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How can the Suns improve their defense?




I would like to get the opinion of my fellow Suns fans on this. I would like to get some details and examples. I know that heart, effort, practice, determination... play a big part in defense, so no obvious answers. Obviously having a Coach who is willing to teach it plays a big part as well.

Our team as of late looks like they're putting more effort on the defensive end and are starting to learn how to play TEAM defense.  However, because they're still learning and haven't quite made that transition of mindset yet than I expect a few games every now and then where they're back to out-scoring people.

With that said what more can we do to improve our defense?

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The biggest defensive flaw I see with the Suns

is that they tend to linger to help when playing man to man. When they linger, it’s not really even double teaming because they just tend to be in the general vicinity. Channing Frye does this a lot. He sticks around a bit with one of his teammates and moves with the player that he’s helping to guard but he won’t close in. That leaves the offensive player some room and he can easily just move the ball around until they hit that open man. That open man is of course the result of that lingering and you’ll always see one Sun (mostly Steve Nash or J-Rich) dashing to try to close out on the open guy but fail to do so as they watch him shoot the open shot.

I think the Suns’ starting lineup should just stick with the zone and leave man-to-man for the better defensive lineup (which is basically the 2nd unit minus Frye). I know people say the zone is just a defense that hides a team’s inability to defend but we’ve shown that it works (look at that Nugget game where we shut them down to just 85 points). It may not be the best defense but zone can still give teams problems because they usually don’t have anything to counter it since they except man-to-man coverage.

Basically the Suns just need to stick with a defensive arrangement where some of our weaker defenders will get support and the better defenders will stick to their own man. Matchups are also important but Coach Gentry has done a great job with that. Other than that, communication, dedication, and mental toughness are all that’s needed. And it’s clear the Suns are beginning to show that. Slide your feet, people!

by NashMV3 on Mar 8, 2010 2:19 PM MST reply actions  

sign another defender, if Mr. Sarver doesn't mind paying one

Sign an extra player who plays defense, whether he can score or not. A player who caught my attention is someone named Eddie Basden, who has played briefly for one or two NBA teams but not caught on. He was a defensive player twice in college. He is currently in the D-League.

I’ve wondered why the Suns haven’t even publicly talked about D-League help, much less gotten any, especially when all these injuries have Steve Nash running himself into the ground with no backup. I am guessing Mr. Sarver doesn’t want to pay any new players.

by 8472species on Mar 8, 2010 3:50 PM MST reply actions  

(defensive player of the year, that is—I wish I could edit my posts)

by 8472species on Mar 8, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I would like to know

Why everyone says that Nash has no backup? Has everyone forgotten about Dragic? Remember what he did against a streaking Thunder team?

Yeah…he’s got a backup.

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by Trevor Paxton on Mar 8, 2010 6:56 PM MST up reply actions  

hear hear!

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 8, 2010 9:07 PM MST up reply actions  

No, of course not. I mean Nash hasn’t got a backup right now. This very minute. But even if he had one, I would still think getting a backup player (at some position, but probably a guard) could not hurt. Nash shouldn’t be playing at all right now; I’d rather see him be very conservative about healing his injuries. Damn the Lakers game—it’s more important that Nash enter the playoffs at one hundred percent.

by 8472species on Mar 8, 2010 9:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, for the next game (and the rest of the season)

Nash will have a backup. So, yes, as of this very minute, he doesn’t have a backup that is 100% healthy. But come Friday, he will.

Saying Nash doesn’t have a backup implies that there isn’t one on our roster. At least that’s how it comes across to me. And we definitely have a very capable backup.

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by Trevor Paxton on Mar 8, 2010 10:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't mind the defense, actually.

Our offense is top notch, and our defense is falling into place. I tried to be very unbiased in the article about the Suns’ defense, but I think we’re defending decent. We don’t need to be a lockdown defensive team. If we were a lockdown defensive team, our offense would likely be thrown out of sync.

So…I don’t think we need to really change our defensive mindset. We just need to continue on our quest to continue playing solid team defense, and to not let ourselves have many lapses. Signing a new player for the stretch run that’s a “defensive specialist” (remember Linton “CP3 Stopper” Johnson?) will just throw us off. Our team is gelling, and we need to just continue on the improving path we’ve been on.

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by Trevor Paxton on Mar 8, 2010 7:00 PM MST reply actions  

Well, in my post I meant long term. What more can we do to improve our defense for the long-term? As for right now I don’t think we need to sign a defensive specialist. However, is there any area defensively that we can improve on right now? That is what I want to know.

is that they tend to linger to help when playing man to man.

This was a good answer that NashMV3 gave me. I think if we could find the flaws of our team we would know for sure what it is specifically that they need to improve on. I just think its good to know the areas where our team struggles at the most, so we can judge them correctly. Last season our biggest weakness on defense was not being able to defend the pick’n’roll. I think we’ve done a better job at that now that Lopez is starting.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 8, 2010 7:41 PM MST up reply actions  

 I noticed that Nash always tends to be the help defender when one of the opponents players gets the ball in the paint. He runs over there and sort of just sticks his hand at the other player as if he’s going to steal the ball only he doesn’t really try. Nash always does that and than quickly tries to get back to his man on the perimeter. Nash doesn’t always get back on time and the guy in the paint usually throws it right back to that player who Nash is guarding. Only he ends up with a wide open three.

This happens all the time like at the Utah game for example. I remember sitting there and just thinking to myself and saying “Nash just stay on him, don’t worry about the other guy. Your guarding Deron Williams for crying out loud; he’s already hit two threes in this quarter! You can’t risk leaving him open for a split second to get the ball back and shoot it!” Of course as soon as I thought this that’s exactly what happened. Nash left Deron Williams for just a second to double team Boozer I believe and Deron got the ball back and hit the three. Nash was too late to get back and get a hand in his face.

I think it is by design that Nash does that, so I’m not trying to bash him, however I don’t really like that play either. There are times when either the Coach or the player have to realize when someone is hot and that you can’t leave him open for just a split second.

Of course that is not the only problem. It seems sometimes that we have a lot of guys rotating on defense when playing man to man and it just looks messy and unorganized.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 8, 2010 7:54 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Kerr is already tooling the Suns for a defensive future.

The drafting of Dragic, Lopez and Clark all solidify that fact. So, if (when…I’m pretty high on all the players) they all play up to why we drafted them, we’ll be a solid defensive team. Lopez is a solid, mobile big who is defending the pick and roll better, and it will only get better with time, when he learns how specific players run the pick and roll (i.e. how Chris Paul runs it as opposed to Deron Williams, etc.).

Clark is the most intriguing, as he has a chance to be the Matrix-lite. He’s quick, agile, and has shown that he can be a good defender. He just needs confidence and to develop a better offensive game. Watching tape over the summer will help his basketball IQ, and I think he’ll be a pleasant surprise next season.

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by Trevor Paxton on Mar 8, 2010 10:40 PM MST up reply actions  

He should have Nash personally teach him how to shoot. He couldn’t go wrong that way.

by 8472species on Mar 9, 2010 12:03 AM MST up reply actions  

100% agree

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 9, 2010 7:00 AM MST up reply actions  

What’s this about Linton Johnson (yup, I remember the man) being a Chris Paul stopper?

by 8472species on Mar 8, 2010 9:28 PM MST up reply actions  

That was what he nicknamed himself.

He called himself the CP3 Stopper.

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by Trevor Paxton on Mar 8, 2010 10:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Lack of conecntration

Defense is a team effor that takes everyone commiting to the concept. What you see sometimes is a break down from players on the defensive end and that leads to the poor defense.

You can see glimpses of the team commiting fully to the idea of playing team defense and they shine. Let’s hope as the season comes to and end here they buy in to it 100% and carry that into the post season.

by AcucracK on Mar 8, 2010 7:50 PM MST reply actions  

True, lack of concentration is a big one with our team. We have the potential to be a decent if not good defensive team, but due to lack of concentration which leads to break downs in certain points of the game it makes us an inconsistent team on defense. When that happens we are right back to trying to out-scoring people.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 8, 2010 8:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Lack of concentration is tough with any team.

The NBA season is 82 games. 82. And that’s not even including the playoffs, where all four rounds have a chance to go to 7 games.

Compare that to the NFL season, which has a possibility of 20 games, and that’s if your team makes it all the way to the Super Bowl. Oh, there is also (usually) a week off in between games. I know, football (at least in the American term) is 100% a contact sport, whereas basketball isn’t (unless you’re playing the Pacers last week).

It’s hard to keep your focus up 100% when you have such a long season. It stretches out over 8 months. And that doesn’t include training camp and preseason. So…I’ll forgive a little defensive lapse here and there. What we cannot do, however, is think that having those lapses when they matter most (i.e. playoffs) is okay. That’s inexcusable.

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by Trevor Paxton on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 PM MST up reply actions  

How good do you guys think we are at adjusting to other teams offensive game plans during game?

I think Gentry has done a decent job at making those quick decisions to adjust to the other teams offense. Like at the Denver game where they out-scored us in the 1st quarter. They were getting a lot of easy baskets in the paint, so Gentry made the guys go zone and they held them to 11 points in the 2nd.

Its good to see us improving in certain areas on the defensive end. However, we still have flaws that need to be improved. I know we will never be a great(top 5) defensive team with this roster, but we can be decent if not good if we just find those flaws and improve on them. Our team is still learning and I hope they can turn things around just in time for the playoffs.

by Beavis 25 on Mar 8, 2010 8:08 PM MST reply actions  

I think we are who we are

Which is wildly inconsistent on defense and fairly unstoppable on offense. Same as prior years. And we made the WCF twice with that formula.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 8, 2010 9:09 PM MST reply actions  

Roids.

"I don't care what people think, people are stupid."-Charles Barkley

by TheRza82 on Mar 9, 2010 2:33 AM MST reply actions  

Shhh

we don’t want the rest of the league to wake up on this yet, but:

according to hoopsstats.com, the Suns are 4th overall in defensive efficiency since the All-Star break.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 9, 2010 7:09 AM MST reply actions  

link

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/opponentstats/10/1/eff/18-1

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 9, 2010 7:10 AM MST up reply actions  

make that 7th overall since AS break

they updated their stats since I posted this comment. Still, impressive.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 9, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Defense isn't the problem...

Lack of intensity is…At least in my opinion. Our roster is full of good to great defenders, and has already shown it can shut some of the most potent offenses down, when they really WANT to.

That’s what it comes down to in my opinion…How determined are they to play great defense?

It’s a mental thing, not a schematic or skill issue…The players have to want it as much (or more) as we want to see it. That’s the bottom line.

by 7footer on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 PM MST reply actions  

yeah, I agree with that

The biggest key, it seems, is that your best player needs to be your most committed defender. not your best defender, necessarily, but a very committed one. The Lakers got better on defense when Kobe re-committed after playing with Team USA. The Celtics had a Great defense mainly because of Garnett (who ever thought Pierce, Allen and House were even passable defenders before Garnett showed up?).

The Suns prob is that their best defenders are role players. Dudley, Dragic, Lopez… So you don’t get consistent team defense, as long as Nash and Amare are our best players.

Having said that, the Suns are top-10 defense since Feb 1 when Lopez settled into the starting role. They still don’t consistently get end-of-game stops (Utah, SA) but they are more likely to win on a bad shooting night. Lets just hope the pendulum doesn’t swing to the negative again before the playoffs start.

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by Alex Laugan on Mar 11, 2010 7:10 AM MST up reply actions  

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