Jason Richardson Hits For 42, Phoenix Suns Thump Blazers, 108-89
As I stated in the preview, only Jason Richardson can stop Jason Richardson. Tonight J-Rich proved me right as he shot 13-19 from the field, including 8 three pointers en route to a 42-point performance, leading the Suns to a 108-89 win over the Portland Trail Blazers, in Portland.
The Suns lead the first round playoff series 2-1 and play again in Portland Saturday afternoon.
Tonight Phoenix picked up exactly where they left off on Tuesday evening. With the exception of the first few minutes of the game, the Suns were back at it, pushing the ball, shooting well, and executing their offense with precision. Portland found themselves in early foul trouble, and within the first 5 minutes of the game, one of the few viable offensive Blazer options, La Marcus Aldridge found himself on the bench with 2 fouls. The Suns responded with a 24-12 run and ended the quarter up 34-16 after shooting 60% from the field while limiting Portland to 30%.
Things got fun in the second as the Suns went on a 16-8 run while tightening up the defense for a spell. The Blazers were pushed to use every second of the shot clock and often put up some ugly, rushed, and or highly contested shots. Two Steve Nash free throws boosted the Suns lead to 31 points, 66-35 as the half closed.
In all probability, Nate McMillan may have either verbally thrashed his team or perhaps brought out and old sappy war story from his playing days, because the Blazers took the floor in the 3rd ready to do battle. LaMarcus tussled with Amare under the basket resulting in a double technical foul. Suddenly the calls got stranger and the Blazers tried their own version of bully ball, especially on Amare Stoudemire. The infamous Rose Garden crowd, who booed their home team in the first half, became an ally and the Blazers played with newfound focus and aggression. Most importantly, they hit shots while the Phoenix Suns did not. The Suns went 5-14 from the field and committed 7 turnovers, while managing 15 (fifteen) points.
In the 4th, the Blazers continued trimming the lead as a resurgent LaMarcus Aldridge and Jerryd Bayless teamed to begin the 4th quarter on 17-8 run. After a J-Rich 3 with 7.5 minutes left, Rudy Fernandez dropped 3 straight from beyond the arc. With the Portland crowd going insane, the Blazers had shaved off 20 points of the Suns 2nd quarter lead and found themselves down 91-80. But the Suns went on a 10-0 run punctuated by a Stoudemire layup which brought the Suns back up 18 with 3.50 left.
With the Suns in the bonus, it was a free throw shooting contest from that point on. Nash hit two to go up 100-80 with 3 minutes left. The crowd was silenced, and the Blazers had nothing left in the tank. Amare Stoudemire then drove for two and it was Phoenix Sun 2nd unit time. Amare, Nash, and J Rich were replaced while Nate McMillan decided to leave his starters in for the next 2 minutes.
Even Channing Frye hit a shot!!!! Of course his size 18 was on the line and it was ruled a 2. But 2's better than nothing Channing! Hang with it, man.
Suns up 2-1, are they Blazers irreparably broken?
Props:
- JRICH. Career highs in three pointers made (8), and total points, (42). This man has found his stroke.
- Amare. 20 points, 2 blocks, 2 steals, and 4 rebounds. The man missed 5 free throws, but I'm willing to overlook that in light of the beating he took at the hands of the Blazers. He took the punishment, for the most part and didn't let it affect him like it may have a few years ago.
- Grant Hill. 8 points, 7 rebounds. Andre Miller went 4-11 BTW, so nice D, Grant.
- Steve Nash. 13/10/4. Not the greatest of games for Steve (3-8) from the field (someone mentioning him tweaking his ankle), but with JRICH going freaking nuts, Steve can afford to give the weight to someone else for a game.
- Goran Dragon Dragic. 10 points in 10 minutes off the pine and 3-6 from three point range.
- SUNS D. for most of the game they swarmed and trapped and disrupted the Portland flow. The Blazers were held to 4 quarters under 30 points, 44% shooting, and 89 total points.
Quotes:
Jason Richardson:
"With Steve (Nash) coming off the screen, it seemed like I was open every time. I was surprised they kept on leaving me. I know in Game 4 it's going to be a different story. They're probably not going to leave me. There is not going to be that many open looks. It's going to be somebody else's night if it's not mine...I've only been in the playoffs twice. I spent seven summers at home. Right now, I'm just not taking anything for granted. I'm leaving everything on the floor."
Game 4, Saturday
My guess is Batum's done, but that doesn't matter. The Blazers saw what worked tonight. Play tough, foul hard, at least go out like men instead of um, I dunno, skirts? Yes the Suns responded, never gave up the lead, but they showed signs of caving in the 3rd.
The Blazers came out in the first looking lost and meek. Their own fans were booing them. But they manned up n the 3rd and it changed the complexion of the game, for a little while at least. It's all they have left. LaMarcus and Bayless are the only consistent threats now that Miller has been boxed up. And let's face it, with the Suns it's pick your poison. Amare wasn't much of a factor and he still scored 20 points. Jason Richardson has proven that he can and will hit shots. The only way you eliminate him is pray he loses his touch, double team him, or bring a man out on him instead of trapping Nash on the pick 'n roll. If the Blazers do the latter, then there's more room for Nash to create, and more room for Amare to operate in the paint. Choose your poison, Portland.
The Suns bench needs a wake up call. Tonight, Frye, Dudley, and Amundson were a combined 3-12 from the field. Most of that is on Frye. I applaud his 7 boards tonight but on the offensive end, Channing has been atrocious. Tonight he was 0-6 from beyond the arc. I would think playing in the PTL would motivate him beyond belief. Perhaps it's going the opposite way. Nerves? Come on Channing, you're better than that.
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Those homerrific announcers have me legitimately concerned.
Will Amar’e get suspended for Game 4? Please, God, no.
Bill Simmons tweeted about this a few weeks back.
“Portland has the best crowd in the league, it should be fun to watch their home games. Get this city a real announcing crew. Seriously.”
and
Note to the Blazers announcers: You guys are embarrassing homers. At least Tommy Heinsohn has the excuse of being old.
by STUCK IN LA on Apr 22, 2010 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
awesome comment
stuck in la…thanks!!
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger....or makes you a Suns fan
Links for who wants them
by STUCK IN LA on Apr 22, 2010 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Simmons ticks me off some of the time
but comments like these always bring me back into his fold.
Thanks for the links.
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Royals Record: 3-5; Royals record when I watch the game: 1-1
That was bad.
I do not know if have heard two more homer announcers in all the years I have been following sports. They seem to be relying on gimmicks to win game 4. They think either Amare will get suspended ( uh no) and/or Roy will come back early and save them. BTW have you seen the Garnett elbow that they kept comparing Amare to
Seriously there is no comparison. If Amare wanted to elbow Aldridge he would have. It was definately worth a T, but he swung his upper body not his elbow. So, there is now way to compare the two. If Amare gets suspended then we all know who made the call.
Anyway. When a team starts relying on things outside of their control that is a bad sign and a good signe for us. I have a great deal of respect for the Blazers this year. I hope they keep fighting till the end and don’t spoil a great season on the last few games.
by Suns Fan For Life on Apr 23, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Hard to say this was a bad game, since they won by 19
But it was about as bad a game as a blowout win can be.
i have not seen the replay
but LMA def instigated it, and later Miller tackled Amare feet-first, so can they really single out Amare?
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uh
I didn’t see the play, didn’t get to watch the game, but seriously…I don’t know it there’s a team that the NBA hates more than the Blazers, period. let me rephrase that: there IS NO TEAM that David Stern despises more than the Trail Blazers
its so funny how every team thinks that
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It's scary to think that there is the possibility that Stern hates anything more than the Suns...
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Ulysses S Grant
Did you read my post?—it makes no sense for him to hate a potential ratings raiser like the Suns.
by 8472species on Apr 23, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Totally!
I was watching that bit from a bar in Portland, and everyone groaned when the Mikes said the NBA would spend a lot of time looking over the tape. The Suns fans think Amar’e will be suspended because the NBA hates them, and the Blazers fans think he won’t be suspended because the NBA hates THEM!
i really wudnt mind..
if amare gets suspended in game 4.given his less than thrilling performances the last 3 games it wudn be much of a loss..start amundsn and maybe get some earl lark burn time
you have no idea what you're talking about
the team is palying so well because portland is paying so much attention to steve and amare
by TheBlur on Apr 23, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't worry too much about the elbow.
The only reason the NBA issued KG a suspension was because the refs were all over that elbow. Amar’e was just trying to fight for position and all players in the post will push off with either their elbows or hands. It’s pretty practical but since the announcers were disgusted with the Suns crushing their home team, I’m pretty sure they were just saying that to give the Blazers fans at home a small glimmer of hope. Overall a great game, but that short stretch in the 4th had me worry a little. Luckily they had the luxury to allow it but came right back to ruin the Blazers’ hopes. J-Rich, why can’t you play like this more often so we can stop calling you streaky?
Who here is playing Drive to the Finals on NBA.com?
Call me stupid but I picked Andre Miller knowing Grant Hill was going to shut him down. I picked Durant and Rose a little too early >_>
Good job on the win, Suns fans.
In Bayless I trust.
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we're the most sincere fans ever man
it’s just difficult to express ourselves on other blogs, given the lack of structure or rules
hey sparks89
I have no problem with blazer fans, or their team. If Oden plays next season, I’ll be interested to watch him. But I wonder if the below statement from me is true….it very well might be.
“No other nba team in the U.S. has the out of state support and following that the Suns have” – this began with Nash and Amare and D’antoni I think.
The reason I say this is we have a huge number of out of state guys on this blog all the time…it’s awesome
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger....or makes you a Suns fan
We all think of Steve Nash as Luke Skywalker fighting against the Empire of the Spurs.
Though I do like the Spurs, I was still cheering for the Suns in those series.
In Bayless I trust.
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I doubt the Suns
have more support than Stern’s “darlings”, the LA Kobes & CLE Lebrons, but I am surprised by how many fans I see here in DC when I make my annual trek to the Verizon Ctr to watch them trounce the Wizards!
I need a ring, DAMMIT!!
Thanks I just played with the heart of a champion
You'd better stop that, it's not being decided by that. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches that could control them. And don't you forget it.
David Stern on the Dan Patrick Show 5-16-2007
by dagnasty on Apr 22, 2010 11:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
God the second half made me queasy. That second half was full of stupid. JRich saved our asses from imploding.
Play today, win today, ‘das it.
by noonoo on Apr 22, 2010 10:55 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
its tough to stay focused when you're up 31 at half
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Another game, another lesson.
Once again, we learn about the Blazers the hard way. Fortunately this time, we’ve adapted well enough to pull out a convincing win.
I expect Saturday’s game to be a much cleaner win on our part, having seen just about everything the Blazers have up their sleeves (or so I think, knock on wood).
-They actually cany hit 3’s if Fernandez can go nuts
-Miller needs to get shut down
-They have no answer for J-Rich
So long as we keep stuff like this in mind, it should only get easier.
knocking on wood all over the damn place
As long as Phoenix fires on all cylinders, there is no way for the current Blazers to win.
Maybe some amazing revelation of talent from a bench player or strong structured defense can win us a game (or three, but not four)…. but at the moment the Suns simply have way too much talent when compared to us.
The Blazers minus injuries, well, maybe I’m just being a homer, but I’d argue they are better than the Suns (with Lopez). You have no answer for 10 minutes of Oden, much less 20 (since he’d be fouled out after that ;)). Brandon Roy might help too. But without that? Steve Nash is awesome and so is Amare. We don’t have the strength right now to hold them back without letting your support players through the gaps.
In Bayless I trust.
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I actually think that POR healthy>PHX healthy too
But you guys need to consolidate your talent, b/c if everyone is healthy than a lot of players are just being wasted.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
As a massive Suns fan, I don't think you're necessarily wrong.
The Blazers at full strength could easily have been the #3 seed instead of Phoenix.
I do think that the Thunder and the Blazers (assuming that the teams can be kept together and that there isn’t a strike) could be the best teams in the West in a few years.
That’s a big could though… you’ve got to worry about guys with injury histories like the guys on your roster being able to last a whole season together.
Educated Basketball Fan, Totally Uneducated Baseball Fan.
Royals Record: 3-5; Royals record when I watch the game: 1-1
haha
love your comment about oden fouling out – that won’t last for long. He’ll learn. I think he’s similar to Lopez in 1 respect. Both are very eager to do well. Lopez was getting 3-4 fouls in 3-4 minutes if I recall. Of course Oden has the talent to be off the charts – how well can he dribble?
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger....or makes you a Suns fan
Dribble?
So so. He can dribble just fine one on one with another center guarding him, but it is difficult when you are always triple teamed. He is a much better passer than dribbler.
Rudy + Oden = very awesome offense. Post, pass out, repost. Rudy can cut well and pop out for the three well. Rudy can also feed the post very well.
And to whoever said “it is a very big ‘could’”, I agree heartily. If these injuries don’t stop, we are going nowhere.
In Bayless I trust.
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I really hope Oden gets his body under control.
The Suns have never had a true “dominant” center. You’ve been tempted with Oden, Walton (despite the fact he won you a championship) and Bowie. I think having the knowledge that a player could have been a dominant player is worse than having nobodies at the 5.
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Royals Record: 3-5; Royals record when I watch the game: 1-1
I love Oden either way.
He is a down to earth guy.
He even texts me ;)
In Bayless I trust.
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Hopefully not with dirty pictures.
I kid, I kid.
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I did say down to earth...
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guess it depends which part of him are you talking about when you say he's down to earth.
by brian13 on Apr 22, 2010 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oden seems cool
On the dribble comment, I ask about this because what separates Amare/Howard/and Lebron is Lebron can dribble and handle the ball like a guard. Amare and Howard can’t. If Oden had the ability to be able to move like very few big men do, he’s got a good shot at being the best center 2010-2020.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger....or makes you a Suns fan
What your missing though is that if Oden didn’t get hurt than you wouldn’t have gotten Camby, but you would still have Blake. This means that you can’t use Oden as an excuse because you now have Camby. In all honesty I’d rather face a Portland team with an inexperienced Oden than a rebounding machine in Camby. Really, the only players you are missing are Roy and that back up Center(can’t spell his name).
Someone compared Oden and Lopez a while back and brought stats to prove it and both players were pretty evenly matched. Lopez could contain Oden. Oden isn’t that much better and really hasn’t even played in enough games to say he can be an all-star.
If Oden doesn't get hurt
We still have Blake and Outlaw. And Blake is a Suns killer. :-)
by I can't think of a good screen name... on Apr 24, 2010 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Ha!
Funny you say that they “can actually” hit threes…that used to be a hallmark of the offense. Batum went something like 50% from beyond the arc for most of the season, and Steve Blake was a 40% shooter from three for most of the last two years. That was why Brandon preferred playing with him instead of Andre, because he spread the floor. Rudy’s been in an epic funk, but when he snaps out of that’s where he’ll get most of his points. Martell was the three point specialist for the last several years. Brandon’s a legit shooter from anywhere on the court. Bayless and Miller are really the only wing players who aren’t three point shooters!
This is what is so frustrating about the series for us Portland fans. I don’t recognize the team out there. Not because they’re unlucky or getting bad calls or some douchey excuse like that — the Suns are legitimately forcing them to play out of their style. Props to Phoenix for that. I honestly don’t think Brandon would have made things any better. The Suns are flat out better, no doubt about it.
Bayless isn't a three point shooter
But he’s a dead-eye toe-on-the-line shooter. It’s insane.
by I can't think of a good screen name... on Apr 23, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
The 3rd quarter was just a banged up home team trying to not get embaressed on thier home court, I wouldnt make much of it.
It was more than that though.
It was the Suns getting complacent after 5 quarters of dominate basketball.
It was the Suns losing their focus.
It was the Blazers finally getting aggressive and putting the Suns on their heels.
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Royals Record: 3-5; Royals record when I watch the game: 1-1
Good point.
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again, because the Suns were up by so much at half
don’t worry about the second half
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Yeah, I agree
I wouldn’t worry about it if I were a Suns fan. The only slight cause for concern is having Rudy back from the dead. If he truly has his stroke / confidence back, there may be some life left yet in the Blazers. If he comes out flat again on Saturday, though, I don’t think I’ll be able to watch the rest of the series!
I don't know what's wrong with that dude
I only watched him when the suns played the blazers, but it seems that he’s the biggest head case in the league.
I wouldn't say that
He’s been inconsistent this year, yes, but he’s had back trouble all year. Even if he’s healthy, he’s probably still not ready to trust it completely yet. Physically he may be recovered, mental recovery is a bit more of a question. If he has the guts to stick it out in Portland next year, I am guessing that he will regain his confidence while playing for Spain over the summer, and come back as the Rudy of his rookie year.
by I can't think of a good screen name... on Apr 23, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree
Yes we got complacent in the third and probably could of and should of just shut them down. The difference I see with the team now and the team we saw earlier in the season is that when we actually lose a lead now, we clamp down on defense and make a stand. No more giving the game up after a slippage. I have not seen a Suns team in a long while that will get physical when needed and have the attitude that we can win against anyone at any place. I expect a much more physical pdx team on Saturday, but in the end I smell a Suns victory. The lack of talent and depth remaining for pdx will be to much to overcome against the Suns.
defense
two games in a row we hold them below 90… we will find a way to score and if we have a bad shooting night, we can still win with this kind of effort on defense… so defense is a key and needs to stay on this level
amare 4 rebs, 4 TO and 4-9 from the stripe… not good…
looks like portland has prepared the game plan focused on amare only… he is having 3 similar games, but still we are blowing them out last two games… nice team effort, but we can expect some adjustments from their side, on jrich especially…
I don't think it's possible for them to stop Jrich, or for that matter, our other shooters
By focusing on Amare, they are necessarily making our shooters beat them. Amare is going to score if they stop that double/triple team on him.
If it’s not Jrich, those who are free will make their shots.
well they can adjust in a way
that they don’t leave jrich open after that double team… expect that, it is not a problem… still we need him penetrating, which he also used in these two games… frye can have a bad night like he did today…
if they adjust to cover JRich
then someone else is open. Its not so bad to have Steve or Amare scoring, or Frye shooting open 3s, or Dudley, or Hill slashing, or….
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...or Barbosa?
Surely they couldn’t guard Nash, Stoudemire and Richardson simultaneously, any more than the Chicago Bulls could cover Charles Barkley and Kevin Johnson simultaneously in 1993 without Dan Majerle doing to them what Richardson does to the Blazers. And if the Blazers did cover all three of the Suns’ weapons, they could add a fourth gun by moving Richardson to replace Grant Hill, then inserting Barbosa in Richardson’s spot to keep firing away.
by 8472species on Apr 23, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Good game
Go Suns!!!
Really didnt see this game coming, but sure as hell glad it turned out like it did.
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
Second that!
I really didnt believe pdx would lay down like they did playing in front of their home crowd. They may have stole one in phx, but we at least kept it close. To watch the crowd turn against pdx was something I would have expected more from a phx crowd. But another great game and another win.
in my opinion, ’dre just got hot in game 1. he was on a zone and with a little luck he pulled an amazing offensive game..that being said, i dont think miller can play as good people tend to think he can. but its still nice D from my man grant
I don't think so.
Grant Hill (and the Suns in general) are doing an amazing job on him.
He’s arguable the best post up PG in the league and he’s been destroying smaller guards all year. Getting the ball out of the hands of the one guy who can actually create off the dribble seems like a no brainer. Not sure why Gentry didn’t do it in game one.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I like your name. Webster’s Dictionary defines “excellent” as “the trait of possessing excellence.”
by 8472species on Apr 23, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Big win
3rd game in 7 game series is huge. Lets grab game 4.
If the NBA suspends Amare, then I know Stern really can not stand the Suns.
Keep this going guys
Ha ha ha
So Blazer fans Dream matchup was the Suns? Dream again while we go to the western Finals.
by Internet tough guy on Apr 22, 2010 11:21 PM MDT reply actions
weren't you asked a question about your ip address?
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger....or makes you a Suns fan
most of the suns bloggers have been on this site for years
they’re not rude like you are
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger....or makes you a Suns fan
Is ITG some kind of Reverse Troll?
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User name
Rip City from the same IP address. Either you or someone in your house
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by Seth Pollack on Apr 22, 2010 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like my new name and dont want the pld one.
by Internet tough guy on Apr 22, 2010 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Dream matchup? Yes.
After the injuries, anybody in the playoffs was a dream matchup. Had we been healthy, we would have been hoping to play OKC or SA as the 1 or 2 seed. As it is, since we weren’t going to get HCA, Phoenix was the best out of the possible matchups.
Keep dreaming? I will, because life without dreams would be terribly boring.
by I can't think of a good screen name... on Apr 22, 2010 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions
There is always next year
Until then it looks like you wont be bored.
by Internet tough guy on Apr 22, 2010 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm never bored
And yes, there is always next year.
by I can't think of a good screen name... on Apr 23, 2010 12:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Im never bored either cuz things turn out to be fun and not how everybody wants
by Internet tough guy on Apr 23, 2010 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Things couldn't possibly how everbody wants since people want mutually exclusive things.
In Bayless I trust.
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If they double-team J-Rich
Nash is gonna have a field day with the open bodies. But I honestly don’t think that they can shut down Richardson all that well. He’s just a horrible match-up for that team, much like the Blazers are for us when they’re at their healthiest.
They can adapt – and they will, to some respect – but I don’t expect J Rich to be posting anything less than healthy double figures for the rest of this series. With Batum out and the Suns finally understanding the danger of Rudy and some of their bench members, the Blazers are looking incredibly thin.
is the NBA stupid?
My assumption is no—the NBA is sleazy but not stupid. From that assumption, I must conclude that the NBA does not hate the Suns. That makes no sense. All the NBA cares about is money, and the Suns’ great offense would undoubtedly ensure strong ratings, therby making mo’ money. Even if they don’t run as much anymore. To sabotage the Suns’ victories, the NBA would be sabotaging profits. For the same reason, I can’t believe the NBA would ever rig games against the Suns. Especially in those old games against the Spurs…it would be absurd. Do you remember the 2005 Spurs-Nets finals? The ratings were horrible—that’s all I remember. Why would the NBA have rigged a Suns series for a proven ratings-killer like the Spurs?
by 8472species on Apr 22, 2010 11:23 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Stern’s head may be firmly up his arse, but it’s not exclusive to the Suns. Saying that the NBA hates us is just a way to excuse our past failures.
"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.
This is the first game in the series where we didn't win the rebounding battle.
I think that’s a huge statistic, especially with a win and even more so without RoLo.
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Royals Record: 3-5; Royals record when I watch the game: 1-1
Anyone else really impressed with J-Rich's postgame comments?
Manages to say all the right things, doesn’t add fuel to the fire for the Blazers’ players, and eloquent as always.
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Royals Record: 3-5; Royals record when I watch the game: 1-1
did you see
alvin gentry whisper into j-rich’s ear? I was watching on NBA network and they were just finishing up with gentry, j-swish was sitting a couple of seats down and when gentry got up he whispered into rich’s ear, wonder what he said…it’s like the end of “lost in translation”
explanation: Richardson keeps abusing Fernandez
Since Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire are playing not very well and not badly but just okay, while Richardson is hot, I think what’s mainly going on is obvious. For whatever reasons—lack of confidence, personal issues, just not being good enough—Rudy Fernandez is playing poorly most of the time, and Richardson is eating him alive.
I dont know
why you think nash and stat are just playing okay..just cause stat doesn’t have 30 pts? he’s been the main focus of the blazers defensive scheme, he and nash (also known as pick and roll) are the main reason that our shooters have been able to do what they’ve done.
can't agree with all that
Steve and Amare’ are the two players causing so much disruption to the pdx defense. They are trying to play 2-4 players on Amare’ and Nash. What I see is that our two man game is setting up jrich and grant to just go nuts on their defense. We have to many good shooters in the game for a team to leave anyone, much less several players open. If they can’t find out how to contain Nash and Amare’ man to man, I don’t see them pulling this out.
I can't stop thinking
what this Portland team would look like if they had drafted Durant over Oden…
Miller
Roy
Durant
Aldridge
Camby
Holy shit that team would have been unstoppable.
by iwasneveryoung on Apr 23, 2010 12:24 AM MDT reply actions
If Greg can stay healthy
And I still believe he can, then we will be unstoppable.
As for Durant, Roy has publicly questioned whether they would be able to play well together. Both of them tend to dominate the ball.
There are also legitimate questions as to how Durant would have fared under McMillan. It is entirely possible, even likely, that he would have been a “hide out in the corner to shoot the 3” player. I still think that Oden was the right choice.
by I can't think of a good screen name... on Apr 23, 2010 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Unstoppable?
Please, you had him healthy at the beginning of the season and you weren’t near unstoppable. Oden will be a good center no doubt, but he has yet to prove he can bang long term in the paint or, for that matter, that he is smart enough to NOT foul out of the game.
Reading is good...
Uh... he was unstoppable.
He had virtually the same numbers as Dwight Howard this season. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Mr. Glass is not Dwight Howard...Don't you dare..
You ought to be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting that…Even the thought will make Grandpa Greg have another season ending injury…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Ulysses S Grant
When healthy this season Oden was very, very similar to Dwight Howard.
They have the same rebounding rate. (Oden was third in the entire league)
They have virtually the same PER. (Oden was 8th in the league, Howard 6th)
They have virtually the same AST%. (Howard 8.9, Oden 8)
Oden has a better TS%. (Oden was 3rd in the league, while Howard was 10th)
Oden actually blocks more shots than Howard. ( 7.7 compared to 6 in BLK%.)
Oden turns the ball over slightly less than Howard. (17.8 to 18.7in TO%)
Per 36 minutes Oden averages 17 points and 13 rebounds while Howard averages 19 and 14.
Really there isn’t anything that Howard does better than Oden except staying healthy and keeping out of foul trouble, which of course is a really big deal. Comparing him to Howard in actual production though isn’t even a question. They are incredibly similar.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
but the point is he DIDNT average 36 minutes. Why? because he was in such bad foul trouble all the time. You cant base a players potential on what he MIGHT do in a certain allotted time frame. Why? Because a player a big and ungainly as Oden will get tired and play more sloppily. At only 24 minutes the dude was always fresh. He wasn’t in as good a shape as Dwight Howard and isn’t as athletic.
Reading is good...
Obviously staying on the court in a priority, but during the games when Oden wasn’t in foul trouble he’s actually produced the best numbers, so I don’t buy the fatigue argument. If anything staying on the court in longer stretches helps him get into his rhythm more.
Clearly health problems and foul trouble is holding him back, but when he’s on the court he’s already one of the best centers in the league by a good margin.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
PER Ratings only tell part of the story...
According toi the ratings, Darko Milicic has a higher rating than Joel Pryzbilla…Do you buy that????
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Ulysses S Grant
Yes I do.
PER doesn’t take defense into account. I’m sure Darko is a better offensive player.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Darko isn't better than any center at anything...
Hollinger just concocted another in a long line of stats…
Most of which are garbage…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Ulysses S Grant
He's no longer Mr. Glass
If he ever was. Didn’t you know? They did full skeletal replacement, and his bones are now titanium. Better watch out for those elbows…
Am I supposed to be telling people this, or was it intended to be kept a secret?
by I can't think of a good screen name... on Apr 23, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
In 24 minutes he averaged 11pts 8 rbs 2 blks and 4 fouls…how the heck is that “unstoppable”? Answer, its not. During that span PDX went 16-11 and Przybilla had more rebounds per game than him. Youre argument is ridiculous. 2 blks in 24 mins may be pretty good, but its not spectacular.
Reading is good...
Dwight Howard gets less than 2 blks per 24 minutes.
Youre argument is ridiculous. 2 blks in 24 mins may be pretty good, but its not spectacular.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
You completely ignored my argument and went for the interpretationless statistic.
Nice job. My point still stands.
Reading is good...
N8lol..you can't argue with Blazers Fans..They know everything..
He probably has done an in-depth dissertation on why Greg Oden keeps getting injured and he looks like he is Bill Russell’s twin brother..
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Ulysses S Grant
I guess it isn’t an argument is one side doesn’t actually have anything worth while to say. More like a lecture to a student…
Reading is good...
I'm citing statistical evidence son.
You threw out raw stats and our win record? Please. Oden was the best player on the team during that stretch.
I actually watched those games.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Bwahahahaha
Who you do you think you are “boy”? I didn’t throw out raw stats. I argued that Przybill played better based on your standards. All of your stats were adjusted stats based on theoretical models of play. If we take your analysis techniques and apply them then Lou Amundson is one of the top rebounders in the league. Dont be ignorant. Its foolish to base someone’s potential on theoretical numbers.
Reading is good...
He would be 20th among centers.
Of course he’s not always playing against starters like Oden, so that might make a difference.
Joel doesn’t have a better rebound rate than Oden so I’m not sure what you are talking about there with the whole “based on your standards” comment. Joel is worse than Oden in the majority of advanced stats.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
No... it doesn't
Pace adjusted, minute adjusted.
You can’t just look at raw stats otherwise you might get the impression that Steve Nash deserved to win an MVP award.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Again.
You said virtually nothing in your post. (And Nash does deserve MVP consideration)
Here is a prime example of what I am talking about. The longest Oden played was 34 mins on Nov 16 against Atlanta. There he scored 11pts, 7 rbs, 1 blk, 1 stl. Conversely, in one of his least minutes in a game 17 mins against Charlotte, he had 8 points, 4rbs, 4 blks. Inconsistency abounds. Why? Numerous factors I am sure. But one of those is that he was fresh when he played those 17 mins. He could run the court. Jump for rebounds. Play solid D and block shots.
Reading is good...
Fair enough.
You think the extra 12 minutes a game or whatever will have a detrimental effect on Oden’s performance because of his conditioning. That’s possible, I just don’t think it’s likely.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Here's another one
By your analysis, Daniel Gibson is the best rebounder in the league averaging 46 rebounds per 48. Clearly and inane argument. And Okur, under your system, has 1.25% eFG shooting! LOL. Thats not even possible! And Sundiata Gaines would have 96 pts per 48! ROFL.
So you see, adjusted stats mean very little. What really counts is what they do on the floor when they are on it. You can’t count Oden as an “unstoppable” force until he plays the grind of a whole season. Until then, its just foolishness and you really make yourself sound idiotic.
Reading is good...
You aren't very good at this, no offense.
Daniel Gibson has a Rebounding Rate of 4.1, which ranks him 63rd among point guards, much less the rest of the league. He isn’t averaging 46 rebounds per 48 minutes. You are confused.
Also, I never cited eFG so I don’t have the faintest clue what you are talking about.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just checked.
He’s averaging 2.5 rebounds per 36 minutes, which seems about right.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I was looking at playoff numbers.
And no, you didn’t cite eFG, I did to prove a point. Which is that your stats are all theoretical when they concern Oden. There is a reason that players that don’t play a certain number of minutes or games a season are not included on the ESPN stat sheets.
Go and learn.
Reading is good...
Why were you looking at playoff numbers?
That seems silly since he’s only played 1 minute.
On the other hand, 24 minutes per game is a pretty good chunk of time. That’s about 70% of the minutes he should be playing. It’s not ideal, but it gives us something to work with.
Obviously per minute numbers aren’t perfect, they’re just better than raw numbers. For example, advanced stats have been proven time and time again to be very accurate when predicting rebounding numbers. A player who is a good rebounder in 20 minutes per game is going to rebound at about the same rate at 36 minutes per game. (I’m talking rebound % not rebounds per minute)
Anyway I can see I’m not getting anywhere. Clearly I’m the “enemy” or something so my math doesn’t count.
Good luck. I hope the next game is a little closer.
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 23, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
We don't know if Durant would have developed the way he has if he didn't have the "franchise player" hat handed to him from day 1
Oden was the right pick. It sucks that it hasn’t worked out, but he was the right pick.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Congrats on a great win!!!
Series 2 – 1 ….. Bring it baby!!!
From a Suns fan waaaaaaay out in Singaore
3rd Quarter
“DO UNTO OTHERS AS THEY DO UNTO YOU”
“AN EYE FOR AN EYE”
What I saw in the 3rd Quarter was that the Suns started with their starters to finish the game off. But PTL decided to swarm Nash Full-Court, just like we Swarmed Miller in Game 2.
This disrupted our offensive flow because, The Chosen One is our engine. Nash is way too smart for them to continue doing this, but it worked in this stretch. They have pretty much made Amare’s Off a non-factor just as we have Negated LMA.
J-Rich stepped up and that was great. We have always known he is capable and expect them to try and shut him down in G4.
That might open up Amare/Nash a lot more and they can be expected to get the ball in a good scoring Position if they are ready for it.
So Suns. Be Prepared.
GO SUNS…..
Dumb question
Who/what is “PTL”? I’ve seen it here a few times. I finally discerned STAT=Amare, but why? Is that a nickname?
by Cepstrum on Apr 23, 2010 6:29 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
PDX, PTL
Thanks. I’m used to the airport code PDX (isn’t PHX your airport code?). Also, as a student at Portland State University, we have to use pdx in our Internet domain name. A little school on the east coast gets to use PSU. Hmmm wonder why. After all, when most people see psu, they think Portland State, right? ;)
by Cepstrum on Apr 23, 2010 7:05 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I like to tell myself
that alvin was making them play like that just so they could keep it fresh in their mind’s if it happens again..then when they got within 11 he said, ok, now go get back up by 20. lol
boo Lakers!
The Lakers sure aren’t playing well against the Thunder. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such a lazy contender.
Lakers? not playing well?
I’m not seeing the problem, here.
Sorry, I wasn’t clear enough. I’m booing the Lakers because they’re slime and I hate their franchise, not because I would like them to play better.
by 8472species on Apr 23, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Two things
1. The consensus at BlazersEdge is that the elbow from Amare is not worthy of suspension. They’re more upset at LMA, not Amare.
2. I don’t see how you guys can be at all concerned with the second half. We can’t take anything from that IMO, for it was not indicative of a normal situation—the Suns couldn’t have possibly been taking the 3rd quarter seriously. When it mattered, they put the game out of reach. Unfortunately. :( I still stand by my pre series prediction of PHX in five. Double :( :( !!
by Cepstrum on Apr 23, 2010 6:27 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
right on
agreed on both counts
Twitter: @dahking
Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.
Perhaps.
The honesty is appreciate for sure. But as Suns fans the 3rd Q reminded us of a time not so distant when big leads were never secure. For the most part this Suns team isn’t like DAntoni’s teams in that we know better, but I take seriously what happened in the 2nd half and so should the Blazers. If they can come out with some spunk in game 4 they could easily take it away. Keep it close and wait for whomever is hot to cool down. If Rich had cooled down at all last night and you had made your FTs we would have been hard pressed to win that game.
I think PHX wins no matter what, but if PDX could force game 7 it would be fun. We would all look back and say, “damn, that Portland team has a ton of heart”
Reading is good...
I hope
That PHX’s players and coaching staff are as unsatisfied with a 20-point playoff victory on the road as some of the people posting here.
"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.
Since he showed up we are winning
I say we let him post the discounts. LOL
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
It's not just one person
they are creating multiple new accounts every day and nearly all the SBN sites. This has been an on-going problem.
The only fix is to make it so new members can’t post for 24 hours. That usually gives the network time to delete them before they can post their spam.
The problem there is that we lose legit new members who come here to comment and can’t and don’t come back. So, I’ve turned off the one day rule and we will just delete the spam as soon as we find it.
Sorry
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Apr 23, 2010 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Seth
We haven’t had this problem in the past. Kind of ridiculous actually. I trust you to handle it.
Reading is good...
damn
that’s a difficult situation. And I can see how it would be tough to retain new members who register right before gametime or something. Just got to keep eyes out I guess. Not that it really bothers me that much, unless they really spam (i.e. multiple postings at once cluttering up the board)
Crashing the [message] boards from the heart of Spurs Nation, San Antonio, Texas. GO SUNS!
We try and catch it pretty quick
they are looking are solutions at the network level as well…it’s a giant pain in the arse
Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo
by Seth Pollack on Apr 23, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
can somebody..
give bayless a little sumthin sumthin and put him in his place? i mean he shoved both frye and lou last nyt, ..he has got to learn to play it cool.,
At least
he was trying. Too bad the rest of the team couldn’t borrow some of his emotion and direct it to playing (legit/clean) ball. Not a big Bayless fan, but I think he was one of the few who cared.
I had to listen to the game. Was it true (as the review at BlazersEdge said) that by the second quarter the Suns were literally giggling? Heh heh
by Cepstrum on Apr 23, 2010 8:59 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
the suns are too nice to "giggle" (implying malice or directing toward Portland, I think)
it’s prob that they were giddy from things going so well and couldn’t help themselves. Kinda like when one makes a circus basket at the Y while playing H.O.R.S.E.
Twitter: @dahking
Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.
The Blazers are pissed cuz' we laughed at them...
I would laugh at their homer happy announcers too…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Ulysses S Grant
I didn't mean that as a criticism
of the Suns. Rather, if true, it would be an indicator of how the game was going, and add support to my contention that the Blazers “comeback” in the third shouldn’t be seen as a bad omen for the Suns. They were just having a hard time taking the game seriously anymore, which is why we were able to etch away at the lead—until the Suns had had enough and put the game out of reach.
One things for sure: the refs deserve no Blane for this debacle. If course, I feel a little bad for my Blazers. With all the injuries and Rudy’s disappearance, they have to be feeling demoralized. I wish the crowd hadn’t booed them. That’s not typical NW fan behavior.
by Cepstrum on Apr 23, 2010 9:49 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly
I didnt hear any booing from them aimed at the Blazers. They booed Frye early on because he got tangled up with Bayless and got the foul call. They booed Amare after the scuffle with Aldridge.
As far as the “giggling” goes. I never saw any of that. If it did come from anyone in the form of a “giggle” it was the second string, maybe Amare. If they were having a good time then I think your analysis is right. They were just happy about their success. I don’t really like laughing when a winning team is pounding someone else (unless the team getting pounded is the Spurs).
Reading is good...
In their defense
I doubt the laughter was controllable. I bet you’re right, though: it probably was astonished giddiness, not giggling. The recap at BE likely used “giggling” as hyperbole for effect.
I don’t think there was any malice anyway. I recall playing in games when we were beating other teams easily—it does make one feel upbeat and giddy.
Based on this game, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Suns let the Blazers win the next one, like they did in game one. It’d be hard to get up and play hard after last night. They could win, and they should want to so they can close out in PHX.
What is the opinion of Portland in PHX anyway? Do you guys attribute the win to bafflingly poor play by PDX or unstoppable play by PHX? Do you feel confident facing Mavs/Spurs? It seems like one weakness us lack of toughness at PF. LMA is no Amare, but Amare seems to be like LMA in that they’re both relatively soft, over-sized SFs/wings. No?
by Cepstrum on Apr 23, 2010 10:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The Suns lacked (past tense) toughness at PF
It has been true, but I think Stoudemire has turned the corner. He’s responding in the calm, staring sense of the word tough. The physical play he’s taken the first three games would’ve ruined him (and has) in playoff years’ past.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
I don't agree...The Spurs beat on him continually over the past five years...
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Ulysses S Grant
No, they let him run wild
Pop let Amare get off … then, whenever something physical happened, he over-reacted in some fashion or another.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Good questions really
I can speak for everyone obviously but I have been around enough to get a certain “vibe.” I think most educated Suns fans recognize that PDX is a good team that has really had the carpet ripped out from under them. I mean, not only do you have numerous injuries, but the biggest of them all comes right at the end of the season so you have little time to prepare for a grueling playoff series.
At the beginning of the series everyone was saying that PDX’s length always gets to PHX and I think that is a correct statement. That, more than anything else in my opinion, is why Amare seems soft at the PF. And frankly, Camby is doing a good job on him. I would not be at all surprised if, in this next game, Amare comes out strong for 25 pts. McMillan will have to shut down Rich somehow and that will leave Amare more free.
As far as facing the Mavs or Spurs should we get out of this round alive…personally I just don’t know. I feel that the Mavs are a better team, but playing the Spurs is always bad voodoo for us. I want the Mavs, but I have seen a lot of people who have claimed to want the Spurs. I guess home court would be nice for a change. Guess we will see.
Reading is good...
by N8lol on Apr 23, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good analysis
Quite helpful (and generous to the Blazers). Whatever you do, please beat the Spurs, Lakers/Nuggets/Jazz, and Cavs. :)
that suspension that Amare et al. got a few years back in the playoffs was really too bad. That’s one reason why we don’t want him suspended for the “elbow” (I think only the Blazers tv announcers want that. Heh).
Do you think Amare>>LMA? What about LMA’s potential? I’d like to hear non-PDX people talk about him—he’s rarely discussed or known outside Portland. Is he similar to Amare, or is he really not a legit star PF? If not, I wonder if the Blazers need to look into getting one—after they get another ball handler. OTOH, if Oden were healthy, LMA might be an ideal PF to play alongside Oden.
by Cepstrum on Apr 23, 2010 12:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
See I disagree with Ceek
He doesn’t look at all like Amare young. Watching LA for a while now (my wife’s from Portland) I think he has a lot of upside. Even trying to get over my bias for Amare I am going to say he is not there yet. However, the difference is merely that Amare has more and better post moves. They are about the same in terms of their shot taken which is really pretty good.
Amare simply has the ability to take it to the rim in a way that no one else in the league can. I think if LA can become an really really good rebounder, his game will elevate to a higher level. After that, the post moves come. I see him as being a more aggressive athletic younger Duncan (at least offensively).
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I saw that too
he shoved Lou in the back after he made a basket. What a punk. He keeps screaming like a girl trying to sell the foul…
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
My 12 year daughter doesn't scream like that...
Sounds more like a hiker getting molested by a troup of Bigfoot…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Ulysses S Grant

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