Amare Stoudemire Hints At Future
by Seth Pollack on Jun 8, 2010 5:41 PM MST
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PrintAmare made it clear he won't be picking up the option on the final year on his contract and he talked about seeking a max deal. He also talked about wanting to stay in Phoenix. He also probably talked about some other things.
I wrote this up over at SB Nation Arizona so go read the full story there.
Also, as he said he would, Grant Hill picked up his player option for next season.
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this guy cant make up his mind...
i think he’ll go for the max deal if he gets offered by any team. hes been pointing this out since he started talking about it. He loves PHX but he loves the money more.
But the Max deal the Suns can offer Amar'e
Is significantly larger than the max deal other teams can..
It must be that time of day, the time to focus on sports.
Eric Byrnes?
Amare Stoudemire 5 time all-star, Eric Byrnes? Zero time all-star.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Amare you'll be missed by many but not by all.
Amare made it clear he won’t be picking up the option on the final year on his contract
Good. Now we can start courting other players for that position. The Suns have made it to the Western Conference Finals without Amare. They can still do it next season.
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Sorry, but no. who will be our low post threat? who is our second go to guy? jrich? jrich is 30 years old and
amare still hasnt reached his physical prime. Who replaces stat?
Amare+Lopez+Clark=Frontcourt 2011
by Bkj on Jun 8, 2010 6:35 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
the nba physical prime is 28/29/30
for most players anyways, but i see a lot more left to come from him; if you wana be great, you need to have belief
Amare+Lopez+Clark=Frontcourt 2011
by Bkj on Jun 8, 2010 9:48 PM MST up reply actions
Yep, he has the belief but he lacks the consistent effort to fully utilize it
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
Amare is a stud...shortcomings or not...
Players of Amare’s caliber and production happen very rarely in th eNBA…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
by Daryl Ray on Jun 9, 2010 5:19 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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There is no doubt that Amare is the man 40% of nights but he disappears on a whim and I can't imagine this behavior getting nay better once he has 140mill in the bank...
Amare is motivated by money more than anything else and will surely continue to disappear from entire games whenever he wants to…
He is incredible to watch when he is playing with intensity but you can’t wrap up MAX money in a guy who can’t be the best player on a championship team and a player who isn’t self-motivated… too risky and will end up hurting the Suns in the end… I guess we should be looking for a sign and trade at this point since Amares demands are pretty unbending…
I don't agree...
Putting up the numbers Amare has over his career against NBA talent isn’t something yu roll out of bed and do without hard work, dedication and a determination. We all know that mare has some defensive limitations (His rebounding numbers aren’t bad..), but what player doesn’t (Even LBJ & Kobe do…) I want you to find 10 NBA PFs in the last thrity years that have put put up Amare’s numbers for this long and have been great defense players…? (Don’t even think about saying Karl Malone or Charles Barkley and they got max/near max deals…)
I’ll help you out with three – TIm Duncan, Kevin Garnett, & Kevin McHale…Find me seven more and then we’ll toss Amare off the train…
I’ll help you
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
by Daryl Ray on Jun 9, 2010 8:49 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
LBJ & Kobe have very minute deficiencies, mind you...
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Look at some other numbers.
Barkely did alot more. He averaged over 25 points, 10 rebounds, good in assists. He could also handle the ball and create shots for himself and others. Amare does not handle the ball all that well or setup his teamates. Plus he is several inches taller than barkely and 2x as athletic. Barkely became great because he worked hard. Amare falls back on his athleticism way to often.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 9, 2010 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
We were discussing PF's that had the total package...
Don’t get me wrong..Barkley was a great player , no doubt…But he did have serious defensive defienices. Additionally he could be a black hole on Offense and his ball-handling skills weren’t that great, unless you count the fact that he held onto it forever in the post…
Since so many people consider Amare a flawed package, We were try to establish baselines for PFs of his for all around caliber caliber in the past…I’m not sure Barkley fits into that mold…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Kobe and LeBron have defensive deficiencies?
didn’t they both make first team all defense this year? and last year? matter of fact hasn’t kobe made an all defensive team for the entire decade?
As I said "minute defiencies..."
Really, they are not great examples, but virtually everyplayer in the NBA has defieincies
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Just curious
What were Michael Jordan’s deficiencies?
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
again... scoring and no defense or rebounding doesn't win championships...
he is a good player but the suns should not pay a guy who can’t lead them to a title max money…
there are a handful of guys that would be better than amare in the Suns system… remember amare played the majority of his career with Nash and under 7SOL…
i’m not saying he isnt a hard worker because he has to have some work ethic to develop the mid-range game he has acquired since entering the league but maybe we are using the wrong word then…
Amare lacks focus and consistency would be a better way to put it then… he doesn’t consistently dominate games like other max contract guys do(and im not saying 100% of games but the good majority)
Do you really think Amare can lead the Suns to a title? I think he can be an awesome 2nd fiddle but can’t be the primary option and thus doesn’t deserve max money…
Dirk Nowitzski, Chris Webber, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Carlos Boozer for sure…
Josh Smith possibly if he ever got his head on straight…
Al Jefferson is going to be a 20/10 guy for the next 5 years…
Blake Griffin will most likely be better than him…
Camby wouldn’t be better offensively than Stat but if he played with Nash in his prime he would be a better overall player as his offense would have been better and he is a hell of a lot better rebounder and defender…
But yeah I understand your point here… Amare is very talented… just not worth that potentially franchise-crippling amount of money… take his injury history into consideration as well… what if he signs 7years 140 mill and blows his knee out next year… or in year two… or really in any of the first 5 years… that is 20+mill a year of dead cap that we would have in incur in a CBA that promises to lower the current salary cap
I’m merely saying the risk is not worth the reward…
Let me break down your list here...You can look them up yourself..
Nowitzki’s & Malone’s defense is about the level of STATs…Barkley’s and Boozer’s is probably worse.
Chris Bosh has potential..numbers are similar, he doesn’t shoot as well as STAT (.492% vs. .534%, and his defense isn’t that much better…
Chris Webber’s career numbers are almost identical to STAT except he doesn’t shoot as well as Amare…
Al Jefferson is nowhere near STAT. His career averages are 15 & 8.6
Josh Smith isn’t nearly as polished offensively either… career averages of 14 & 7.6
Blake Griffin has to get on the court first before we can make an assuption about what he will do..(Remember Greg Oden…?)
Pau Gasol’s numbers are close to STATs…less points but a little more rebounds.
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
just curious
what stats are you using for judging Chuck/Booze/Dirk/Karl’s defense vs Amare’s?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Watching game film and remembering Barkley & Malone getting abused on the defensive end...
And If you think Dirk & Boozer are better defenders than STAT there is nothing more to be said…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Barkley's & Malone's defensive shortcomings...
Came about more from a lack of effort than anything else…There minds were primarily focused on scoring first and rebounding second…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
I'm not a fan of the "if you think X then we're done" line of discussion
I’m not sure what that accomplishes.
I think it’s worth discussing. Dirk has held his opponents at PF and C to lower PERs then Amare has this season. I haven’t checked last season, or the season before, but I don’t think that anyone can clearly say that Amare is a “better” defender than Dirk. PER’s not the be-all, end-all of stats(not at all), but again, there is an argument.
I don’t really care much for Boozer so meh.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
if amar'e rebounded like boozer
i’d be more inclined to think he was worth a max
Sorry rsavaj, I get a little animated about STAT, plus you know I am a jackass...
I have watched the NBA since the 80..,and I can honestly say I have seen the best great PFs in that time…Those that played at a high level for so long…
Not necessarily in rank order of course
Duncan, Malone, McHale, KG, Dirk, Elvin Hayes, Barkley, Webber, Mcadoo, Gasol, and yes Amare..Boozer is probably there as well.
Anybody else seen a PF that I missed with better stats consistently over a 8+ year span during the last 30 years?
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
the player
Suns will contract with the same salary cap they payng amare right now. for sure we wont find another stat. but im sure Keer can manage to get some good replacement.
i want him to stay, but if he wanna go then theres nothing Suns can do.
And i completely disagree about hes not in prime yet, to me Stat prime already passed before all that knees injuries etc..
Not true.
The MOST we would have available under the cap be $13 mil, and that’s if we don’t re-sign Lou or Frye. I don’t think we can get too good of a replacement for that.
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But it looks like we trade LB's 7 mil so we would have about 20 mil plus some trade exemrtions.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 9, 2010 6:32 AM MST up reply actions
not exactly
you either have cap space OR exceptions. I laid it out on my fanpost. The NBA doesn’t let you have both. If we trade LB for nothing (ie. future draft pick), then yes we get another 7 million.
If he’s traded while Amare is still on our books (ie. Suns still have Bird Rights), then the Suns are still considered over the cap and we get a trade exception which can’t be used for anything other than another trade.
If he’s traded after Amare is truly gone (hypothetically speaking), then we’ll be under the cap and LB’s 7 million will be cap space to use any way we want. but then, we’ll have 20 million to spend to replace FOUR players (Lou, Channing, LB and Amare). That’s not enough money to replace those guys’ production in whole.
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by Alex Laugan on Jun 9, 2010 6:56 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
That is alot to replace. We will have a draft pick so that will replace 1. Finding a high quality starter and a couple more solid role players with 17-20 mil could be difficult but not possible. I have faith in Kerr to get soe things done. Look how much we did with a whole lot less last year.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 9, 2010 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
Why are you talking like you're sure he's gone SunsB ??
That really pisses me off when people do that. It is by no means a forgone conclusion…. As b0rdrline points out the Suns can offer more than other teams since he is their player. I don’t think it is a sure thing he’s leaving.
Jeeez. Not just directed at you SunsB but a whole host of posters.
yeah I still think he stays
and we’ll spend a lot of time arguing over whether the Suns overpaid. (which is better than arguing over who to get to replace him)
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by Alex Laugan on Jun 9, 2010 6:57 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
IF you pay attention
you gonna se my replace teory was over Bkj post.. that was a hypothetical “how we gonna replace him”
so NO Jack Frost im not talking like im sure stat is leaving, you just lack of attention on the topic discussion.
im talking over a hypothetical theory of amare leaving that Bkj talked about.
and yes i said and i say again “IF stat wanna go theres nothing suns can do to hold him, tou cant keep a guy who dont wanna play for your team anymore”
i hope you understand things right now,
The guy is 27 or 28 already and he hasn't still reached his physical prime.
He has been in the league for 7 to 8 years and still hasn’t learned how to defend and rebound.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
He has reached his physical prime for a man and for a basketball player he’s way past it.. The average age of physical prime for a man is in his late 20’s. Concerning basketball and Amare’s past injuries his Basketball prime was at 22 before he had the surgery that took away some athleticism from him. Physically he was at his best during that age, the guy was a freak athletically.
It’s his basketball mental prime(I just made this up) that he hasn’t reached or else he would have learned how to grab 10+ rebounds a game by now. Chances are that this is the best that we can expect from Amar’e. Maybe he will get better at passing out of double teams defense through years of experience, but not by much. Amar’e will give us 20-25 ppg, 8-9 rpg and 1-2 bpg. That is his best and that is what we can expect from him for the next 3 years at least.
You forgot to add that he still can't defend and still floats in some games from time to time.
And you want to give him a max contract? If Amare has the same drive and motor that Gerald Wallace has, he’ll be averaging more than 20/10. But he doesn’t. So no salaray raise for him, hell I’ll even ask him to take a pay cut so I can sign Lou back.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
I’m not sure if Amar’e really wants a raise though. I think he just wants max years(6). That is a risk because he will have to get surgery in the next 3-5 years.
What if he wants a raise?
Let’s say 18 to 19 mil per year…never mind the length of the new contract… would you still sign him? Because I won’t.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
According to dking's CBA post,
the maximum Amar’e can get for 2010/11 from another team is 16.224 mil with a maximum of a 10% yearly increase, if he has a working brain, he should be thinking of a new contract with the Suns, say 5 yrs/95-100 mil (i really think this is too much for him though but still managable). We save 1.2 mill which could be used on Frye (adding it to the 2 mil he was supposed to get), and as for Lou, we give him the Early Bird Exception.
This leaves us with LB’s contract which could be traded for Cap relief, or even to get some important piece (Brewer or even Lee).
Lets hope thing go well
yes, that would be good all around
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Which isn't bad stats, I might
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
That just means...
He’s looking for a new (read: Max) contract instead.
What I don’t want is for me to have to leave and the fans are now not quite as excited about the game here. I want to keep the hype, keep the fans involved and keep everybody ecstatic about the Phoenix Suns.
That’s simple, Amare, just sign a reasonable, midsized contract for 4 years and give the team some cap space to improve the roster and keep us contenders. I know it’s a business, but believe it or not, the Suns want you AND want to win a title at the same time. Maybe you should work with them and not be stubborn.
Thanks,
The City of Phoenix.
by TheAlexSkinner on Jun 8, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
Sign him at 12 mil for 3 years while Phoenix has the team option for the last year
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
It ain’t going to happen. The Suns offered him about 14m for 3 years and Amar’e turned it down.
I think it will take 14m for 6 years in order to keep Amar’e.
that's unfortunate
i’d be a happy camper if he signed a 16-18 for 3 year deal… of course i don’t have to pay him. i just have to be a supporting fan for whatever happens
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Goran Dragic's tears can cure cancer... too bad he doesn't cry
Yeah, but our Amare-replacement/wunderkind is gone...
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
?
you’re not referring to Boris are you?
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Indeed I am
Wunderkind was in jest, but Boris was one of the primary reasons we went a game further then we went in 04/05. We don’t have anybody like him(or like Amare) to plug into Amare’s spot if he leaves.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
We don’t have anybody like him to plug into Amare’s spot if he leaves.
Thank god for that.
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by RMason on Jun 9, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, I think that completely ignoring what Boris did for us that season would be a mistake
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
i'm not
it’s just that he never did that again.
and I don’t think it’s all because of Amare, as some claim. He was worse in Charlotte in yr 2 with NO competition for time at all.
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He was doing pretty well until they got Jackson
Then the dude zoned out completely, which was always his problem. He makes for a terrible “role player”.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
yes, thats really a shame
considering he’s got the skills of a role player. he’s not good enough to carry a team the way he wants
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but Boris was one of the primary reasons we went a game further then we went in 04/05
Don’t tell me you already forgot about this season? We went just as far with Amar’e.
I wasn't saying that we went further because we had Boris instead of Amare
I’m just saying he was a crucial part of that miracle team
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
He should've took the damn 14 mil. so he can spare everyone the drama he is making.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
i'm kind of sad, but
i don’t want the suns to be financially strapped with STAT. If the man can get paid (overpaid rather) let him. i would assume kerr & CO have had a plan for this.
i can only vision how well this will work out for the suns… a good sign and trade, financial flexability, probably trading barbosa (i’m calling MN for a first rounder). there is a bright side to this.
Good luck A’mare, get that money. good luck suns, turn this into a positive
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Goran Dragic's tears can cure cancer... too bad he doesn't cry
My concern is that he only played well after the team lit a fire under his ass in the Dallas game.
I’m worried that with the comfort of a new contract, he’ll slack or otherwise bring disorder to the locker room.
Can anyone assure me that won’t happen ??
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Amar'e attributed his mid-season resurgence to finally getting back in shape after spending last summer face-down
in a dark room, 21 hours a day for six months. I think he earned the benefit of the doubt on that one.
Amar’e would be an idiot (and his agent would be an idiot, too) to pick up that option – then he would be shopping for a max contract of 11 0r 12 million under the new collective bargaining agreement.
Why would he do that?
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Especially when you have so many mindless owners willing to give him mad money now..
If we think someone out there isn’t going to throw max money at him, we are deluded…Our only saving grace is that the Suns can offer him more money than anyone else…
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- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
yes, there are 8-10 with enough space to sign
Wade, LBJ or Bosh for the max. Thats 3 players for 8-10 spots. At least 2-3 of those “left out” teams will throw the max at whoever is left, and Amare is at the top of that list.
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no.. you can pinpoint his resurgence to that one single game..
actually, he played great the 1st month, and then faded/pouted/whatever in December.
My concern is that what happened after the Dallas game was solely a contract year type performance.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jun 9, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
he's always performed well in prior years, and those weren't contract years
so I don’t understand those kinds of comments.
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by Alex Laugan on Jun 9, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
well the Suns will be strapped no matter what
I still think, after all this time, that the biggest issue is number of years. Would love for him to sign for MAX for 3 years, even in an extension on next season’s deal. That’s 4 total. Perfect, IMO.
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by Alex Laugan on Jun 8, 2010 8:10 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
We can't sign him
for any less than 3 years, can we? Except if he doesn’t opt out of course.
well
we COULD but that’s not the way the CBA is built. Players can only sign another extension 3 years after signing the current contract. And the best way to get raises at this stage of his career is via extensions (because his current salary is higher than the CBA allows for a starting salary on a “new” contract from a different team: 16.8 vs. 16.224 per yr). So, that means neither Amare nor the Suns would offer less than 3 years because both sides want to keep their options open.
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again, I'm just listing options
I have no idea if the Suns are willing to spend the most they’re allowed to spend. The Suns can OFFER the most, but that doesn’t mean they want to give it.
But I am pretty sure the Suns wont want Amare to walk for nothing, unless theyve got a sure-fire backup plan in place that nets them a better overall team.
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I just don't see
Sarver and Kerr paying him max money over 6 years. IF, a big IF, Amare would take 5 years at 17-18 per, then I could see it.
I really think Amare is what he is. I think he has peaked at his physical play. I just see any more elevation in his game.
nah
i think he can still do better…..especially at the defensive end…
and for the record i think all this talk now is just…..BS PR crap aimed at the front office while leveraging fans….so if he leaves at least the fans will be on his side…he’s “concerned” about the team and the fans as he says….i think we all know its a huge risk for amare to leave this squad who nearly made the finals and go elsewhere.
but money dictates….he may go to New Jersey if the money is right, the winning thing is kind of a joke….weve seen athelete after athelete go for the chedda instead of a proven winner. amare without a nash or pass first pg is, um you know….not all that good. someone gotta deliver him the rock.
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I agree. Amar'e has improved something every off-season. I think he probably heard the criticism of his D.
I also think that NJ with Amar’e, Brook Lopez, and Devin Harris and another top player could be pretty scary in the East. But I think Amar’e will get the best offer from the Suns, and will probably stay. And I’m glad. There’s nobody better that we could get. He just has to keep getting better.
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Well this is going to be interesting!,hoping the suns are able to work some sort of trade. I believe the suns can still be a force in the west with the right trade.,No way should the suns give Amare a max deal. NO WAY!!!!
+1
Big money for 3 year extension then see how his knee is holding up.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 9, 2010 6:39 AM MST up reply actions
that would be ideal
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Frye and Lou
Resign Frye and Lou, start Frye at the 4, and have Lou as back up again, or even try and get Boris Diaw back( i know DIAW) because he played very good when Amare was out with injuries, and he’s a better defender and passer, or just don’t get him and get draft or free agent players for the 4 and 5 spot for depth.
We's be a powerhouse for sure...
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- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
you're joking right?
the Suns would NOT be a powerhouse with Boris and Frye manning the 4 full-time. by the way, heard anything from Charlotte about how great Boris is anymore? No? Me neither. Every number dipped this season for him. he only plays great when he has something to prove, and only for stretches at a time. Please no BORIS! (especially at 9 mill a season)
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Easy, Dking..How rarely am I serious..?
A lineup like that is destined for the lottery or an early coach termination…
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- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
haha yes
just wanted to make sure.
Sorry, I’ve got a thing against Boris because he never took responsibility for anything (just like Mike D, I guess). Listening to the 2 of them after losses was so frustrating because they never once said they lost due to anything they’d done. Its so refreshing to hear Gentry walk into a press conference and say “we sucked”. Love that guy.
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by Alex Laugan on Jun 9, 2010 7:25 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
he only plays great when he has something to prove, and only for stretches at a time
A good quote to also describe Amare.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
Yeah, but Amare averages 22,9, & 1.5 for his career...
How many PFs in the game today can say that asides from KG & TImmy?
Ease up on STAT, he’s got a few defects for sure, but a player of his caliber comes along not too often. He produces in the playoffs, energizes the crowd with his dunks, and recovers extremely well from injury. A lot of folks are out their clamoring for him to be shipped out, but we’ll be sorry if it happens. To be honest, I think Dirk or CB4 couldn’t really give us anymore than what STAT curently does. He fits our system and gives us much needed inside scoring.
Be careful what you ask for…you may just get it (and lottery land would suck…)
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by Daryl Ray on Jun 9, 2010 8:36 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
How can I ease up on Stat?
The guy is asking for the highest salary in the team and yet he sinks from time to time within games. J-Rich became more productive than him in the playoffs and I’m not saying J-Rich should be given the max next season. If Amare has shown a consistent effort on the other end (defensively) then I would probably on the same boat with you.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
Like I said, becareful what you ask for...
Dirk & others look so enticing right now…
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- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
by Daryl Ray on Jun 9, 2010 8:53 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts on Amar'e
-he is not, and never will be, a franchise player and is therefore undeserving of a max
-He’s got injury history and will need Knee Surgery in the future so if his demand is a 6 year max deal then let him walk, we don’t want to be lumbered with the next t-mac/elton brand style contract
-That being said, NAsh has only got 2/3 years left and it is unfair to waste that, so if Amar’e agrees to a 3 year deal it is worth giving him the max to keep nash’s sidekick around
Let him go
Sign David Lee. Better rebounder than Amar’e and doesn’t neccesarily need Nash to dish the ball since he can score off the offensive rebound. Also a hard worker. Only problem is he’s not an upgrade on defense.
Not an upgrade...
David Lee makes Amare look like young Motumbo in the paint…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
I know that. I said he’s not an upgrade at defense. Though I was pointing out that David Lee is a better rebounder than Amar’e is. And though Amar’e can get 10 rebs occasionally, Lee can consistently get over 10 rebs and though he’s not as good offensively as Amar’e, he’s not that much of a drop off since he can score bunches through offensive rebounds and the fact that he doesn’t need Nash to be producitve on offense is a plus.
Also, Lee's rebound stts are skewed..
1. Because of the fat nobody else on the Knicks even tries to reboud so it falls on David..
2. D’Antoni’s up and down system gives more rebound opportunities…
His numbers would exptrapolate to about 15.2 & 8.8 here in Phoenix..
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- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
by Daryl Ray on Jun 9, 2010 6:29 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
There is nothing wrong with those numbers. Few less points but equivalent rebs for about 60% of the price.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 9, 2010 6:41 AM MST up reply actions
it would not be 60% of the price
Amare would start at about 18 million if he signs an extension onto next year’s 17.7 (first year is 105% of previous year).
Lee’s first one would be 13 (or whatever the Suns have left under the cap). he already made 10 this past year, and there will be 5-7 teams with even more space and no one to spend it on after the big 3 sign, so Lee will get good offers.
And of course this means the Suns would have no room or exceptions to re-sign Lou or Frye for more than vet minimum or the 1.9 mill bi-annual exception.
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by Alex Laugan on Jun 9, 2010 7:11 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
better :)
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Wrong about his rebounding numbers...
The Suns wings rebound at a far greater rate than the Knicks wings do…This translates into more available rebounds for him to grab…Sure he is good at the boards, but analysis would tell you it still is going to be somewhere in the vivcinity of 8-9 rebounds a game here in Phoenix…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
agree
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But my response was to a post that said he would average 8.8 so that is what i was going off of.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 9, 2010 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
If you factor in available rebounds
and the percentage he grabs off the Knicks based off what’s available that his teammates don’t grab…Amare’s and David Lee’s rebounding totals would be similar…Otherwords, It’s his situation that is contributiing to his higher than average rebound totals.
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
We play at a faster pace than New York
So he would have more rebounding opportunities here if you use that logic.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
And the dude has chris freaking duhon as his PG vs steve!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
It is based off avbailable rebounds....not the offensive pace..
The Suns had the best shooting percentage in the league while New York was near the bottom…Combined with the facts that the Suns wings rebound much better than the Knicks wings did this year would result in Lee’s available rebounds dropping significantly…If you have less rebound opportunities, you will grab less rebounds…
This is why you can’t take Lee’s rebound numbers at face value…There has to be value added…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Thanks for clarifying
good points
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
That can also be a bit misleading though
do the knicks wings rebound less because Lee is such a strong rebounder?
Do we have a gang-rebounding strategy because we don’t have a strong rebounder in the middle?
If we had a strong rebounder such as lee would that free up our wings to get out on the break rather than crash the defensive glass?
well you forget that David plays out of position as a center...
He must carry the rebound load there…When you have Al Harrington or Jared Jeffereis lining us as your power forward, your focus becomes the boards. Maybe I am being over analytical , but I just don’t see David Lee pulling down more than 9 a game with the defensive schemes that the Suns use plus the fact he would be lining up next to Rolo as a PF..
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- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
I like STAT, always have but I have never been a huge fan of the guy. I think he has all the tools and all the talent in the world to be one of the best in the league but his motivation doesn’t always seem to be there. No reason a guy with his size can’t pull down more rebounds and be a presence on the inside defensively. I’m not saying he has to be the type of defensive guy that KG used to be(when he was younger) but he can certainly be better.
To me, if a guy is not giving the max effort and putting up max or darn close to max results then he doesn’t deserve a max contract, simple as that.
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I should clarify that to say that I do like STAT but not enough that I would ever consider giving him a Max deal, which some other seems to be willing to give him. I like him as a player but I dislike his sometimes less than all out play.
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+1
Even the guys at azcentral are convinced he doesn’t deserve the max contract he want. Geez, everyone here is drinking an Amare koolaid.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
Guys at AZCentral are convinced that we can just go get anyone we want.
Seriously, there’s an article there that says we should just go get Wade, Dirk, and Lee. Yeah, let’s do that. Even if we could, how are they going to fare against Gasol and a healthy Bynum? How are we going to pay salaries that put us $40 mil over the luxury tax?
Taking an objective look at the realistic options (as in dking’s fanpost) is not drinking kool-aid – it’s picking the best option to win.
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And you think signing Amare to a bigger contract will help us win against the Lakers?
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
Yes, I do.
I believe he will get better on defense. I believe that Robin, if healthy, will help more. I think there are some other players that can help, too – we could replace Collins with someone like Johan Petro from Denver.
The fact is, there aren’t a lot of 7’2" players out there who can compete with Bynum, and that just may be the way the cards fall. Guys like Kobe and Jordan win because they are one of a kind. They also have a payroll that’s more than $20 million than ours. (not counting the $12 mil they pay their coach) And they’re STILL seriously talking about getting Bosh. How do we compete with that? By signing the best player available. Maybe we don’t win it all, but it’s still the best team that we can possibly put on the floor.
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Dorothy
6 years, starting at 12 mil, moving up a year after that
year 4 team option, year 5 player option. i don’t know if this would work, but it ends up being around 14.5 mil per year.
i can’t see the suns paying this guy more than 17 mil a year for that long of a contract. there are too many other options (cheaper options). granted they might not get the same numbers, but at least they’ll have money to upgrade.
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Goran Dragic's tears can cure cancer... too bad he doesn't cry
Lots of talk about Amar'e being just about the money, but i understand this right...
If amar’e ONLY cared about the money. then his best option would be to push for a sign and trade with Toronto. Bosh wants out and wants the max. Bosh is younger and comparably skilled to amar’e (Not looking to start a debate over which is better). I’m just postulating That PHX might be more willing to go max years/money if anything because of bosh’s age. the one snag is amar’e would have to agree to go to awful team…But if ALL he cares about the money then it wouldn’t be an Issue, Suns get Bosh for 6 years making him 30 (I think) when it’s all said and done. Raps get probably the only comprable PF available to replace there disgrantled. hedo can suck balls again and sit out games, Amar’e won’t care and hopefully caldarone can find a way out…good for everyone right.
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by 2NASHTY on Jun 9, 2010 8:36 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Let's clear this up right now...
Amare wants to stay in the Valley of the Sun…He just wants to be paid handsomely to be here…I will say this…Giving STAT a Max salary over 4 years @ approx 80 millions isn’t that bad compared to some of the previous salaries that were handed out under the previous CBAs (Allan Houston, Tracy McGrady, anyone??).
Bottom line is STAT does produce and the Suns know it as well as every other team out there. Free Agency frenzy or not, STAT would get a max deal from some other team, regardless…Now it’s a matter to Suns management if he is the investment route they want to take. Personally, i don’t think it is a bad investment. he has proven his worth to this team and will continue to do so. However, I am not the Suns management but I do know that there best course of action if they don’t want to give him max is to work a sign and trade…This will give the Suns the best financial flexibility after the signing him option.
Letting him walk for nothing should not be an option….
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Thats what I'm getting at
he has no intention of leaving. he’s just trying to get as much as he can from PHX I can’t hate the guy for trying. I was just giving a plausable example that is only plausable if you assume Amar’e does’t give a shit about winning. NO WAY he agrees to go to a boshless raptors team not even for max money/years.
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by 2NASHTY on Jun 9, 2010 8:54 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Insight, Nashty...
To be honest, I am beginning to suspect that STAT is playing some psycholigical warfare with tsome of the things he has been saying…Trust me, I have know some idiots in me time (He’ll I am one of them…), and STATR ain’t stupid…He knows what he can get but woulld rather stay put…evben if he loses a little (key word being a little).
To me a package of his Option year 17.6 milllion, plus a three year deal totaling 57 million (Total of 74.6 million over 4 years) gets this done…Is it to rich for the Suns is the max question…It certainly won’t be for the team swith cap space to burn…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
Can't be just any cap space burn'n team
If he gets abetter offer from say the nets…and he’s the only big name being brought over he just uses it to bargin with.
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This is the deal I think works the best.
For both parties. Amare gets his big-star money (see Gasol’s contract), and the Suns have there team together for another run without breaking their future bank.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jun 9, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
The Suns have reportedly already offered him $100 mil - I don't know if that's for 5 or 6 years.
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Where did you see that?
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
I heard that too
can’t remember where – and it was a third party thing at that (though the reporter was valid)
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if you got it from hoopsworld than it's probably not true
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
*i saw it on hoopsworld is what I'm trying to say
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
fact
Something cannot actually be said to be good just because it is better than the WORST. What the Suns are looking is the NBA title, and sincerely, the chances of this team winning a Championship next season is extremely low if we bring the same set of players next season. We still lack a good defensive wing (i still believe Iggy is the guy for us). We also still lag behind in the rebounding aspect of the game and defense in general. Giving Amar’e MAX will cripple the team. If Amar’e is really dedicated to winning a ring, then i think he should agree to 16-17-18-19(team or player option) starting from 2010/11, this will give the team the chance to get a strong defender (may be even Iggy) with LB, and as it seems, Jones is expected to be on the team, which means we might actually see Frye traded with a sign and trade along with LB to get what we need to move forward.
I don’t think Kerr and sarver would want to just make the playoffs next season, i see sarver spending (over the luxury threshold) and Kerr going out to get someone big (besides, Jones showed flashes, and Clark i hope will come up big next season).
I completely disagree with everybody who says all Amare cares about is money.
The dude wants a championship. Of course money (moreso the legnth of the contact rather than the $ per year) will be a factor, but at the end of the day Amare will go wherever he thinks he has the best shot of winning it all.
Considering that we gambled and played through with him this year, I’d say Phoenix is very likely that place.
The grass is always greener on the other side but we are sorely going to miss Amare if he leaves. I hear everybody (cough spitfire cough) going back to those old criticisms that he cant rebound and cant defend. Well all I know is that everybody on the team including Coach Gentry have been raving about his improvements this year. Just because he got exposed by the Lakers (which is the longest team in the nba and gives all big men trouble) while playing in a zone defense that left him on an island alot of times doesn’t mean we should forget about the strides he made defensively (moving from poor to passable) this year, and the fact that he always seems to improve his game.
KEEP AMARE!
by yanyanman2 on Jun 9, 2010 9:37 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
well, the best combo of winning it all + most money
no one in the NBA will play for peanuts if they don’t have to. Amare just wants the best combo he can get, and I don’t blame him for it one bit.
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I agree
i don’t resent STAT in the slightest that he wants a max contract, i just don’t think the suns should give one too him.
fo sho
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Love the shout out
Old criticisms? Hey like I posted above, he wants to be payed the most money in the team and after 7 to 8 years he still sucks at rebounding and defense. I repeat, the most money in the whole team. Why can’t everybody get the message I’m trying to say? Do I want him to stay? Yes! How much do I think he’s worth? Unfortunately not more than 14 mil per year. If you’ve browsed to all my post from Frye to Lou to Amare, I’ve always been high on Lou’s motor and desire to affect the game positively. Never mind Frye, but Lou and Amare are both athletic and if and that’s a big f*cking IF Amare has the same desire that Lou has then you’ll hear no arguments from me. Players that wants the max should first give us 2 consecutive seasons of max play.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
I honestly think you are undervaluing STAT...
Here’s what you may be overlooking..Career Average Stats of some of the “Best” PF’s in history:
- Tim Duncan, 21.6 ppg, .508 FG%, .685 FT%, 11.8 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.3 bpg)
- Dirk Nowitzki ,22.4 points, 8.6 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 0.9 steals, and one block
- Charles Barkley, 22.1 points, 11.7 rebounds, four assists, 1.5 steals, and 0.8 blocks
- Kevin McHale, 18 points, 7.3 rebounds, 1.7 assists, and 1.7 blocks
- Karl Malone, 25 points, 10.1 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 1.4 steals, and 0.8 blocks
- Elvin Hayes, 21 points, 12.5 rebounds, 1.8 assists, one steal, and two blocks per game
- Kevin Garnett, 20.4 points, 11.2 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 1.4 steals, and 1.7 blocks
- Dave Debusschere,16.1 points, 11 rebounds, 0.8 blocks and three assists.
- Pau Gasol, .521%, 18.8 points, 9.0 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 0.5 steals, and 1.7 blocks
and Finally STAT:
Amare Stoudemire, .534%, 21.4 points, 9.0 rebounds, 1.3 assists, .9 steals, and 1.4 blocks
The bottom line is that so few PFs have been consistently good for this long. It is but a handful and everybody wants to toss this one away..
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
by Daryl Ray on Jun 9, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Again
I don’t want him gone. But he wants the max contract and I don’t think he deserves that and anything somewhere close to a max contract. The team will be too restricted if they give Amare the max contract. It all basically comes down to this: Amare wants more and so does the fans. Look at the list you’ve made. Barkley is 6’4 and he grabbed 11 rebounds. Amare is 6’10 and way more athletic than the Charles. Desire is the word here. To be exact, “Desire to become the best” is what Amare has to have in his head and heart. Consistently good? He needs to be consistently great first before he goes asking for the max.
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Also Charles may say he is 6'4", but he is a good 6'6"
I have stood next to him and I am 6’5"… He has a good inch on me as well as a hundred pounds or so…
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Of that list only three can be considered very good defenders..
The rest are kinda like Dirk, STAT & Barkley…just not that great…
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I'm more concerned with Amare's contract lenght than his salary...
We should, by NO MEANS, offer him more than 3 or 4 years. It’s too risky to give him more than that. I vote for a contract similar to what Gasol got last year. Otherwise, seeya Amare.
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by Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai on Jun 9, 2010 9:40 AM MST reply actions
I agree it's more about contract length
He does have plenty of leverage, as has been discussed in previus threads, there’s not a lot of options out there and i think he knows it. but I think he also know that he thrives in this system, if i had to guess I’d say He’s worried about being ditched when nash’s contract is up.
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by 2NASHTY on Jun 9, 2010 9:49 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's hilarious that you guys said
“MAX!”, “PAY HIM MAX”, “MAX STOUDEMIRE” during games, but now when it’s time to pay him he doesn’t deserve it. Just pay Amare, players like Amare don’t grow on trees, and do you even want Nash or Hill to have a 1% chance of winning a championship? Then Keep Amare. Gentry wants him back, JRich wants him back, Nash wants him back, Dudley wants him back, I want him back. as said before, none of us have any say in this, and let’s see what Kerr and Co. have in mind.
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you might say that now
but what about in 5 years when Amar’e is 34 and hobbled on the bench for an entire season after knee surgery, earning damn near $30million?
well, to split hairs: in 5 years he will be 32
which, in NBA years, is a lot younger than 34
Basically, the Suns would be signing Amare with the assumption that he will miss a year or more of the contract. They did that last time (he signed a max deal in summer 2005 right when they diagnosed his microfracture, even knowing they’d lose him for a year). Its up to the Suns to decide whether that’s worth it.
Alternately, they could give Bosh a max deal and he will be 32 as well, with a history of knee issues making him miss parts of several seasons and his team rarely being a playoff factor.
Or we could sign Dirk to a max deal and he will be 37 in 5 years – with very little chance of being good enough to earn his 30 mill…
see, there’s not a lot of options when you consider 5 yrs down the road with these guys. Only Wade and LBJ will likely still be in their primes in 5 yrs, of the ones available this summer.
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by Alex Laugan on Jun 9, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
iirc from the SSOL book
they found out about his injury after he inked his contract
I remember hearing about him signing the max contract before they did training camp in Tucson(which I got to see). They held him out of the scrimmage because he was having knee-pain…that’s when they did the scope and found that he’d need MF.
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yeah but he had reported knee pain before signing
and I remember Bryan C saying he knew
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You can always trade Amare if he's like that
Houston traded T-Mac and they got talent out of it. I say 5 years
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What you say looks great on paper and if you think about the next 2 or 3 years but..
Giving Amar’e a 6 year contract will be something regrettable down the road because Nash won’t last more than 2 or 3 years and we won’t have any cap space to replace him once he leaves. Plus, everybody seems to be forgetting that the upcoming CBA might very well decrease the cap and kill every team that overspends this summer. Keeping Amare sounds really good to me too, keeping him at the expense of killing our future, no thanks.
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by Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai on Jun 9, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
We don't need to replace Nash,
we have the Dragon. Most of the guys on our roster are getting paid less than $3 million, it’s just JRich, Nash and Amare.
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TURRIBLE!
by Suns R Us on Jun 9, 2010 10:29 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
you still need money to replace guys
what happens when nash / hill retire? or trying to resign / sign someone new when LB / richardson are gone? what about in a few years when dragic / lopez and those guys are up for new contracts?
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What will happen when Nash/Hill retire?
is exactly what STAT is thinking and why he wants a longer contract. he dosen’t want to be marginalized when nash retires…BTW that will be the very same day I spend in a bar crying in my beer one after the other…singn’ bye bye miss american pie
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and we can play the "remember that one time" game
like ,remember that one time when nash……yea that was awsome
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thats amare
i think he will opt out flirt around get his ego up and come back to the suns and say Amare MAX contract Please. and i am fine with that to be honest i think we all concerned about the contract length. i say 5 year max contract first 3years guaranteed 4th team option and 5th player option which i think would be fair for amare and the team.
Sidenote he said his opting out this year so what will his salary be next year? will it be more than his $17m player option or will it be lower anyone ?
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My guess is that it would be that or a little more, then 10.5% increases per year for the term.
He may take a little less. I don’t know how he negotiates around not being able to insure his knees. I also don’t have any idea what Kerr is thinking, or what Sarver will agree to. However, if we don’t sign a big time player this year, I don’t think we’ll be able to sign anyone until 2012 or 2013, because of the new CBA. It may not matter anyway, if there’s a lock-out in 2011.
Still, it’s less money than Dirk would command, by 5 mil a year.
Kerr has earned the right to decide. I’m sure that whatever he decides will give us the best chance to win. but the deal that gets made might be something no one can foresee – like a S&T three-way deal involving player no one has thought of.
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hoopsworld.com says
“The word is Stoudemire will sign a six-year contract worth around $127 million with the Suns after he opts out of his current deal. Other teams will most certainly make their pitches to Stoudemire, but it seems his heart is in Phoenix. He’s their player to lose.”
I don’t know what their source is, but what are you guys’ opinions.
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I'd like a shorter contract.
But if that’s what the front office decides, I’m fine with that.
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If Kerr & Sarver did that then they'll be the laughing stock of the whole NBA..
When the cap lowers from the new CBA, all hope of signing someone in the future ( a free agent or draftee) will vanish because of the amount of money tied to Amare.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
hoopsworld has also traded Amare like 7 times
in the past 2 years. So don’t put any stock in that.
but if it IS true, it’s better than the alternative – a 6-yr extension on the 17.7 for next year. This way (opting out) he would start at 16.2 mill. We could use that 1.5 mil a year on 1-2 players.
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by Alex Laugan on Jun 9, 2010 9:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
amare wants to win
but if he get 20mil per year, how can we sign some other valuable pieces to win a championship?
I am just wondering if he is negotiatiating some other things than just money and lenght of a contract? as a “franshise player” he should negotiate also about who he wants suns to sign, which of course could interfere with money and lenght of a contract…
what I am saying, he can give us a discount if he is happy with how team is build…
He won't agree to any discount. The mere fact that he won't pick up his 17 mil extension is the proof of that.
Damn 17 million isn’t enough for him for the whole year.
Timon: Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata! Ain't no passing craze
Timon: It means no worries for the rest of your days
Timon: It's our problem-free philosophy
Both: Hakuna Matata!
The Lion King (1994)
than he is lying
it’s not about winning… it’s about money… he knows we cannot sign much else if we sign him for 20mil…
beside, he is maybe pisking up his option to get longer contract… at 17 mil, why not… there is always risk of injury in final year of contract…
actually, all Amare said was that he wouldn't do just a one-year extension with nothing else
thats it. He just said he won’t play out the year leading into a lockout. he wants more years.
I actually think its possible that he will opt out AND re-sign with the Suns for the 16.224 first-year package with 10.5% raises. Thats much better for the Suns’ financial picture (ie. adding needed parts) than 17.7 next year, 18 the year after and 10% raises after that.
he would be saving the Suns 1.5-2 mill a year and still get his max contract. I think the Suns would be happy with that.
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