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Bench Play: A Look at the Lakers Second Unit

THE DOG FATHER.

It is no secret the Suns bench is one of if not THE best in the NBA.  They combine a solid blend of defense and offensive ability, athleticism, and gritty toughness that oftentimes provides that needed spark to turn a game around. You and I all know how awesome the Suns bench is, and the NBA has taken notice as well (took 'em long enough). 

The Lakers swoon down the stretch of the regular season occurred due to a variety of factors: starters either injured, old (Fisher), out of rhythm, or playing at 75% since there wasn't a whole lot to motivate them.  But a significant amount of criticism was aimed at a bench that wasn't all that deep and effective.

The Lakers lost a vital cog to their second unit  this off season when Trevor Ariza took the Houston chedda. Maybe financially a smart move for him, but not so smart if you're a guy motivated by rings. Enjoy The lone star state, Trevor. You pretty much are the lone star out there.

So, I ask the question,  will the Lakers bench be an Achilles heal in this series? 

Star-divide

In the playoffs, the Lakers usually go 9 deep. Below is a brief analysis of the Lakers second unit numbers in the postseason.

Lamar Odom

Playoff Numbers:

MPG:  27.1

PPG:  8.3

FG%:  44.1

RPG:  8.4

BPG: 1.4

FT%: 56.3

COMMENTARY:

Odom's size and strength represent a significant problem to the Phoenix Suns in terms of matchups.  Who do the Suns stick on Odom? Channing Frye perhaps? That's a tough assignment for Channing. But most defensive assignments are tough for Channing Frye. He has improved, I'll give him that. And he has proven to have a bit of a nasty streak he'll need to compete with Odom.

Robin Lopez has been announced the starter at the 5. He'll no doubt get time against Odom, and this presents perhaps the best matchup against the versatile Laker. Yes Lopez isn't in tip top conditioning shape, and yes he gives up muscle and experience. But his length and aggressiveness makes the matchup interesting. I can see these two getting nasty as the series goes on.

If there's an adjustment to be made, look for Lou Amundson to get a shot at neutralizing Odom with his pony-tail induced athleticism. Odom probably will attempt to run Lou over on the way to the rim, but Lou's a pretty smart guy, and fearless. Fearless Lou Amundson.

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From a scoring standpoint, Odom understandably becomes less of a factor the farther away from the rim he gets. It goes something like this (stats from Hoop Data): 

  • 58.5% FG at the rim
  • 47.7% FG at <10 feet 
  • 35.7% FG from 10-15 feet away
  • 38% FG from 16-23 feet away
  • 47.9% eFG from 3 (eFG adjusts for the fact that a 3-point field goal is worth one more point than a 2-point field goal...so take that 47.9 with a grain of salt)

MATCHUP:

On paper we're most likely looking at Channing Frye manning up on Odom, unless Lopez comes off the bench (dependent on a multitude of factors). While Channing's defense has improved throughout the course of the season, Odom's size, length, and strength may be too much for Frye to handle. On the defensive end, look for Frye to draw Lamar out to the three point line and keep him off the boards. This could be an interesting matchup, one the Suns could benefit from as long as Channing is knocking down his shots from deep.

ADVANTAGE: LAKERS

Jordan Farmar

Playoff Numbers:

MPG:  13.0

PPG:  5.1

FG%:  39.5%

FT%:  73%

3-PT FG%:  36.4%

APG:   .9

COMMENTARY:

Jordan Farmar's numbers don't do him justice. He doesn't play significant minutes, he's not a scorer, his assists are non existent, and while his 3-point percentage isn't fantastic, we can say he's a threat from deep if the Suns leave him or are slow rotating. He's an energy guy, aggressive, scrappy, brought in to spell ol' man Fisher, move the ball around, and get other guys going. Farmar is part of some pretty successful five man units the Lakers have utilized (check #4 below), of course Kobe is usually in the court with him. Against the Suns in the regular season he averaged 4 points a game and didn't do much else.

MATCHUP:   

Goran Dragic's length and athleticism should pwn this guy. I like the matchup a lot.

ADVANTAGE: SUNS

Shannon Brown

PLAYOFF NUMBERS:

MPG:  16.3

PPG:  6.0

FG%:  38%

3-PT %:  30.8

FT%:  67%

COMMENTARY:

Brown has tremendous athleticism and can score from in and out if not properly respected. He's inconsitent, but reports having him finding it of late. Brown dropped in 12 points on 5-10 shooting in the 3rd game of the Jazz series, and overall 10-31 in this season's playoffs. Leandro Barbosa most likely matches up against Brown at the 2. We know LB has his defensive liabilities but he has the quickness to stay with Brown. Still, Shannon has the size advantage over LB and could force an adjustment. LB-Farmer and Dragic-Brown may be the better matchup for the Suns.

ADVANTAGE: EVEN

Luke Walton

PLAYOFF NUMBERS:

MPG: 6.2

FG%:  33%

PPG:  1.6

RPG:  .7

APG:  1

Those of us who watched Luke as a Wildcat probably wonder how the hell he's still in the NBA. You may have read this, and while the source is certainly reliable, that isn't the whole picture. Luke Walton has an NBA job as he is kind of a Jared Dudley-lite type. The high basketball IQ guy who does the dirty work, spots the open man, hits the boards. Only he can't hit 3's with the frequency of JDudz and he's not all that athletic.  

ADVANTAGE: SUNS

Sasha Vujacic

The whiney Euro we love to hate hasn't played in the postseason, so I have nothing on him on that front. We know he can catch fire from beyond the arc and take it to the hole. He's also considered a defensive specialist and could see action against starters such as JRich, or attempt to smother Dragic or LB.

Obviously I'm making assumptions about these match ups, and depending on effectiveness, we're likely to see a whole lot of maneuvering on both sides. 

Below is some more food for thought brought to us by 82games.com. Below are the Lakers 5 man units (not including the starting unit) 

#
Unit
Min
Off
Def
+/-
W
L
Win%
4
 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Gasol 168.9  1.09  1.01  +30   21   11  
65.6
5
 Fisher-Brown-Artest-Odom-Gasol 142.5  1.10  0.88  +62   8   3  
72.7
6
 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Bynum 126.7  1.01  1.09  -25   11   19  
36.6
7
 Farmar-Brown-Artest-Odom-Gasol 111.4  1.02  0.97  +6   15   16  
48.3
8
 Farmar-Bryant-Artest-Odom-Gasol 96.9  1.20  1.07  +21   13   12  
52.0
9
 Farmar-Brown-Artest-Odom-Bynum 80.5  0.94  0.85  +16   9   10  
47.3
10
 Fisher-Bryant-Odom-Gasol-Bynum 77.2  1.16  1.07  +13   5   2  
71.4
11
 Farmar-Bryant-Artest-Odom-Bynum 58.7  1.15  0.87  +35   13   10  
56.5
12
 Fisher-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Gasol 47.4  1.23  0.93  +26   6   5  
54.5
13
 Fisher-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Bynum 38.7  1.29  0.97  +31   8   2  
80.0
14
 Farmar-Brown-Morrison-Powell-Mbenga 37.9  1.03  1.01  +3   4   4  
50.0
15
 Farmar-Vujacic-Brown-Odom-Gasol 37.3  1.12  1.03  +2   7   7  
50.0
16
 Brown-Bryant-Artest-Odom-Gasol 37.3  1.05  0.99  +2   7   6  
53.8
17
 Fisher-Brown-Artest-Gasol-Bynum 35.5  1.14  1.35  -13   2   3  
40.0
18
 Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Odom-Mbenga 33.8  1.13  0.96  +7   5   5  
50.0
19
 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Powell-Gasol 30.8  0.94  1.17  -16   3   6  
33.3
20
 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Powell-Bynum 29.4  1.36  1.09  +15   6   3  
66.6

Notes:

  • The Lakers rarely if ever play a full second unit, grouping Farmer, Odom, Brown (and sometimes Walton with 2 or 3 starters.
  •  Lakers were +36 (432 minutes) with Odom-Fisher-Bryant-Gasol-Artest. This lineup saw the second most court time of any lineup the Lakers used. 
  • The lineup of Farmer-Odom-Brown-Bryant-Gasol logged 168 minutes together and posted a +30
  • The lineup of Brown-Fish-Artest-Odom-Gasol logged 143 minutes and a +62
  • Farmer-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Bynum logged a team low -25 in 126 minutes.

Conclusions

On paper the Suns bench has a significant advantage in this series. Their versatility will most likely stretch the Lakers starters minutes since the Lakers pine dwellers simply aren't that deep and talented. If history tells us anything, the Lakers will play a mix and match with 2-3 second unit guys combined with starters out of necessity. The Suns can exploit these match ups especially in the back court, depending on the night (there's a different hero every time out, yes?) Specifically Dragic should be able to pwn Farmer and force an adjustment that can be manipulated somewhere else. Frye can draw out his man out of the lane, thus opening up the wings to drive to the hoop or feed the likes of Lou and slashers such as Dudley and LB. Odom will be a handful, but that's no big surprise.

 

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Whose bench makes a bigger impact on this series?

I know what you meant, a positive impact.

But it may be that the Lakers bench is so poor, that their poor performance is the bigger impact.

:_)

by Grey_Hound on May 15, 2010 4:16 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Will, liked your analysis...

THough I think we give Odom too much credit…It really depends on which version shows up…If the aggresive one that posts up and takes his man to the hole arrives, we got issues…If the passive, perimeter shooting and out of touch version arrives, We should be in the finals in five-or six gmes.

Phil knows this and is probably trying Zen mind tricks right now on Lamar to motivate him…

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 15, 2010 5:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Great analysis.

Anyone who has watched the Lakers know that Farmar, Vujacic, and Walton are streak shooters, and if they get in rhythm, they can be very dangerous. In the playoffs, the regular season inconsistencies don’t matter, so they should be taken very seriously. They are also high energy, with active hands and full court pressure.

     Odom is more of a starter – I don’t think Bynum will play all that much in this series if Frye does well.
     All that being said, our bench is up to the task.

by haremoor on May 15, 2010 5:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Ron Artest is a streak shooter too

He has streaks where he thinks he should shoot, only they don’t hit the target quite the way in reality that they do in Ron Ron’s vision.

by svspider on May 15, 2010 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your bench may be up to the task and actually do a decent job...

But no serious anlyst is going to place the Laker Bench above the Sun’s….

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 15, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hadn't seen

the “getting worse” part. If that’s so, then Odom moves into starting lineup and the bench advantage is totally Suns.

by svspider on May 15, 2010 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can't rely on him being ineffective...

we gotta bring our “A:” game every night

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 15, 2010 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

but on the other hand, LA can’t rely on him being effective.

by svspider on May 15, 2010 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Will I am hurt...

If you didn’t have such a rockin’ analysis I would be stricken by that “lone star” comment.

Gratuitous knife to an ally. I didn’t take you for the type. With such a great team as the Suns to keep you busy, I can see why you haven’t watched many Rockets games.

But really there’s a tall Chinese guy coming back and this blazing fast point guard who is remembered well in LA since he torched them this time last year. The NBA noticed enough to name him most improved.

And we stole Kevin Martin from the Kings while no one was looking. So Trev is not a lone star, not even really a star. But we are glad to have him and wish LA luck (not) with Crazy Pills Artest. He will go Artest before this series is over, count on it. And it won’t be a positive.

Other than the knife I am extracting from my ribs, loved your post.

by svspider on May 15, 2010 5:10 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree with you.

Not that it’s really relevant to this post, but I totally fear a healthy lineup of Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin, Trevor Ariza, Luis Scola, & Yao Ming.

by iwasneveryoung on May 15, 2010 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kevin Martin.

LOL.

http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/

by Scott Howard on May 15, 2010 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I get the laughter

but he actually fits in well. Really good eFG. Draws fouls like a magnet. And, I would definitely rather have him shooting the ball than Ariza unless it’s a set 3.

by svspider on May 15, 2010 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just liked you guys better with Landry

I just don’t get it with Martin. The dude is a volume shooting chucker.

http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/

by Scott Howard on May 15, 2010 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love Landry

I mean you gotta love a guy who leaves teeth in Nowitski and on the floor in Utah. But, we have Scola and now Jordan Hill who it appears was a victim of D’Antoni’s bias against young players. High hopes for him, if he isn’t just bait for Morey’s next trade.

by svspider on May 16, 2010 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I'm not a fan of Martin either

he’s one of those guys that looks good on losing teams. Its not all about scoring to win in the NBA. I like Houston, and hope they work him toward a better winning situation. But I dont think that was a good trade for Houston, in the long run.

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by Alex Laugan on May 15, 2010 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't have much of an opinion

on him. But Morey really wanted him and Adelman likes him. Rick coached him before at Sacto so I am depending that he knows what he’s getting.

He needs to learn some defense or he will become a bench scoring assassin.

by svspider on May 16, 2010 7:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

apologies.

i was thinking about this season and the loss of Landry mostly. K Mart doesn’t do much for me, and I’m not sure how he and Brooks are going to exist together.

For the record I like Brooks a whole lot. Yao, I’m kind of meh on especially with his history of injuries. I just dont think a guy that huge can last very long in the NBA. My own opinion based on nothing.

Of course I’ve been plenty wrong before. Thanks for the comments. ’Cept for knifing me in the ribs.

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by Wil Cantrell on May 15, 2010 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

recc'd

I miss you Scott. Wish youd hang around more often. You probably have ultra important things to do though.

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by Wil Cantrell on May 15, 2010 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am incredibly un-important.

I have however missed most of the game threads lately…which is pretty inexcusable. Should make amends this series (for the road games)

http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/

by Scott Howard on May 15, 2010 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually

he and Brooks appear to be really clicking and they like each other so we have high hopes. Yao is a really nice guy and great teammate. Hopefully he can play less minutes and last longer. When he is in he is good.

by svspider on May 16, 2010 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m a fan of Brooks. I’m a fan of Martin. Not sure if I’m a fan of them together on the court. I do like a healthy Rockets team next year if they can get a big guard and an athletic big in this year’s FA and draft.

P.S. If the Rockets are interested in Taylor Griffin and or Jarron Collins, I think the Suns could use a first round pick this year. HASSAN WHITESIDE!!

Banzai!

by Suns' Sensei on May 15, 2010 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

So far

They seem to be clicking together really well. They like each other. We could use an athletic big. But Jordan Hill is turning out to be a surprising pickup off the end of D’Antoni’s bench.

by svspider on May 16, 2010 7:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

oooh. forgot about Hill, if he lives up to hos potential, a healthy Rockets team could be sick.

Banzai!

by Suns' Sensei on May 16, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

All I saw was a picture of Lou!!! Thx u for that!!

Does Walton still have that stupid tattoo with stick figures?
48 more hours to go people!!!!

by Aztiramtempe on May 15, 2010 7:22 PM MDT reply actions  

bro those are the dancing bearsor skeletons, cant remember

Grateful Dead related…thank papa Bill for that one.

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by Wil Cantrell on May 15, 2010 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I should have google that b4 I made that comment..

I did not know they had a meaning. I know grateful dead was a band, but I have never heard of the bears till today. My bad!!

by Aztiramtempe on May 15, 2010 9:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

lol if u look over at silver screen and roll, their coverage of are bench is minimal

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/5/15/1473280/ssr-positional-previews-wcf

its basically just “barbosa is great and frye and dragic have stepped up as well”

-no mention of dudleys D
-no mention of the team D
-no mention of the low turnovers
-no mention that the bench might be faster and sneakier than our starters
-no mention of how well and cohesively they play as a unit
-no mention of how each of the bench players in engaged on every single play
-no mention of how well they have played even against other teams’ starters

Our bench has been one of the biggest reasons for our success. but they lakers and their fans prefer to consider the bench as just one variable (whereas they consider the starters to be five variables) in factoring success. I can’t wait to see the surprise on their faces when our bench scraps, claws, hustles, and sneaks its way to domination over theirs.

by yanyanman2 on May 15, 2010 7:41 PM MDT reply actions  

So currently the vote counts 74 for the Lakers bench and 388 for the Suns bench. All that this tells me is that since you posted this poll there have been 74 unique visits from Lakers fans and 388 unique visits from Suns fans. :)

by Jesse S. on May 15, 2010 10:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Interesting,

The Lakers best +/- is without Kobe.

by mountaindew77 on May 15, 2010 11:17 PM MDT reply actions  

To be fair, the Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Gasol-Bynum unit, which isn’t included because it is the starting unit, has a +/- of 155. Nevertheless, it is still interesting that Bryant isn’t in each of the top 3 or 4 lineups.

Banzai!

by Suns' Sensei on May 15, 2010 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Kenny Smith said it best

“Playoff success is dictated by who makes adjustments the best” I hope the Suns will that team. SUNS in 7

by Lyken84 on May 15, 2010 11:25 PM MDT reply actions  

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