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Grant Hill, Leadership, and a Little Bit of Kool-Aid Punch.

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Does anyone get the feeling that Grant Hill has his eyes on a ring this year? Not to start drinking the Kool-Aid punch (Kool-Aid + Sprite) or anything, but something about that play on Ronnie Price at the end of the Jazz game in conjunction with his general badassery on the defensive end of late got me thinking. That was a straight-up message play a la Kevin Garnett, Bill Laimbeer or Charles Oakley. You do NOT do that in in our house. Hill's 37 and playing some of the most inspired ball of his career. It's the most fired up I've seen him as a Sun. I think he's looking around at this team and his ever-shrinking shelf life as an NBA player and thinking, "Just maybe..."

I don't think this happens without the sudden emergence of Robin Lopez as a tough smart defensive post presence. (I did NOT think I would be typing that sentence this season.) Now, the Suns have shored up a huge hole in their defense and teams have to think twice about getting in the paint. Before, the worst that would happen is a weak side block if Lou was in the game or a drawn charge. Now they have a real center to deal with. For the first time in the post-Barkley era, the Suns are healthy (big knock on wood) and peaking down the stretch and not getting pushed around in the middle. I think he would never say it out loud, but Grant Hill sees this team as perhaps his last legitimate shot at a ring.

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And it's not just Hill showing an edge.  Despite blown leads the last 2 games against the Jazz, Gentry could have been content to bench his starters with a 17 point lead in the 4th last night.  Instead, he brought Nash and Stoudemire back in the game and stepped on their necks.  

In his last 5 games, Amare Stoudemire has scored 164 points on 90 shots and gone to the line 66 times making 60... That's an average of almost 35 points on 18 attempts and 12-13 FT shooting.  That's head-spinningly aggressive and efficient offensive play.

In the past, I've bemoaned Amare's lack of leadership, and I still don't think he's the floor leader he should be, but he's getting better.  And as gifted as Steve Nash is as a point guard and offensive leader, I don't think he's the alpha male required to fire up and inspire a group of professional athletes to go beyond themselves as one has to do in the crucible of the playoffs.  But Grant Hill on the other hand...

Here's a guy who's seen and done it all.  He was Lebron before Lebron: a superstar with an all-around game that defied positional assignment.  He was T-Mac before T-Mac: a ridiculously talented player with a gargantuan contract done in by injury issues and eventually discarded by the franchise he was supposed to save.  And now, maybe he gets to be something else entirely: a leader who doesn't have to carry the burden of a franchise's past or future, but simply his team's will to victory, one play at a time.

As co-captain with Stoudemire and Nash, I think he's finally filling a leadership role the team has sorely been lacking and has an offensive and defensive unit worth leading.  I'm not saying this squad will be hoisting the Larry O'Brien come June, but with the right combination of leadership, skill and determination... just maybe.

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really solid article...

everytime i watch Hill I am just so surprised how he can get his owne shot still at 37…

by Superelkman on Mar 25, 2010 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

What' funny is

that I can’t really tell what team actually feels about their chances…they just talk about getting the best seed possible, maybe getting out of the first round and then “anything is possible”

I don’t know if they are sandbagging to keep expectations in check and to keep the team hungry and avoid over confidence (a problem in the past) or what….

It is impossible not to like the way the Suns are playing right now though and with this group of players, how can you not want to see them succeed?

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by Seth Pollack on Mar 20, 2010 2:52 PM MDT reply actions  

of course

there’s not a single team in the West in the top 8 that isn’t playing really well as compared to the East where Chicago and Toronto are battling to see how can give up their playoff spot to the other…

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by Seth Pollack on Mar 20, 2010 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Some of those East teams are hapless as ever. Eh? I just wish the Celtics weren’t becoming one of them.

by 8472species on Mar 20, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

This team is good and can compete with anyone. However, as I said in my Fanpost I won’t call them a contender and I won’t say that they aren’t a contender.

Remember early on in the season when we said this team was “Nice”? In this past month we’ve been called a “Dirty” team a “better defensive team” and I would now say a tougher team. We are mentally tough. The question is whether we are talented enough to get by teams like Dallas and LA?

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 3:26 PM MDT reply actions  

You know the funny thing is that teams and people have been in denial about the Suns getting tougher and better defensively. Barkley and Coach Pop are the only guys who have actually noticed and given us credit.

Last night it took a while for the Jazz announcers to admit that were better defensively. They kept saying that they were missing a whole lot of lay-ups, but what they were forgetting to mention is that all of those lay-ups were contested as evident by our 10 blocks. I still remember when Terry said we can’t play defense and than we shut them down in the 4rth quarter. No matter our improvement we will always be known as the team that tries to outscore people and doesn’t play defense. It’s our reputation and it has stuck. It kind of frustrates me, but on the other hand its fun to surprise other teams. We aren’t a great defensive team or even that good, but we have improved despite not having one dominate defender on this team.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

we cam surprise teams all the way to the Finals for all I care

stay under the radar!

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 20, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Teams that don’t have the most talent have won rings before, Beavis. The 2004 Pistons embarrassed the Lakers.

by 8472species on Mar 20, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

True, but those Lakers had terrible chemistry. Talent alone is actually what got them that far. The Pistons were a once in a lifetime type deal. I knew they would never win a Championship again with that team after 04, but hey at least they got one. Teams like the Pistons don’t come around too often. The thing is though is that they had the best defense of all time. We have a decent defense overall, with a good offense. I’m not sure our offense is even that great anymore because of all the turnovers we get.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

You say there might not be enough talent here. If the Suns could only wring more out of Earl Clark by putting him on the floor more to guard explosive scorers. He apparently did a good job on LeBron James and Corey Maggette; I would very much like to exploit that. So Clark can’t shoot? Then tell him not to shoot.

Too bad Leandro Barbosa can’t play more minutes without pushing aside another player. Jason Richardson could play small forward (I wonder why he doesn’t—he rebounds okay), but that would push Grant Hill out. Basically, there is not much room for Barbosa.

by 8472species on Mar 20, 2010 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yea, either way I really like this team. It’s a first in a long while that I like everybody on the team. We will just have to see how far we can go…

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

nice article. Couldnt agree more about your comments about Steve and Amare as leaders. I love seeing Grant stare down Dirk and occassionally get chippy with refs. He’s completely unselfish and the boys are behind him, you can see it every time he gets knocked over and they rush to help him up. Hopefully he can step up offensively when we need him, because when he’s aggressive we’re money!

by jjle on Mar 20, 2010 3:46 PM MDT reply actions  

He will. Believe me. Grant has yet to get past the 1st round due to being on a bad team and injuries. He finally has that chance this year. He’s hungry.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wrote this on another post but it fits better here

I’ve been to a dozen games every year since Nash came back, and last night was THE best defensive, hardest-fought, most-focused game I’ve seen them play. They beat the Jazz AT THEIR GAME and when the Jazz wouldn’t go away, the Suns refused to back down even once. Sure the Suns have had more-talented teams, but none of them worked as hard as this one across the entire lineup.

I admit that several times I was like “damn these Jazz won’t die” and in the past that spelled disaster for the Suns. Not any more. I’m hooked. This team can do anything.

But I swear to the almighty Mike, if you EVER write about how ‘healthy’ we are again I’ll have to hunt you down cuz you’re jinxing us. lol. Its like saying ‘Amare has made 33 free throws in a row’ right before he clangs one. Just STFU about our health! Let it ride. Don’t jinx it. ;)

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Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.

by Alex Laugan on Mar 20, 2010 5:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Strongest team in the Nash era

I think this team is the strongest mentally. Our team runs deep all the way down the bench. All players have toughened up mentally and this team is playing some of the best basketball I’ve seen. Gentry definitely deserves credit for turning this team around. If Clark erupts next year like Goran and Lopez did this year, the Suns have a bright future. I think this year, the Suns can make a strong push for the Finals. I’m not kidding. Forget the Lakers. They’ve shown their mortality and they can be beaten. They just don’t make teams crap in their pants like the Kobe and Shaq Lakers of old. The Cavs are the only team that will destroy the Suns. I honestly think they give us severe matchup problems and I can never reiterate that enough >_<. I don’t care who the Suns play in the finals as long as it’s not the Cavaliers. Yeah I’m talking Finals. We have that kind of team. Believe it

by NashMV3 on Mar 20, 2010 5:52 PM MDT reply actions  

i agree with this....

i was more down on this team until they inserted Robin Lopez into the lineup and they have become a completely different team… i really feel like this team has the mental toughness and just enough focus on defense and rebounding plus an inspired Amare, a good as ever Nash, and enough depth to make some noise in the playoffs… i could see this team making the Western Conference Finals…

by Superelkman on Mar 24, 2010 7:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

God

I love the new found optimism around here.

I'm the resident pessimist. And I'm indefatigable.

by stevenash1326 on Mar 20, 2010 7:21 PM MDT reply actions  

He’s right. This is our toughest team of the Nash era, but its not our most talented. The 05 team holds that title.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

but the Suns have proven

they can’t win with the league’s best top-7. So maybe another way…

Twitter: @dahking
Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.

by Alex Laugan on Mar 20, 2010 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

What do you mean best top 7? What team are you referring too?

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I mean the "7 starters" year of 07 Nash, Bell, Marion, Stat, Thomas, Diaw and Barbosa. D’Antoni told anyone who would listen that we had the best top-7 in the league.

Twitter: @dahking
Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.

by Alex Laugan on Mar 20, 2010 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I mean the "7 starters" year of 07

Nash, Bell, Marion, Stat, Thomas, Diaw and Barbosa. D’Antoni told anyone who would listen that we had the best top-7 in the league.

Twitter: @dahking
Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.

by Alex Laugan on Mar 20, 2010 7:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Hmm… Barbosa was great that year. Top 6 really for half of that year. Diaw some nights played like an all-star and other nights he played like a scrub. When Amar’e came back I don’t think Diaw fit the team that well.

You are right though. It didn’t work( even though the suspensions played a part). Championship teams require a deep bench and we didn’t have one. That was our downfall in the first 4 years of the Nash era. Every time someone important would get hurt in the playoffs and we’d have no one to back him up.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

The thing I question about our team is whether we are good enough defensively to truly contend? Also, are we good enough offensively to truly contend? The biggest problem this year with our offense has been turnovers and that’s a huge problem. I don’t think we are as good as we use to be offensively. Still, despite the turnovers we are #1 because of our efficient scoring and pace.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

You hit it right on the head..

This team will live and die by turnovers…If we keep it low, say 10-13 a game, Suns win hands down against anybody in a 7 game series…We just have not been able to do that all year….

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by Sun God on Mar 20, 2010 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why do you think that is though? What changed? Why are we getting so many turnovers?

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am not sure...

It has been getting progressively worse over the last few years…Nash goes through peroids where he gets 4 or five a game, Dragic makes some questionable decisions every now and then and Amare’s hands aren’t what they used to be…However, I cannot pin the blame on anyone really; it just seems like the whole team loses focus sometimes and just starts throwing the ball away and getting sloppy. l

"I especially liked the part where I dunked on the McDonalds All-American dude..."

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by Sun God on Mar 20, 2010 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

our turnovers haven't actually changed that much

the Suns always had 13-14 turnovers a game. The difference is that we are not GETTING as many as we used to (Marion got 2 a game, which is the diff between what we get now, and what we used to get). Which is really hard to do, since we were always near the bottom anyway.

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Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.

by Alex Laugan on Mar 24, 2010 7:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think he would never say it out loud, but Grant Hill sees this team as perhaps his last legitimate shot at a ring.

I think they all do, but they know they aren’t so lucky when under expectations, so they aren’t going to say anything like Nash did in 07 when he said, “best team I ever had”. I think they feel they can compete with anyone. As for myself, like I said before; I will be satisfied with the season if we can win at least one round and than go as far as we can from there on.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 20, 2010 8:13 PM MDT reply actions  

And that's why I missed your posts

Awesome. Rec’d

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Mar 20, 2010 9:55 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Love Grant and his leadership .but Stevie,s leadership is even more vital and is shown thru his work ethic ,tenacity on the court and his willingness to play thru injuries that no other nba player would play thru and as a player that has to be inspiring.Grant and Steve compliment each other and bring a maturity that will be vital in the playoffs.

by NASHIE13 on Mar 23, 2010 7:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice post but

The Suns still have to beat the Lakers in a series. I love your optimism. It will be a fun playoff to watch.

by da suns on Mar 24, 2010 12:52 PM MDT reply actions  

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