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GAME PREVIEW: Game 3 Deep Down in the Heart of Texas: Phoenix Suns Vs. San Antonio Spurs

"Tony, why you say my nose looks funny? That hurts me. I don't call you Eva anymore." (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

 Grant Hill:

"We feel like we haven't done anything. All we did was win at home."

Tonight, the second round Western Conference Playoff Series between the Suns and the Spurs moves to the great land of livestock, sh*t kickers, oil wells, ten gallon Cowboy hats, and um, Spurs. Los Suns are up 2-0 and I think everyone here on BSOTS, like Grant Hill, understands what that means for the Suns. Ain't nothing over yet. Not even close.
 
Many of the Spurs players and members of the evil empire consider this a MUST WIN. And maybe it's true. A loss puts the Spurs on the brink of elimination. But not unlike a wounded, cornered animal staring at the possibility of eventual elimination, the Spurs are more dangerous than before. No way does this squad quit. Now way do they put their heads down and succumb without fighting to the death.

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We can assume that the Spurs will be even more dangerous with their backs against the wall. Tenacious, desperate, angry, focused, what have you. Add in what will certainly be a prideful, confident, deafening, raucous assemblage of Spurs faithful, and this game is going to end up in all out war -- in the basketball sense, of course.

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But back to reality. There has been some excellent insight from JSUN and Seth here and here. And here's to JSUN for a sentiment which I totally concur with:

Game 3 is not about winning or losing for the Suns. It is about inflicting body blows to Duncan.

This game has just as many psychological implications as it does physical. The Suns need to put the orange through the hoop, yes. Absolutely. However, the game inside the game has to do with the series momentum and confidence moving forward. The Suns held home court. In game 2, they gave up 14 turnovers and were out shot by the Spurs. They came back from a Spurs rally, turned up the D, and made shots when they needed to. Take solace knowing that the Suns haven't put it all together in either two games and still managed to find a way to win. Of course, it's the playoffs and I'll argue that these games are battles of attrition as opposed to works of poetry. Expect things to get more physical, uglier, grittier.

So tonight, a win would be phenomenal. But almost as important as a 3-0 series advantage is for the Suns to come out and play with confidence. Continue dominating the boards. Go Horry and Bowen on Los Spurs (not in the flagrant sense). Make life miserable for Tim Duncan, keep Manu and Parker out of the paint. In short, instill doubt in the minds of the opposition -- that this Suns team is not the Suns of 2003, 2005, 2007. These are the junkyard Suns, the bully ball Suns, and even if the Spurs score more points than the Suns tonight, at least walk away from this game with the confidence that they can pick up a game 4 W, return back home to their own comfy beds, the friendly confines of U.S. Airways, and finish off the EVIL EMPIRE in 2010.

And lastly, here is a little something to get you all jacked up for tonight's game. Comes from one Mr. David Thorpe of the so-called leader in sports whatever whatever...The reasons why the Suns will lose this series to the Spurs:

How the Spurs get back into the series:


1. Manu is an extremely special talent.
2. The Suns do not always play with energy on defense.
3. Duncan has lost a step, but that does not mean he'll not be more energetic in some games
4. When Phoenix shoots poorly from 3, it's easier to defend their high ballscreen action.
5. Jason Richardson won't play like a rock star every game.

PS-I've picked every series correct so far, so I'm bound to miss some (or at least one) the rest of the way. This series looks to be the one.

You know what? I just wrote about how a Suns loss tonight could be acceptable under the right circumstances. After reading that above...CANCEL THAT.... I'M NOW FEELING LIKE THIS:

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no way Kano beats Kang

Crashing the [message] boards from the heart of Spurs Nation, San Antonio, Texas. GO SUNS!

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 1:18 PM MST reply actions  

…sissy bicycle kick – you can see that trash coming from a mile away

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on May 7, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Yup

Tornado kicks from Ryu and Ken were way better in SF2

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 7, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm glad we're all in agreement here.

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 1:37 PM MST up reply actions  

you guys just inspired me to

download a mortal kombat soundboard to my new cell phone, here’s to pissing people at work off!

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh.

I have a “you’ve got mail” that plays really loud… the one from the crank yankers. I’m suprised I havn’t been asked to remove it yet….

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

special ed?

I got one today that is called sound grenade, makes an extremely high pitched squeal, drives co workers insane.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

yep special ed.

NICE! … I bet that makes lots of friends in the work place :))

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

oh yea they love me, good thing i’m in charge :)

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Good preview.

I miss you Wil. I feel like we’ve grown apart.

http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/

by Scott Howard on May 7, 2010 1:19 PM MST reply actions  

haha!

lol

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 7, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Well you're the one

Who chooses to go to a bar instead of spending time with us on the game threads.

I’m sorry, Scott. Maybe we can do dinner and a movie soon.

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by Wil Cantrell on May 7, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Scott, don’t you know how to water a delicate flower properly? Easy on the pedals, man!

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

sniff. sniff. see someone understands me here.

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by Wil Cantrell on May 7, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Aw baby you know you're my one and only.....

(Please don’t let Keify see this….)

http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/

by Scott Howard on May 7, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I thougth Keify Left u for Lou?

By the way thank you all for making laugh outloud 4 hours of office work can numb the brain

by Aztiramtempe on May 7, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

hey that's what i do.

sadly keify is taken. and he’s a cop. goes against my scruples.

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by Wil Cantrell on May 7, 2010 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

gasp....delete

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by Wil Cantrell on May 7, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

The Mortal Kombat screencap is perfect

We need to perform a solid FATALITY! on the Spurs tonight.

by Willman on May 7, 2010 1:22 PM MST reply actions  

No friendships?

Ala MK2

You'd better stop that, it's not being decided by that. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches that could control them. And don't you forget it.

David Stern on the Dan Patrick Show 5-16-2007

by dagnasty on May 7, 2010 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

What am I saying?

Clearly it needs to be a Babality. That would be the greatest.
 Manu, Duncan and Parker all turned into crying babies

by Willman on May 7, 2010 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

i’m glad they didn’t call animalities beastialities, probably would’ve caused some confusion.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

These are still "The Spurs,"

But no longer are they THE SPURS.
I don’t see them challenging. Most of their scorers need to dominate the ball to be effective, and there’s so little ball to go around when the Suns are scrapping for every possession.
They beat Dallas because the Mavs’ scorers also need to dominate the ball to be effective, so someone had to win that series.
And echoing something that Seth suggested, a Whiteout? Really? That’s so lame. The Spurs wear black, how cool would a blackout be? Spurs lose due to a poor crowd theme.

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 1:40 PM MST reply actions  

seriously

I think the all white would be a pleasant background to play against.

Crashing the [message] boards from the heart of Spurs Nation, San Antonio, Texas. GO SUNS!

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I remember

After a Coyotes playoff game when they played in AWA, they did the whiteout and the opposing team’s goalie stated that he liked it cause it helped him see the puck better.
Oops.

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

they may as well wear cloud themed shirts.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Good start

Remember Game 3 in Portland. Suns took the crowd out early. This Spurs team can score the ball but they can’t get the stops and rebounds. If the Suns get a lead they should hold it.

can’t wait

Great preview btw

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 1:45 PM MST reply actions  

It's so weird to read

The Spurs can’t get stops and rebounds. Bizzaro world.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on May 7, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

not only that but

San Antonio isn’t the rowdiest city in the world. I expect it to be loud but not unbearable.

Crashing the [message] boards from the heart of Spurs Nation, San Antonio, Texas. GO SUNS!

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Plus you will slowly be picking off Spurs fans around you.

I expect by the third quarter you’ll have cleared your entire section.

http://seasonsofdiscontent.com/

by Scott Howard on May 7, 2010 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually

I won’t be picking them off….but I am so sneaky that by the second quarter they will all be wearing orange and not knowing what the hell happened.

Crashing the [message] boards from the heart of Spurs Nation, San Antonio, Texas. GO SUNS!

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

scary

this guy reminds me of Mister Rogers, who is super creepy. And he always walked outside without putting his shoes back on.

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

For some reason older white males with sweater r extemely scary to me..

No offense to anyone… Just an irrational fear.. I also hate clowns!

by Aztiramtempe on May 7, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

what about sweater vests?

those things are wrong.

and clowns.

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by Wil Cantrell on May 7, 2010 2:12 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah....i also have a problem with white socks.

no reason for them.

and wearing loafers without socks along with shorts? i can smell the foot stench from a mile away

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by Wil Cantrell on May 7, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

white socks in general? or white socks with sandals, out of all the commentary i’ve read here today i’m most interested in this.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

im sorry, i hate white socks. maybe its just me

if im wearing shorts and athletic shoes, i wear the real low cut socks-in black. obviously in pants it doesnt matter.

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by Wil Cantrell on May 7, 2010 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

interesting

i was brought up with white socks, the only black socks I own are dress socks.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Consider yourself

warned and on the edge of being banned…

#WhiteSocksPower

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

ohhhhhhh he said edge of being banned!

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Those low-cut socks

are for posers and guys who shave

who do you think you are? Shoop?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 7, 2010 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

shave their legs

I meant.

Shoop always had stubble — I think. Or was that just Crockett?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 7, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Even if Seth gets mad! White socks r funny

Guys should just wear the “no show” sucks with casual stuff..

by Aztiramtempe on May 7, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

its all about manscaping.

Cutting the grass is a lot of work and its itchy. But trimming the hedges and tiding up the yard, that’s a bit more feasable.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

I am happy to wear my white tube socks pulled up high and proud….

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

i do like courdoroys though!

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by Wil Cantrell on May 7, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I go by many different names

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh, and who is this David sack-of-douche Thorpe?

Did he really say the Spurs would win the series based on those five reasons?
That was the biggest assortment of horseshit that I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been to Texas.

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 1:48 PM MST reply actions  

hey now

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

it's always looked light purple to me

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

well im color blind, so you could be right.

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by Wil Cantrell on May 7, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

fair enough....

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow David Thorpe must eat crow along with a side of foot in his mouth.....

…those are the most ridiculous reasons ever written by a so called analyst. Talk about being the king of obvious, shouldn’t his bosses read that and go, looks like a English paper that I write 30 mins before it is due on a bad hangover.

by atkammoh on May 7, 2010 1:50 PM MST reply actions  

I want the link to that Thorpe quote. Can you provide it?

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by Alex Laugan on May 7, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

sent to me via email

I told him we were struggling to come up w/ solid b-ball reasons how the Spurs can get back in the series.

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh then I regress...

…but still even he wrote it in an email, what was he thinking the collective IQ of Suns fans is at an all time low?
Quoting RMason, “Sack-a-Douche Thorpe”

by atkammoh on May 7, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

ok so it was solicited

puts a clearer light on it.

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by Alex Laugan on May 7, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

who wrote the caption?

Who wrote the caption in the picture of Ginobili and Parker? It was hilarious. I’m recing this post just for it.

by 8472species on May 7, 2010 2:24 PM MST reply actions  

rec

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by PHXgp on May 7, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting point from a commenter at 48 Minutes of Hell:

“I wish Robin Lopez was playing to limit small ball lineups and Channing Frye minutes. The Spurs issues are with those.”

by jburning on May 7, 2010 2:44 PM MST reply actions  

I don't think it matters either way at this point.

If we can win with out him… we can surely win with him. I don’t think Gentry has an issue with pulling him out should he be hurting the game. And honestly… I think the 8 or so offensive boards Duncan has been tipping out would be limited to 3 or 4. That really changes things.

However, to your point would he manage more offenseive / defensive fouls? I’ll stop here this could actually be a future front pager for somebody … I’m to lazy to do the work to write it :))

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

To that point you...

should do this one jburning. I think its a good idea.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe I'll work on it tomorrow

Unfortunately, I’ll be busy most of the evening this evening, but I’ll see if I can’t get something up before Game 4.

by jburning on May 7, 2010 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Nah

Robin would take the 10 or 15 minutes from Collins. Even if Robin were fully healthy and never had been hurt he would wear down Tim early in the game and probably wouldn’t be on the court late anyway.

There were times that teams went small and Gentry yanked Robin instead of trying to over power them. Like against the Warrior or Thunder for example.

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

That's what I'm inclined to think

Just thought it was an interesting musing. Now you just eliminated the need for that article.

by jburning on May 7, 2010 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Obviously

Pop isnt afraid to use rules to his advantage and I believe even implimented the Hack-a-Lue. Probably could expect him to test Robin in the same way should that situation arise.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Robin's a pretty decent free throw shooter

Good enough to not be worth hacking at, anyway.

by jburning on May 7, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

True enough...

But I could still see a foul or two just to test the waters.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

there are two types of people in the world

people who like mayonnaise and people who like miracle whip. Since we’re discussing socks and corduroys..i’d like to know which one YOU are.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 2:52 PM MST reply actions  

Can I vote neither...

and go with Mustard and ketchup on hotdogs only?

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

FINE …. I don’t want to play anymore.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Miracle Whip

is obscenely gross

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 2:59 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

yep, I love Miracle Whip

was raised on it

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by Alex Laugan on May 7, 2010 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

i’d organize a peaceful protest in front of the u.s. airways center if that happened.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

It's hard to win a basketball game by just 2 or 3

Considering most close-ish (2- to 3-possessions) games devolve into a one-sided free throw shooting contest at the end. One team gets free throws while the other team tries to put up a contest field goal and the cycle repeats. Tends to lead to a little bit of an inflated score at the end.

by jburning on May 7, 2010 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

wow

that’s a ton of disrespect right there….

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

meh

we should be used to it at this point.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I like it now.

It’s like basketball wouldnt be the same with out it for me.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Change in Spurs starting lineup?

If the Spurs change their starting lineup to put Tony Parker back in, I would think Manu would be the one to go back to the bench. Manu and Dejuan Blair have been effective when playing together, which has been less evident since Manu has been starting. While both Manu and Tony will play big minutes, Blair could be more productive if he and Manu spend more time in the game together. Popovich looked upset with Bogans last game, might prefer to replace him in the rotation with Malik Hairston if he has recovered from the ankle injury he suffered in the final game of the regular season. Otherwise he might reduce his rotation and give even more minutes to his starters.

by Alamo on May 7, 2010 3:09 PM MST reply actions  

I still don't see a change.

I think with the Spurs lack of depth they almost have to have parker come off the bench. He still plays starter minutes…

But you simply can’t play Parker and Ginobili 48 minutes. So one of them has to sit. Hill is the next best thing they have.

Also either Ginobili or parker have to be in the game, I’m not positive about this but I don’t think I have seen them both sit as of yet, and thats because they HAVE to lead the team.

The reason are almost endless and anyway way you spin it you have exactly what Pop is doing with the guys he has.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

lineup rotations

Parker and Ginobilli would of course both be in together for a good portion of the game. When Blair comes in for Duncan, he is more effective when he is playing with Manu rather than Tony. Hill, being a youngster, is likely to get the most minutes working with both Parker and Ginobilli; at times all three in together while Jefferson is out or playing power forward in a small lineup. The starters become Hill, Parker, Duncan, McDyess and Jefferson; with Ginobilli being the first off the bench followed by Blair and Bonner. Mason would normally be used, but it may have been determined he is an ineffective shooter with a bad finger. Hairston was moving up in the rotation until he injured his ankle in the final game. Bonner will likely be asked to put up a number of shots right away to see if he has his rhythym or not, and if not won’t get many minutes in the second half.

by Alamo on May 7, 2010 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I see

regardless the only question that you are still left with in either set of rotations: is Tony Parker a better starter than Manu… I don’t know if the answer is yes or no… Or if you can even answer yes or no. But what we do know is that if you take Nash away from his shot then so far he has gotten others involved. If you let Nash shoot well he seems to do that rather well too.

Simply put you guys are not hounding Nash from the second of the inbound down the floor. If Parker can do that then great, I don’t think he can at least he hasnt shown it yet. So what huge difference does it make if Parker plays an extra 6 minutes on nash at the start of the game rather than in the middle?

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Making Blair a factor

Having Parker play an extra 6 minutes of Nash at the start of the game rather than in the middle makes no difference as far as I’m concerned. If I were making the move, it would be to get more scoring out of Blair. It seems like Blair is normally either scoring off a Manu assist on pick and roll or on an offensive rebound. It could very well be that he has been in the game with Manu so far, I believe that Manu off the bench fresh with Blair makes the bench better all around than when Parker is the one coming off the bench.

by Alamo on May 7, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Good point.

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by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Jefferson and Manu

For a while, Jefferson was coming off the bench and seemed more effective working with Manu. Since then Tony has begun throwing an occasional alley-oop pass Jefferson’s way. Jefferson just seems to need a fast break basket or two to get going, and for the other Spurs to remember that he is not Bruce Bowen there to shoot 3’s from the corner.

by Alamo on May 7, 2010 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Popovich looked upset with Bogans last game,

probably cause he tried to take a charge with 3 seconds left 65 feet away from the basket.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 3:16 PM MST reply actions  

not me

you have to let the ball carrier turn around. i believe that’s a rule.

by Ceek on May 7, 2010 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

no, not if you're planted

if you’re there, you’re there — regardless of whether the guy sees you. It’s about position, not vision.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 7, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions  

What did u think of Pop’s after game comments?

" Popovich looked upset with Bogans last game"

Pop got upset with almost everyone, he was taking time out left and right. Pop lost patience. I think deep down he knew if he gets down by 2 games…

by Spurrred on May 7, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

nice.

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by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

so, if the game is close

what about Hack-a-Tim?

he’s been shooting 49% from the stripe in the playoffs

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by Alex Laugan on May 7, 2010 3:34 PM MST reply actions  

Agree

However, the Suns are not crafty enough to get away with those type of antics lol.

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by antiw0rm on May 7, 2010 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Hack-a-Tim

When the Spurs have used it, it was usually to break the other team’s momentum and change the pace of the game. It will make sense to foul Tim if the Spurs have the momentum and our scoring at a faster pace than normal. If they’re in their normal half-court game, it makes less sense to foul.

by Alamo on May 7, 2010 3:43 PM MST reply actions  

that would be hilarious to me

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by Alex Laugan on May 7, 2010 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

everything in this series has been SUCH a role reversal

I can just imagine a good run by the Spurs, making 2-3 3s in a row, and all of a sudden Jones checks in and fouls Duncan in the backcourt on the inbounds pass two possessions in a row. Pop’s face would go completely red, and he wouldn’t be able to say a DAMN thing. Even if Duncan makes both, it prevents the 3-ptrs…. oh my… I don’t know if I’d be able to stop laughing…

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by Alex Laugan on May 7, 2010 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

A Good Laugh

I’d likely be laughing as well if the Spurs make 2-3 3’s in a row and then Duncan makes 4 straight free throws when the Suns employ a hack-a-Tim.

by Alamo on May 7, 2010 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

From the percentages

it would appear Duncan needs more than 8 to make 4.

No, I was not in "Necessary Roughness"

by Edmond Honda on May 7, 2010 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Duncan's free throws

Duncan’s free throws seem to have become a flatter shot with little arch to it. I’m not positive, but it seems it usually improves late in the 4th quarter.

by Alamo on May 7, 2010 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah thats what we said in 08

over and over

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by Alex Laugan on May 7, 2010 5:32 PM MST up reply actions  

not really

i mean…if that’s true, then teams SHOULD be able to come back when down 0-3. but only one team was ever successful (boston red sox).

what i meant is that i don’t want to see any last sec shot or a demoralizing loss.

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

A last second shot

would not be so bad on their home turf. After all if you play well enough in Game 3 for them to need a last second shot to win at home, you will have much momentum into game 4.

by svspider on May 7, 2010 4:48 PM MST up reply actions  

to svspider

that’s what i said after losing game 1 in 2008…..

but that loss WAS the most demoralizing

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Is that

desperation. Or possibly desertification…a term indicating that you turn things into a desert. Desertification would actually make it a home game for the Suns :)

by svspider on May 7, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I just noticed something

The Blazers and the Spurs have players that took pictures of themselves naked on TMZ

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 4:46 PM MST reply actions  

This is how I want us to win this game.

Spurs down by 1, make a 2 with 3 secs left on the clock. Nash makes a 25ft 3pt rainbow with a hand in his face as the clock expires, to win the game.

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by Pliny the Elder on May 7, 2010 4:55 PM MST reply actions  

I’d prefer that Barbosa makes that shot, to reestablish his value.

by 8472species on May 7, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I would perfer

that Barbosa is not on the floor in crunch time….that would be bad

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

if that happens...

it will be a more memorable shot than the damned Duncan 3….

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

if Collins is on the floor, in that situation...

some memorable shit will have gone down before then.

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by Pliny the Elder on May 7, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

If Collins

makes a three at any point in the game they should stop the game and the Suns should automatically get the win no matter what the score is

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I wish

except I can’t remember the Suns in the Nash-era to win a game on a buzzer beater

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

There was still time on the clock

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

There was still time on the clock

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

That tied the game

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

nash doesn't like to do that

in the first game of this season vs. the clippers, he just went to the basket when he saw an opening. he doesn’t “wait” to shoot a buzzer beater (he is not kobe or james; no vanity)

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't mean only Nash

The Suns since 2004

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

oh i got it

the shot by Diaw against Dallas in game 1 of 2006

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Still 0.5 seconds left

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions  

yup

And i don’t think we won a game as the clock expires in the Nash-era. Last one I remember is Marbury against the Spurs

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Buzzer-beaters don't exist anymore

Even if they did, the officials would review it and put .2 second back on the clock.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on May 7, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

you're all missing the point here..

regardless of who makes the shot, it would be a dagger to the hearts of the Spurs

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by Pliny the Elder on May 7, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

But imagine if we put in T Griff

And he hit the 3. Thats like using a rusty dagger. They will get tetanus

You'd better stop that, it's not being decided by that. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches that could control them. And don't you forget it.

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by dagnasty on May 7, 2010 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

hey good luck out there!

new york is on your side!

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by stingy d on May 7, 2010 5:17 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks

We owe it all to the Knicks for taking Marbury

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

And Mike D

You'd better stop that, it's not being decided by that. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches that could control them. And don't you forget it.

David Stern on the Dan Patrick Show 5-16-2007

by dagnasty on May 7, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes

The coach who plays the bench seven seconds or less

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

How about

7 players or less

You'd better stop that, it's not being decided by that. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches that could control them. And don't you forget it.

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by dagnasty on May 7, 2010 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahaha

True

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:23 PM MST up reply actions  

And Luc Longley. And Penny Hardaway.

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

And Nate Robinson

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 5:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Barbo...

Too early?

You'd better stop that, it's not being decided by that. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches that could control them. And don't you forget it.

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by dagnasty on May 7, 2010 5:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think

LB will get traded unless he starts next season poorly

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by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

oh I think

they will move him if they can

pretty obvious that he’s not a good fit and they aren’t going to want to pay him $7m to play 15 min

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Sad but it's true...

We all love LB, but he just isn’t the bench production that he used to be…His defense ain’t all that either..if anything, LB has regressed in total…Next year with Clark on board, I think we have to move him…

Only way we keep him is if both Amundson and Frye depart…

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by Daryl Ray on May 7, 2010 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

True I'm thinking of the LB of old

Kerr won’t trade LB until Nash continues his Avatar movie with him

Steve Nash plays D!!

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by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions  

If it happens, you thjink LB locks himself in the lockerroom and refuses to leave?

I know there will be some serious tear-sheding at the very least…

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 7, 2010 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Judging by the trade prank call story from a few years back

I’d say yes

You'd better stop that, it's not being decided by that. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches that could control them. And don't you forget it.

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by dagnasty on May 7, 2010 5:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

haha no

He’ll lock him self in the overhead storage on the team plane…

Steve Nash plays D!!

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by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 6:00 PM MST up reply actions  

he's good

just not as good as the early (career) returns suggested.

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by stingy d on May 7, 2010 6:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Parker will start

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by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:24 PM MST reply actions  

Awesome!

The Spurs are officially in “Oh shit, what now?” mode.

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 5:25 PM MST up reply actions  

you know what this means?

our BENCH must come out and kiss their collective asses again!

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

It doesn't really matter

he played a lot of minutes off the bench

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I mean

with the Spurs starters

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:27 PM MST up reply actions  

inactive

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

but this means

our bench will have a stretch playing against their real bench, or should i say d-leaguers + george hill? so our bench must destroy.

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

yup

Lol I wouldn’t call Blair a D-leaguer though. But yeah our bench has an advantage over theirs

Steve Nash plays D!!

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by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:33 PM MST up reply actions  

i don't watch d-league

but to me, blair is just taking up space. i don’t think he has any NBA-level finesse skills yet…i can be wrong

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 5:35 PM MST reply actions  

DeJuan Blair = Clarence Weatherspoon

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions  

He's pretty good when he gets minutes

Just look at his game log on Yahoo. He probably won’t see a lot of minutes this series though

Steve Nash plays D!!

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by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Blair is a beast on the boards...As a rookie, he brings some serious pain in the paint...

Trust me, our Suns wouldn’t kick him out of bed…He has a nice touch around the rim, rebounds like a madman, and has those ungodly long arms that make him really about 6’10"…As a player, he will continue to grow plus he’s a character guy that you really need….

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 7, 2010 5:40 PM MST up reply actions  

D-League All Stars

Most of the young Spurs that played in the D-League were All-Stars there, but they don’t get much playing time behind the veterans on the Spurs. Malik Hairston did an assignment or two with the Austin team just to have some playing time, and averaged about 34 ppg. Perhaps meaningless, but it seems to me the Spurs improved once they traded away Theo Ratliff and released Michael Finley and gave their minutes to the younger more athletic players. I think they might have been better off during the regular season without McDyess and playing Ian Mahinmi instead, but I suspect they expected they would get more mileage out of McDyess during the playoffs as they always did with Robert Horry.

by Alamo on May 7, 2010 5:53 PM MST up reply actions  

ok...

what i REALLY don’t want to happen is that tonight we lose as badly as Boston is losing now…i don’t think we’d have the poise to come back from it.

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 5:42 PM MST reply actions  

The Celts look like they gave up in the second quarter...

Trust me the Suns won’t give up, especially not aginst the Spurs with the way the pundits have been picking us to fail. If anything, the Suns play hard and get beat by 10-12…Not bad, but I really think that if the Suns lose tonight, the game will be close.

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 7, 2010 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

The 2010 Suns

These guys shit poise.

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

i still can't sleep at night

because of the duncan 3….

(ok, that’s not true.)

do i think the suns will beat the spurs this year? of course.

but do i still fear? you bet i do.

by sonicking on May 7, 2010 5:51 PM MST reply actions  

I rather they just play hard...

If they play hard, that is all that can be asked..

"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."

- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....

by Daryl Ray on May 7, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions  

The bigger issue w/ Tony starting

is that he and Manu have never been a great combo which is why Manu was 6th man for the last few years…both guys need the ball and neither is a great spot up shoot. Obviously, Manu is better and can get hot but he’s only shooting like 32% from three right now.

So if you run a lot of Tony pick and roll you don’t have Manu as a threat and vice versa.

Not to mention the Spurs have to get something from Hill so what do you do to his confidence by benching him?

Plus as stated that just gives our bench guys an edge oh and Tony can’t defend Nash so the only reason he’s in there is to attack Nash but Nash only needs to play 33 minutes and not 40 minutes like Tim

This won’t work. Desperate move

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by Seth Pollack on May 7, 2010 5:55 PM MST reply actions  

Well said, starting TP and Gino (what a combo) together makes no basketball sense

Pops is grasping at straws
Pops is befuddled, flabbergasted, shell-shocked.
Pops is a junkie without a needle right now.

"The Nash abides."
I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.
It's good to know he's out there, The Nash, taking 'er easy for all us sinners.

by RMason on May 7, 2010 5:59 PM MST up reply actions  

What a Combo

They’ve struggled trying to play together for 3 championships now!

by Alamo on May 7, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

WOW

The Celticts only have 14 rebounds so far

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 5:58 PM MST reply actions  

yup

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

by phxsuns on May 7, 2010 6:00 PM MST up reply actions  

To make matter worst

They have 8 defensive rebounds and the Cavs have 10 offensive rebounds

Steve Nash plays D!!

Alvin Gentry: "We're a little finesse team that plays hard"

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