LB for Threeee! Thoughts on Why Leandro Barbosa is the Suns' Key Against the Lakers
by JSun on May 11, 2010 9:21 AM MST
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PrintSince we have to wait until Monday to get this started, BSOTS needs to fill some space. It will give all us arm-chair coaches a lot of time to discuss, analyze and pretend to know what we're doing. Mental masturbation, that is.
We can all remember Dan Dan Tony's love notes to LB. "Go to the hoop." "Don't worry about defense." Those sorts of things. Now, LB is a tested veteran. He really needs to show up. If he cannot perform in this series, against a team he traditionally plays well against, it's hard to see him as a member of the 2nd Unit next year.
Fortunately, he's also shown some flashes of defense this year. The Suns need him -- as he's usually been able to do -- to sprint down court and capitalize on the plodding tortoises.
I've only pulled stats from the playoff games, but he's had some good regular season games, too. Here is some video, and the poster apparently put things up in a foreign language. That's good public relations, now that our Southern Border is open and our Western Border is closed.
I dug up his playoff numbers:
Date W/L Min FG FG% 3Pt 3Pt% FT FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PT 4/23/06 W 28:29 3-7 .429 1-2 .500 8-8 1.000 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 3 15 4/26/06 L 27:19 0-5 .000 0-2 .000 0-0 1 1 2 4 1 1 2 2 0 4/28/06 L 30:30 3-7 .429 1-3 .333 2-2 1.000 0 1 1 4 1 0 1 1 9 4/30/06 L 15:50 2-7 .286 0-1 .000 2-2 1.000 0 1 1 1 2 0 1 4 6 5/2/06 W 24:47 4-9 .444 1-4 .250 2-2 1.000 0 0 0 2 1 0 1 2 11 5/4/06 W 47:22 7-9 .778 2-4 .500 6-7 .857 0 0 0 2 2 0 2 5 22 5/6/06 W 31:00 10-12 .833 1-1 1.000 5-5 1.000 0 1 1 2 1 0 2 1 26 4/22/07 W 34:59 10-22 .455 2-7 .286 4-7 .571 0 5 5 1 2 0 2 1 26 4/24/07 W 26:26 11-18 .611 4-8 .500 0-0 0 2 2 3 2 0 1 3 26 4/26/07 L 36:07 7-18 .389 5-11 .455 1-2 .500 1 4 5 2 0 0 2 1 20 4/29/07 W 29:21 3-12 .250 2-9 .222 8-8 1.000 1 2 3 2 2 0 2 2 16 5/2/07 W 32:59 6-12 .500 3-7 .429 3-4 .750 1 0 1 1 3 0 1 3 18
As a rule of thumb: in the wins, Leandro Barbosa shoots a good percentage and/or gets to the line.
Although the Lakers are better -- much better -- than those 2006 and 2007 teams, they are not any faster. The additions have come in the form of Derek Fisher and Pau Gasol (plus the subtraction of Kwame Brown). The team is no faster than it's been in the past. Whether Trevor Ariza for Ron Artest was a good move (I suppose there is some debate), Ron-Ron is definitely slower down the court than Ariza.
I don't think the Suns can win 4 by simply trying to run the Fakers out of the gym every night. The bigs will need to contribute. However, the Suns will need to be able to run. It is their strength in this series. The other strength is the bench. Let me combine an analysis of the two.
I don't see Lamar Odom having much trouble coming out to cover Channing Frye. Additionally, he doesn't need to be a big rebounder for the Lakers. Last I checked, Gasol was ripping down a bunch and Andrew Bynum is prone to do so every once in a while. Similarly, Gasol should not have great trouble covering Frye, but if Odom is not around, that does bode well for the Suns' offensive rebounding. In sum, though, it should be tough for Frye to come off the bench and contribute big numbers.
The Lakers' small lineup consists mainly of Shannon Brown and Jordan Farmar. If Gentry can force Jackson to give those guys extended miniutes in order to keep up with the Suns, Gentry will be my new man-crush. Even so, they can't run with Leandro.
I'm looking at LB as more of a barometer for the Suns. If he's getting good looks and/or getting to the free throw line, the Suns are able to neutralize the Lakers' size. This should also mean that other Suns are getting out in transition. And it's not so much about fast-break points as it early offense points. Amare has traditionally had a tough time with Bynum and, to a much lesser extent, Gasol defending him in the half-court. Making Bynum move on that bum knee is going to be important for the Suns.
Barbosa's good performance against San Antonio in Game 3 was over-shadowed by Goran Dragic (and rightly so), but I'm cautiously optimistic that this shows he is back in form. Perhaps he didn't break out, but last I checked Parker, Hill and Ginobili are pretty fast. I don't know that there are any Lakers as speedy as one of those three. More importantly, except for Duncan and Bonner, most of the other Sp*rs have adequate speed. On the other hand, Fisher might actually be slower than Gasol, Bynum and Odom.
What I'm looking for is two things: (1) whether LB scores more points than shots he takes, and (2) whether he gets at least 13 points (you can probably tinker with those numbers, but you get the point). He doesn't need to score a ton, but he needs to score and score efficiently.
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Dan Dan love notes
“Get to the hoop, don’t worry about defense” LMFAO.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
And Kobe hates the Suns a lot
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AsO4A.kBtB5l6WJ9HJ3wyts5nYcB?slug=mc-lakerssuns051110
Steve Nash plays D!!
Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"
Well we hate him too.
Judging from the ferocity in his eyes, you’d think the Lakers were the underdog with something to prove.
Yeah right!
"The difference with how they played when we met them in the regular season and how they play now is just confidence. They believe in what they’re doing."
I’m glad he thinks this way. He’s on to a nice surprise.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
My favorite part
When again asked about the Suns late Monday, Bryant muttered several strong expletives before walking away.
I wonder what he said…..
Steve Nash plays D!!
Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"
Probably something about Raja.
"There ain't nothing to do in Milwaukee"
--Josh Smith
OH RLY?
by Jacob Grinyer on May 11, 2010 7:52 PM MST up reply actions
Great read
Very much what I was thinking. I havent seen LB all season. I mean, I have, I just dont see the LB I thought I knew. I thought his shooting wasnt really there at the start of the season, and when his wrist thing happened I thought he’d be really cautious to drive to the hoop as he once did. Injuries do mental damage too. I’m sure in the back of his mind was the thought that if he drive, gets contact, and goes down, even the slightest hit to the wrist could be a big problem.
But you’re right, LB has shown flashes. He’s always been pretty streaky, and a player that rides on his emotions. If he feels good and confident, he’s pure gold. If he’s not, he’ll play frantic, make tons of TOs, and hoist up random 3s and miss. And my thoughts were exactly the same on his team position. If he doesnt have a good and consistent run down the final stretch, I wouldnt be surprised if he goes. To be honest, I thought he’d go this season, but trades with this team (or lack thereof) just make people scratch their heads.
The Lakers: Just like LB, these guys thrive on their emotions. If you let them get that “on top of the world” feeling, they will truly own the world. But if you get them frustrated, they’ll look weaker than the average mortal man. This is truly a test of our defensive skills. Any other team we could play our usual high octane O with tight-but-not-great D. Not the Lakers. You might as well consider this the Finals. If we beat LA, we’ll beat any team the East throws at us.
I'm cheering for ya'll to win it all
But c’mon, the Magic would be a very, very tough series with nothing guaranteed.
actually I think the Magic
would be tougher than LA
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by Alex Laugan on May 11, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
Yup
They got the pieces for a title all across the board. They’re my 2nd choice to win it all after the Suns.
And they’d be more deserving, because they’d not Hollywood.
by 8472species on May 11, 2010 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
are Lakers slow?
You don’t mean the Lakers are plodding tortoises?, do you? I heard that they like to run.
by 8472species on May 11, 2010 10:52 AM MST reply actions
keep giving Collins minutes so he can absorb foul calls
Since we’ve heard that Robin Lopez can play only limited minutes right now, I hope Jarron Collins keeps playing—yes, I do. Because the Lakers’ star power and the NBA’s refusal to allow fouls on Bryant might cause the referees to call many fake fouls on the Suns, let Collins absorb as many of those as possible.
by 8472species on May 11, 2010 10:57 AM MST reply actions
well that didn't take long.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
just a little longer than it took
for a few Laker fans to grace a Suns site with their presence and all-knowing prescience of the future
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by Alex Laugan on May 11, 2010 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Do not feed the trolls. I ignored her for a reason.
by 8472species on May 11, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
Was that trolling
To point out that you have already laid the plans to criticize the officiating before the teams have even started playing?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
before they have started to play? Long history to work with, don't you think
And consider the poster’s comment in toto, not just this post.
Pretty much a troll on several blogs.
So the comment may not be trollish ...
But the commenter is a troll.
Side-stepping that discussion, and returning to the original comment about "Because the Lakers’ star power and the NBA’s refusal to allow fouls on Bryant might cause the referees to call many fake fouls on the Suns," you find this to be a reasonable viewpoint, then?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
i'm interested in this
I’d like to know how a lakers fan sees it, I agree with the fact that refs are going to miss calls from time to time, even make stupid calls, and it’s a lousy excuse to blame the refs if you lose. That being said, I think that superstars get preferential treatment, as does your coach, and I was just wondering if you guys ever think to yourself, man that was a terrible call, but I’m glad we got it! do you see kobe get preferential calls?
I think the notion that Phil Jackson gets preferential treatment is delusional. Every single coach is spouting his mouth any chance he gets.
But yes, I agree that Kobe and all stars (not just superstars get the ‘benefit of the doubt’, as I like to call it. Kobe, Gasol, Amare, Nash… all those guys get the benefit of the doubt from refs on iffy plays.
maybe
I wasn’t suggesting phil got better treatment, just kobe really is what i was suggesting, and I never thought about nash or amare getting calls, hard to see those types of things through your teams glasses..
of course not
but I wouldn’t say it’s a trend, I definitely wouldn’t say they get more calls than I see Kobe or Durant get..I think durant was the worst this year but in previous years i’ve seen it with kobe alot more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaZIAXJJDKQ
This is about as ridiculous as they come for preferential treatment… Nash wasn’t even involved in the play and he goes to the line! ;-)
In all seriousness though, this is a horrible, horrible job at officiating, and I don’t chalk this up as superstars getting calls but as idiotic officiating.
I got it
well played!
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I get it too
Kobe doesn’t have character – zing! What a horrible human being, that Kobe Bryant.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
it was a joke
all meant in fun
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oh Gil
you’re such a jokester. I like your sense of humor.
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The emotional angle gets played up too much
Sure, Kobe invited it I wish he hadn’t, because he knows as well as anyone that emotion doesn’t get it done, execution and preparation wins games.
Side note: I really hate it when someone says a star went off because someone taunted them – what, they weren’t trying their hardest before, and because someone heckled them, they decided to show them?
Isn’t “winning” enough motivation to do your best? It should be.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
not sure
seems like Jordan played angry.
replaying all those slights and hurts in your mind may not help you at game time, but it might help you put in some extra time in practice.
A lot of players, I think, pile on the motivation in any form they can get.
That would make sense
if it pushed them to prepare more.
Everyone is competitive, but not everyone has the will to prepare to win. I know I don’t. I get all pissed when I shoot badly in a pickup game, but do I go to the park and practice? No, I go home and eat cheese puffs and watch basketball.
Half of the outcome of the game is decided before the game even starts, and that’s a scientific fact.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
The foul was Holding.
Which was called as Grant Hill made his cut and Camby nudged him on the way in… (by no means would I make this call). How Nash was sent to the line for the free throws I do not know. HOWEVER, I don’t think this is a case of preferential treatment. This is just a case of a terrible call.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
Odom, Kobe, Fish
odom is 5th in league for fouls commited.. kobe and fish 18th… the suns have only Frye (at 23) and Amare (at 23) .. so i dont know what treatment Lakers are getting when they are being called for more fouls..
Phx and LA are tied with fouls commited at home and away in playoffs (still dont see any special treatment)
LA has made 188-257 FTA
Phx has made 201-260 FTA for playoffs
Kobe has 64-81 FTA (leading in LA)
Amare has 57-73 FTA (leading in Phx)
so i mean where is the Stern Conspiracy that suns fans are already crying about??
cool. hey thanks for the info
we got to get those Lakers in foul trouble
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Hell yeah of course we think that
Just like Nash gets the same type of treatment. As I posted before. If any fan respectable fan truly believes that his or her team can win the title then using the refs as an excuse is so way off. A real title contender wins regardless of what the refs call or don’t call. I honestly see it as a cop-out or a scapegoat method to use it or even bring it up before a single game has even been played. This mentality of “if we lose I know its because of the refs” is ridiculous.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 11, 2010 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Better teams will ALWAYS trump the type of calls a team gets. Yes refs make mistakes
but to rely on the success of a team based on what type of calls are made is really a lost cause. I believe in the Lakers chances because they have better talent not because of the type of calls they might or might not get. That horrible missed call that gave the Jazz a chance to win in game 3 could have gone either way. The issue was that due to lack of talent or clutchness D. Williams couldn’t make the shot. However, if you put Kobe in the same situation…chances are he nails it. All due to talent.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 11, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Good point. I am always thinking that a team just has to play well enough to beat both the system and the other team.
by 8472species on May 11, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
yes I agree
but if any team is considered a championship caliber team then they should never put themselves in the position to leave it up to a bad call. But you are right.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 11, 2010 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
was "mental masturbation" necessary?
JSun, it looks like nobody else noticed anyway (and I have no idea whether BSOS cares about this, because F-bombs seem to be allowed), but you could have avoided tasteless terminology in your otherwise valuable post.
by 8472species on May 11, 2010 11:30 AM MST reply actions
Zona, your mind is so perverted....
otherwise your would have put a hyphen between “fan” & “blog…”
I recemmoneding the ban hammer be brought out just for you…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
He would just
steal the ban hammer and use it mercilessly on others.
I'm thinking of a response to that
I’m thinking, thinking, thinkingthinkingthinkingthinkingthinkingthinkingthinkingthinkingthinking… ahh… that’s better. Now, what were we talking about?
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by Alex Laugan on May 11, 2010 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
Is that a joke?
I sincerily hope so…
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by Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai on May 11, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
it was a joke
yes, mental masturbation has great taste
by ZonaFlash on May 11, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
masturbation
doesn’t have to be sexual term. check out dictionary.com….oh and relax man it’s not the same as an f-bomb
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by Wil Cantrell on May 11, 2010 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
Okay, good sir. I’m not saying any more.
by 8472species on May 11, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
Check the link, y'all
Mental masturbation is a pretty common term. I’ve heard it used before.
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by Trevor Paxton on May 11, 2010 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
I'm getting stimulated thinking about it...
Just had a bright idea…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
We specialize in being tasteless at this site...
It’s all Seth’s fault…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
My real issue with LB's performance is that a while back he was, bar-none, the best scorer in the Olympics
That is, until Kobe shut him down.
Barbosa entered averaging a tournament-best 27 points after scoring 36 Saturday in a 93-89 victory over the U.S. Virgin Islands. But the Phoenix guard and NBA’s top sixth man never got into this game because of Bryant’s early defense, and was on the bench in foul trouble when the Americans broke open the game late in the second quarter.
Barbosa went 1-7 with Kobe draped on him.
Now, that situation is different here in a Lakers/Suns matchup.
“My role here is different here than it is with the Lakers,” Bryant said. “We have so many talented players and I don’t have to score a lot of points. I just try to do the best I can defensively.”
Unlike the Olympics where other players could work the offense, Kobe needs to work the offense, but would also have to shut down LB defensively. Further, Olympic rules are generally allow more physicality on part of defenders.
It will be interested to see how they defend Barbosa. I suspect they’ll see if he has any juice before they put Kobe on him. But if they do, we’ll have to see how Kobe does burning both ends of the floor.
Just chuckling
about the very real possibility that Kobe will be forced to expend his limited energy guarding a Suns Bench player. That is funny. And entirely possible.
This team...
has shut down Kobe before. However, we wernt able to shut down the rest of the team except once this year. If we can take 2 out of their 3 top scorers down a notch I feel confident that we can handle business. If we let Bynum and Gasol put up 50 then we will have trouble.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
Do you think we can talk him into doing that
4 times?
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
didn't Lakers own Suns BEFORE Suns' stride?
I would just like to observe: the Lakers generally owned the Suns this season, but wasn’t most or all of that before the Suns started playing as well as they play now? If so, the Lakers’ dominance from back then means much less/
by 8472species on May 11, 2010 12:43 PM MST reply actions
I believe you are correct.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
It's an interesting dynamic with Barbosa
He’s not relied upon anymore. By and large he’s had a pretty bad season, but obviously we don’t need him to play well to win constistently. On the other hand, when he does play well, it’s all money.
It’s like when you put on a jacket that you haven’t worn in a year, and there’s a 20 dollar bill inside. Obviously you got by just fine without, but finding it was totally awesome.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
by RMason on May 11, 2010 1:02 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
To that point...
It really seems like Gentry is quick to pull barbosa when isnt doing well. I think in the flow of our offense barbosa can really hurt the team if he isnt shooting/defending well. I say that because literally the ball stops with barbosa when he is on that second squad.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
When he is with Nash
He works the cuts and lanes to get open. If he isnt open the ball finds it’s way back to nash typically. But with Dragic I feel like he is trying to do too much. Instead of using Dragic in a Nash type roll..
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
yes exactly what I feel too
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Definitely true
When Leandro isolates with the ball, I get the same feeling that I get when my 5-year-old niece is running around with my cell phone. Inevitable disaster.
When he does something great, though, it’s like winning with house money.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
I thought that too
and wondered why since he is so patient with the rest of his bench. I wonder if that contributes to LB’s nervous/frantic kind of attitude when he is in.
Anybody else think it is interesting that the Suns beat Utah by 14 at home in a huge game for Utah on the last day of the season – the Lakers only exceeded this margin once in their series -—-and while the Suns were beaten by OKC on the road in April by 5 points, this was at the end of a 6 game/10 day road trip —and that is a better showing than the Lakers put up. I am pulling for a big surprise for LA and for the experts who have already written the Suns off again -—GO SUNS!!!
I've been thinking the same thing
but that’s ok. Let them be all be confident that their sweep over a pretty poor Jazz team means something.
The fact they gave up 102 points avg to a team that is basically D Will playing w/ a bum arm that might need surgery and Carlos Boozer who is way undersized (and much smaller than Amare) isn’t exactly blowing the doors off.
Averaging 109 against the same Jazz team isn’t exactly worth writing home about. The Jazz (w/o Okur and 1/2 of AK) would have lost to the Spurs or Blazers.
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by Seth Pollack on May 11, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
Basically, the regular season games
Don’t tell you much about how the series will play out. Yes.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
I was surprised last year that the Magic swept the Lakers in the regular season
and they almost got swept in the finals. The regular season is meaningless in comparison to what happens in the playoffs. If that was the case then tell me why no one gave the Suns a chance against the Spurs yet the Suns managed to sweep them.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 11, 2010 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
Im Usually not one to start a fire
…but you guys have to read this article from Bill Plaschke from the LA Times. The arrogance is almost sickening.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/columnists/la-sp-plaschke-lakers-20100511,0,4953262.column?track=rss
No day but today
As my girlfriend keeps pointing out to me in regard to size
Amare Stoudemire, once the Suns’ biggest starter at 6-8½, is now a power forward alongside 6-10 Jarron Collins, standing in for 7-0 center Robin Lopez, who is expected back, backed up by 6-10 Channing Frye.
It’s not the length that matters in the key, it’s the girth.
Yes, I'm a Troll
by The True Anonymous Coward on May 11, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
I would say the wingspan is the key
In addition to mass
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
since when is Amare 6'8 1/2"?
is he talking without shoes? then you can’t compare to Laker heights, when those are quoted WITH shoes.
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What about Mark Heislers take above
Lakers wanted Suns, but may regret it
Is that so L.A. , too?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Actually
in a way it is. The LA sportswriters just seem to go back and forth between gushing/fawning and crying the sky is falling. It is the weirdest phenomenon. It would make me nuts. Well, truthfully, I am already nuts, but it would make me more visibly nuts.
I stopped paying attention to them a long time ago
Except for Kevin Ding at the OCRegister, and Roland Lazenby at Lakernoise
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Well they are Laker cheerleaders
Ha. Not exactly … but they don’t swing their opinions with the latest loss or win, like most of the columnists.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
At least you can be pretty sure you won't see a headline in either Phoenix or L.A.
like: “ALL HOPE IS LOST”
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
I think I've been here before?
Didnt we just do this? Twice?
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
plaschke is a tool
not saying that cause he picked the lakers, saying that cause he’s a tool, and proves me correct every time he’s on around the horn, woody paige is included in this bunch as well, and steve mariucci.
I second this
Plaschke is a tool.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
thirds....
The Mayor of Toolville.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Well, he was wrong last series,
and one can only assume he’ll be wrong again.
Besides, isn’t saying that the Suns don’t have any of the things the Jazz have a good thing, considering they just got swept?
Who are we kidding?
I think we can all agree that barbosa is not playing the same type of basketball he played during those two series against the lakers back in 06 and 07. Even as a suns fan, I highly doubt Kobe Bryant is going to let his team lose four games to us. I mean look at the way he has been playing lately!
At least before we used to have raja bell as our ‘kobe stopper’ (so much for that working http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6n6POS9AIM)
Now we’re going to have grant hill try to check Kobe Bryant? I’m sorry but I’m going to face reality, lakers in 6.
nash2time
you are in trouble. You have been picked up on the radar of the legendary troll killer. Prepare to suffer.
Too bad
watching you hunt trolls is more fun than a Segal movie :) Don’t worry there will be many more.
Zonaflash
is just warming up. You are in for much fun.
I'm imagining I passed his background check
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Oh yeah
you are fine. But watching him hunt true trolls is a joy. Very witty poster and columnist, see I Want My Scalps article in the fansposts.
honestly I like to play with my trolls.
I rarely ban, if ever. Mainly, it’s out of deference to the guys that actually run the site day-in, day-out. I think it’s up to them what to do.
I prefer to have these trolls around to laugh at their humorous posts.
However, I can’t stand dishonesty. Pretending to be a suns fan as a laker troll is just dishonest and I just can’t abide that.
I am going to miss him...
They go so fast…Seems like they are here today, and gone tommorrow…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
You play with them
like my cat does when he catches one of those big tree roaches. My dachschund watches him going kill it, kill it. Cat just licks his paws and waits for it to move again.
my cate, on the other hand
acts tough to those roaches as long as they’re moving teh other way. Once it turns around and starts scurrying in my cat’s direction, he suddenly pretends its not there and walks away. What a pussy.
Twitter: @dahking
Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.
Lets SWEEP the FAKERS TOOOOOOO
Suns in 4 !!!! Fire burning !!!! Finals vs the Orlando Magic…
The general consensus for most laker fans is five, im compelled as to why that may be?
after all, we did beat you guys without amare, how would you explain that!
Steve Nash is the baddest man out there; no one, not even Robert Horry can hold him back. Oh, and Amare Stoudemire does play defense!
indifference?
I mean we did go 7 games with Houston last year with no Yao…..
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Wow! Not even 24hrs have passed since we found out it would be Suns vs Lakers
and the blogs are blowing up. To think we have until next monday till they play. The waiting although beneficial to the Lakers is murder for the fans. Both BSOTS and SSR might crash before then.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 11, 2010 5:00 PM MST reply actions
lol..
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 11, 2010 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
BSOTS fans will never die...
We just post inane quotes and multiply….
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
We must be fed all kinds of news or else we panic!
Steve Nash is the baddest man out there; no one, not even Robert Horry can hold him back. Oh, and Amare Stoudemire does play defense!
I seriously doubt any group has ever done panic as good as we have...
I am so proud of you guys…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Panic
is definitely a staple in the diet of this fansite. Very different than Rocket fans. We don’t even panic when we should. I watch the Suns and think things are cool and then look at the thread and there are 15 panic posts.
Perhaps that will subside now that the spurs are in the rearview mirror.
Nah, we wouldn't have it any other way...
Gives us a certain edginess…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
are we guna call barbosa beep beep again? I always liked that nickname for him
Steve Nash is the baddest man out there; no one, not even Robert Horry can hold him back. Oh, and Amare Stoudemire does play defense!
After this season, we'll probably have to call him "gone...."
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Frye is the key!!
I think Channing Frye is the key role player for the Suns in this series. I think if he can hit 40% from behind the 3 point line, Phil Jackson will be force to go small with Odom instead of Bynum. Thus opening up the middle for Amare. Also if the Suns can stay close to LA with Rebounding they have a great chance to win.
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