Breaking Down Suns Acquisitions Of Hedo Turkoglu And Josh Childress
Well, well well.
Isn't this fun? Say what you want about the Suns, but they are never boring. Not on the court and not in the offseason.
Wow.
I put a very detailed analysis of these moves over at SB Nation Arizona. And yes, if you are wondering... I am in fact trying to drive some traffic to that new site. Sue me.
Here's the conclusion for you impatient types:
The Josh Childress deal is fantastic. He's a dynamic player who's been coveted by many teams and at 27 years old is coming into his prime. To get him for only a second round pick is a steal. He provides depth at two positions that both happen to be occupied by guys (Hill and Richardson) who have only one year left on their contracts. Childress is a player who can and should start for an NBA team, unlike a role player like Jared Dudley, who is best in a reserve role.
Childress will make the Suns better defensively and, if he can improve his three-point shooting from his career average of .360, then he can fit nicely with the Suns as a spot-up shooter. His .522 overall field goal shooting in four years with the Atlanta Hawks is the sign of a highly efficient offensive player, which is exactly what the Suns covet.
A + for pulling off this deal.
Hedo Turkuglo is going to take some more convincing. He's a very unique player, but as stated above, will likely struggle defensively at the power forward and create even more problems on the defensive glass.
If he eventually moves back to small forward when Hill retires and the Suns find a better option to start at the four, then that will probably make more sense. In the meantime, there are concerns over a guy who chose as a free agent to go to Toronto and then asked to be traded after only one season. A friend of mine who covered the Raptors this season responded with "good luck" when I asked if he was a good guy.
At 31 years old, with four years left on his contract, this is a much bigger risk. I can't help but think of another 6-foot-10 foreign player (Peja Stojakovic) who signed a long-term deal with the Hornets that has turned into a giant drain on their team. That's the worst case scenario. Of course, with news that the Suns head trainer Aaron Nelson has also re-signed with the Suns for four more years, we can hope that the healing magic continues and Hedo remains productive.
Trading Leandro Barbosa is a wise move. His time here had run its course and with the development of Goran Dragic, his services became redundant. He is a great teammate and fantastic person and for those reasons will be missed, but losing him isn't a big blow to the team's on-court potential.
There's a lot of unanswered questions with Hedo and this deal could go either way. It could prove to be a fantastic move if he stays healthy and plays well or it could certainly be a bust.
I am giving this deal a C.
Once again, the Suns prove to be a team willing to make moves and shake things up. There's never a dull moment and if nothing else, there will be plenty to talk about when the team takes the court in October.
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you think they all look the same
dudes without fro’s that is
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jul 12, 2010 12:22 AM MDT up reply actions
No, I just really think he looks like the Rock. With or with out the Fro, but you can tell it much better without the Fro.
haha, jk
no, i can see it
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jul 12, 2010 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m still worried about the rebounding. I hope we go out and get either Howard or Kurt Thomas to matchup against the bulkier teams out west and as insurance policy for when Lopez gets hurt.
he wouldnt get any minutes
this team is SO deep now
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 12, 2010 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I broke down the rebs/minute, and with a guesstimated distrib of minutes
the Suns will prob pull down about 41 rebs per game. last yr we pulled down 43 per game, while giving up 42.3 per game.
So the defense will have to improve on perimeter, to force more misses shots. Hopefully, Childress can help there.
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Don't know much about Childress,
but what I’m reading shows him to be a relentless defender, has a 6’11" wingspan, 3’ vertical, and he gets a LOT of steals – something the Suns have always been deficient in.
Not sure how he’ll be played – but I see a lot of other teams, including SA, were very interested – I find that encouraging.
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Love it!
Love them both…Couldn’t be happier with both moves! Hedo will prove his worth, just give him a chance in our system.
by 7footer on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Deals don't make sense
without a J-Rich for a big man trade.
J-Rich is going to walk at the end of the year and the Suns will get nothing anyways. They need a big and Minny has been begging people to take Al Jefferson. It’s a match made in basketball heaven.
That allows Turk to move out to the top of the key where he’s best and everyone is happy.
then we would have zero shooting guards on our roster
we should probably extend J-Rich instead
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jul 12, 2010 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Childress can play the 2
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you sure about that?
I thought he was at least a SF, maybe even a backup 4
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jul 12, 2010 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions
childress is a 2 first and a 3 second
he could never play the 4
Sports are ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
by Wichita SunSteeler on Jul 12, 2010 12:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Childress played the 3 in Atlanta
because JJ played the 2, his natural position is SG
but you're right about Al Jefferson
Dude has skills. If we dont get him, someone else will
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jul 12, 2010 12:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think we need to pick up a PF to justify these moves
It would be a mistake to swap J-Rich for Al just so we have a traditional line-up for one year. Unless it were to make us championship contenders, there’s no reason to take a gamble on a deal like Al’s.
by hcblankscreen on Jul 12, 2010 12:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Al Does that
Having Al makes you a legit contender. Could we beat LAL with Al? Maybe. Can we beat LAL with the team we have now? No way.
It’s a move you have to make to be competitive.
I think the Suns trade J-Rich for Al and then sign Raja back for the min and let Raja Start.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d let Josh start if that was the case. Raja can’t start anymore.
However, I think we give it till mid-season. J-Rich’s contract will be very attractive by then. Who knows what we could pull off?
In the meanttime, we wil be obliterated on the boards..
Teams like LAL will be playing volleyball off our backboard…Why didn’t we trade LB for some rebounding help???
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Hey, Hedo had a 17 rebound game last year for the Raptors maybe you will be surprised. HA HA HA HA HA, if that sausage head Hedo was still in Toronto I would kick his sausage head butt in the parking lot (sorry couldn’t resist).
Seriously, Hedo can contribute if he is motivated. Yall will just have to hope he is motivated.
Taking on both Jefferson and Hedo's contract is not a wise move
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
Explain
Jefferson has a smaller deal than J-Rich, so you’re saving money…isn’t that the name of the game?
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:03 AM MDT up reply actions
what do you mean JRich will be a free agent next year
Al has 39 mil maybe more over 3 years compared to 1 year of 13 mil
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sure...
but it’s cheaper this year and given what he’ll have to pay to resign J-Rich at the end of this year it’s probably cheaper long term. There’s just not a lot of talent that’s FA in 2011 and J-Rich will have a lot of bidders. Probably the best player in the group after Melo.
Suns can hold and hope for Stuckey, Gasol (Marc) or Laundry, but they’ll be competing with teams that have much deeper pockets IE the Knicks and they’ll have to worry about Dragic and Dudley’s deals. Better to take the cheaper option that’s locked in longer and also gives Nash the best chance to win before he retires.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:25 AM MDT up reply actions
JRich is not going to command anywhere near 13 million
probably 7-8 million
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
I want to agree but after seeing some of the contracts this year...
If Amir Johnson is getting 7 million a year, J-Rich is probably going to be able to find 10 million. Especially since shooting guard is a surprising hard position to fill and teams like NY, Chicago, NJ, etc. could be looking for someone.
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look at the other options.
2011 isn’t exactly loaded with great FA’s. After Melo it drops off significantly and there’s going to be teams with high stress to find good talent, IE New York and New Jersey that will dramatically overpay to get it. I agree his value should be around 8-10, but he’ll probably get 14 to 15
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:31 AM MDT up reply actions
agreed
but if you’re NYK coming off a crappy year what else are you gonna do?
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I see what you mean but even 10 million is a stretch
No GM is gonna sign him to that if they want to keep their job, espescially with CBA looming
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
Yeah. He'll get 10 - 12 at most.
Unless he has a ridiculous year this season, I don’t see people investing that kidn of money on a 30 year old shooting guard.
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could be
IDK though Look at what Turk got in this deal when he was 30. Same story: bad market, good player. It happens.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Turk was coming off a huge season
and he was a star player on a championship caliber team
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And he still only got 10 million per.
He signed for 5 years, 50 million.
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Others
Who have gotten way overpaid recently:
Rip Hamilton
Baron Davis
Peja
Michale Redd
Emeka Okafor
AK 47
K-Mart
Erick Dampier
Bad signings in that price range happen all the time.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:44 AM MDT up reply actions
AK47
I’ve always liked Ak47, it was tough for him behind boozer. As a starter on the Suns he’d rock. How terrible is his contract ? AK47 or Jefferson?
His contract is about $17M, but it expires this season, so it’s not too bad. He’d probably be a subpar rebounder from PF though.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Jul 12, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
JRich isn't a game changer and is unlikely to have a breakout year
and a big part of his game relies on his athleticism.
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
Put down the bong....
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by Spit_Fire on Jul 12, 2010 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
With the new CBA, 10-12 million will only go to Superstars..
They are proposing that Max salary be only 25% of the salary cap…That is about a 20-25% reduction in salary structure..
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
I say we sign another big and give it until the mid-season. If our team is really struggling to win because they can’t rebound than we kind of have to trade J-Rich(he’d be our most trade able) for a rebounding big.
like who?
Kurt Thomas won’t get off the bench with Lawai being a better rebounder at this point in their careers. So, who would you sign?
The problem with waiting till mid season is that Jefferson will get healthier and if you remember he was a 25, 13 guy when healthy. It’ll cost a lot more than just J-Rich when guys like Denver are going to get into a bidding war. Now is the time to do it when they could rope a pick outta minny in addition to big Al and you have time to recover and sign a SG who can actually play.
Just dream with me a little:
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by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions
J-Rich’s contract will be very attractive to certain teams especially with the Lock out coming. I think we will get offers for him regardless of us trying to move him.
like what
throw me a name that would be better than big Al?
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Josh Smith. It’s a possibility because the Hawks can’t afford to keep both him and Howard after they gave JJ the huge contract with the lock out on its way.
Great Player, but...
He’s just another SF. He might be a large SF, but that’s what he is. It still doesn’t get us the rebounding or size we need. Is Josh Smith a better fit on the team than J-Rich?
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:05 AM MDT up reply actions
He can play the 4
He’s been doing it in Atlanta and defensively and rebounding-wise, he’d be a step in the right direction. I could also see him being an absolute beast running alongside Nash.
The problem, however, is that it has to be a three team deal. The Hawks wouldn’t want J-Rich since he plays the same position as Joe Johnson and they need to get a center back (which is why Smith’s on the block; Horford wants to play PF)
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ya, but he can't board
He’s an outstanding defender and he’s great on the break, but he can’t board and that’s what we need and as you said, it’d be a tricky deal. I just don’t see it getting done.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:21 AM MDT up reply actions
SoulHonky mentioned in another thread I think, that Murphy would be a less risky option. Not better, but he is a good rebounder and is also an expiring contract. Just throwing names out there.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Jul 12, 2010 12:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Softest big man in the league. He can rebound yes, but his defense is so much worse than Amare’s. I heard this from a Pacer fan in a writing contest. He gave a very passionate and detailed response of Troy Murphy’s softness. I’d go with a slower Al Jefferson over Murphy.
The key is finances.
On the court, I take Jefferson every day (although I do worry a bit about him running with Nash.) But Murphy is also an expiring deal so it might be a more realistic deal unless Sarver is willing to commit to another player with a big long term contract.
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Sarver wants to make money
and the way you make money is to have a competitive team. With J-Rich you lose him at the end of the year for nothing with a crappy FA class where you can’t recover. With Al you get a guy putting up similar numbers to STAT for $8 million less per year and he’s only 25. So you have a young talented group signed a reasonable deals for a long time. Perfect way to make cash for a long time.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Theres a reason teams are avoiding him
He puts up similar numbers, but Jefferson is just a player that has stats, its not really that he helps his team that much
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Victim of Circumstances
The guy has only played on crappy teams in Boston and Minny. We’ve never seen the guy have any talent around him. So, to say that he doesn’t help his team isn’t just a one sided street. He has to have a little help.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:27 AM MDT up reply actions
They could sign Carl Landry or David West next year.
Keep J-Rich this year and then make a run at Landry or West next season. (They could go after West this year but, like Smith, it would have to be a three team deal.) Also, one of the reasons Jefferson can’t be given away is because most people don’t see his deal as reasonable. I root for Jefferson but he’s got a lot of issues, most problematic being his defense and injury history.
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Landry and Gasol
Are the two top people I’d like to see them target in 2011 if they just let J-Rich walk. However, I think both guys are going to get large deals in the open market and PHX will get left out to dry.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Jefferson is very easy to get
Minnesota is desperately trying to get rid of him. They tried to trade him for Zach Randolph. If they somehow got Jrich for him that would be a still ON THEIR PART. Randolph cannot defend nor is he a passer. Theres a reason the Timberwolves have not been successful with him. Also we saw what happened with Shaq and Amar’e. Lopez and Jefferson would be even worse. You cannot be a run and gun team with Jefferson.
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
Don't get Jefferson for Run and Gun
They are trying to give him away and I think they’d give us a 1st round pick to go with Al in this deal, which would be huge.
They don’t like Al because he doesn’t work well in their Triangle. Before the triangle came into town he was putting up 23 and 11. With it, 17 and 9. They have to move him out of that system.
Yes he’s slow, but he’s not shaq or even Rolo. He’s a great pick and pop or pick and roll guy and he is capable of taking the ball in the post and creating his own offense.
In the end though, you don’t get Al for the regular season run and gun fun Suns. You get Al so that you can play against LAL in the playoffs and still matchup well enough to win. You need size for that. someone who can rebound and who can score when the defense is so tight that it smothers the run and gun. Amare wasn’t that kind of guy. Al is and he’s $8 mil cheaper than Amare.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:10 AM MDT up reply actions
The Wolves are also throwing their 1st round pick with it? Seriously?
If the Wolves would give us their pick for next draft and the right to swap our 1st pick to their 1st pick for the 2013 then by all means get him.
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They just want out
from under his contract. I think they’d give a first rounder to get from under it. I don’t think they’d swap, but you never know. Those are the kind of smart negotiations that happen when you have a GM…which we don’t.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:30 AM MDT up reply actions
They can't do that though
They already owe the Clippers are pick so they can’t trade their 2011 pick (and since the protection will probably kick in, that means their 2012 pick goes to the Clips unprotected). They also owe Miami a first round pick swap in the Beasley deal, although they have something like seven years to pay that off.
The Wolves want to move Al but unless Kahn really wants to make a run at being a worse GM than McHale, I don’t think he’s going to give up a first round pick to do it.
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the pick is just the icing…I think that getting Al is the priority.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Lol. I think the pick is the priority since its gonna be a top 8 pick
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A name I really like is Carl Landry
I would love to see him in a Suns uni
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+1
agreed, but I don’t think Sac town is gonna take that deal.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah I think they would
Think about it, they have a big frontcourt logjam. They have 3 young promising bigs in JT, Cousins, and Whiteside, plus they have Dalembert then Jon Brockman. Thats 5 then 6 with Landry. There aren’t enough minutes for all of them. I think Jared Dudely and a future 1st rounder could get him.
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I don't either
and now he is injured
My big problem is that I would be ok with the pick if we did not do the Lee trade because I don’t see the point if we could have drafted someone similar in Monroe without paying him 13 mil long term and giving up our best defenders
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I say the Warriors should have picked Monroe
I was hoping to see a Monroe and Randolph tandem kinda’ like Robinson and Duncan.
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They just traded Kevin Martin for Landry
They aren’t going to turn around and give him away for a Dudley and a late first. If anything, they’d deal Jason Thompson for that, not Landry.
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JMZ leaving PHX!?
I just don’t see it. Not for Landry or Thompson.
by JAndrewClark on Jul 12, 2010 1:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Landry fits too well for Kings
he’s a good guy and full of hustle. I really don’t see them letting him go unless something weird happens this year.
my thoughts exactly
we need to ride out this line until at least the all star break (unless it is extremely horrible) JRich will be more valuable as a trade asset near the trade deadline. Wait until a team is more desperate to move a strong four. Move Hedo to the three, and Childress starts at the two. That is a strong team!
by Drew Grisham on Jul 12, 2010 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Al Jeff
is a terrible fit in Phoenix…pass
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 12, 2010 4:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Seriously.
If we were concerned about Amar’e’s injury history even though he looks like he never got injured to begin with, then I think we might have to give Al Jefferson a contract where each year is only guaranteed 25% with the rest being based on minutes. He may be a good player but not a good fit and the injuries really cast a lot of doubt.
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I'm really excited about both
I’m going to give Hedo the benefit of the doubt as far as his personality goes. I loved what he did for Orlando a couple years back. We’ll see how he fits. Alvin’s going to have a lot of room to play with lineups.
I will miss LB greatly, but mostly because I liked him as a guy. Let’s go Suns!
Don’t know too much about Childress, but I look forward to seeing him and Fropez on the court at the same time. Add some grain to the telecasts and you’d think we were back in the 70s!
Love
both deals to be honest. I feel Hedo will surprised many people here. One thing that I like is that he’s a very clutch player. He can hit the big shots as well as anyone in the league.
Well, Alex, I trust your opinion.
Gentry is going to earn his money this year – but if anyone can make this work, he can.
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+1
Gentry is going to have a lot on his plate this year.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Jul 12, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I completely
Understand the reservations about Turkoglu given his less than stellar season last year. But If you look at his history in Sac and Orlando, it’s easy to see which is the rule and which is the exception.
Turkoglu was miserable in Toronto, and it wasn’t a good fit at all. In our system, he will be able to use his varied skill set in many ways, instead of being tied into one role.
Plus, we dumped a bad contract in Barbosa, who just doesn’t fit for us anylonger, and acquired a guy who can really help our team…for only $3mil more!
As much as I like the Childress signing, and I LOVE it, I’m even happier about Turkoglu coming. I think our fans will be pleasantly surprised about this move once they see what he brings to the table.
by 7footer on Jul 12, 2010 12:23 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Well, I like his offensive game...
But defensively he is Amareish….On the boards he is downright putrid. If we are going to play him at PF, we need everybody to rebound because he surely won’t do it…He averages like 4. rebounds a game for his career and he is 6’10….Turrible…
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gonna make some welcome to the desert wallpapers or something im gettign excited for the suns again, at least i know well be a playoff team next year. I really worry about hedo at the four though even if i love his game him plus steve nash facilitating the ball well be fun to watch
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by Wichita SunSteeler on Jul 12, 2010 12:23 AM MDT reply actions
what do you think line-ups are gonna look like now? because turkoglu and childress are both starting type players…
It’s going to be either Nash, J-Rich, Hill, Turk, and Lopez with Dragic, Childress, Dudz, Warrick, and Frye.
Or Nash, J-Rich, Turk, Warrick, and Lopez with Dragic, Childress, Hill, Dudz, and Frye.
Either way, the lineups are potent. With the 2nd one I listed, Hill adds more ball handling in the 2nd unit to help out Dragic. Plus that smaller 2nd unit would be very versatile on defense and offense.
The first lineup maintains a good balance of size for both lineups. So Alvin will choose what he feels is best and make that choice. We all know Grant will come off the bench if it will help his team so that’s not an issue.
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word. sounds pretty good. so lou is pretty much gone after he declined the one year deal…clark doesn’t look to be getting a lot of time.
by billyjohnson on Jul 12, 2010 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions
where’s dudley go then? behind hill or move him to shooting guard
by billyjohnson on Jul 12, 2010 12:41 AM MDT up reply actions
A lot of people on ESPN are stupid
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by Spit_Fire on Jul 12, 2010 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly, just thought I’d throw that out there.
by Beavis 25 on Jul 12, 2010 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we should trade J-rich for a big
and start childress at SG.
Lets say we'll do it
Can you give some names? All I have in mind, whether the salaries work or not are Brook Lopez, Al Horford, Anthony Randolph or Greg Monroe.
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OMG PLEASE GREG MONROE
i watched him at gtown and hes freakin awesome. his ceiling is tremendous. plays smart, physical enough interior defense and a very good rebounder. super super skilled big man. is there ANY way we can get this guy? i have no idea
plus, if we got him we would have over half of our starting lineup capable of getting 6+ assists per game. wow…
Dumars doesn't love him enough
Maybe Sarver should talk to Dumars about a trade.
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Please No. Have you watched him in the Summer league. he is softer than Charmin
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 12, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
As much as I'd love to have Brook with us, New Jersey would be stupid to make this trade
Unless they actually think they have a shot at Melo next offseason. I’d love to have Brook with us. Brook and Robin would literally be the twin towers that Phoenix could use to battle Gasol and Bynum. They’re both physical and we know Pau and Bynum don’t like that. What a steal that would be.
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And what a moron Thorn would be☺
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For Hedo, 11, 4, 4 are still good numbers. However, I think they increase a bit playing with Steve Nash.
I would think 18, 5 and 5
unless he doesn’t get enough minutes cuz there’s SO many people who need minutes.
Such a deep team. Wow.
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The Turk might be the only guy we sign, this summer, who can give us consistent play..
For all the hoopla about Warrick & Childress, those two are pretty inconsistent players.. occasionally good, mostly middling/mediocre, occasionally awful. In Orlando & Sactown, Hedo was a pretty consistently good player, with the occasional blinder…
raising the floor.. nice to see people pay attention.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jul 12, 2010 12:40 AM MDT reply actions
If I recall, the Turk was a computer system that was a precursor to Skynet in Terminator: the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
How will it play basketball for us?
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Turk is a doctor with a bestfriend doctor named JD
Scrubs
by raulgabriel9999 on Jul 12, 2010 3:18 AM MDT up reply actions
you mean the chess playing machine..
disappointed with you though..
if you’re gonna do a semi-humorous Turk reference, you’d go for Turk from Scrubs.
otherwise, if you wanna be just a little more obscure, go for the Turk from The Godfather.. “try the veal, it’s the best in the city”
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by Pliny the Elder on Jul 12, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I won't be surprised if the Suns trade Clark before the trade deadline
As the acquisition of both Turk and Childress leaves him no playing time.
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Yeah, but why?
There’s really no point trading away a guy like Clark because he costs so little but has so much upside. The only way Clark gets traded away is if we need him to sweeten a deal.
by hcblankscreen on Jul 12, 2010 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions
You mean possible upside.
We still aren’t impressed with his current Summer League performance. C’mon Clark! =(
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I'm with you
I’m still hoping Clark can comeback from two consecutive lousy performance in SL.
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Hi Guys
I am and have been on record on Clark not making it with the Suns. I watched most of his games in Louisville and all they talked about was "when he asserts himself. He never did nor will he now!
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and I share a birthday for what it’s worth, I hope for the Suns’ sakes that this will be a good omen. As for Hedo, I think he’s a great acquisition for the PHX. The Jazz seem poised at ruining all of their good momentum from last season so I hope the Mavs and Suns tear it up and shut the Lakers down. Everyone in the NBA knows Phoenix and Dallas in the WCF is the best thing that can happen! Someone just needs to share this little factoid with Commi$h $tern.
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by the new Bradfather on Jul 12, 2010 12:56 AM MDT reply actions
Every blog I went liked the matchup between the Suns and the Lakers
Some even went to as far as saying that the Suns are bringing fun to the playoffs.
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Well
it’s certainly not the Lakers bringing fun to the playoffs….
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jul 12, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope Gentry won't play Frye and Turk at the same time
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If Gentry does, it will be the right thing to do.
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What exactly does this mean about jriches and clark's future?
It worries me that the suns wanted Hedo Turkoglu when they already signed warrick and have clark waiting in the wings. Turk is horrible defensively and is by no means able of playing PF; look at rashard lewis.
Also on a side note, peja signed that deal when he was healthy and didnt have 6 cracked ribs.
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
This means that either Sarver thinks Richardson will go away or he thinks he could not simply afford to keep J-Rich
Clark? Sarver has no patience plain and simple.
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That isn't hwat I wanted to hear. Turk is a poison, can't play D or rebound. We don't need more sf's who'll be forced to play pf
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
I know what you mean.
I’m getting the feeling that Sarver is rushing things. Btw, Lon Babby also represents Turk, maybe him becoming a member of the front office has something to do with this damn trade.
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Turk is a poison?
who helped carry Orl to the Finals, and got multiple huge FA offers last summer?
gimme that poison…
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Turk
If contracts and everything aside, I’d like to see Turk as our Lamar Odom. Big arse 6th man off the bench, leads the offense.
That role might fall to Grant if Gentry decides to start Turk.
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Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Grant deserves to start
especially since he doens’t play well off the bench.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 12, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
He could be a token starter though
start, but still only play 20-25 mpg
agreed
he was the Magic’s leading 4th-quarter scorer the year that they went to the finals
by cha cha cha on Jul 12, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Here is the person i have been wanting in a suns jersey for way too long
JaVale McGee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opcT9pVQQpQ
If any of you remember, we were predicted to get him but drafted Lopez instead confusing many people since Lopez is slow. McGee is 7 feet tall but can put the ball on the floor like a guard. I had the pleasure of going to school with him in Nevada and watching him crush everyone and even throw down on many solo full court fast breaks.
I have no idea what his contract situation is or if its realistic to get him but he would be a magical fit in my opinion and he would be cheap. Just a dream of mine.
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I like him too.
But the Wiz won’t give him up. He needs to throw a temper tantrum to be released for us to pick him up.
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yeah
They are pretty high on him so getting them to give him up would be tough. I think he is going to develop into something really special though and would be so perfect for our style. Bigs that can run and put the ball on the floor like him are very rare. I would be willing to give up a good amount to bring him over. It s far from likely but let me dream a bit!
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Ya he looks really good playing agianst guys who will be working at Costco in two weeks.
But unfortunatley he is so-so, against the real NBA players.
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 12, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
At last some good news.
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Wouldn't Hedo start at SF?!
Why not just have Grant Hill come off the bench? It seems more logical to me than playing a non-rebounding SF playing pretend PF. Its not like Hill would raise a fuss at his age and would give us better rebounding with Hedo Warrik Lopez all on the floor together.
PG – Nash / Dragic
SG – Richardson / Childress
SF – Hedo / Hill
PF – Warrick / Frye / Hedo
C – Lopez / Frye / K. Thomas?
by ap3604 on Jul 12, 2010 3:40 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I doubt Chill can play sg
he is bad shooter and I don’t remember him coming off screens for jump shots… he scores mostly off penetrations and offensive rebounds… which is nice, just not for SG position…
do you think Chill can guard Kobe? we need that as no1 priority… as no2 priority we need 9 rebounds to be compensated, plus additional 2-3 more we wanted from amare.. with hedo we get 5, maybe one more can go to hill, still short…
No Chill cant guard Kobe
But now there is hope with Amare gone. They stay competitive and interesting now. If the Lakers lose Fisher to the Heat its over anyway. The Lakers need Fishers experience to 3 peat next year.
Technically no one can guard Kobe.
But with Childress and Dudley in the 2nd unit, Kobe’s gonna have a lot of trouble hehe
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It takes 3 people I guess
I mean thats how he missed the shot that Artest put back. I think the Suns are doing it the right way, with depth. You cant go out and find a Kobe Bryant or guard him one on one so just keep bringing in fresh guys who can score and are capable of playing good minutes, I like it.
The Suns really never had a PF or Center on the floor until last year, where they actually played well. They compensated so much for Amare maybe they dont feel like they have to do that this year. Amare played alot of center all those years, Marion played PF alot of games. I don’t know why everyone is questioning the dicisions here. The Suns have got alot of players now who can play either, better then what they had in any of those earlier seasons. Granted Amare was talented by himself but Hedo, Warrick and Childress> Amare anyday of the week. Hedo is a proven player, you have to atleast like the direction. He had a bad year on a suck team last year where everyone knew THEIR best player was leaving reguardless.
True.
Honestly I don’t think we need a traditional sort of roster. Our system is a bit unorthodox as it is. Most people don’t associate our uptempo system with winning championships. However, the Suns always get close. I think that there’s always a chance. This team is led by a superb leader and the roster looks pretty good if we can also add maybe Kurt Thomas or Juwan Howard.
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Kurt Thomas and Juwan Howard
Wow, blast in the past. Leave the medicare guys alone. They’ll only take valuable minutes from some of the guys trying to develop their game.
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The SBnation article makes me sad
I don’t even want to think about Dudley becoming a free agent. Ever.
Reasons why this is a great deal for the Suns and dont worry about Hedo
1. Josh and Hedo both fundamentally fit to what the Suns like to do and both come from High IQ’s as far as basketball goes.
2. Hedo was willing to dump 5 million to come to the Suns period. Why? Hedo made a mistake and was paying for it in Toronto. This guy has never played for a bad coach and has always done the job playing for great coaches who have used him in good systems to fit him, Gentry will find a way to use him alot like Orlando used him.
At this point in their careers Hedo is better then Hill, and he’ll be starting and be used alot with the second unit to explore the possiblity of Gorans scoring capabilities. This makes the Suns better this year in my opinion
Love, LOVE the poll, and also love the acquisitions.
You know what; I was rooting for Josh to go to the Celtics. Bah.
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Why Hedo...?
For the life of me, I can’t see how this improves the team when we need a rebounder…We didn’t need another shooter…Might as well have kept LB if that was the case…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
just finished playing through my first lineup...
of including hedo and childress (cap) on nba2k.
dang are we in trouble with regards to the PF spot… :( i keep subbing hedo/grant/jared in and out for some dexterity and putting in frye early in the game..
How badly do we get killed on the boards...
And we used to scream about 6"10" Amare (9.0 rpg) not rebounded as well as he should..Wait till we get a load of 6’10" Hedo Turkoglu (4.2 rpg).
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
From a Raps fan looking in
I hope Hedo works for you guys (the Suns get a ton of support North of the border) but his biggest complaint last year was not getting the ball enough, and with Nash I don’t see that changing (really who in their right mind doesn’t want the ball in Nash’s hands?)
I also find the discussion of wanting Jefferson interesting…. isn’t one your teams main assets the ability to run the floor. Its one thing Jefferson doesn’t do. While Steve Nash is great in nearly any fashion…. he is still at his best on the move no? not to bring up bad memories, but didn’t Shaq prove that?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jul 12, 2010 6:54 AM MDT reply actions
Nash can adjust to anything -
and we also saw in the playoffs (WCF, Game 6, in particular) that when teams focus on Nash a bunch, they can stop the ball – this gives us more options – kind of like when LB or Dragic play with Steve.
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The only reason that he and Shaq didn't get along that well was because
Shaq was so big and clogged up the lanes. Plus, Terry Porter kept forcing them to play “dump the ball in to the center”, which threw off Nash’s game completely. I guess one knock on Nash’s game is that he’s so used to creating for others that I suppose he’s not used to playing with a player that tries too hard to create on his own. Especially when that player is stubborn and never changes his ways to adapt to the team.
Shaq failed in both an uptempo system with us AND a really slow system with Cleveland. So clearly it’s not Steve’s inability to play in a different type of system that caused the breakdown in 2009.
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Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
don't think Nash is or would be the problem
but rather Hedo (since he needs the ball) and Jefferson (since he is not a ‘mover’ but rather a half court guy)
Anyways, just my two cents
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jul 12, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Turkoglu is a gem
As both a Suns fan and a Floridian — I love this move. I mention the last because I got the chance to see Hedo Turkoglu here in Orlando when he — as much as Howard — was the engine that powered the Magic to an Eastern Conference title in 2009.
While Hedo is not a banger, he is a definite inside presence, and he is, bar none, the best passer in basketball over 6-8. He is creative and makes others better. He is a good shooter and loves to play in space and while in motion. And as far as defense goes, let’s not forget that for the last three years, the Magic were among the league’s top three in defense.
And if anyone can whip Earl Clark into shape, he can. He has the skill set that E. C. is supposed to have, and he comes out and gives his all every night.
Personally, I see this as the Suns doing two things:
1) Seizing on a high-class player who wanted out of a bad situation and has a set of unique skills
2) Setting themselves up with a system that is not all that different from Orlando’s. If this last is true, it’s not a bad thing. Like the Magic, the Suns have shooters that can hit from all over. We move the ball better in fact. However, it also means that we are putting a lot on RoLo’s shoulders, because he needs to turn into a 12-rebound per game monster.
So is Turk going to be PF for you guys or what?
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
Then would you mind sending Dudley over to SA? :D
The people of the village fell silent, as the beast opened its mouth. And then the beast spoke, and said "LOL BRO".
San Antonio?
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sure
if you trade TD for turkalo
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I want Splitter
I’m sure his good because there can’t be any other reason why the Spurs are going gaga over him.
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agreed
splitter for turk…
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SA has the best freakin scouts in the NBA.
Even with low draft picks, they find diamonds in the rough. It’s incredible.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
We should hire at least one of their scouts
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Splitter was taken in the first round
and the only reason he went that low was the 3 yr wait before he game over from Europe. SA just had the balls to wait that long. But they didn’t find him when no one had.
I actually want to throw in a props to the Suns right here. Its the SUNS scouts who found Dragic and saw his future when no one else did. Its the Suns who slipped him right past the SA team you’re complimenting.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 12, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Well I'm not taking anything away from the Suns.
I’m just acknowledging that the Spurs have great scouts. Hell, SA drafted Dragic, didn’t they? We may have seen his talent but San Antonio drafted him before we could scoop him up.
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no no
Suns and Spurs had already agreed to trade the pick. Suns gave Dragic’s name to Spurs to call it.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 12, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
SA Drafted
SA only drafted him because Steve Kerr told them to. Kerr and Griff had their eyes on him, the time was coming in the second round and they feared a team ahead of their pick was going to get him so they got SA on the phone to jump ahead a couple slots. They then gave then a 2nd round draft pick which turned out to be Dajuan Blair doah! for their trouble
Surprised Lindsay wasn’t hired as the Phoenix GM, actually. He does a lot of the scouting evaluation.
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he prob wanted total control
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 12, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't even want him.
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It's looking more and more likely that we'll either have to trade J-Rich or Dudz =(
We obviously have too many players that can play the 2 or 3. J-Rich, Childress, Hill, Dudley, Turk, and Clark. There’s just not enough minutes to play that many players. Assuming Turkoglu is here to stay and wasn’t just acquired to trade for another player, we might have to move J-Rich or Jared Dudley so there can be enough minutes for the guys.
J-Rich seems to be the most likely since he’s an expiring next season, which would make him an attractive commodity. Like a lot of people have said, he could be traded for a big. I personally don’t want either to go but this clearly can’t work and a trade seems to be the best solution.
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Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
If I were to choose who to trade J-Rich or Dudz
I’d choose Dudz. Its a lot harder to find a J-Rich type of player than a Dudz player.
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But Dudley's very young, and J-Rich not so much
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by Justin Burning on Jul 12, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
J-Rich is like Kobe-Lite for me without the rape history
Dudz, as much as I like him and his vids, is a smaller version of Scalabrine. J-Rich and Dudz both have high basketball IQ both and can shoot the three. But J-Rich can fly and is the better rebounder. The only thing is he’s gonna worth twice as much as Dudz if he plays at the level he did in the playoffs.
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Don't trade Deadly -
He’s the catalyst for our defense – he plays with so much energy, he shames the first unit into playing just as hard, even when Dudley isn’t on the floor. Plus, he’s the best 3 point shooter in the NBA.
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great move!
this is one of the best scenarios that could have happened in Phoenix…especially without a GM!
Outside of rebounding, Hedo will be great at the 4. He will get us the 18-20 points that we lost with Amare, and is a smarter defender than Amare was. His lack of strength may be killer, but if the Suns mix in the zone D they should be able to hold their own on Defense.
These trades shoot the basketball IQ through the roof! Grant, Nash, and Hedo are some of the smartest players in the league. Combine that with the free flowing offense, and this team is gonna win 50+ again.
The best part is the stability that it gives us over the next few years. Barbosa, although I liked him as a person, simply did not fit with this team anymore. Childress is a GREAT back up, and a capable starter for the future.
If we can ride out this current team through the year, or to the trade deadline if a good 4 comes available, we can move JRich and have a very strong starting 5; with Childress at the 2, Hedo at the 3.
Childress’ contract is great for the price. Hedo’s is a little tough, but they’re in a better position financially than if they had signed Amare.
I love this move and can’t wait to see how it works out!!
Imagine if we had Joakim Noah & Anderson Varejao
to go with Josh Childress and Robin. Toss in Nash and we have our own long hair committee. So sad Lou won’t stick around with the ponytail.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Make a move for Walter Herrmann
I’m sure we can pick him up for the min, and he is a great player to watch, I’m always entertained watching him. Though we’re getting him for the hair.
ha!
yeah, that guy looked like Thor in a a Pistons jersey
by cha cha cha on Jul 12, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
He was actually a pretty good player
ARGENTINIAN AMUNDSON!
by beastattack3000 on Jul 12, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Robin Lopez has been added to Team USA.
Rondo, as well. Link here.
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What really caught my eye was the part of the article about Jason Kidd.
When did he retire?
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Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
He didn't retire from the NBA, just international basketball
did it some point last season i believe
But it's nice to see Jerry's still caught up in Phoenix basketball.
Unlike the world, he knows how good Robin can be. He only just finished his 2nd year.
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cool, nice link
I think I speak for all Suns fans when I say that I am PUMPED to see RoLo play a full season injury-free and confident and ANGRY AS HELL!
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Awesome. That will be good for Robin.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Jul 12, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Very interesting to say the least...
Should be exciting to see how Gentry forms his lineups… I personally would think the following would be our best lineup…
PG Nash
SG Richardson
SF Childress
PF Turkoglu
C Lopez
On offense that would be a very difficult lineup to match up with and would provide another exciting season to say the least… On the boards I think we could be passable if Childress and Richardson help out on the boards as they are both solid rebounders for their size…
I'm glad to see that a little excitement is back after losing Stat...
Childress was an excellent move…
Hopefully Hedo can integrate seemlessly…
One thing seems to be certain though… we are going to get heavy doses of the pick and roll and ALOT of 3’s…
Which is exactly what Steve Nash loves to run on offense =)
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Hawks Fan Here
I’ve been watchin this kid since he got drafted out of Stanford and weve got nothing but love for Childress in Atlanta. He’s an awesome defensive minded underrated slasher, who knows how to rebound, and he makes intelligent shots plus the guy can shoot the 3 too. He the type of guy that makes championship teams and someone every team needs… a hustle guy. With Steve Nash running the floor this guy is gonna Avg atleast 15 – 17 Pts per game easily if he get the minutes. Be happy Suns fans you guys got a hidden gem for basically nothing… I’m pissed off as a Hawks fan but happy for him getting a chance. Plus, THE AFRO IS EPIC
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jul 12, 2010 8:50 AM MDT reply actions
Just realized we're getting another Stanford guy to play with Robin.
Nice of you to drop by. We hope he’s as good as you say he is.
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starting lineup change
PG-Nash
SG-Jrich
SF-Turkoglu
PF-Frye
C-Lopez
PF problem PARTIALLY solved by getting Frye in there and moving Turk to the 3. This may not be a starting lineup but a potential lineup.
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I think we need Hill starting
He’s one of our better rebounders now. Frye+Turk=rebounding disaster.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 12, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
so we start Hill at PF
instead of Frye. I have less of a problem at PF now. I think the key is in starting Hedo at the 3.
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i think having Childress in the game with Turkoglu would mitigate the rebounding damage Hedo would cause a bit because Childress is a good rebounder for his position… Ideally we pick up another big rebounding body before the season starts OR I think Lawal could play much the same role as Lou played last year but I think it is too much of a risk to assume he can fill that role right off the bat…
by Superelkman on Jul 12, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
There needs be some beef in there.That may be the softest line up in the league.
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 12, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
As a fan of both the Suns and the Raptors..
I think the Hedo move was a bad one for this team. Hedo was terrible in TO and I just don’t think he can fit in with the Suns. Too often I’d see the ball stop when it got to him, and I don’t think that will fly in Phoenix. I really don’t think he can play the PF position well either, which makes me wonder about the rotation with Hill, Dudley and Hedo. Though it should be noted that he can run the offense as a ball carrier, it’d still be better to have Nash and Dragic handling it.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jul 12, 2010 9:08 AM MDT reply actions
yeah
I remember him handling the ball all the time at the point in Orlando. Pretty sure that won’t fly here as long as Nash is on the floor. How is Turk at spot-up-shooting?
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I believe it's already at the league office, so I think it is done.
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Dorothy
What I'm really worried about in all this is Clark
There’s such a log-jam at the 3. Yeah, we can move Clark to the 4, but he’s really a 3. I guess we could move Dudley (which I really don’t want to do), and then have Turkoglu play backup at the 3.
At some point, however, I want Clark to be a starter, and not four years from now when Turk’s contract is up. I guess maybe the Suns have lost faith in Clark and will move him, as well.
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eh, I've already given up on getting Clark good minutes.
Last year, even with Gentry as the coach, Clark got to see very little floor time. I think they’re waiting to develop him in practice and in the gym before letting him loose. However, I do see Clark getting a majority of garbage minutes this year, while Dudley, Hedo, and Hill will all be in the regular rotation.
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as has been evidenced in the past week
things change quickly. No one’s spot is logjammed for too long.
And the cream will rise to the top. I would love it if Clark figures it out and he and Chill become a devestating perimeter-defense duo in the next 1-2 yrs. It could happen. It’s all up to Clark.
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Very true
Hill could be traded or get injured at any time…he could also retire after this season. Clark will have his shot either this year or next to really put his mark on this team…But I think our management is saying they aren’t going to wait for him and depend on his progression…they want to compete now.
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i go to sleep wake up go to uni come back and find these crazy trades going down.
i just hope we can get a decent Centre cos when ROLO goes down we in trouble big time.
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you really need to click over and read it. So well done.
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As for Turkoglu:
My one concern? Rebounding has all but disappeared from the front line. Ah well, bring on the spreading of the floor!
God created the earth in 7 days. If Lou Amundson had been doing it, he would have completed it in 4 and then had sex with Eve for the remaining 3.
Rebounding
Is so “Laker.” Screw that riff raff.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
woooow… look at this video!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fxBR8jIP0k&feature=related
at 1:48 hedo blocks dragic in a fiba game!!!!
Steve's latest tweet about the end of an era was kind of saddening.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 12, 2010 10:42 AM MDT reply actions
Tell me about it.
I almost felt a tear coming up.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
its also the start of a NEW ERA of Suns Basketball
and steve nash will carry us there on his canadian shoulders!
twitter is blocked at my work
can you post the tweet?
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 12, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
“Today’s the end of an era. My close friend Leandrinho leaves the Suns making me the last player from 04-07. Great memories. Boa sorte irmao!”
Bloggin' 'bout AZ sports ... SB Nation Arizona
by Justin Burning on Jul 12, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Goran Dragic just posted on Facebook
“Sad to see LB go. I wish him the best. But I like the moves we are making.”
I'm a fan of his page
He posts from time to time. Nash posts a lot of stuff.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 12, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
wow???????
all i can say is, it’s no wonder i never bother with this place.
looks like i’m in the 3% minority.
yeah, childress is a good player. so?
the real deal on this trade is: amare stoudemire’s 4 and 5 year guarantee in exchange for warrick and turkoglu. which is crap.
this is the opposite of the miami way of building. trade your all-stars one by one, year after year. first joe, then shawn, now amare. (what, you expect me to include shaq?)
sarver is consistent however, gotta give him that. consistently dumb.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
The Miami way?
Yeah, if you can get 3 superstars who happen to be buddies and want to play together in your city to sign with your team, that works great! Of course, that happens…..well, never until now, and probably not again any time soon. Otherwise, the Miami way is the same as the New York way, and you end up overpaying for Stoudemire, then spending the rest of your cap space on guys like Raymond Felton and Timofey Mozgov. I like our chances better than those of the Knicks, and what the Heat pulled off was a freak occurrence.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 12, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marionette is still angry Shawn left.
God created the earth in 7 days. If Lou Amundson had been doing it, he would have completed it in 4 and then had sex with Eve for the remaining 3.
And Marionette - if you continue to bring that tone to such a lovely environment, then don't bother coming back.
God created the earth in 7 days. If Lou Amundson had been doing it, he would have completed it in 4 and then had sex with Eve for the remaining 3.
Ahhhh...He/she is okay...the profile indicates a Bulls fan...
After the Lebronathon, there are a lot of unhappy, Bulls, Cavs, Nets & Knicks fans…
The new nation of Hateration…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Gentry will have his hands full finding the right combinations
It’s great that we have so many legitimate players who are deserving of minutes, but we’ve also got some redundant skill sets, and Lopez is our only force down low. Chemistry will be a concern. I’m not talking about guys going out to dinner together, but how will these pieces fit together on the floor? Plugging Hedo into the starting PF position won’t work. He’s a completely different player from Amare. Warrick is the only true PF on our roster, and he’s undersized (and just generally not very good).
As currently constructed, this team has serious problems with low post defense and rebounding. Lopez is critical to our hopes, and he hasn’t shown he can stay healthy. We have a lot of good players, but I don’t think this mix is right. Another big trade on the way?
no he won't... that's the beauty of the 2 unit system
just like last year.. 10 players get decent minutes, the other 3 fill in as needed
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jul 12, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
So, we do different.
I’ve been thinking about this, and I might turn it into a post, if Alex doesn’t first.
Who has won the Title the last 3 years? LA and Boston. Look at their PF’s – Garnett and Gasol. They are not the traditional power forward, but are the new prototype. Gentry found a new way to play Frye last year – maybe he’ll find a new way to use Hedo this year. We will probably suck in pre-season, but give them a few games, and it could be something new and exciting.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Deja Vu
Is it me, or is the banter here kind of similar to the gloom and doom we had going last summer? And that was when we HAD Amar’e! We still have Nash, JRich, Hill and Lopez as starters, with Jdud, Frye, Goran, Warrick and Childress coming off the bench. I’ll take that 9 any day, and that’s a hell of a 2nd unit. Do we know what’s happening with Lou yet?
Now yes, of course we need a PF. But even without a trade, we have options…whether it’s Hedo, Warrick or Clark…or a PTBNL remains to be seen. Do we need some low post defense and rebounding…yes. But lot of folks didn’t think we had that going into last year, and things kind of worked out ok.
So let’s see how things play out in the coming weeks. Could there be another trade coming…perhaps. But then, who would we part with. I think I’d like the chance to see how things develop with these pieces. And what hasn’t changed is there’s still not an Amar’e replacement out there. We’ve known that all along.
Turkoglu can definately produce
He can put up Amare like numbers every once in a while, with Nash I’d expect him to score more than he did in Toronto at least… I think this turkoglu deal saved the Suns hardcore. I for one am very happy that we got someone like Hedo, I was afraid this season would be dreadfully boring but now seeing all the pieces fit together with Warrik Turkoglu and maybe Childress I’m assuming, I can tell the season will be exciting and unpredictable….Suns may even have more pieces now than we did with Amare…I dont like earl clarke tho lets get rid of that lazy ass.
by DragicTurkaglu on Jul 12, 2010 12:06 PM MDT reply actions
I think we could have gotten more out of Toronto
They were desperate to trade Hedo. We should have gotten a first rounder at least.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 12, 2010 12:26 PM MDT reply actions
I agree
That 1st round pick is gonna be like top 5 now that Bosh left their team
sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!
you guys make it sound like there's a menu
and Sarver just forgot to look at the ‘free draft picks’ page
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Hedo
I became a fan of Turkoglu a long time ago when he ended up on all my fantasy teams and ended up being one of my best players, him coming to the Suns is pretty much the best news I’ve heard all year…I know he will do great with the team we have now, even though he seemed to thrive next to Dwight Howard, I believe we will be seeing Nash’s assist count get even better or at least stay the same..
To be honest I cant think of much bad things to say about this deal for example Hedo just got back from Toronto which gives him something to talk about with Nash, he packed the shit out of Dragic back in a Euro league game, and now dragic gets to play with this beast and learn from him, i can only hope we give Hedo over 30 mins a game, we gotta maximize his potential =]
You guys do realise what this trade means don't you?
We now have the best candadian, Slovenian, and Turkish NBA players all on one team. Talk about a big 3
by DaveJD on Jul 12, 2010 1:15 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I keep reading that Hedo is a good ball handler (bear in mind Im still trying to learn about him)
and I am wondering if that means that he will take away some of Goran’s minutes?
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Jul 12, 2010 2:01 PM MDT reply actions
he won't take away Goran's minutes
but he might take some ball handling while the 2 of them are on the floor together
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Phew!
Well that’s alright. I was worried that Goran would be losing minutes just when he’s really improved! But I suppose it’s good that some pressure would be taken off of him at times..
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Jul 12, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Not sure about Hedo
Mainly because I remember reading about him this past year. The largest one that jumps to mind is when he sat out of a Raptors game because he was sick and then was seen later that night out at clubs. It just doesn’t seem to show a whole lot of class and for a team that keeps talking about chemistry, it doesn’t make me feel comfortable.
I am hoping for the best for Hedo, both on the court and off, but I am still not happy we have him on our team right now.
dude
if you were on the Raptors, you’d wanna be out partying instead too lol
be happy bert, i think hedo will enjoy his teammates more than he did in Toronto
making him less likely to miss a game for some club action..
by DragicTurkaglu on Jul 12, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
J CHill's Stats Last Year in Greece:
(sorry about the formatting – for readable stats, go to the website)
Summary
G MIN PTS 2FGP 3FGP FT RO RD RT AS PF BS ST TO
31 861 490 165-247 25-77 85-122 59 109 168 45 48 20 28 2
AVERAGE
31 27.8 15.8 66.8% 32.5% 69.7% 1.9 3.5 5.4 1.5 1.5 0.6 0.9 0.1
I got this from:
http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=Greece&PlayerID=31080&Stats=2010
They have his stats from the last 2 seasons

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