Preview: Phoenix Suns vs San Antonio Spurs, Game 2 (Throat Stepping Time)
Did you hear the news? It's Cinco de Mayo and the Suns will be wearing their "Los Suns" unis. There's some politics mixed in with that, as well, which Steve Nash after shootaround wanted no part of.
Asked about the reaction, he would only say, "I haven't really heard about any reaction, so I don't know. I haven't been to any rallies."
Asked a follow-up question, he would only say, "I just want to talk about the game tonight."
So that's all I'm going to say about that. We'll let Keith Olbermann and Sean Hannity duke it out from here.
Game 1 Chess Match
Thinking more on this, it seems pretty clear that the Suns won the chess match in Game 1. Everyone and their brother expected Amare to get going early and continue his domination against the Spurs. The Spurs included. So they they committed to keeping McDyess glued to his side and the Suns hit them where they weren't looking, with a quick Canadian jab to the bread basket.
The Suns insist that Nash was only "taking what the defense gave," but you have to wonder how much of that was a planned reaction to an anticipated Popovich move. I choose to think it was. Both sides felt that early boost set the tone for the game and was a deciding factor.
Gentry 1, Popovich 0
Game 2 Adjustments
Parker starting
The common question is if the Spurs will start Tony Parker or not. I don't think this matters in the least. Not only will Tony get his 35 minutes regardless, the Suns are obviously not going to try the same Nash quick punch again.
Starting Tony to help slow down Nash at the start of the game will only play into the Suns' hands by giving the Suns a smaller help defender to worry about. It also would be a huge boost for Dragic and Barbosa, who would be coming in against Parker after he'd already played more minutes.
Mostly though, Popovich loves George Hill and I don't see him benching the kid just because he had one bad game. The Spurs need Hill to play well to win this series and benching him this early isn't going to help.
My guess is that George starts, but if not, it won't make a difference.
Small vs Big
This, to me, is going to be the biggest decision (no pun intended) that Pop will have to make in this series. His small line-up was used at the end of the 1st half and again to close the game. It was effective in the fourth quarter and sparked a 13-0 run, but I don't think the Spurs can count on that for the entire series.
Steve Nash seems to think Pop will use it, while Amare yesterday said he doesn't think that the Spurs small-ball will get as much play. We will certainly find out.
If/when the Spurs do use it, there are two match-ups the Suns need to exploit. Duncan guarding Amare is the first and most important. 4 times in Game 1, Amare iso'd Timmy from the high elbow and he scored on three of those plays. Amare knows that Tim can't guard him from there. As does Tim and everyone else, which is why you won't see Duncan on Amare until later in the game.
On the other side, that leaves Amare having to guard Tim in the post which isn't great either, but the Suns did a much better job with their team defense against Duncan's post play, holding him to 1 of 7 -- and that was against a rested Tim.
The other match-up is Channing Frye. If Gentry leaves Frye on the court against Jefferson, the Suns have to take advantage of this by having Amare pull Duncan out of the paint. Frye isn't a great post player but he can score on Richard.
Other Adjustments
Both teams will throw some different looks at the others' pick and rolls, but there's really only so many ways you can cover that and these guys will adjust on the fly.
In the end, it comes down to the Suns pushing the tempo, which is always easier when they are winning on the glass.
Not a Must Win, but a Deadly Blow
I read or heard a stat that 2nd round playoff teams that go up 2-0 win 113% of time (or thereabouts). A loss tonight for the Suns won't be a big blow and will only mean this series is going to go long as everyone expects.
If, however, the Suns can clean up the fouls -- which Gentry talked about today -- and get a little more bench production, this game could easily go to the Suns. In fact, a big win wouldn't surprise me. I just don't think the Spurs defense can slow down this Suns team and, while they can score some points, they will be playing from behind just as the Suns did in past years. We know how that went.
Other Notes:
Nash said he's feeling great going into tonight's game. Gentry said Robin won't play today but is hopeful for the near future.
The Spurs didn't hold shoot around. I guess they just hung out in their cushy robes and enjoyed a nice brunch at the Ritz.
Game Links
Shoot around audio
Here's an interesting take on Gentry vs D'Antoni
NBA Playoffs Wednesday Viewing Guide: Why Mike D'Antoni Let The Suns Down - SB Nation
For that, Gentry deserves a lot of credit, but D'Antoni also deserves some criticism. If Gentry can find a way to tweak the Suns' core identity like this and succeed with a worse roster on paper, why couldn't D'Antoni do the same with his stronger rosters? He could have, and it would have helped get his teams over the hump, but it also would have meant admitting his system needed some small tweaks. He wasn't willing to admit that, so instead, they spun their wheels until the Shaq trade. It all could have ended so differently.
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Is it game time yet??
Ready to go! Ahhhhhhh
by underxthebridge on May 5, 2010 1:03 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
“I was effective in the fourth quarter and sparked a 13-0 run but…"
small typo :-)
bad time for the game for me, 3am… prefer those 4:30… however, I always fear those spurs and this game is no difference… don’t we all have a feeling that pop will find some cure? we need bench production and must continue rebounding the ball well…
amall lineup was effective in fourth, but didn’t they played last 4-5 minutes with small lineup? and we locked them.. and hill guarded parker pretty well during that stretch…
Go Suns!
I don’t think starting Parker in the end will have a lot of effect on changing the game.
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Of course not, because he played at least 30 minutes anyway in Game 1.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
This guy really is looking for a fight. He has too his team sure has found one.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 5, 2010 1:31 PM MST reply actions
Who cares an\bout him? Just let him be banned.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
How great would it be for Grant to have a repeat of his game 2 performance from the first round?
FInished the game 10 of 11 with 8 boards and crushing defense on Andre Miller. Let’s go Grant!
It’s sad how Grant Hill’s 37 and yet he’s still one of the best small forwards in the league. I’m guessing at least top 15 or maybe even top 10.
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
how is that sad....
that is awesome! haha
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Haha I meant it's sad for the league cuz I was expecting more young talent to be taking over.
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
I expect to be hated for this, and don’t mind, but I have decided to boycott the television broadcast of this game. This is the only time I will mention it.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 1:37 PM MST reply actions
Yup. Accepted. I sure don’t mistakenly think I’m important enough to somehow bother the Suns. And only the radio broadcast has Al McCoy.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry, I thought it was obvious. Yes. I have no desire to fight with people, or incur their rage, or lecture them on any political topics; and I will not tolerate anything that I follow for entertainment doing that to me. It’s why I quit watching Star Dreck ten years ago.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
I mean, perhaps you might think I’m a hypocrite and would simply use a medium like the jerseys of Suns players to “educate the mindless masses” with whatever message I supported if I only had the power to. But I was as annoyed as anyone else when Superelkman posted lots of messages arguing the opposite of what Robert Sarver believes. Which provoked other people to respond to him, thereby hopelessly clogging BSOS with political arguments that I thought I wouldn’t have to deal with when watching professional sports.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
I can somewhat understand.
There’s enough political crap going on in the NBA’s front office that causes us to question the NBA’s integrity. I just want a clean and untainted game of basketball to look forward to. However, I do support the Suns for voicing their concerns.
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Yes, and he did do it pretty tastefully and diplomatically. But I wonder whether Jerry Colangelo used his Suns’ jerseys to protest Governor Evan Mecham’s unfortunate refusal to support the MLK holiday. I’m not sure whether he had bought the Suns yet when Mecham refused to support the holiday, but the timing was coincidentally very close.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
It’s obviously your decision if you decide to not watch the game, but I feel like it is a little silly. Whether or not you agree with the message the Suns are sending, it is not unprecedented for sports teams to lead the charge in social issues. For example, Jackie Robinson made a huge step towards ending racial inequality when he became the first black major league baseball player.
I don’t think sports and politics have to be mutually exclusive all the time. The fact is that these players and these teams are a part of us and a part of the country that we are living in. To tell them to keep their mouths shut about social issues seems like it is restricting our freedom of speech to me.
I am actually very proud of the fact that the Suns are doing what they think is the right thing to do, by reaching out to a community that is feeling very much like their rights are being stepped on in Arizona.
Like I said at the beginning, it’s your call to make. That’s just my two cents. I just think all Suns fans should be able unite and enjoy the GAME and OUR TEAM for what it is tonight, regardless of any side stories. It’s a huge night for us, and I’d hate to be down one fan just because of what their jerseys say when we go up 2-0 on the Spurs tonight!
I would watch the game regardless
But I salute the Suns for taking a stand. And vowed to lower my Spurs venom by a few ounces because of Pop’s support.
hate hate hate
stop distracting me from hating the sp*rs with yr political mumbo jumbo.
No, I was not in "Necessary Roughness"
Note that what I'm about to say is pretty much stooped down to the Faker fans' level but eh what the hell.
If the Suns had Robin at 100%, our athletic frontline would easily dump on the older, fragile frontline of the Spurs. Our backcourt is one of the best offensive backcourts in the league. Our bench is much deeper and better than the Spurs. ’Nuff said.
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
The Lakers win, so maybe you're onto something
I’m hoping Robin can come back. If TD play 35+ minutes for 3, 4 or 5 games and then Lopez is there, I like our chances
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Gentry 1, Popovich 0
I think you put that in the too much credit in wins and too much blame in loss category. Seems last game was more about the Spurs having a few layups roll out whereas the Suns’ rolled in. That happens. Plus PHX was better at making their wide open shots, a credit to them. You need only swap three of those around for a different result and it wouldn’t mean Pop got the better of Gentry, just that his guys made shots they usually make.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Well the Suns led in most of the important categories, which was also huge.
Suns had more rebounds, fastbreak points, 2nd chance points, and that helps a lot.
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Making shots effects those categories. More makes means less shots to rebound. More makes means fewer fast-break points for the Suns. Cause and effect.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I also noticed how you didn't mention that the Suns's defense also helped in that category.
I guess that will always get overlooked.
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Perhaps in PHX leaving good shooters open is good defense. Not in San Antonio. Not under Pop’s watch.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
There's a reason the Suns leave them open and load up on Manu, Parker, and Duncan.
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Yeah, the Suns can’t guard those guys one-on-one. It’s pick your poison but you still die from poisoning. Slower, yes, but still dead.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Nicely put, but there's a reason your players say this is the toughest Suns team they've played over the past several years.
We have depth, defensive improvements, a coach who makes adjustments, and a nice blend of youth and veteran leadership.
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Are saying that the Suns hit every open shot and made every lay-up?
C’mon, really?
Also, there’s a reason that some guys are open. Bonner and gang are not the 3-point shooters that Finley and Bowen (from the corner — corner only and only when the Sp*rs needed it) were.
Pat Riley tells a story of how a last-second inbounds play was drawn up for Jerry West. Riley got the ball and was wide open. He shot and missed. Wilt asked him why he shot; his reply, “Because I was open.” Wilt’s reply, “You were open for a reason.”
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Did I say they hit every open shot? No, I think I said this:
PHX was better at making their wide open shots, a credit to them
That means they made a higher percentage. If the Suns want to leave Dyce wide open all series, Tony open around the key, Hill in the corner and Bonner from 3-pt range, be my guest. That will get you beat badly.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
It's suicide to leave Parker open "around the key"
Those other guys, though.
Look, I’m thrilled that it took Parker-Duncan-Ginobili 56 shots to get 73 points. If Bonner wins the series, the Suns were doomed from the beginning.
The only time there are enough guys to adequately spread the floor (which means at least two guys who can reliably hit from downtown) is to have a bunch of guards and small forwards on the floor. It might work, but it sure isn’t what we’re used to seeing from Pop.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
The big change is no Horry. He was a big who spread the floor, always made the right play and even in old age would not get embarrassed on defense. Bonner tries hard but has slow foot speed. His is a very good stand-still 3-pt shooter who can and has made a handful per game. The problem is once he misses a few none of us trust him, though Pop’s orders are for him to shoot when open. We only count on him to make one or two and use his fouls and energy on D. Frye at least gives him a good match-up this series. He did not have a decent one last series.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Add Horry
I’d have to agree that Horry has changed the outcome of at least one Sp*rs-Suns series.
But, add Horry to the Bowen and Finley mix and I think you’re making my point. No?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Bowen is irreplaceable so he’ll forever be missed. Hill has taken up the slack of his clutch corner-3 and has a higher upside due to athleticism if he puts in the famous level of work that Bowen did. I would agree that Finley (younger Finley) is the piece that has not been replaced. RJ give us more athleticism but not the 3-pt shooting.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I think you're trying not to agree
but you have to
I’ll tell you what — if RJ ever gets back to form and he decides to work on his long-range jumper ala Grant Hill (confident enough to take about 3 a game that come his way) the Sp*rs might be able to spread the floor. Right now, though, it isn’t a great line-up if teams collapse. At least, not as great as it used to be.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Not disagreeing at all. We’ve lost 3-pt shooting (Finley and Barry the biggest pieces that have not been replaced) but gained players that can break down a defense. There’s a good article on this today at 48 minutes of hell.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Double-speak -- "not disagreeing"
So, you have more persons who do more of the same? I’m liking that.
Do you really need more penetrators than Parker and Ginobili (unless you’re worried about injuries)? I don’t know that any team on the league has two guys on their squad to the level of this duo. Why add more?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
See our offense in last year’s post-season early exit. If Manu or Tony have an off game or are injured, we couldn’t create anything. Pop wants to surround TD with 3-pt shooters but his ball movement offense is made better by having guys that can get to and finish at the rim. It’s exchanging one for the other. Personally I’d rather have Barry from four years ago and then this team would be set.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
forgive me if I didn't pay too much attention last year
but, wasn’t Manu injured?
Yeah, if he’s injured, your team’s in trouble. Having Hill around probably helps in the event that Manu is hurt. That’s nice, but it’s better — as you point out — to have Manu healthy and 3-pt threat.
I guess we pretty much agree on this point. Back to the original point, I still don’t mind leaving Ginger open behind the line (saw that nickname on PTR, and I liked it).
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Listen. I appreciate your dialogue but you still are not giving any credit to our team for winning. Fate sides with the aggressor, and game 1 that was us.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 5, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
We ALL know
If the Suns managed to keep the Spurs shooting under 45%, it’s because the Spurs either had some unlucky rolls or they had and off-night, RIGHT????
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
It's easy to make our open shots.
When Nash is getting to the basket for easy, uncontested lay-ups. Which was most likely due to Gentry’s game planning for Game 1.
It must be that time of day, the time to focus on sports.
Interesting isn’t it. The Spurs season fg% is 47 and they shot 46 in game one. Is there something missing. They shot their average.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 5, 2010 2:23 PM MST reply actions
That's what cracks me up
No one had a Dirk 89% night. Everyone shot pretty much where they normally do.
Winning against the Spurs is never easy, but to say that The Suns magically held on to their lead is pretty astounding. They ‘ll make adjustments, we’ll make adjustments, and they games will be played. I just want the Suns to win.
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Me too, and he’s my all-time favorite player.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
Personally
I am hoping for a Grant 90% night like game 2 last series. Not because it is needed to win. But because I remember him from Detroit and love to see him find the ghost of glory past.
my impression of SpursEaglesFanSanAntonio
This is my parody of NBA fanboys, adapted to him. He was asking for this.
The Spurs are the best team there ever was at every statistic in the game. If you disagree, shut up, or I’ll come over to your home and make you watch videos of all the Spurs’ best games. (Yes, I know where you live, because Tim Duncan knows everything and he told me.) Which could take a while, because that means every game the Spurs have ever played. As everyone but you knows, the Spurs scored every basket, grabbed every rebound, and made every steal and block in every game, even the games played before they were born. They did that for the opposing teams, too, because the opposing teams couldn’t do anything against the Spurs and the Spurs felt sorry for them. There should be college courses taught on the Spurs; they ideally would be required for every major. If the Suns want to stop fooling themselves and become the best team in the West, they should start by changing their name and becoming the Spurs’ new D-League affiliate. Best…team…ever.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 2:34 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
You gotta cuss more. It adds to the childish image that those NBA fanboys have created.
Also, it’s missing something. Maybe it’s b/c no LeBron or Kobe in there. They usually support 1 and hate on the other. Sometimes, it’s just funny reading those hate comments on Yahoo! Sports. Sigh…
In Nash I Trust! Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Hey, that was pretty perceptive. Because (a)it was originally a spoof of Kobe Bryant’s fanboys, just because he has the most fanboys, (b)the idiots at Yahoo Sports and Yahoo Answers are exactly whom I was originally making fun of.
But the reason it’s so wordy is because I was applying a nerd’s rhetorical style to it. Basically, my inspiration was Comic Book Guy on The Simpsons. You know—“what if Comic Book Guy were a basketball fan?” Here’s the original version.
Kobe Bryant is the best there ever was at every statistic in the game. If you disagree, shut up, or I’ll come over to your home and make you watch videos of all Kobe’s best games. (Yes, I know where you live, because Kobe told me.) Which could take a while, because that means every game he’s ever played in. As everyone but you knows, he scored every basket, grabbed every rebound, and made every steal and block in every game, even the games played before he was born. He did that for the opposing team, too, because they couldn’t do it against him and he felt sorry for them. He also coaches the team himself (Phil Jackson being a figurehead) as well as the other team (meaning all other teams begged him to temporarily replace their own coach during the game). There should be college courses taught on Kobe Bryant; they ideally would be required for every major. If LeBron James wants to stop fooling himself and become a great player, he should start by changing his first name to Kobe. Best…player…ever.
P.S. I have a master’s degree in folklore and mythology.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
Yup, and the last line. In the episode he first appeared in, he yells “NO! No…friggin’ kidth, I do not need thith! I got a mathter’s degree in folklore an’ mythology!”
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
good write up seth!
I read or heard a stat that 2nd round playoff teams that go up 2-0 win 113% of time (or thereabouts).
this made me lol
in response to the "no Horry" comment
Channing Frye does for us what Robert Horry did, only not as well.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 2:50 PM MST reply actions
no Horry on this team
I can’t stomach the thought. But I see what you mean. Seth’s comment on Channing posting up RJ perplexes me. Have we seen him be consistent down low at any time that would allow a prediction that he can score on RJ, or anyone else for that matter?
No, I was not in "Necessary Roughness"
Channing does need to pick up his offense though...
…he did a good job on Duncan (relatively) but that isn’t going to happen always, I believe he has a good offensive game every other game so this could be it and hope thats true.
Small ball transition offense is what got them in the game, and I am sure Gentry must have talked about that.
I know thats what bugs me about him....
If his 3s aren’t falling then he needs to get inside, get some layups, putbacks, hook shots…oh who am I kidding. Just keep the lane clear for Amare!
Well, yes. If Stoudemire is doing everything he can do, who needs Frye.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Frye is a wonderfull addition to the team
I thought he was fodder when the got him.
But 7 feet and drills threes like a gaurd.
Add a dimension which is hard to guard.
You have to be a step closer to him than say Marion. That helps spread the floor.
Sounds like Frye is your Bonner. Can be deadly from 3 but unreliable.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
no frye is the master of the accidental deep two
bonner cant be that frustrating
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 4:08 PM MST up reply actions
He does that but
all shooters do,
He has made great progress this year, let us hope he makes the same next year.
frye does it way more imo though
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
to SpursEaglesFanSanAntonio
why don’t you talk the time when SA was up 2-0 over LA and still lost, especially with the Fisher’s 0.4 shot? What do you call that?
Joey Crawford working this game...
That helps Suns, right?
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last i heard he was pro suns
plus he hates tim duncan like the rest of us so i think its a good sign
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
Gonna try and finish my wallpaper for this series now guys
tried to redo a starwars theme and it wasnt nearly as clean as the original so i gave it up and started over
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 4:07 PM MST reply actions
SO the game starts in two hours...
…is it worth trying to sleep at all?
nah youll over sleep
i guarantee it
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
i'm just glad the game starts at 9pm EST
i also wish we do so well that the Suns already wins by the 3rd quarter…
can’t afford to go to bed at 2am and get up at 8am anymore, been doing that since monday…i am too old for this…
Seth are you still around?
Just wondering if I was allowed to use MAX’s photos in a wallpaper its not gonna get sold or anything
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 4:20 PM MST reply actions
well i was gonna post it here too so i just wanted to make sure
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
I use the old photo of Stoudemire posterizing Michael Olowokandi. It makes great wallpaper.
by 8472species on May 5, 2010 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
stephon marbury made that dunk lol
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
go suns
there’s my insightful comment.
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K guys just finished my wallpaper tell me what you think
photos courtesy of Max Simbron. click for the full image
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 5:05 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
hey good work!
I do think it needs some more orange though! Kinda reminds me of the FedEx logo. But looks pro man. Oh and maybe take San Antonio out of it: we have higher aspirations! Then you can use it for the full playoffs too
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is facebook fine? or do you have a email you want me to send it to
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on May 5, 2010 5:33 PM MST up reply actions
LOS SUNS!
Stand up Owner you guys have!
Good Luck tonight!
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