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Interesting Observation: Lopez vs. Oden

I was reading an article comparing Portland's Greg Oden and Chicago's Joakim Noah, and I wondered how the Suns' newly-annointed starting center compared to the Trailblazer's #1 pick, supposed franchise-saving center. I grabbed their starting stats for this season (which is an interesting comparison, because they both started about the same amount of games and played very similar minutes in a starting role).

  Oden Lopez
Age 22 21
# of Starts 21 30
Minutes per game 23.9 24.5
Points per game 11.1 11.2
Shooting % 60 60
Rebounds per game 8.5 6.2
O-Rebounds per game 3 2.5
D-Rebounds per game 5.4 3.7
Blocks 2.3 1.1
Personal fouls 4 2.5
Turnovers 1.9 0.9

 

I find it encouraging that our blooming center matches up favorably with another young perceived "franchise" center, who was in the midst of showing his mettle and being fawned over by the media before going down with another knee injury.

Obviously, Lopez is not quite the defensive presence Oden is/was, being outdone in both individual defensive rebounds and blocks per game. I'm not statistics-saavy enough to find out how each center affected their team's collective rebounding effort when each was on the court, but I'd be interested in finding that one out if anyone wants to track it down.

They both have similar things to offer offensively, and I would even argue that Lopez has a bit more range, given that I've seen him hit a couple of jumpers within 10 feet or so. Robin also has the edge on potentially being able to stay on the court longer, keeping his personal fouls down. He's also less inclined to turn the ball over, with both taking approximately 7.5 field goal attempts a game.

This wasn't meant to be too in-depth of an analysis. I just thought the stats were a little mind-boggling, given that Oden is seen as the potential centerpiece to a championship franchise and Lopez was, before being moved to a starter, seen as maybe a backup center on a playoff team.

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Lopez really needs to work on his rebounding over the summer.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 25, 2010 2:56 PM MST reply actions  

This is part of why I want to know what the team's collective rebounding is

I have a hunch you’d find that the Suns, as a whole, grab more or similar rebounds when Lopez is on the floor, than the Trailblazers did when Oden was on the floor, even though Oden grabbed more rebounds himself.

by jburning on Mar 25, 2010 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree w/ that

There’s no known stat that looks at rebounding +/- for on/off court but when I looked at Robin’s impact a few weeks ago I looked at over all team rebounding which has improved dramatically.

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by Seth Pollack on Mar 25, 2010 7:47 PM MST up reply actions  

here's the link

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2010/2/28/1329356/the-impact-and-development-of

  1. The Suns “pre-Robin” were -2.29 in rebounding differential, which ranks around 26th in the league.
  2. Since Robin has entered the starting lineup, the Suns have a +3.68 rebound differential which ranks 2nd in the league. That’s a swing of +5.98 in rebound differential. THAT’S HUGE!!!

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by Seth Pollack on Mar 25, 2010 7:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Robin seems to be doing really good things for you guys

I’m glad you have someone who can anchor the middle for you long term.

As far as comparing Greg and Robin, I’m not sold

Oden vs. Lopez vs. Lopez

All pace adjusted and advanced stats (sans fouls and turnovers) have Oden far outstripping your Lopez brother and even edging the one from NJ in many categories (although they are less comparable due to their entirely different roles).

I’m glad you have your guy, but our guy is still a potentially franchise-changing center. He can change the Blazers from a perennial playoff team into a perennial contender. The thing I most envy? You don’t have to deal with the ‘ifs’. Same as with Noah, Robin has been reliable so far for you. Greg, not so much.

by MadBlaze on Mar 26, 2010 6:04 AM MST reply actions  

Nothing against Oden

This was more meant to show that Lopez holds up favorably against someone conventionally thought of as a potentially great center.

A problem with comparing their season-long stats is that Robin only started for 30 games out of the 50 games he played, but his stats as a sub are rolled into those averages. Oden played 21 games this year, all as a starter.

Again, not saying Lopez is better. Keep in mind, a year ago most of us didn’t think we had much in Lopez, so it’s just really good to see his development and see that he can hold his own against other young centers.

by jburning on Mar 26, 2010 6:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Oden would be one of the best centers in the league if he could stay healthy IMO

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Mar 27, 2010 9:12 AM MST up reply actions  

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