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Los Gladiators and the Fall of Phoenix

Has anyone seen the Spartacus mini-series on Starz?  The first 10 episodes is mainly about Spartacus getting enslaved, abused, seeing his wife murdered, becoming a mindless gladiator, having visions, and the break-out scene. 

In it, much is made of the gladiators making money to earn their freedom.  Meanwhile, Roman citizens use the gladiators.  Rich women with too much time on their hinds use them for sex and watch them have sex with other slaves.  Pre-pubescent boys have gladiators fight and kill each at birthday parties much in the same way that Elmo might show up at a party today.

Political influence and economic power is gained and lost based on the success of the athletes.  Politicians fund stadiums with taxpayer funds and the fans show up and cheer.

Poor citizens were kept "fat, dumb, and happy" with free bread, free running water, government-sponsored athletic spectacles and rampant vice.

The "barbarians" (who are called that because they don't speak Latin and allegedly sound like sheep baa-baa-ing) are good enough to fight in wars at slave wages but are not good enough to stand up for their own families or become Roman citizens.  They really didn't want to invade Rome so much as they wanted to be Roman and enjoy the privileges of Roman citizenship -- it is questionable as to whether the Roman economy could have taken the weight.

Los Suns?

Star-divide

I was at a Season Ticket Holder Meeting a little while ago and one of the suggestions was "more access to the players" -- i.e., they should be forced to spend time with us at events and sign hats and shirts and stuff because we pay good money to watch them play.  Not quite forced fornication or party appearances, but along the same vein.

Taxpayer money subsidizes stadiums and arenas, which in turn subsidizes players' salaries.

The Roman Empire had a military empire that fell under its own weight.  Today, economic imperialism probably has a greater impact that the guns and bombs.  I'm not sure how that's holding up.

We've got illegal immigrants that keep our some of our base industries (agriculture and construction) running at a low rate.  Although we like to think we are in a service-based industries, we've seen that house of cards fall.  An economy actually needs to "produce" something.

Some of these persons want to live in America.  Some are willing to die to get here.  Many of those properly percieve (because that's how they are treated, not how they should be treated) that they are treated as "second class" (I almost wrote "second class citizens" but that would be innaccurate).  Some come over illegally with the sole purpose of committing crime.  Some come over illegally to be exploited and send a pittance back home.  Few are willing to do that which is required to become a U.S. citizen.

Industry wants them without any sort of Guest Worker Program because it would mean increased wages, insurance and taxes -- even if the Guest Workers were not afforded all of the benefits of an American-Citizen Worker.  Government likes to keep Census numbers high as an excuse to increase "government programs" -- i.e., largesse and inefficiency and more government control.

Meanwhile, we cheer and clap at the spectacle in the arena.

In order to boost ticket sales, the owners of the athletes open their arms to any demographic with the funds to purchase their wares.  Sometimes, it is a simple recognition of a cultural identity (heck, the Gorilla dresses up as a leprechaun in March to give out lottery tickets).  Sometimes, it is a larger outpouring of an invititation -- like Hispanic Week/Night in the NBA.

Sometimes, it is a patronizing statement to a community.  It's funny how sometimes the argument is, "We need a change and at least this is something" (socialized, government-run healthcare), but other times, the argument is, "Yeah, we need a change, but this is not it and I'm not going to offer any solutions."

Meanwhile, however, let's make the disaffected community like us better.

Right, wrong or indifferent, 11-1051(B) says:

For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official ... where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the imigration status of the person ...

"Lawful contact" means that you cannot be radomly stopped or profiled.  Understandably, one may argue that this creates the potential for abuse.  True.  Very true.  Did you know that you can be stopped for weaving within your own lane of traffic because it is one of dozens of potential indicators of DUI?  So, if you're not driving perfectly straight, you can get pulled over.  Who is protesting that?

Next, the cop needs to have a "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an alien.  Again, there is a potential for profiling.  Serial killers are profiled.  Terrorists are profiled.  Every criminal is profiled.  When searching for someone who has committed a crime, every rookie cop tries to figure out "who might have done something like this."  It's done all the time.  Good and bad.  Huge potential for abuse.  Just like every other law, however.

If a cop has a "reasonable suspicion" that your house is being robbed, he/she is entitled to investigate further.  The cop can watch the guy casing your house and investigate.  This has been the law for decades.  Here, if the cop has a "reasonable suspicion" he/she can investigate.  The problem with this law is that the best way for "reasonable suspicion" to arise, especially in Arizona, is to simply see someone who has brown skin and/or does not speak the language.

Then, there's the whole "checking papers" thing, which is scary.  That bugs me a lot, and I'd imagine it bugs a lot of others.

However, how do you enforce the law?  What other process is there?  Until the voters decide to take the immigration laws off the books, they need to be enforced.  To argue that there is "potential for abuse" is a hollow argument.  There is "potential for abuse" every time you give a 21-year old a few months of training, a badge and a sidearm.  Oddly enough, most cops -- just like most everyone else -- are good people with good consciences.  That's probably one of the biggest reasons it is news (i.e., something out of the ordinary) when you see a cop doing something wrong.

Or, you could also change things around -- amend the law.  Don't remove it, but fix it.

Who knows what the answer is? 

It's not, however, going to be an easy one to find when you've got persons on the left and the right who benefit from the status quo, and a population trying to get closer to their idols.  These same idols are a source of civic pride and subsidized by the fat, the dumb and the happy. 

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Great article, JSun..

Personally, I feel this whole thing is done at the wrong time…why couldn’t they do this after the playoffs?

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 4, 2010 6:20 PM MST reply actions  

Way too put things in perspective, people are having their rights taken away and all we care about is timing?

by JaySo on May 4, 2010 10:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I disagree with what you are insinuating

All political arguments aside, I take issue with the insinuation that just because someone wants to focus on sports instead of politics at any given moment, he or she is automatically ignorant/apathetic. If that claim were true then anybody who ever watches sports (i.e. all of us) would qualify as ignorant and apathetic as well. Think, “People are dying in Afghanistan…how could you cheer for the Suns at a moment like this?”

Maybe politics are sometimes so important/attention-grabbing as to overflow into sports. But I think its unfair to judge someone as ignorant/apathetic just because they are uncomfortable with the mix, which was never meant to happen in the first place.

by yanyanman2 on May 4, 2010 11:18 PM MST up reply actions  

See you at the game, fatso

I’ll be the guy with the biggest, stupidest looking grin on his face

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 5, 2010 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

that’s definately not what I’m insinuating, this is not a verbal jab at an individual. The statement seems a little insensitive regardless if it was intentional or not.

by JaySo on May 5, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

sorry of the fat thing was insensitive

but I stick by me being dumb and happy

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 5, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

eh, I’d find it insensitive if I was fat.

by JaySo on May 5, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I see

the real issue is: “You dont like 21 year olds”!

Shazzam!

by emirem on May 5, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

More of a political statement than a Suns-related article, but AWESOME.

I completely agree with just about everything you said. The facts were well researched, the commentaries were spot on, and it was a very good bipartisan mindset.

In regards to SB1070, I am of the “I’m against it, but I don’t think it’s as huge a deal as a lot of people are making it” camp. The idea of removing, or at least amending, the law makes sense to me. However, it’s unlikely that while this law is still fresh in the public’s eye that we get both sides to drop their guns and come up with a compromise.

I do want to echo your sentiments that “Until the voters decide to take the immigration laws off the books, they need to be enforced.” Just because we disagree with the law doesn’t mean we go into complete and utter anarchy. Then again, I consider myself a pretty moderate liberal. I like to try and see both sides of the argument.

Bright Side of the Sun, for all things Phoenix Suns. Twitter: @iamtrevorpaxton

by Trevor Paxton on May 5, 2010 1:26 AM MST reply actions  

If Sarver and Nash can use basketball to make a political statement

Then this is a Suns-related article. I’m just using this extremely low-visibility platform the same way that Sarver and Nash are exploiting their high-visibility platform.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 5, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Jsun, very good post

I’ve been missing your articles but hear me out.

I’m planning to go to Phoenix next year and I will probably stay at your place. So I’m waiting for you to pick me up and a police officer spots me walking back and forth on the sidewalk. I’m a 26 year old latino who is suddenly picked up by an American on a random sidewalk.

So is there a lawful contact there? Reasonable suspicion?
How would you feel if you are pulled over by the Police officer and questioned if you know me? or if was going to clean your pool or lawn?

The reasonable suspiction is only based on the color of my skin and appereance. That alone is racist.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 5, 2010 12:39 PM MST reply actions  

I'll have the cops at my house waiting for you

But seriously …
I’ll have federal agents there, too.

I’ll concede I’m more pro on this law than con (at least in theory), but I tried to explain my reservations about the law. The “checking papers” aspect freaks the crap out of me, but I’m not sure how you do that absent some sort of super-computer database that freaks even more crap out of me.

I’m mainly trying to point out that the U.S. has jumped the shark. US has something less than 233 left in it (I’m thinking about 100). Trying to enforce laws that are nearly un-enforceable doesn’t seem to make much sense, does it?

In Arizona, if you’re dark-skinned, wearing baggy clothes, driving a car from the 1980s with a busted headlight and hanging out in the Home Depot parking lot there is more than reasonable suspicion that you’re an illegal alien. Is that racist? Yes. However, it is racist with a neutral moral implication. “Profiling” is not a bad word. Lawyers who pick juries do it. National Security is best served by not stopping 80-year-old, blue-haired white ladies with walkers.

The additional “lawful contact” barrier to stopping you is also in place. If you’re walking on the sidewalk, you cannot be stopped — unless you’re doing something as vaguely indescrible as acting furtive to that cop’s purported perception of your activities.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 5, 2010 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

This article is extremely thoughtful. I can’t believe I’m only the third person to rec it.

by 8472species on May 5, 2010 2:16 PM MST reply actions  

(Especially your nuanced understanding of profiling.)

by 8472species on May 5, 2010 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

He's a lawyer

damn shark…

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 5, 2010 9:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I think

you’re correct to point out that the genuine problem with this law is the paper checking problem. Not having your driver’s license on you can become probable cause for an arrest.

Essentially then, Arizona just codified a law that requires Hispanics to carry identification with them at all times or risk lawful arrest.

That’s Kafkaesque crazy.

Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.

by rosewood on May 5, 2010 9:14 PM MST reply actions  

I don’t understand why people who support the law are so blind to this. I don’t know how many times I hear idiots saying the only people affected are illegals.

If you’re a brown, here legally, forget your license/wallet when driving or walking around (and an out-of-state license isn’t proof of legality either), and get questioned for some reason – even if it’s legit – you can go to jail at the officer’s discretion. If you’re white in the same circumstance, you’ll go free.

That’s just wrong. If white people were willing to be treated equally and also go the jail when forgetting documentation of their status, the outrage among civil liberty groups would be much less.

by Mint on May 6, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, she's looking her age in that series

It was long overdue, but I think we should have been left to wonder given her current status. No? Pictures don’t lie. I was never around to see Zeppelin and I’m thinking that the Page-Plant Reunion “We Need Money” Tour would’ve been anti-climatic if I had attended when I had a chance. Kind of like when I went to see Motley Crue a couple of years ago and they kept pleading with whinig to the crowd to give their new stuff a chance.

I digress, a little.

Where is that little mynx of a friend of hers? The Maryanne to Xena’s “Ginger”? Too bad the gal who convinced the zit face kid to have Spartacus kill that surfer dude couldn’t fill that role.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 5, 2010 11:00 PM MST up reply actions  

and also

She really looks to be past child-bearing years. if a storyline is going to be that she needs to get pregnant, can’t they do a better job with makeup to make you believe she’s not yet been through menopause? What happened to plastic surgery? She wouldn’t even be considered a cougar over at thedirty.com

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 5, 2010 11:07 PM MST up reply actions  

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