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What does 1 D-League game tell us about Earl Clark?


Earl Clark got his first burn in the D-League last night and did pretty darn well (see Seth's write-up here).  27 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists and a block.  Sure it's only 1 game, but what does that tell us about Earl?  Or, about the Suns?

After an overnight of reflection, I don't think it tells us anything about Earl that we didn't already know.  Earl has uber-talent.  He was touted as having enough talent to have been a top-5 pick in the draft last spring.  He's 6-10" and he can pass, shoot (don't laugh now), rebound, and play defense.  At Louisville, he was credited with being a very good team player and floor leader.  But he dropped to the Suns at 14 due to questions about his "fire".  And some of us questioned the pick at times this season as we watched yet another ill-advised jumper clang off the rim. 

But I think that, for the most part, we all were witholding final judgment until *next* season.  After all, Lopez and Dragic looked terrible last year and look where they are now.  Earl could do the same.

So Earl is plenty-talented.  And so were Lopez and Dragic last year.

So why does Earl look SO bad with the Suns this year?  Especially while players with lesser pedigree do so well on other teams (Marcus Thorton (2nd round), Sundiata Gaines, Anthony Tolliver and 4 other D-league-turned-Warriors, to name a few)?

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Maybe it's the Suns system?  The Suns rely on rhythm and teamwork and high-percentage shots.  Oh, and they want to win more games than they lose.

The Warriors offense is iso-heavy.  You score when you can score, whether it's putting up a long 3-ball or driving to the hoop or shooting a contested 20-footer.  If you make your shots, you can stay in the game.  Defense is filler.  And if the other team scores more points, who cares (Warriors lose twice as many games as they win).  A Warriors game is like an All-Star game.  Everyone's trying to make the coolest-looking play.  Winning is optional.

The Hornets are devastated by injury and suffocated by lack of wing talent (Devin BrownMorris Peterson?), which conspired to open up big minutes for Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton this season.  And they are filling up the stat sheet nightly as a result.  The team is even playing around .500 ball, a credit to Jeff Bowyer and a good system.  but they are not threats for the post-season.   And that's a huge disappointment in the big easy.  Just 2 years ago, the Hornets were the hot young team poised for a WCF appearance.

Then there's Oklahoma City - the latest hot young team.  OKC has great young talent, and are tied with the Suns in the playoff standings.  What a model franchise huh?  Well, when those great players were rookies, how many games did they win?  There's a reason the Thunder picked #2 overall (Durant), #4 overall (Westbrook) and #4 overall (local guy James Harden) in back-to-back-to-back seasons - because they didn't win many games in the first 2 of those seasons (or in many seasons prior to that).  Durant and Westbrook got a LOT of burn in their rookie seasons, and winning was optional.

So, I really think we need to put Earl's season in perspective.  On a lesser team, or one devastated by injury (Amare or even Lou), he might have played a lot this season.  Maybe even getting us all lathered up over his potential.  But he would be making lots of mistakes out there too.  And he'd likely be on a roller-coaster of good games followed by bad ones.

And the Suns would not be 42-26 right now, readying themselves for a postseason run that *might* *could* be better than any in several years.

So let's give Earl and the Suns a pass (for now), and thank the D-League for giving him some burn.  I'm glad he's been on the Suns bench all season rather than in Iowa.  He's learning how to win, and how to fit in.  Just give him a summer of reflection and growth, and I'll bet we see a much better version of him next season.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 18, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually don’t expect too much out of Earl Clark next season. If Grant Hill stays for one more year there is still no room in the rotation for Clark.

The only way I see Clark getting minutes is if Amar’e leaves. Chances are we will resign Lou. If Amar’e stays for one more year than I think Grant does too. The Forward positions are still filled. I honestly don’t expect Clark to have a break-out year next year like Dragic and Lopez did this year. I think he will in his 3rd year though. So, with all that said it really depends what we do in the off-season to determine whether Clark will make the rotation.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 18, 2010 11:26 AM MDT reply actions  

I really think his talent will come through

next season, and I also think the Suns mgmt will make sure, one way or another, that he’s projected into the top-9 players.

Who knows what next year’s rotation will be, but these guys will pretty certainly be in the regular rotation thanks to their value of contract vs. producitivity (not necessarily all in starting 5, of course):
Nash, Hill, Duds, Dragic and Lopez… and very likely Clark

That’s 6 guys. LB, JRich, Amare, Lou and Channing are up in the air, because of contract situations.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 18, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have felt all season that Earl will jump ahead of Dudley on the depth chart and be our starting 3 when Hill leaves

I’m not too sure what to think of the d-league performance as i’m not convinced about the general talent level. I am impressed about the 5 assists though and if Clark can maintain that part of his game and eventually produce like that consistently in the NBA then that can only be good for the suns, especially after Nash leaves/retires. I don’t see Dragic (while i’m really high on him) as a guy who’ll ever be a 10apg guy who can completely dictate the offense like Nash does, so if Earl can develop into a second playmaker on the wings in the mold of an Iggy, Turkoglu, Johnson (i’m not suggesting he’ll necessarily be anywhere near as good as those guys) then that would be great.

by DaveJD on Mar 18, 2010 12:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Clark in the rotation

I agree that he will find a spot on the depth chart, but projectile vomit over the notion that he would jump ahead of JMZ (Dudley). I have a feeling Barbosa’s minutes are going to start funneling into Dudley minutes, because Dudley doesn’t require offense to stay on the court, but LB does. Thus, Dudley will probably slide into the backup 2-guard spot ahead of LB so Clark can fill the backup 3. I foresee the FO trying to move LB in the off season simply because the Suns are trying to become much more balanced as a team.

by ajotanelsona on Mar 18, 2010 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I get what you say about Dudley

but i just don’t see him being althletic enough to be a long-term starter, don’t get me wrong he’s way more athletic than me but i worry that he could be exposed with long periods playing starters minutes, i think he’d be much more efficient as a bench spark ‘D+3’ guy.

I agree with possibly trading LB, with Dragics development i just don’t see a place for him here anymore. Of course it depends on what the FO plan on doing with J-rich but if we could move him for a defensive minded SG (like Ronnie Brewer, Sefolosha, Lee etc) and move J-rich to a 6th man role then i could see that really benefiting our team, (i know its the wrong time of year for this but my favourite trade idea is Barbosa for Hasheem Thabeet and a resigned Ronnie Brewer).

by DaveJD on Mar 18, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

well...

Dudley can start, I believe, for a long time (as your 4th or 5th best starter). He could be a taller Raja Bell (playing SF rather than SG). Like a Battier or Bowen. He doesn’t need to do any more than he does now, he just needs more minutes as Grant wears down. Every team needs one of him in their lineup.

And then you had to mention Thabeet: no way he fits here. Personal problem on my part, I guess. Just don’t like him.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 18, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Barbosa for Hasheem Thabeet and a resigned Ronnie Brewer would never happen.... not enough value for the grizz

i think dudley can be that glue guy on offense… he can defend pretty well because he gives good effort, makes all the hustle plays, and can spot up… most good teams have a guy like him….

by Superelkman on Mar 18, 2010 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think barbosa is our best chip to trade...

he had more value with another team than with us so i think if we can get an above-average rotation guy for him it would be worth it

by Superelkman on Mar 18, 2010 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think J-Rich will be our best trade chip 14mil next yr expiring contract..plus he can still ball

by marques m on Mar 23, 2010 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

According to Dking in the other Earl Clark thread, Clark did a good job on LeBron James. If that’s true, it probably didn’t get enough attention.

by 8472species on Mar 18, 2010 12:36 PM MDT reply actions  

did I say he did a good job on LBJ?

I remember saying he can play D against bigger wing players like no one we’ve had before, but I don’t remember an LBJ comment. Maybe I’d had a few by then ;)

I do remember him doing well on Blake Griffin in summer league (and other guards and forwards), and on Corey Maggette earlier in the regular season in the 4th quarter of a game we came back to win (where Maggette had killed us during the first 3 quarters). I love his footwork – always having good balance – and his length.

I do think he’d do better on Durant and other tall wingmen than any other Suns defenders could do, but that’s just hopes-and-dreams at this point till we see it.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 18, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup…you said he did “excellent” on James and on Corey Maggette.

by 8472species on Mar 18, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

oops

Sorry— it wasn’t you, it was 7footer. My mistake.

by 8472species on Mar 18, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep, it was me...

It would be hard to prove either of those statements now without having access to the games, unless one of you knows how to pull of those types of customized stats. But yes, Earl’s defense on Maggette is arguably what won us that game against the Clips when Maggette was having a field day with Grant and Dudly, until Earl came in and all but shut him down.

Likewise, Earl played most of the fourth quarter against the Cavs after it was already a blowout. And, from the time he went in and guarded LBJ, his production was greatly quieted. Granted, it was too little too late in the case of the Cavs, but it makes you wonder how well Lebron would have done against Clark if he was the primary defender for the entire game.

Earl was actually drafted for his athleticism and especially his defensive ability. He’s a long, lean 6’10 SF/PF hibrid with outstaning agility and horizontal quickness. He will be a great assett for our team on both sides of the court once his offense starts clicking again. Don’t worry, his stroke at Louisville was consistent, and I’m sure he will get back to that (and more) once he calms down and figures out the system better.

by 7footer on Mar 19, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you sure it was LeBron he was guarding and not some Cavs scrub?

I can’t remember but i wouldn’t have thought James would be playing late in a blowout cavs win.

I agree about his defensive ability though. Hopefully in a few years he could be our stopper on the wings.

by DaveJD on Mar 19, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was Lebron...

At least until late in the game. Clark was on Lebron for quite a while in that game, since it got out of hand so quickly. Even though he was able to basically stifle Lebron, it wasn’t nearly enough to make much difference by that point.

by 7footer on Mar 19, 2010 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now that I think about. I’m pretty sure Barbosa and J-Rich are gone in the off-season. They will be traded for a 1st round pick and hopefully a wing defender that can start. Dudley can always be moved to the back-up 2 and Clark can take the backup 3. We can resign Amundson and hopefully Amare stays for one more year. I’m not so sure about Fyre; I wouldn’t mind him being traded. We could always replace him with a more physical big-man perhaps through trade or draft.

Overall, we make a few roster changes to improve the team through trade and draft. Than Amar’e stays for one more year and we move Clark into the rotation. Than we can give it one more shot at an NBA Championship.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 18, 2010 2:30 PM MDT reply actions  

risky

Trading both the shooting guards at once would be quite risky. I’d do it if it could get me the second pick in the draft. I’d use that to replace Richardson and Barbosa with Evan Turner.

by 8472species on Mar 18, 2010 5:01 PM MDT reply actions  

If Stat does leave this summer

we better keep J-Rich and swap Barbs for a draft pick

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by Spit_Fire on Mar 19, 2010 4:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

It shows that Clark is a player that fares much better with the ball in his hands consistantly....

it also shows that P word… potential….
I think Clark can amount to something in this league but he really needs to learn to play in the context of a team game if he wants to get some minutes in the next few years… he seems to give good effort but on offense i feel that either the ball stops with him or he doesn’t do anything to create for others…

that said… i was happy to see Clark with a nice line in his first d-league action… that said it was only a game but imagine if he stunk it up in his first game… we would all have a little different view right now

by Superelkman on Mar 18, 2010 9:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I wouldn't look at this year's "offense" from Clark as a barometer for the future

my guess is that he looks totally different next year, and we’re laughing about his “black hole” stuff. I have more confidence in Clark right now than I did in Lopez or Dragic last year (and I liked them last year, too)

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 19, 2010 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's hard to

Compare Earl to Thorton and Collison since those guys are coming in the game and playing heavy minutes. Earl on the other hand sits on the bench for HUGE stretches and comes in the game and is literally a last dtich effort. His role is defensive right now and I just think he maybe thinking too hard…He has no flow to the game…He is surronded by these veteran players and I think he is afraid sometimes just to be him…Plus, almost all our games are pretty big games. Collison and Thorton didn’t have any expectations and were told just to play. Some players can’t sit on the bench and come off and be an automatic spark while some players cant start the game and be effective the whole game…I think Clark is the former…If we are to ever see what Clark is truly made off we’ll have to give him 25 minutes+ every game.

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by TheRza82 on Mar 19, 2010 5:48 PM MDT reply actions  

25?

I think he could show his stuff in that 12-18 minute stretch like Lou and Dudley did late last season when Gentry finally uncorked the bench. In addition to his “readiness” for the NBA, I think he’s just the 11th man on a team that goes 10 deep. If Coach G needed the body, I’m sure we would have seen more of him by now.

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by Mike Lisboa on Mar 20, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah

this year he only gets in if there’s injury (which makes the burn in D-league helpful to remind him how to play).

but next year, watch out.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 20, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Hornets have nothing to play for we have been fighting for position the whole year..once Paul went down the Hornets didnt expect to do much so the rookies got a chance to play thru mistakes Clark doesn’t..I read during draft time we were going to trade up to get Thornton..Damn ESPN insider

by marques m on Mar 23, 2010 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

The fact that Clark defended LeBron James well alone should earn him mo’ minutes. I think he is the future starting small forward.

by 8472species on Mar 20, 2010 9:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Same here, i think he'll leapfrog dudley and be the starting 3 when Hill retires

unless STAT leaves this summer and we could see him as a lamar odom/rashard lewis type 4

by DaveJD on Mar 21, 2010 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

In 5 years he will be one of the top 5 best players in that draft…watching summer league he was the most impressive out of the young guys..he is a very good on ball defender and can create off the dribble…if that shot improves he can be real good

by marques m on Mar 23, 2010 9:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 24, 2010 7:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

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