr to 38.6% for the half? Hmmm...let me bust out the mad math skillz. Going 5 for 23 will do it. Yup...that will do it. Suns had 40 points when Nash and Amare came in at 4:27.
  • Lakers went on a 20-6 run to end the half and outscore the Suns 29-15 in the qtr. That's not going to get it done
  • So Amare  gets stripped by Artest. Artest goes down court and jacks up a three. Misses which leads to a wide open look at the rim for JRich. Basketball is a funny game sometimes
  • All the time really
  • Gentry forces to call and early time out that probably went something like this, "Come on, guys. Get your heads out of your asses and play some fucking defense!". But not that tactful or polite
  • Nash stretching between plays and generally not looking good
  • Remember about 15 bullets ago when the Suns were outworking the Lakers. That is not the case now
  • Suns down 62-52 with 8 min to go. Not playing well at all
  • Suns rolling over and playing dead now...really flat. I am not looking forward to obnoxious Lakers fans cheering loudly as their team rolls over the Suns. Time to pick this shit up! Down 54-66 with 6:46 to go
  • Body language is defeated. Heads hanging. Asses dragging. Gentry responds by bringing Lou and Dudley into the game but it's probably too late for that down 15
  • Jason Richardson has done nothing in this game. Horrible night for him
  • Lou gets the crowd pumped with a block on Kobe. Hill's transition bucket cuts it to 11 after Artest airballs a three
  • Old people kissing....still kind of gross
  • Old people wearing #13 hitting three's...still very cool. 10pt game with 2:17 to go. 65-75
  • Grant going to the locker room after getting hit in the face by Vujacic with an off arm swing on a lay up attempt. Sure he will be back soon. Looked like maybe a split lip
  • Amare's two FT's cut it to 6. Nice run since Lou came in at the 5:45 mark with the Suns down 54-69
  • JRich misses a wide open three that would have been big
  • Since he missed it was small
  • Goran and Jarron in for Amare and Steve. Suns down 71-75 with 38 sec to go
  • Lamar hits the last bucket but Suns did a good job cutting it to a 4 point game. 73-77
  • When they say it is a game of runs them mean this game which has been full of 'em. 17-6 to end the quarter

4th Qtr

  • Suns playing solid D and Lou and Goran doing the scoring! Lou is the player of the game so far. Nice 3 from Goran!
  • Jarron draws a charge. That's what he does. 1 point game! 80-81
  • Lob to Lou!!! From Collins!!!! Suns up 81-81. A lob from Jarron to Lou? I can honestly say I've never seen that before nor have I even imagined it
  • ...at least for a second
  • This at least is going to be interesting down the stretch which is a LOT better than things looked about 15 bullets ago
  • Hill back in
  • What a great rebound from Dragic! Came all the way across the court to rip the ball from Kobe
  • Robin back in. Suns down 83-86 with 7min to go
  • Big hand for Dragic as he goes out. That rebound was fantastic
  • Suns getting open three's but missing a lot of them
  • Tough sequence from the refs. Kobe trapped on the sideline after picking up his dribble...dribbles again then a questionable out of bounds call. Lakers up 88-83 with 5:37
  • Bad game from Robin. He's seeming like he been lost most of the night
  • Gentry with the double T after losing his shit following Gasol smashing Lou across the face
  • Gasol hits a turn around to put the Lakers up 95-84 with 4:30 to go
  • Jason finally hits a three. 6 point game. Fisher answers. Damn
  • Nash answers with a 2. 98-91 Lakers.3:11
  • JRich w/ a great pump fake on Kobe and has a floater rattle in and out. Tough break

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Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Mar 12, 2010 9:37 PM MST reply actions  

I HATE THE LAKERS

I hate Kobe.
I hate Artest.
I hate Vujacic.
I hate the rest of the Lakers.
I hate Laker fans.
I hate NBA referees.
And I hate David Stern & Co. for letting the refereeing get this bad.

by brian13 on Mar 12, 2010 9:47 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

good game

Hey, am I the only one who is pleased by most of this game (not the second quarter)? I thought everyone except Robin Lopez (who was awful) played well. I was impressed by the run that tied it up and made it close. And we aren’t supposed to beat these jerks, after all.

by 8472species on Mar 12, 2010 10:00 PM MST reply actions  

I said this in the overflow thread but it went dead so I'll say it again...

Seem’s like this loss really deflated everyone…
It’s okay though…I know t he first quarter got our hopes up but it’s not a big deal to lose to the Lakers…

We get a night off and have a fairly easy game against New Orleans…(Although Collinson and Thorton are two scary ass rookies), we then get a gimme with Minnesota then get to get some sort of redemption in playing Utah again….(Not to mention how important this game is for our confidence and seeding purposes since it appears we will play the Jazz in the playoffs and I’d rather have home court advantage then having to play in Utah where the Jazz are absolutely JACKED)
The the rest of the Month is a banged up Portland Team, The D-League audition team in Golden State, The Knicks, Minnesota again, Chicago, and New Jersey….If we play like we’re supposed to we could EASILY go 8-1 or 9-0.

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by TheRza82 on Mar 12, 2010 10:06 PM MST reply actions  

glass half full

I must be an iconoclast, Rza, because I found the Suns’ ability to take away the Lakers’ big lead encouraging.

by 8472species on Mar 12, 2010 10:10 PM MST up reply actions  

True...

But is that anything new? We’re pros at doing that but we also didn’t execute that ill advised pass by Nash at the end to Amundson was heart wrenching. Not sure how to blame that one on….I think Nash since he should of just reset the Offense and drew up a play for Hill or STAT.

Also…Nash’s back really seems to be bothering him in shooting…His long range shots just look flat. I hope Barbosa is back in a week or two although doubtful just so we can give Nash less and less minutes…I don’t want to see him playing anymore than 28 minutes.

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by TheRza82 on Mar 12, 2010 10:15 PM MST up reply actions  

*who to blame

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by TheRza82 on Mar 12, 2010 10:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree with Rza -- not the end of the world. We were a bit rusty and the refs screwed us.

If we played the Lakers again on Sunday I think we’d beat them (that is if we have impartial refs).

by Jack Frost on Mar 12, 2010 10:15 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey Seth.. Why do you say this game is a "step in the direction" of the end of the world?

You said yourself in the Preview that it is only one game. Why change your tune now?

by Jack Frost on Mar 12, 2010 10:16 PM MST reply actions  

b/c it's still the Lakers :)

besides, every step is towards the end. Not a bad loss…I’ll stick w/ that

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by Seth Pollack on Mar 12, 2010 10:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Great LOSS! I can’t believe I just said that. The Lakers played great D. We all knew they were going to use this game to prove that they’re still the Champs and aren’t on the downfall like most people think because of their recent struggles. On the other hand you have to admit that the Suns missed a ton of open threes that we usually make. Plus, Nash isn’t a 100%. The most important thing is that we showed we can compete with a laker team that is at 100% health while we aren’t and that we still had a chance to beat the Lakers despite a very poor shooting night.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 12, 2010 10:18 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

missing our best passer in luke walton

kobe is banged up,shannons hand is really dinged up,farmar is slightly injured,and sasha’s brain is damaged.

but yes we are the closest to healthy we have been in awhile actually.

the suns played with heart tonight something i didnt think they could do.

good luck and i hope we see you in the playoffs

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by Czheck on Mar 12, 2010 11:20 PM MST up reply actions  

is sasha the only player

that is hated as much by his own fans as other teams fans?

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by Czheck on Mar 12, 2010 11:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t have a problem with Sasha. I like to make fun of him because of his name, but I don’t have a problem with him.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 12, 2010 11:31 PM MST up reply actions  

ha, thats great to hear

I really hate Sasha. Glad to know Laker fans hate him too

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 13, 2010 6:53 AM MST up reply actions  

WHY would she date him?

If that’s true…there’s only one reason why she’d be dating him: he’s a Laker.

Also, maybe she’s interested to see if his self-given nickname of “The Machine” translates to more than the basketball court. Maybe.

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by Trevor Paxton on Mar 13, 2010 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

You know what sucks other than the loss is...

Suns 26 losses
Spurs 25 L
Jazz 22 L
Thunder 24 L (!)

Steve Nash plays D!!

by phxsuns on Mar 12, 2010 10:25 PM MST reply actions  

honestly...

These Lakers do not scare me. They’re hardly the 1980s Lakers. They’re beatable.

by 8472species on Mar 12, 2010 10:27 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Anyone see the replay

of that trap on Kobe where it looked like he dribbled, got trapped and then split the double team and dribbled some more?

Is that how it went down?

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by Seth Pollack on Mar 12, 2010 10:34 PM MST reply actions  

I didn't

And Stern is probably confiscating the game tape as we speak…

Steve Nash plays D!!

by phxsuns on Mar 12, 2010 10:36 PM MST up reply actions  

One of the Suns jarred the ball loose, either Amare or Grant Hill

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by Gil Meriken on Mar 13, 2010 12:23 AM MST up reply actions  

even Adrian Wojnarowski

tweeted how he couldn’t believe Kobe got away with that.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 13, 2010 6:54 AM MST up reply actions  

A reason to hate Sasha Vujacic More.....WHY MARIA?

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by TheRza82 on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 PM MST reply actions  

Lopez has been disappointing as of late. He wants to be the enforcer for this team, but doesn’t know how. I hope he can learn from his mistakes and learn what being an enforcer really means. Also, I hope he can improve his rebounding over the summer. He does that and we finally have a real Center.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 12, 2010 10:39 PM MST reply actions  

The Main Problem with Fropez is...

Teams are actually scouting for him now. Kind of like Frye earlier in the Year…he was the last thing on the defense’s mind then he started lighting it up and he was then scouted and well guarded which eventually lead to his benching. I know I maybe in the minority but I just think Lopez is better as a bench guy. He sometimes breaks down in games and if things aren’t going his way his effort seems to diminish. It could just be growing pains but we aren’t really in a position to have a struggling starter. I agree with you, Beavis. I hope over the summer he can learn how position himself better for the rebound over the off season…As well as add some muscle on his frame and maybe add a little range to his offensive game…A more consistent hook shot and maybe a little jumper from 10-12 feet and he could easily score 12+ on a nightly basis. If other teams have a strong post (The Lakers) they can keep him from the rim and if isn’t within about 5 feet he’s pretty useless.

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by TheRza82 on Mar 12, 2010 10:46 PM MST up reply actions  

So does Lopez need to get stronger?

by 8472species on Mar 12, 2010 10:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Well...

I wouldn’t say strength is a TOP issue but it wouldn’t hurt hitting the weights this off season. Big strong centers (Example: Bynum) seem to box him out easily and give him trouble on both ends. I think it’s a mixture of strength and relative inexperience. He hasn’t even started 30 games yet. Rebounding is about angles and anticipating where the ball is going to be. That’s how Duncan gets a lot of his rebounds especially this late in his career. He just had like a 30 rebound game…He isn’t the fastest, biggest, strongest, most athletic post player in but he knows how to angle himself for a rebound…Just like how he can hit a bank shot from any angle.

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by TheRza82 on Mar 12, 2010 10:56 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree. However, I think he should focus primarily on lifting weights and rebounding over the summer. His offense can come later. In the mean time he can continue to practice his free throw shooting.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 12, 2010 11:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry, I said that wrong. He should Always practice his free throw shooting, but I think he should focus on developing a good defensive game before improving his offense.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 12, 2010 11:11 PM MST up reply actions  

While...

I agree in part I don’t think the defensive game is his problem..Simply putting on weight will help him be a better defensive player. Doing good on offense ALWAYS motivates a player on the defensive end…I’m not saying focus only on offense but maybe adding a little hook at some range up 10-12 feet could go a long way in both defense and offense. He seems like a hard worker so I am not worried. He is basically a rookie this year and getting pwned by Gasol and Bynum isn’t anything to cry about.

Doesn’t it feel good to actually talk about young players? Two years ago under Mike D we had no young talent to look forward too….I know I almost shot myself when Kerr drafted Lopez it seems to be paying off for the most part…

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by TheRza82 on Mar 13, 2010 12:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Goods points Rza...

I think some of this stuff is growing pains. Being a bigman in the NBA is tough as it is, but being a young bigman is brutal. There are many growing pains as you point out, and naturally, the refs tend to give the benefit on close/marginal calls to the bigger names and more experienced player/s.

I also agree with you about the issue of motivation and work ethic — much can be overcome through hard work and preparation. Also, putting on some extra weight, especially muscle mass will help Robin in the paint against bigger players like Bynum. I think we’ll continue to see growth when he does start to bulk up a bit…

by Jack Frost on Mar 13, 2010 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

He was HORRIBLE on the boards. No, no—more accurately, he was nothing on the boards, because that’s what he got. Nothing.

by 8472species on Mar 12, 2010 10:47 PM MST up reply actions  

wow...

Id rather talk about if the league will upgrade gasols foul. Or if they will even consider looking at I think it was Odem shoving Lue into the lakers bench? Either way I guess the Suns faught hard and didnt back down. That is a small step towards the right direction if you ask me.

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by antiw0rm on Mar 12, 2010 11:03 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

the suns organization can't say it, well Gentry did thats why he got thrown out...

THE REFS CAN SUCK IT!!!. I know the suns missed a lot of FG and made key turnovers but still, the suns could have won this one. I wouldn’t be surprise if they overlook Gasol’s foul and that shove by Odom. How the F. can they not see that Shi on the friggin replay all they have to do is look up. It is on the big screen.

(deep breaths)

Tough loss suns got screwed tonight. I hope the suns win the rest as we get back Leandro and Channing.

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by Larfleeze on Mar 12, 2010 11:31 PM MST up reply actions  

you Lou didn't help himself

when he got flagranted by Gasol (what a pansy!) and shoved by Odom, all he did was absorb the contact and concentrate on his landing to make sure he didn’t hurt himself. He should have mixed in a little acting to make sure the refs knew how flagrant each was. He’s just too damn tough for his own good.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 13, 2010 6:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Because Lou is all about the effort and not the pizzazz. I can appreciate that. It is a sign of a real tough player that is not dirty.

This is the antithesis of most players. They act tough but throw up an act proving they are just pansies (Gasol, Ginobli, pretty much every other player). Just shut up and be a man. No, Shut up and be LOUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!

by Suns Fan For Life on Mar 13, 2010 7:49 AM MST up reply actions  

dking doesnt really like me..

He didn’t like that I was annoyed that this blog flammed Robin for his ‘dirty’ play. But thats ok. He can spend time find reason why my comments make him mad all day. I kind of like it.

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by antiw0rm on Mar 13, 2010 10:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I was at the game

I was sitting around a bunch of rowdy Laker fans, screaming at the top of my lungs; now I have no voice & my Suns lost anyway… F my life

by SunsFTW on Mar 12, 2010 11:59 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Collins!

I thought our team did a great job, while showing plenty of flaws and committing untimely mistakes we were within reach to still beat this team. Lakers are definitely not the team everyone thought they were going to be at the beginning of the season.

Finally, Collins gets some playing time and performed exactly as he was supposed to, with the exception of maybe that 2nd lob pass at the basket. He certainly showed Lopez up. If Lopez played at all in this game we would have won it. Amundson was a complete bad ass….Nash obviously still needs some more rest for his lingering injuries.

I felt overall that it was a good game (minus crap ref calls) and I didn’t cry as much as I usually do when the Lakers stomp us.

by huffgarr on Mar 13, 2010 12:26 AM MST reply actions  

Yes!

Collins played great! He will be a huge help down the stretch against bigger teams, if Gentry would play him.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 13, 2010 7:00 AM MST up reply actions  

He at least proved

That given the chance, he can contribute. I was wondering for what reason we kept him on the roster after Lopez came back, aside from maybe a big body for practice and a way to fill out the roster. Last night showed me that reason.

Great job, Collins.

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by Trevor Paxton on Mar 13, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I feel like there are too many people who let referees off the hook.

It’s a tough job. I’m not saying there’s a fix. And I’m not saying the outcome would have been different tonight if it was actually a well officiated game. But to give them a pass, just because “there are always some questionable calls” isn’t right.

There are many things wrong with NBA officials. Part is their own fault and part I blame on the league. It’s inexcusable to allow referees to give preferential treatment to certain players because they are stars, for referees to wait to see whether a shot drops until they do or don’t call a foul, and for players to get away with traveling every other possession, etc.

Something has to be done to fix the officiating.

by brian13 on Mar 13, 2010 12:28 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

The officiating? Really?

Los Angeles Lakers, 25 personal fouls.
Phoenix Suns, 13.

That includes a 3rd quarter in which, I believe, 0 fouls were called on the Suns.

And anyone is going to have the gall to complain about biased officiating in this game?

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by Mike Lisboa on Mar 13, 2010 12:53 AM MST reply actions  

I couldn't watch the game

but are you implying that just because a team got called for more personal fouls that that gives them a free pass later in the game? Me thinks not. I just want the right call.

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by phxsuns on Mar 13, 2010 2:29 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 13, 2010 7:01 AM MST up reply actions  

The right call

Of course, in a perfect world the right call gets made every time. But it doesn’t. Ever. And it won’t until some invents the RefBot 3000 (now I know what to do with my weekend).

There were far greater factors in last night’s loss than a blown double dribble call and a borderline flagrant. Notable, the Suns starting backcourt going 4-15 from downtown, Bynum and Gasol (15-23 FG) having their way in the paint, and the Suns centers “combining” for 3 rebounds.

So, yes, at the end of the game when I see the Suns doubled up the Lakers in drawing fouls, I’m going to say that the Suns got more than their fair share of good calls and there are bigger, more salient fish to fry in looking at contributing factors to this loss.

And yet, it never fails: the Suns lose a close game; the refs are to blame. Not a cold shooting backcourt. Not a soft interior defense. Not a bench that didn’t bother to show up until the 3rd quarter. Not a Laker defense that held the Suns to 42.5% shooting. Not a Suns team that got a 4th quarter lead and gave it back.

You don’t have to take my word for it. Just go back and read every comment section of a close (or not) Suns loss and inevitably the same tired excuses about refs and David Stern get trotted out. It’s old.

PS – if Lou makes that same play on Gasol, he’s lauded as a hero today. Lou was tearing up the Lakers inside. So what if Gasol wanted to send a message? That was way more of a legit “enforcer” play than Lopez’ shove of Kirilenko. Was it a Flagrant 1? Probably. But to focus on that play or a freaking double dribble in a game in which the Suns were clearly struggling to put the ball in the basket and had an almost 2:1 advantage in fouls called is absurd.

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by Mike Lisboa on Mar 13, 2010 9:40 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

+1

Refs getting blamed in games like this is absolutely embarrasing. Shootng 42% and going 6/21 from three MAYBE had something to do with it. Call me crazy.

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by Scott Howard on Mar 13, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

+1. I blamed the shooting too. The Lakers played some good D, but we missed a lot of open looks that we usually make. This game was much like the Dallas game a couple weeks ago. Not a big deal. This was a good loss. Everybody except Lopez gave it all they got.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 13, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree

except the Suns actually did pretty well in the paint. The Lakers only scored 40 points in the paint and only had 20 second chance points on 12 OReb. That’s not bad at all….

Fisher and Artest hit big three’s (6 of them) while the Suns couldn’t find the range at all

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by Seth Pollack on Mar 13, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Are you trying to tell us that there aren't major officiating problems in the NBA?

We don’t need a RefBot 3000, we just need competent officials and league management to fix things.

by brian13 on Mar 13, 2010 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Sort of.

It is what it is. As long as people are making the calls, you’re going to have bad and blown calls, favoritism (perceived or actual) and various other errors in judgment.

What solutions would you propose?

New officials? We saw that with the replacement refs. Ouch.

Fines for officials? That leads to even more whistle-swallowing.

Calling every play to the letter of the NBA law? Hope you like 3 hour games.

Letting’em play? Say hi to injuries and more complaints about dirty plays.

Transparency? It sounds like a great idea, but then what? Let’s say the NBA (or even a statistician with a LOT of time on his or her hands) gets all techno-savvy and Googlicious by creating a database of refs and the calls they make and against what players and teams. Say for example that an offical calls more traveling violations on Devin Harris than Dwyane Wade. Does that mean that official is biased toward Dwyane Wade or that Wade simply travels less? Is the ref supposed to call more travels on Wade then to “even things out?”

RefBot 3000 is just like the perfectly officiated game: it does not and will not ever exist.

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by Mike Lisboa on Mar 13, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Yes. We need a mix of all that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090528&sportCat=nba

and like I said. We dont need a perfectly officiated game or a refbot 3000, just one that’s done competently.

by brian13 on Mar 13, 2010 8:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I just want the same calls.

I could care less if there are too many, not enough, really bad, not enough bad.. .whatever the flavor it should be the same on both ends of the floor for the entire game.

Thats what I want.

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by antiw0rm on Mar 13, 2010 9:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree

the refs can be overcome. Two bad calls do not win or lose games 99% of the time. Making shots and/or playing D win games. Again I couldn’t watch the game but everything you wrote seems like a reason we lost the game and it was close too. Can I REC your comment? I will since you dish out Recs.

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by phxsuns on Mar 13, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think...

the suns would have won or that those affected the game much… I take the loss for what it was regardless. However, I do feel that the Suns and a select few other teams in the league get treated like crap by the league office for whatever reason. I just want some fairness in the rulings. I think the Pacer game suspensions where as fair as I’ve seen in a long time regardless of it was right. I’d like to see that same fairness everytime.

Also you have to consider everything effects everything. The Suns shot crapy and bricked a lot of threes. The defense fell apart. And in just about every game the rules change at half time. It’s not fair to say one thing effected the win or loss as really with out some statistics bot / cause and effect meter that hasnt been invented yet we cant really tell what caused what can we?

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by antiw0rm on Mar 13, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

The only questionable calls in my opinion...

was the Kobe double dribble and Lou getting whacked in the face by Gasol. I know Gasol isn’t a dirty player but if Stu Jackson can seriously say that CHANNING FRYE threw a punch, then why should Pau be an exception? Seriously, the replay looked pretty bad. If that play was done to a star player, it’d probably be a flagrant 2. Also, Kobe did double dribble. I don’t believe that “Kobe threw it off Stoudemire and ran through the double team” crap. He double dribbled and as phxsuns humorously put it, David Stern is probably confiscating that tape right now >_>.

Also, I’m seriously starting to get pissed off at Sasha Vujacic. That bastard plays dirty and just constantly gets away with horrible reach-ins. I don’t like his style of play and he seems like a cocky …..

by NashMV3 on Mar 13, 2010 1:52 AM MST reply actions  

All in all

Good game on the Suns part. I saw a lot of fight and heart in their play. I know there were some rough stretches, but the D’antoni Suns would have probably either let the game slip away or end up doing nothing but chucking in 3s until they can outscore the Lakers. The Gentry Suns are fighters and actually are trying to develop a strong defensive philosophy. Also, I greatly applaud Gentry for sticking up for Lou. Coaches seriously need to learn from Alvin Gentry. Definitely one loyal man and one of class too. As Tom says, Gentry’s never been seen this heated so that play must really have been bad.

by NashMV3 on Mar 13, 2010 1:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes, Gentrys Suns are fighters

Its really too bad Nash looks like he’s 37 right now

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 13, 2010 7:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Good game

I was happy with the way the suns played this game, was abit disappointed to come up empty handed but thats normal to feel like that.

i thought the above summary of the game was pretty spot on, and the suns defiantly shouldnt drop there heads over this loss.

Lou was unreal, when he plays like that i wonder why he isnt a starter or playing atleast 20min a game. Is it possible lou could play SF when grant packs up shop in a year or 2?

I gotta pull you up on this thought seth, you didnt give enough credit to amare 2nyt. Amare played a really good game, watching the game he was busting his ass from start to finish. And he even had 14 boards. Yes he had an amazing first quarter but did you seriously think phil jackson and the lakers where gonna keep letting him play like that for the hole game? in saying that amare still come up with points through out the next 3/4 quarters when the suns looked like they might be drying up offensively.

I mean you cant take the spotlight off Lou 2nyt, he was outstanding but don’t forget amare played very well 2nyt.

Nash claims his back is fine but he still didnt look right to me 2nyt, and that pass as the end was horrible.

Im interested to see what well do with jason richardson at the end of this season, he shows spurts of being a good SG, but then we get to see the jrich we seem to see to much through a game, and thats the jrich doing nothing, stagnant on offense, not creating anything off the dribble. But then as i said hell come up and have 5mins of great play and get the rim or make some space for a shot. stuffed if i know why he cant do this more through out a game.
Will be very interesting to see what happens with him at the end of the season, cuz i dunno if the above description of a starting SG is enough to be worth 15mil

by bassy500 on Mar 13, 2010 4:53 PM MST reply actions  

You are right about Amare

he did have a great all around game I tend to not mention that too much in the recap b/c it’s become common place….

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by Seth Pollack on Mar 13, 2010 5:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Ohk, well that makes sense seth

by bassy500 on Mar 13, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

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