Practice Report: Suns vs Spurs Again, History Doesn't Matter...Except It Does.
The Suns got down to business preparing for the Spurs...again.
Of course, the hometown media who got their first crack at the team since putting away Portland was focused on the "storied" playoff history between the Suns and Spurs.
The party-line was that it doesn't matter. Only three guys are left on the team from 2007. Yadda, yadda.
The reality is the Spurs have owned the Suns and they know it. We know it. The players on both sides know it and Steve might have even let it slip a little when he talked about the series.
"I feel like it is a pleasure to play against a franchise that's been as strong as they have and the battles we've had in the past. To get another chance to play against them is great. These are the things I think you'll remember more than most things when your career is over, so to have another crack at it and go up there and compete and try and knock them down finally would be a lot of fun."
At the same time, Nash thinks all this talk about this history is misguided, "That's what you guys do best is lack creativity and come up with that stuff."
Nash said a better storyline is that you have two teams that people thought were left for dead, "That I think what's unique about this series is that the two teams with a lot of new pieces that were kind of in a transition period and found great chemistry and strength and it set itself up for a really good series."
The assembled horde scoffed at that. No blood, no story.
At least Amare understands that, "It's always been a dramatic series. Looking forward to it. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be great for the TV ratings."
Steve Nash Health Update
Anyone else find it ironic that our "old man" has a hip problem? No? OK, moving on then.
Nash, who sat out of practice today to receive treatment, said it was a good thing there wasn't a game today or tomorrow. He originally strained his hip in shoot around before Game 3 where it really bothered him. He said it was better for Game 4 and 5, but was at its worst in Game 6.
Steve is really optimistic that he will feel great on Monday for Game 1 versus the Spurs.
Other Notes:
- I played against them so many times, I know what they are capable off. The young guys need to watch the film and learn.
- Any time you make a mistake, they execute on your mistakes. We have to limit our mistakes.
- Best thing about us is that we're playing great defensively. It's going to be a battle again.
Gentry
- They are different than the Portland team. They will push the ball with Parker and Hill. If they don't have it, they will go to Tim. 25 touches per game for Tim.
- Don't see it being a low scoring series unless the teams don't shoot the ball well.
- Plan is to give Duncan different looks. Won't give him anything he's not seen over his career.
- Keys: Pace still important to us. Defending Tim in the post and Ginobili, Parker and George Hill. Stopping dribble penetration. (Gentry mentioned Duncan and Ginobili the most)
Nash
- Spurs are smaller than in the past. More of a pick and roll team. Looking to get in transition. They still have the usual suspects, know what to expect.
- George Hill really turned it on. He'll be a big factor.
- Our bench is a huge part of our team. Not a top team talent-wise. Our depth, chemistry, our ability to go 10 deep is huge part of our success.
- Got guys that don't get to play as much, chomping at the bit to get on the floor so when they get out there, they play with a ton of energy.
JRich
- We can have a long playoff run.
- "Fans going to remember. I wasn't here. Dudley wasn't here. You can go down the list of players who wasn't here."
- We're a different team, we're going to establish something new.
- Fans feel like they got cheated out of a championship, but it's something new now.
- Determined to get out of the first round and don't want the season to end.
- Spurs will key in on me, but I have to move and find ways to get easy baskets.
- Our bigs got to block out their bigs and our guards have to come get rebounds.
- When you're on teams when you are scoring a lot and losing, they look at you as a selfish player.
- 7 1/2 years of my career, I was the go-to guy. Come here and adjust and find other ways to contribute. It was easy to accept, but hard to find ways to keep myself going.
- It wasn't hard to accept a lesser role as long as we're winning.
- I can feel from my teammates when I need to be aggressive. I have a good feeling when I need to get it going and when I don't.
- We have to do a good job containing their three guards, but if they are going to play a point guard on me or Grant, we have to take advantage and go to the post.
- Jason turned his ankle in Game 6. It was painful, but I wasn't going to go off the court. Not in a game like that.
JRich talking about Grant's dunk on Bayless
"They look at Grant and think he's an old guy that can't jump. I never seen him get up that high in awhile. I've seen him get a couple of blocks but to get a guy coming face on from the weak side and straight up on him. That was an amazing block. Probably the best block I've seen this year."
When Grant makes plays like that it lifts the rest of the team. The guy comes in, works hard, never complains and goes out there and gives 110%. Young guys have to follow along.
Barbosa
- Defense is better then it used to be. We've been working a lot more on it. We didn't used to play a lot of defense but Coach knew we needed to work on that all year
Dragic
- I played against Tony Parker 4 years ago in the European championship. The Phoenix Suns scout saw me there that game and I had a really good defensive game
- I just have to stay in front of him and if he's going to make shots over him that's ok, but I have to stay in front of him
I came across this from a couple of years ago. Does it still apply?
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But that would mean they turn good at the end...
My stomach churns at the thought. I would much prefer an alternate ending where we light-sabered both them and the Emperor (David Stern)
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
One if my keys to the game
AS we saw in our last series our bench can be a huge factor. I think it is even more key to us this series, but for maybe some different reasons. The spurs are not that deep and will be relying on 6 players to play most of the minutes. If our bench can maintian anything for us, even endure a little run and give our starters their normal rest. If they can do this than our starters will come in fresh at about 6 in the 2 and 4th and play against tired spurs starters. This should give us better closing power at the half and in the at the end of the game. Plus, the high energy of the bench will help to tire those playing heavy minutes. I think this could be a real key. Ride the bench, maybe even more than usual. Just one other thing. The bench does not have the history and stigma the spurs have put on some of the players.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 1, 2010 6:50 PM MST reply actions
Exactly! The entire bench except Barbosa has only heard about the Spurs money on the Suns’ back, but never felt it.
by 8472species on May 1, 2010 8:08 PM MST up reply actions
we Suns fans know the difference
Mike D used to always say he went ‘at least 8 deep’ too. Cept that 8th and 9th guy was always different, and rarely played more than a few minutes and never made a real difference. Seeing 8 or 9 in the box score the next morning does not really mean you have an 8 or 9 man rotation.
The Suns have a distinct and clear 10-man rotation. each guy plays at least a quarter of the game, and has an exact role he fills while on the floor. And the 2nd unit plays as a complete unit for 10 minutes of each game (5 in the first half, 5 in the second) and really plays well.
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During the season, the Spurs had 10 players who played regularly, with Bonner playing the least of that group at 18 min/game. Matchups will dictate who plays at the end of the rotation, and for how long. Bonner, Blair and Bogans will most likely get significantly more minutes against the Suns than they did against the Mavs, certainly closer to regular season #‘s than what happened in that first-round series. (I don’t know about Mason – he’s been quite a disappointment).
At any rate, y’all don’t have the advantage here that you think you do. More importantly, the team that plays more players isn’t necessarily the better team.
I am curious
why guys like Bogans and Bonner and Blair will get more minutes against the Suns than the Mavs?
Those guys played a lot in the regular season but wasn’t that due to injury? There wasn’t any really long stretch of the season that Manu, Tony and Hill were healthy at the same time. Right?
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by Seth Pollack on May 2, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
Sure, injuries were a big factor in affecting the rotation, and as a guard Bogans benefitted the most with increased playing time. In the Mavs series Blair played less b/c of the Mavs’ length, and Bonner couldn’t hit a 3-pointer. In the Suns series if Bonner can hit some threes he’ll stay on the floor. In such an up-tempo series Blair will spell TD with solid energy and rebounding. Bogans will be used mainly for defensive purposes.
you do realize
that the suns destroyed the Blazers with the 3rd-slowest tempo of the first round? And that the Spurs/Mavs series was significantly higher tempo?
I’ve asked this before and will again – does Blair ever play with Duncan at the same time? I think they sub for each other. So if Blair is going to get more minutes, then Duncan will get less?
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That is true, but we still do have the advantage on the bench. We are the only team in these playoffs that will play our entire bench together on the floor for long stretches. Our bench is actually our biggest strength. Because of that we actually need to play them. There have been many times in the regular season and against Portland in these playoffs where our bench would out play the opposing teams bench and their starters. They have a great chemistry. They thrive on hustle and energy. We are actually not playing up to our strength as a team if we aren’t playing our bench for enough minutes.
Because of that our bench is probably top 5 in the league and maybe even #1( I’d have to check out Cleveland and Boston). The Spurs, Mavs, Jazz and Hawks aren’t far behind. They too have good benches. The Magic have a good bench as well, but the problem with them is that they’re too deep and because of that guys aren’t getting consistent minutes for each game in which case their chemistry isn’t that good. Sometimes Peitrus will play 25 mintues one game and the next game he gets just 6 min while Ryan Anderson gets 25.
More minutes is a possibility for those guys, but Seth is right. I think Pop is going to have a lot to experiment with as far as who plays more against these Suns. I can see Mason and Blair getting more minutes if Hill isn’t hitting threes and if Mcdyess isn’t rebounding enough, but for the series overall I think you are exaggerating their possible minutes.
I really hope
you play 10 guys at least 18 minutes
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Darth Popovich...I hear that raspy voice in my sleep...
It’s time we vanquished the Evil Empire!!!!
A series win and a few real hard fouls on GNosebleed would make my year…..
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
I would read a book on the Spurs
This won’t happen, because why would the Spurs cooperate, but I wish some NBA journalist would write a tell-all book on the Spurs. I’d really like to find out whether all their dirtiness was smugly planned in advance or whether it just happened in the heat of the moment.
by 8472species on May 1, 2010 8:26 PM MST reply actions
The Spurs are just old-school..
All teams used to play like that back in the 90’s and before. Hell, in comparison to Stockton & Malone, or the badboy Pistons, the Spurs are a bunch of choirboys.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on May 2, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
the joy that was the Miami Heat vs. the Knicks circa early 90's...
No coma, no foul….
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
ah... good times...
loved those series.. games used to be truly meaningful to those players back then.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on May 2, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
Problem today is there is just not enough love between players...
Back then players loved each other enough to knock the living crap out of each other, especially during a crucial playoff game…It really showed you cared…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Andrew Bynum is hurt; would be great for Suns if Lakers lose him
According to http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtZDnRU7d9g5covNuo2JlWW8vLYF?slug=ap-lakers-bynum , Andrew Bynum has a small meniscus tear in one knee, and is “questionable” in Game 1 against the Jazz. Let’s hope that he goes ahead and plays, because if it gets worse and the Lakers lose him, two things will happen: the Jazz might upset the Lakers, thereby giving the Suns an easier opponent in the WCF, or more likely, the Lakers will meet the Suns in the WCF without Bynum. Either of those outcomes would be great.
by 8472species on May 1, 2010 8:41 PM MST reply actions
don't count on injuries
Rather, count on beating another team’s best. I’m glad the Spurs are healthy. makes winning that much more fun.
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I know, but I’m on the fence between idealism and pragmatism here. For instance, I wouldn’t throw a season to get a #1 draft pick, but I would try to lose a few late-season games if I wanted a certain playoff opponent.
by 8472species on May 1, 2010 9:56 PM MST up reply actions
+1
Twitter: @dahking
Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.
think of it this way
it’s good for either the Suns or Spurs and I know if the Spurs beat the Suns I will be rooting for them to beat the Lakers. So there’s really no downside to this Bynum thing….except for the whole decent human being angle
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