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For the Phoenix Suns It's Back To Defensive Basics

The word of the day is "simplify," so in an effort to keep this really simple, here's a quick recap of where things went wrong and what the fixes might be.

What went wrong:

Too much fronting, poor communication and rotations, they hit shots.

What will change:

More basic defense sets, more Robin Lopez and better Channing Frye, better communication and hope they miss shots on the road.

And that's just how simple it is.

Star-divide

Although I would add one more thing that's not been discussed: the Lakers did a good job attacking early in their offense before the Suns defense could get set. Before the series, Alvin Gentry said the Lakers would play up tempo and they have. Game 2 had 98 possessions, which is a pretty fast pace.

They were effective running an early high screen and roll with Kobe and Gasol and later in the game beat the front by throwing a quick lob before the rotation players were in position to help from the weak side.

Supporting Quotes

  • "We changed some things to try and avoid the ball in the post area so much with Gasol and Bynum ... I don't deflect anything. I take responsibility for that." - Coach Gentry
  • "You're playing against a team that has superior size and you got to try and do something to combat that. That's what we tried to do. Obviously, it didn't work out." - Coach Gentry
  • "That's what happens when you play a good team with great players; you try and figure out a way if you can help in that particular area and make somebody else beat you, and they've been able to make shots." - Coach Gentry
  • Farmar, Brown and Artest shot the ball better than anticipated -- they went a combined 25 of 54 (57%).
  • "We wanted to front them and limit their touches on the ball," Frye said. "It deterred them for a little while and then they kind of picked it apart at the end. We just have to continually adjust." - Channing Frye
  • "Going to a game plan where we're leaving Artest and Odom open to try and beat us, and they have. Not only did they beat us but Kobe, Gasol and everybody else still played well and you can't have that." - Jared Dudley
  • On keeping those guys from getting good looks early: "If you miss your first two or three shots, it's a lot harder to hit that in the third or fourth quarter." - Jared Dudley
  • "We definitely weren't on the same page. Sometimes we were playing zone and some guys didn't know and some guys did. On traps and rotations, just a little hesitant." - Jared Dudley
  • "Even with that (fronting), they were still finding a way to get the ball in the post, so that was kind of discouraging how we were fronting and they were still scoring in the post, so we definitely have to switch that." - Jared Dudley
  • Fronting creates open jump shots on the opposite corner, opposite wing and if they drive middle, it's hard to help when you're fronting.
  • "I think we over think it a little bit. Coaches are coaches, players are players. When you're playing a great team, you want to be so precise; you want to be on your game and you kind of over think things a little bit too much as players and I think that we're all going to get back to the basics and just play regular basketball. Force baseline, keep 'em out, box out and get back to basics." - Jared Dudley
  • "We will do a lot in that area right there. Simplifying and seeing if that helps at all. It would help if they would miss a few shots, as well. That would help." - Coach Gentry
  • Asked about keeping Robin and Channing on the floor more: "I think that's a good point and we're probably going to have to do that. I think we are very good offensively with the small group in there, but it's just really hard to rebound the basketball and fight those guys even with the effort that Grant and JD gives us, we're still so so undersized." - Coach Gentry
  • Communication, playing smart, playing hard. All three have to change. - Jared Dudley
  • "I think everybody's playing hard, but we just have to play smarter. I don't think the effort is the problem, I think it's 'hey, let's play behind, let's know when to double and if we double know your rotation, know what you're supposed to do afterwards, and once that ball goes up, find a body, box out and lets go.'" - Jared Dudley
  • "We can play better defensively. At the same time, they do cause a lot of problems for us. What we threw at them didn't work so we're going to try and do it better and change it up and do some different things and see what we can do, see how good we can be defensively." - Steve Nash

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really looking forward to game three

Phoenix, Arizona where BULLY BALL HAPPENS!!!!!!!!

by Bkj on May 22, 2010 2:51 PM MST reply actions  

how is Tom Cruise's kid so dark?

wasn’t his wife lilly-white? I’m just talking skin tone, not ethnicity here.

Twitter: @dahking
Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.

by Alex Laugan on May 22, 2010 2:54 PM MST reply actions  

Guessing that he and Demi

adopted that one…or maybe it was Nicole Kidman. Can’t keep up…

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on May 22, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

most likely

Twitter: @dahking
Too late to change the stupid twitter name. Did it as a joke to my teenager, but now I'm hooked on the news-feed aspect of twitter.

by Alex Laugan on May 22, 2010 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

It's the latest craze among stars...

Adopt a child another country…Kinda like an accessory now..

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 22, 2010 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Cohen is hailarious..

Uncouth but hilarious…

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 22, 2010 6:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Both of the children he & Nicole Kidman had are adopted.

They also had a girl.

Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I read your damn book! -- Patton

by Aztiramtempe on May 22, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

It sounds good...

Now let’s see if we actually do it. I think we have the talent to win, even with basic defensive assignments. The only question is, will the players buy into it and give 100%? That has yet to be seen

by 7footer on May 22, 2010 2:58 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Stat comparisons: Amare 41 points, 9 rebounds, 11-17 ft shooting, 3 assists 3 blocks, 15-27 shooting, approx. 75 minutes, 6 turnovers, 1 steal

Pau gasol: 50 points, 13 rebounds, 10 assists, 4 turnovers, 8-11 ft shooting, 21-32 shooting, 2 blocks, and est. 81 minutes. Pau gasol is outplaying amare but not as much as you think. Just if amare played better defensively, then pau gasol would also be bashed on and we would not be discussing whether amare is worthy of a max deal

Phoenix, Arizona where BULLY BALL HAPPENS!!!!!!!!

by Bkj on May 22, 2010 3:01 PM MST reply actions  

Pau and Amare being equal is probably a benefit to Phoenix. This is what is killing you.

Lamar Odom: 36 pts. 30 reb. 7 ast. 64% shooting

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on May 22, 2010 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

i know, but no one is bitching about how gasol isnt worth his 3 yr 57 million dollar contract, especially since

amare has off the court issues and his team is implementing new stuff; it bothers me because everyone has yet again turned their back on amare when the lakers very own pf is having almost as much trouble as amare

Phoenix, Arizona where BULLY BALL HAPPENS!!!!!!!!

by Bkj on May 22, 2010 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Pau vs. Amare

Pau isn’t having much trouble at all. Have you been watching the games?

I think everyone would back off Amare if he would just stop talking and play basketball. Hes not taking any responsibility for his team’s play. He isn’t a leader and i don’t believe you can give a max contract deal to someone who doesn’t wanna be that kind of player. If he took the 3 yr 57 million dollar contract, I think everyone would be happy.

Do you want him to be the next Jermaine Oneal? $22,995,000 this year. Tracy Mcgrady, $23,239,561? These contracts kill a team chances to compete.

by Dukeston1 on May 22, 2010 10:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Think of Oneal before all his injuries...

Didn’t mean to get this much of a rise out of ya.

Jermaine Oneal was a stud not too long ago. An injury filled career has derailed his chances to be considered a max-contract kind of guy though. Amare has lost a year with knee surgery and parts of another with his eye injury. How many high flying big men have lasted longer then 10 years? How bout 5 years of dominant play? I can’t think of one. It always comes back to these type of guys getting injured. Kenyon Martin, Shawn Kemp, Jermaine Oneal…

Who deserves those max-7 year contracts? Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Dwight Howard, carmelo?, Durant?, Dirk?, Paul?, Deron Williams?, Nash?,…I would say not many.

by Dukeston1 on May 23, 2010 6:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Pau isn't having trouble, he's having fun

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on May 22, 2010 11:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally agree with this Laker fan

Regardless of whether Stat is even doing a passable job of slowing down the larger Gasol, it doesn’t matter if we’re wrecked this hard by the back-up PF. This is totally inexcusable (esp giving that Amar’e is theoretically the same size as Odom), and intolerable, if the Suns want to have any chance of getting back into this series.

In a way, I’m glad that Stat made that ill-considered “lucky” comment about Odom—he said, now he better become accountable for proving those words not utterly wrong.

by tameszu on May 23, 2010 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

also

Phoenix, Arizona where BULLY BALL HAPPENS!!!!!!!!

by Bkj on May 22, 2010 3:01 PM MST reply actions  

OK, so yeah, this would be a serious problem:

“Sometimes we were playing zone and some guys didn’t know and some guys did.”

Um, well, no WONDER zone looks awful, and people are getting left open or free to collect offensive rebounds if ppl don’t even know the D configuration that’s being run…that is awful. OTOH, THIS problem, at least, doesn’t seem like it should be so hard to correct…

by tameszu on May 22, 2010 3:11 PM MST reply actions  

How do these things get scheduled?

Wouldnt Friday/Sunday make more money?
Dont the long waits between games lose viewers? Just curious

by dCoye on May 22, 2010 3:29 PM MST reply actions  

I would guess

they wanted both Game 3’s to happen on weekend and not on the same day…but who really knows.

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on May 22, 2010 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

just watched game 2 again in peace

saw some good things… bench played well on D, we played well big-ball for a strech or two… we must not allow open threes, force tough pass when double team kobe or pau, and with bad pass it’s easier to rotate… and reduce turnovers to minimum… amare actually played decent on defense in first half… in 2nd he really looked lost..

by zeze_999 on May 22, 2010 4:30 PM MST reply actions  

Totally agree

There were a lot of good signs from Game 2…and again, the Lakers defense didn’t slow down the Suns much at all.

At the same time, you can’t sugar coat giving up 128 points. Period.

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @sethpo

by Seth Pollack on May 22, 2010 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

What did Kerr say?

I don’t remember what he said that would be considered tampering?

It must be that time of day, the time to focus on sports.

by b0rd3rline on May 22, 2010 4:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Kerr's fine is ridiculous ... I heard the Dan Patrick interview, and it was a complete joke

He basically said “Of course we’re interested in LeBron … if he wants to come sign with us for the mid-level exception, that’d be awesome!”

by Justin Burning on May 22, 2010 5:06 PM MST up reply actions  

ell at least they didn't fine Nash for his back-handed slap at the League office...

I know Stern was probably tempted but felt it would make his disdain for us too obivious…

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 22, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Semi-related:

The Dan Patrick Show is probably my favorite sports talk show.

by Justin Burning on May 22, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

Easily the best non-podcast show.

by underxthebridge on May 22, 2010 7:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Good point

Cause I do really like The Basketball Jones, as well.

by Justin Burning on May 22, 2010 11:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I think...

That the NBA/Stern are going to be REALLY sensitive with what constitutes tampering with LeBron.

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on May 22, 2010 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Cuz' they want to be the only ones. tampering...

Stern & Co trying to figure out the most lucrative route to send him….

I meant “encourage him..”.

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 22, 2010 6:48 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

didn't stern said

something about lebron should stay in cleveland? will he be fined?

by zeze_999 on May 23, 2010 12:29 AM MST up reply actions  

You might have endangered yourself and your family with that statement...

Dom Capezio Stern doesn’t like those kind of statements before July 1….

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 23, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

A very good point...

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on May 23, 2010 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

And what about Obama saying Chicago's a good fit?

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on May 23, 2010 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

He can get some too...Since he's got a 2 trillion dollar budget...

His fine out to be about 25-30 million give or take a few bucks…

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 23, 2010 5:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm really feel we can get back on this series...if we just fine tune things a bit...only problem is we don't have a lot of time to do this

and dam Coach G…why did it take you so long to realize simplicity is better…I still don’t know who was the genius that thought allow zone defense in the NBA would be viable for extended periods of time…that works in college, but the NBA is the best of the best…if you can’t hit a WIDE OPEN jumper on this level…you not gonna be here to long

by ron_dasun on May 22, 2010 5:06 PM MST reply actions  

I could totally see this happening.

Suns win games 3 and 4 at home. Series tied at 2-2
Go back to LA (two scenarios for this one)
             1. LA wins at home again
             2. Suns fight to the bitter end and squeeze out a road victory
I’m gonna assume scenario 1. So the series is 3-2 Lakers
Go back to Phoenix in front of our peeps and Suns win again tying it up 3-3
Game 7 at LA and the Suns fight til there’s nothing left. Final seconds. Suns down by two. Nash for 3! Buzzer beater!!!

Now if scenario two happens I think we’d take it in 6 at home :)
Scenario one is more epic, but scenario two would be better for my health.. (I hear stress isn’t very good for you…)

Either way I’m thinking this can only happen if we pull off both wins at home! And even if we don’t I’ll think of ANOTHER scenario where the Suns win!!!

Lakers fans. Don’t you dare even post some stupid remark replying to this. I like to hope. And I won’t pay any attention to it if you do. So save your energy and use it to post on your own blog…

by GiantBehemoth on May 22, 2010 5:56 PM MST reply actions  

What really pisses me off is that everybody-fans, media… are already talking about a Lakers-Celtics matchup. The Lakers protected homecourt and that is it. The Suns haven’t even played there game yet. All they have to do is protect homcourt and take one in LA. That is still a possibility. It would take a bit of a choke from LA and some luck for us, but it can still happen.

 Man, I just want the Suns to win the next two, so people could go, “wait a minute, this series ain’t over”. Laker fans would get pissed because of their anxiety to get revenge against the Celtics. This would make watching the rest of this series even harder for them. Just think of the stress we could give their fans and the players if the Suns can just extend this series and get back to their scrappy ways.

 Maybe we won’t beat the Lakers, but lets at least do a favor for the Celtics and beat up the Lakers a bit! Lets wear them out and shake them up a bit so, the Celtics can beat the crap out of them in the next round! I don’t know why, but I respect the Celtics so much more than the Lakers. I don’t want to see LA win the 2010 Championship. I still believe the Celtics were the better team last year and would have won if not for KG’s injury. If we can’t beat LA than lets make it hard for them. That is all I’m asking for. Don’t disappoint me Suns. I’ve followed you for too long to be disappointed. 04-07 wasn’t really a disappointment because we gave it all we got, but just weren’t good enough.

by Beavis 25 on May 22, 2010 7:59 PM MST reply actions  

I know I sound somewhat of a hypocrite talking as if the Celtics will be in the finals, but I just looked at the score and there is no way the Magic will comeback to win the series down 0-3 with one more game to play in Boston before going home.

by Beavis 25 on May 22, 2010 8:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know what happened...This isn't the same team that swept Atlanta is it?

Looked like somebody swapped the T-Wolves D-L eague affiliate for Orlando during the off-week. This has got to be messing with Dwight Howard’s psyche…

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 22, 2010 8:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Perhaps, but boy could we use Howard! Just imagine him an Amar’e in the frontcourt together! Howard would be ok just focusing on rebounds and defense if it means a Championship. That would be the most athletic frontline ever!

by Beavis 25 on May 22, 2010 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I really like Howard.

I think he’d be a GREAT addition to our team!

Oh crap… I hope I don’t get fined for that comment…

by GiantBehemoth on May 22, 2010 8:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Stern is being such a nazi. Kerr was just joking around.

by Beavis 25 on May 22, 2010 8:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Stern is the only one that can discuss Lebron...

He weilds the ultimate Ban-Hammer…

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 22, 2010 8:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Amar’e on offense and Dwight on defense.. hmm..

Steve Nash can only give 100 percent. The other 10 percent he donates to his families.

by suns champ on May 22, 2010 10:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Atlanta

is an extremely fragile team emotionally with head cases like Josh Smith and JJ. If Bogut had not have been out, the Hawks would not even be talked about.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 22, 2010 9:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Celts

I knew the Celtics were going to win. The pundits were saying Boston gets KG back, and Orlando gets Jameer Nelson back, and it’s a wash. Um, wait a minute, KG=Jameer Nelson? Boston lost to them in 7 last year without him, and Rafer Alston was playing like he never had before.

Orlando is toast.

What I’d like to see is a Phoenix-Boston series. Gonna make Earl Strom turn over in his grave. This time Boston will be without the services of Glenn McDonald.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on May 22, 2010 9:32 PM MST up reply actions  

and jo jo white

Phoenix, Arizona where BULLY BALL HAPPENS!!!!!!!!

by Bkj on May 23, 2010 12:15 AM MST up reply actions  

i think nash and the suns

could beat the celtics…it’d the lakers that’ll be the hardest to beat for us – matchup wise.

Hope we get there

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger....or makes you a Suns fan

by jasonsuns1 on May 23, 2010 12:35 AM MST up reply actions  

It'd still be really difficult...

But man if it happens. It’d be a fun game to watch

by GiantBehemoth on May 23, 2010 12:45 AM MST up reply actions  

... I really don't think Boston will be good for you guys... It would be sad even for me, even though you'd have to beat us..

but I would feel bad because you’ll get destroyed, epicly. You Don’t match up well with them, we do. Nash vs Rondo= Rondo (big time), Amare’ vs KG= KG (easily), Perkins/Wallace vs. Frye/Lopez= Perk/Wallace, Pierce vs Hill/Dud= Pierce(still gets his 20 pts), Allen vs Rich= Allen (Allen plays D)
Overall, Blowouts and a sweep.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on May 23, 2010 1:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Bullshet; amare will OWN kevin garnett like e did in teh regular season, grant hill will slow pierce down

lopez is waayyy better than perkins, and if channing frye is stroking his shot he is better than wallace. Blowouts? We dominated this team back in november by giving them their first loss; in boston. That is totally crap right there

Phoenix, Arizona where BULLY BALL HAPPENS!!!!!!!!

by Bkj on May 23, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

All BS

all of it. Nothing in that comment was even close to true. Rondo is good, but not “big time” better than Nash. Nash can actually shoot the ball. KG over Amare? Do you even watch basketball? Pierce beats out Hill and Duds maybe…maybe…and possible Allen on Rich. Lopez v. Wallace is a wash as is Frye v. Perkins.

Reading is good...

by N8lol on May 23, 2010 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I can tell you are an astute football fan

That being said, the psuedo-science you used to conjure up your analysis is wrong…way wrong…

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 23, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Now this battle over here is more juicy and exciting:

Rondo vs Fisher/Brown= Rondo (but not in the post, fish is buffer, stronger)
Gasol/Odom vs. KG/Baby= Tie
Perkins/Wallace vs Bynum/Gasol= Bynum/Gasol
Pirce vs Artest= Pierce (barely, with 6 turnovers)
Allen vs Kobe= Kobe
(I don’t know why Phil doesn’t use Mbenga more, hes’ pretty good energy and shot blocker)

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on May 23, 2010 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

What is frustrating

is not because we lost, but how we lost. It doesn’t look like the Suns.
I believe they were mentally taken out because how stategically prepared Lakers were and how well they executed the plan, in almost perfection. I don’t mind the media talking Lakers-Celtics matchup, it gives Suns more to prove. I agree with you and I’m looking forward to see scrambling and out-hustling Suns once again !

by enjoynash on May 23, 2010 6:50 AM MST up reply actions  

old amare back

ok, i give him bad game or two… but why on earth is he discussing free agency? not even self-centered lbj didn’t discuss it for last 3-4 months, he put a stop to that kind of questions… and now, in the middle of western conference finals, for christ’s sake, he just goes on and on discussing it… jest say “no comment”, is that so hard???

he better show up today with 20-10 and play some tenacious D as he likes to call it…

by zeze_999 on May 23, 2010 12:51 AM MST reply actions  

Because the media keeps talking to him about it because they think the Suns season is already over for being down 0-2 to the Lakers.

by Beavis 25 on May 23, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

That photo caption makes me happy.

No more annoying celebrities being shown every few minutes. Just like how great it would be if they didn’t show that waste of space Kim Kardashian at every Saints game.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 23, 2010 11:10 AM MST reply actions  

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