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Grant Hill's Very Good Defense on Kobe Bryant

Ignore this one unfortunate play at the end of the first half of Game 1 and come with me into the numbers ...

Kobe scored 40 points and hit 13 of his 23 attempts. Interestingly enough, 7 of his 10 misses came against Grant Hill.

So having some time before Game 2, I broke out the Synergy Sports machine and looked at how Grant was effective against Kobe even on a night where Kobe was hitting amazing shots.

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What I saw in looking at all the possessions was Grant playing up tight on Kobe and still managing to deny him penetration. Typically, if you get too close to a guy like Kobe, he's going to go right by you, but time and again Grant was able to cut off his first step and force a harder shot.

Even when Kobe did get back, Grant he was able to recover and contest the shot, as in this play:

Here's you see Grant up in Kobe's space ...

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Kobe drives and what you can see here is the angle Grant takes to not foul Kobe while he's dribbling, but still get to the middle of the lane to cut him off.

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Grant then attacks Kobe's right hand and forces Kobe into a very tough step through move to the left, which he missed.

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Kobe did make four shots against Grant, but three of those came when Kobe used a screen and either shot over the Suns big man who stepped out or, in one case, he blew by Robin Lopez, who tried to trap.

Here you can see Kobe coming off the Pau screen and shooting over Amare.

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The only shot Kobe made against Grant in isolation was a very tough jumper and you can still see how Hill is focused on Kobe's right hand.

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Unfortunately, Grant only played 21 minutes in Game 1. Partly because the game was a blowout, but in large part because of foul trouble.

Grant had four fouls by the middle of the third period. When Grant picked up his fourth (and the technical), it was an eight point game with about 6:45 to go. After Grant came out of the game, the Lakers went on a 13-4 run in the next four minutes to blow the game open.

I looked at all four of Grant's fouls. The first was a very questionable offensive foul when he posted up Fisher and spun baseline. They called him for hooking his off hand. Not a good call. His second was when he reached in to tie up Gasol. Again, questionable. The third was a reach in where Grant knocked the ball away from Kobe and the fourth was some two-way pushing that Grant was called for.

Easily, two of those fouls could have been no-calls. Those are the breaks of the game.

 

How did the rest of the guys do against Kobe? Not so good, obviously. Kobe went 6 of 8 against Dudley, Richardson and one possession against Barbosa on a rotation.

Dudley's D on Kobe gave him a lot of space with the intent of baiting Bryant into taking a jump shot. But in this play early in the game, Kobe uses the space that Jared game him to drive by and get into the lane, where he forced Jared to foul. It was a foul.

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So yes, Grant Hill did play excellent defense on Kobe. Let's hope he gets the chance to stay on the floor longer this time and watch to see if Jared plays a bit closer to Kobe or if not, if Kobe is still aggressive or if he settles for the jump shot.

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I remember

that foul Hill picked up when he spun past Fisher. I really don’t understand how it was a foul. Someone put me out of my misery and explain.

by Toon Army Sun on May 19, 2010 3:20 PM MDT reply actions  

It was just an easy call to make

Grant’s right hand was there. The official saw it.

If you cut through Dunkin Donuts to avoid making a right turn at the light, you’ll probably get a ticket.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 19, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was bad too...

But nothing was worse than the foul Dudley picked up when guarding Kobe near the paint…When Dudley stood there completely straight up and down (fundamentally perfect defense) and Kobe crashes into him and drew the shooting foul.

Luckily my remote was on the other side of the room at that point, or it would’ve been through the TV!

I’m not going to blame the refs (entirely) for the loss in game 1. Lord knows, when playing America’s Sweethearts at their home court, you can’t allow the refs to have any say over the game. It was our fault for playing lackluster D on dribble penetration…period.

Hopefully, the law of averages will work in our favor tonight with better perimeter shooting, bench play, defense, and rebounding. This is a big part of the reason that I don’t believe LA will continue to shoot over 60% from the field tonight, nor that Channing Frye will go 1-10. The numbers state that these factors in game 1 were an anomaly…and with just those two changes alone, we would have an entirely different outcome.

by 7footer on May 19, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

But nothing was worse than the foul Dudley picked up when guarding Kobe near the paint…When Dudley stood there completely straight up and down (fundamentally perfect defense) and Kobe crashes into him and drew the shooting foul.

That ticked me off SO BAD!!! I was SCREAMING at the TV! How is that a foul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by GiantBehemoth on May 19, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

that was a foul

actually….in fact there’s a picture of it above. Dudley’s arms weren’t straight up and down when contact was made…

Grant’s elbow on that spin move wasn’t close or at the very least it’s a call they could make on any player spinning like that.

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by Seth Pollack on May 19, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I need to see it again...

I don’t have it recorded on my DVR anymore (erased that puppy as soon as it was over!)…But I remember rewinding the TNT slow-mo replay of that foul at least thee times, pointing out to my son how you could easily tell that Dudley was standing tall; straight up and down at the point contact was made.

The still pic above shows right before the contact, and you can see a blur around Dudley’s arms; hinting at the fact that he was moving them very quickly. I do remember this, he was moving them straight up, so that still pic may have been just one frame before the contact was made; when Dudley’s arms were actually straight up and down.

As I stated above, I know TNT played the replay of the foul when it happened, and they had a perfect view; in case anyone still has the game recorded and wants to look it up.

Anyway, didn’t mean to get all C.S.I. over the foul…but just wanted to tell you how I remembered it…lol

by 7footer on May 19, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

75% of Bynum’s fouls are called when his arms are straight up and the offensive player initiates the contact. It happens all the time to the Lakers Bigs.

by Vahagn Mkhikian on May 19, 2010 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Go Away. Nobody cares about your La*er woes.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on May 19, 2010 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

just making a point

this isn’t the first time someone gets a foul with his arms straight up, yet half this thread is complaining. But you can ignore me if you like,…The Lakers get ALLLLL THE CALLS, THEY CAN’T WIN WITHOUT THE REFS, KOBE’S TREATED LIKE ROYALTY, blah blah blah.

by Vahagn Mkhikian on May 19, 2010 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

ban ban ban ban ban ban ban ban ban ban

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on May 19, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

how did you know what we were thinking?

you’re good.

By the way, get out of here if all you’re going to do is talk shit. We banned one of our own because he went over to the Spurs blog and taunted them after a loss. not cool, dude. Not cool at all.

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by Alex Laugan on May 19, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

For the record,

he was banned for being a douche to Spurs fans both on PTR and BSOTS.

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by Mike Lisboa on May 19, 2010 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

All that rage cannot be contained in one ban...

I fear his return…But we shall the signs….1) Raw unfettered aggression 2) Copious quantities of cursing and foul language 3) Rage beyond the bounds of 15 consective tours in Iraq 4) An ample array of misspelled words and improper syntax and finally 5)The almost msytical ability to jump from subjeect to subject in a single post…

Let the watchman be aware…for his name is a name of anger…Let him who hath understanding reckon the name of the banned…the name of Brian32……

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by Daryl Ray on May 19, 2010 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

it wasn't on Dudley, I agree

but if its the same play I’m thinking of there was a foul

… the other thing I noticed is as soon as Dudley came into the game Kobe attacked him, and when to the hoop … I think kobe is trying to discourage JYD

by quid pro quo on May 19, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good stuff Seth

I liked Grant’s D and thought it was born out in the stats, but too lazy to go figure it out.
With a different ref, he may do much better at staying on the floor. Crawford isn’t really intimidated by stars or crowds so it may be a good night for Grant.

That Kobe D he is doing is very much the way Shane plays Kobe. Grant needs some hand in the face practice, but otherwise solid. And still some nights, Kobe will be Kobe.

by svspider on May 19, 2010 3:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I remember

How shady those Hill fouls looked. I definitely hope the refs step it up cause Hill’s foul trouble was a huge reason we lost game 1.

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by Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai on May 19, 2010 3:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I knew Grant would do well on Kobe

The only problem is if the refs are gonna keep calling that crap on Grant there’s no way he can even get in his face like he’s supposed to. Something gives me the feeling tonight will be different… at least I really hope so…

by GiantBehemoth on May 19, 2010 3:26 PM MDT reply actions  

To be clear

I am not saying the refs are why the Suns lost Game 1 but a couple of those calls were part of the overall story. Certainly didn’t help.

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by Seth Pollack on May 19, 2010 3:30 PM MDT reply actions  

We lost game 1 cause we didn't play hard enough...

But those calls didn’t helps at all and probably were the difference between losing by 20 and keeping the game close or losing by 10 at the most.

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by Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai on May 19, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

You lost game 1 because nobody played defense except Hill & u didnt hit your avergae in 3 point percentage.

Simple as that, in my eyes.

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by LakersFoEva on May 19, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Totally agreed

The Suns have a lot to brush up on from Game 1… I do think it would be a LITTLE closer of a game though. Maybe for the sake of our intensity we should be glad it wasn’t, I suppose we’ll see tonight!

by GiantBehemoth on May 19, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is why I hate to even bring up calls

there’s always going to be bad calls in a game and they go both ways….

sometimes the ones that go against you are worse just like some missed shots are worse than others depending on circumstances

I look at it the same way. Bad calls are the breaks of the game. Sometimes they go your way and sometimes they don’t. You can’t ignore their impact though and in the case of Grant, the breaks went against him and it had an impact on the game. Fortunately, it wasn’t the difference in the game.

There have certainly been games where the breaks went our way as well.

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by Seth Pollack on May 19, 2010 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can someone explain what Grant's Technical was for?

Haven’t been able to find an explanation, and they had the volume off for Game 1 where I was watching it.

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by Genesius on May 19, 2010 3:47 PM MDT reply actions  

ftw. lakers, that is.
Can someone explain what Grant’s Technical was for?

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by marionette on May 19, 2010 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

He waved his hand at the ref

much like wagging your finger, if its done to say to the ref that it wasn’t a foul, he can give you a T for dissension

the Suns had complained on several calls in a row and the ref was sending a message not to question him

by quid pro quo on May 19, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well no offense..

but they had every right to question at least SOME of those calls…

by GiantBehemoth on May 19, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

true

but if the ref thinks your complaining too much he’ll T you up … its a fine line and I didn’t like the call either, but like many have mentioned, you’re not allowed to play defense on kobe, its bad for ratings

by quid pro quo on May 19, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know that Kobe does that and much worse and does not get T'd up for it

But mainly I think the complaining from both sides was coming to a boil (Kobe had just gotten T’d up a few plays before) so I think the refs were just tired of it. …

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by Gil Meriken on May 19, 2010 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

surprised? it's the champs at home!
I looked at all four of Grant’s fouls. The first was a very questionable offensive foul when he posted up Fisher and spun baseline. They called him for hooking his off hand. Not a good call. His second was when he reached in to tie up Gasol. Again, questionable. The third was a reach in where Grant knocked the ball away from Kobe and the fourth was some two-way pushing that Grant was called for.

Easily, two of those fouls could have been no-calls. Those are the breaks of the game.

c’mon! man up, man! no complaining in the thread!

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by marionette on May 19, 2010 3:55 PM MDT reply actions  

i was pointing this out right after game 1. i thought grant did an incredible job limiting kobe’s options. kobe didn’t have a superstar night until grant was out of the game.

there are plenty of other places this game was lost, but it’s still tough to watch our one bright spot of the game be taken out by unwarranted fouls.

as a team we need to play perfectly just to compete with LA. it sucks we’re playing two teams at once.

"The way they are beating us," Ginobili said, " … it was demoralizing."

by lee4 on May 19, 2010 4:05 PM MDT reply actions  

What got us down was those calls got into our minds....

…phantom calls happen every game especially when you are playing Kobe. We were playing well and hanging with them till Grant got that tech. After that it was all downhill when even going straight up on Kobe (which Dudley did) gets called for a foul.
So dont let the refs get into our heads as the game progresses, play as the refs are calling for teams that are playing more aggresive.

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by atkammoh on May 19, 2010 4:05 PM MDT reply actions  

if Hill gets in foul trouble again?

if the suns will play Earl Clark in his place, he’s a good long defender they can use on kobe(he seems much quicker them Dudley, or on Odom, and keep Amare on Gasol.

by Lyken84 on May 19, 2010 4:05 PM MDT reply actions  

early in the game

I think it would be a great idea, just to see if he can be effective … but I dunno id I’d have Earl out there in the 4ht quarter, at crunch time

by quid pro quo on May 19, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

if you're going to do something wrong, do it RIGHT

i almost feel like saying, if we’re going to get called for fouls, LETS FOUL.

anyone…..
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"The way they are beating us," Ginobili said, " … it was demoralizing."

by lee4 on May 19, 2010 4:16 PM MDT reply actions  

wow, great link^^^ thanks for the memory !!!!

"The way they are beating us," Ginobili said, " … it was demoralizing."

by lee4 on May 19, 2010 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

you, you handsome devil, are welcome.

"The way they are beating us," Ginobili said, " … it was demoralizing."

by lee4 on May 19, 2010 4:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Suns in 4!

Since the suns didn’t bother showing up for game 1, it doesn’t count, who’s with me?

by c.lobster on May 19, 2010 4:27 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

:-)

I need a ring, DAMMIT!!

by Sunny_N_DC on May 19, 2010 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Grant Hill did play great defense on Kobe, but he just got baited. Kobe might be the most cerebral player in the league, even Raja Bell recently said so. What Kobe noticed was that the Refs were calling the game loosely in post up situations and they favored the offensive player this time around. He went to the post on most of the plays against Grant and Grant kept bodying him up and being physical with him to deny him the position. After a few seconds of this Grant would be called for the foul. Credit Kobe for adjusting to the refs and using Grant’s physicality to take him out of the game. You can bet if Kobe gets two offensive fouls while posting up players that are questionable (see Boston Finals 2008 game 2) he won’t get a third. The other Grant Hill foul in the third quarter was him “impeding the progress” of Kobe trying to cut through to get to his position. Impeding the progress is a foul in today’s NBA, has been for years.

Grant Hill even blamed himself for not adjusting to how the game was being called. They weren’t hard fouls, they were definitely touch fouls, but he got baited by Kobe, plain and simple.

by Vahagn Mkhikian on May 19, 2010 4:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Alright ...

I will give you that… What explination do you have if I was to provide you with nearly exact examples on the other end where fouls where touch fouls and not called in the same series of plays?

I think the point here is that if it’s touch fouls… then great, call them. However, doesn’t that mean that touch fouls should also be called on the other side of the court. The NBA has basically a different set of rules for every game.

Thats what I think is old. How do you play defense or sometimes even offense against guys like Kobe?

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by antiw0rm on May 19, 2010 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Phoenix shot 10 more free throws than the Lakers even though you didn’t penetrate nearly as much and shot a lot more 3’s and outside shots. I’m sure there were touch foul calls missed on both sides. When Grant Hill is trying to deny Kobe the ball by being aggressive for 5-7 seconds the Refs see it and call it.

by Vahagn Mkhikian on May 19, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

you're right

Kobe is god.

Glad we cleared that up on SUNS BLOG! Phew, I feel so much better about MY life knowing that Kobe is a god.

Vahagn, you’re the best. Thank you.

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by Alex Laugan on May 19, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, the best way to stop Kobe’s jumper is to foul him. Plain and simple, Kobe gets hit on his right arm at the top of his release, or he gets hit while bringing the ball up for a shot on most of the shots that he misses. I know that sounds like fanboyism, but I watch every laker game and the FSW crew makes it a point to slow-motion show how often kobe gets fouled in his jumpshot without being called for it. Even when Shane Battier was putting his hands to block Kobe’s face, at least 30-40% of the time he’d actually make contact with Kobe’s face.

Grant Hill needs to trust his defensive ability and not be so adamant in playing Kobe so physical BEFORE he gets the ball if the Refs are calling it that way.

Also, just as a sidenote. There is no such thing as a Kobe stopper. Lots of people have been called that, they don’t exist. Shane Battier was a Kobe Stopper so was Ron Artest except Kobe torched them all last year and into the playoffs. Bruce Bowen is a Kobe stopper but he couldn’t do a thing against Kobe in the 2008 WCF. In fact Kobe has a higher PPG against the Spurs than any other active player, and that’s always been a phenomenal defensive team. The Celtics stopped him in 2008 for 4 of the 6 games but haven’t been able to do anything against him the last 2 years. Lakers are 3-0 against the Celtics when Kobe’s played in the last 2 seasons.

Grant Hill is a good defender, but he’s not going to slow Kobe down much.

by Vahagn Mkhikian on May 19, 2010 4:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Who is this Kobe you keep speaking of? Does he play good basketball?

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by RMason on May 19, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear this Kobe Bryant excels at placing a round ball made of leather into a hoop raised above the ground nigh 10 feet. Additionally, I have heard that this Kobe Bryant excels at the tender art of romance between two adults of the male gender.

by Justin Burning on May 19, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excelling at the tender art of romance and placing a round ball into a hoop....!!!

Wow! He is a God!

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 19, 2010 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

That did it...

I’m a convert to the Church of Kobe…Where can I mail my tithes and offerings?

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 19, 2010 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know right!?

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by 2NASHTY on May 19, 2010 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Church of Kobe

Where 19-year-old girls are always welcome.

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by RMason on May 19, 2010 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear he can take off his underwear without taking off his pants. Yeah, believe it.

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by RMason on May 19, 2010 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

so the only time Kobe ever misses is when he's fouled?

jeezus… for friggin kdding me right?

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by Alex Laugan on May 19, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow

I can’t type today for the life of me

maybe I should go home sick. I can’t be of any value at work if I can’t put together complete sentences.

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by Alex Laugan on May 19, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I told you before, dking...You gotta go to work with the intention of concentrating on one thing...

You can’t let work cloud your thinking, your sole focus has to be on BSOTS…

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 19, 2010 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

wierd

some post have been deleted

by quid pro quo on May 19, 2010 5:07 PM MDT reply actions  

The dreaded Ban-Hammer has struck...Hope they didn't get me...

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 19, 2010 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Momentum change fouls

Game1 MVP goes to Kobe, Odom and Referees.

Those fouls were…%&$#
That technical on 3-time sportsmanship award winner?

But it will make Hill, even more focused in Game 2.

I prefer lopsided, bad-officiating loss than close one.
It will give our team something more to prove in Game 2.

by enjoynash on May 19, 2010 6:51 PM MDT reply actions  

It's official

Kobe has resorted to passing…

Great D Hill :)

Read.

by jog on May 19, 2010 9:52 PM MDT reply actions  

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