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2011 Suns vs 2009 Orlando Magic

I was struggling to get on board with the recent Turkoglu addition (like everyone else, I love Childress) so I went back and tried to watch videos of him on Orlando.  After all, 2 years ago he was the 2nd best player on a finals team.  Never been able to say that about Amare (not entirely his fault,  but still).

Watching the Magic play made me think- are the Suns just essentially a better version of a 2009 Finals team?

Star-divide

I decided to break it down, position by position, trying to be not only fair, but somewhat pessimistic.

Center: Dwight Howard vs Robin Lopez

Obviously the worst match-up for the Suns.  Dwight is a superstar and Fropez is a third-year player.  That's not the point though - the point is that the Suns have an athletic, mobile defensive center to man the middle.  That's what makes the comparison work - not that Lopez is as good as Howard, but plays a similar style. 

Lopez C+, Howard A+

Power Forward: Channing Frye vs. Rashard Lewis

This is where veer off a bit - I know Coro is reporting that Turkoglu will probably start at the PF.  But with Hill only set to play 20 minutes a game, I'm betting that crunch-time, and most of the game, Turkoglu will play some SF. So I'm slotting Frye in here, because while Rashard Lewis gets paid more(understatement), he gave the magic the same think Frye gives the Suns - an skinny 4 whose length gives other 4s trouble on D, and whose shooting ability causes problems.  After looking at Lewis production in the playoffs, I'm calling this basically a wash.  That's right, I said it.

Frye C+, Lewis B-

Small Forward: Hedo Turkoglu vs Hedo Turkoglu

I think I'm gonna call this even.

Shooting Guard: Jason Richardson vs Courtney Lee

This is where the Suns start really picking it up.  Lee's a nice player, but Richardson is an established baller, and with his improved touches coming next year, a borderline all-star.  Big player, physical (if not great) defender, great rebounder - hell, I'd say Richardson is even better than Vince, who the Magic swapped Lee for last year.  

Richardson B, Lee C

Point Guard: Steve Nash vs Jameer Nelson

Again, this is a huge upgrade.  Nelson is a good player, a borderline all star.  Nash is a hall-of-famer, warrior and borderline superstar.  

Nash A, Nelson B.  

At this point, it's a wash, according to my completely arbitrary, last minute grading system.  But I think the Suns could do even better - Richardson's in contract year, Lopez could keep improving (I don't know why he wouldn't).  On top of that, there's the bench.

Bench Guards/ Wings: Goran Dragic, Josh Childress, Jared Dudley vs Rafer Alston, JJ Reddick and Michael Pietrus

AHAHAHAHA. This is where I can no longer be unbiased. Dudley and Redick are both skilled shooters and rugged defenders - Reddick's a better shooter, but Dudley is a much better defender (I thought he did the best job on Kobe in the WCF).  Josh Childress is the exact player as Michael Pietrus - athletic defender and decent shooter.  But Goran Dragic is one of the most exciting, up and coming players in the NBA, and if the Suns bench wasn't so stacked, he'd easily be a candidate for Sixth Man of the Year.  Rafer Alston is Rafer Alston.  If the Magic could have slotted Dragic in for an injured Nelson, or brought him off the bench when their offense was dragging, they might have beat the Lakers

Advantage, Suns.

Bench Bigs: Grant Hill and Hakim Warrick vs Marcin Gortat.

Gortat did and admirable job filling in for Howard, and obviously I'm stretching to put Hill here (although I do think he'll play more 4 this year), and Warrick is undersized.  But both Hill and Warrick would start for multiple teams, and fit the Suns perfectly.  Through in the Suns bargain big guy (Kurt Thomas) and this is easily a wash, at least.

Slight Advantage, Suns.

What are you left with? A starting 5 every bit as good as the Magic's, with a massively better bench.  Factor in the PGs matter more than ever, and I feel very good about the Suns next year.  Very good.

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Well thought out.

I can’t believe the Suns pulled off something to keep them (possibly) in contention for next year. I like Hedo, but his massively disappointing season last year makes me wary. He’s not a very fast player, not the most athletic, but can hit big shots and is a very talented basketball player. We’ll see how he fits with this Suns squad.

As for Childress, I could not be more excited about this. I’ve wanted Childress on the Suns ever since the last season he played with the Hawks. I noticed him at first for his (awesome) ‘fro, but then realized that he’s actually a very, very great option to bring off the bench. Also, keep in mind that we still have one of the best benches in the NBA, and things are shaping up quite nicely.

We’ll see if it works, or if it’s a complete bust…but it’s a step in the right direction.

Bright Side of the Sun, for all things Phoenix Suns. Twitter: @iamtrevorpaxton

by Trevor Paxton on Jul 12, 2010 1:00 AM MST reply actions  

Hey man

Don’t worry about Hedo. Toronto just sucked last year, Hedo’s a solid player and will do very well for the Suns, I promise you wont be dissapointed. I’ve watched his career since he’s played for the Kings, he’s a great role player. Childress I would be more weary about, but I’m excited too to see how he does. The reason Childress worries me is because playing in Greece is alot different then the NBA. I feel the Suns have made moves now to make me think this is just as good squad if not BETTER then last year.

by jay16 on Jul 12, 2010 4:02 AM MST reply actions  

Excellent post.

I’m just as excited as anybody else is about the possibilities. If we can add Kurt Thomas or maybe Juwan Howard as a backup big man with veteran leadership and experience, I think our team is definitely in contention. Assuming we add Kurt or Juwan, our roster could put us as one of the top 7 teams in the NBA. We’re definitely still contenders but the West will be even more difficult this upcoming season.

The Thunder are only getting better, the Blazers will hopefully be healthy and they could be legitimate contenders when healthy, the Spurs, Mavs, and Lakers are still themselves, the Rockets will have Yao back, Denver will be back with George Karl to lead the way, and the Grizzles and Clippers might make a splash this season. The only West playoff team that I think took a small dive is the Utah Jazz. But that’s just me.

I’m looking forward to next season! October can’t come soon enough.

In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!

by NashMV3 on Jul 12, 2010 4:46 AM MST reply actions  

Juwan Howard?

I’m on board with that. Howard is pretty much the best guy in the league at giving up the intentional foul, and that’s really all we’d need – someone big to come clobber a few people.

by jc79 on Jul 12, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I like the optimism

However, I think this is true on only one side of the ball. The 2009 Magic were one of the top 5 best defensive teams in the league. Maybe if the Suns became a top 10 defensive team I could see this as being true.

by Jaguarundi on Jul 12, 2010 7:23 AM MST reply actions  

And they got run off the floor by the Lakers.

Even if everything works out, the Suns still don’t get past the Lakers. In fact, they’re probably a worse matchup than the Magic were in 2009 because they had a legit big in Howard and Bynum was hurt that year.

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by SoulHonky on Jul 12, 2010 7:29 AM MST up reply actions  

They also didn’t have a legit PG either, but I still see your point. In less Lopez really breaks-out next year than we won’t have much of a shot against LA.

by Beavis 25 on Jul 12, 2010 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Not saying it always works out lol…look at Boston, their defense looked unstoppable until they got beat. But their team defense is what got them there

by Jaguarundi on Jul 12, 2010 7:46 AM MST reply actions  

I was agreeing with you. (Sorry if it seemed otherwise)

The Magic played great defense, which doesn’t seem possible for the Suns without an anchor like Howard in the middle. Without great defense and legit post presences, the Suns are still looking up at the Lakers. (And the 2009 Magic also benefitted from KG being hurt.)

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by SoulHonky on Jul 12, 2010 8:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Childress is reportedly a great defender.

Frye will be better this year – he just started to get it at the end of last season. We have some promise with Clark and Lawal – (summer league notwithstanding, Clark will play well this year – probably better late in the season). Turk is unconventional, but has active hands and can get some blocks and steals. I think the big reason this works is Gentry – he’s the master alchemist.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 12, 2010 8:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Talk about false hope...

2 completely different team styles.

Orlando = based on defense
Pheonix = based on offense

by ap3604 on Jul 12, 2010 1:25 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

That's just Dwight by himself

look at the rest of the players – Rashard, Hedo, & Jameer aren’t exactly defensive mainstays. Lee is a defender, but as I recall he played bench minutes in a starting role and Pietrus took the lion’s share of minutes.

by jc79 on Jul 12, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Redick

Since when is J.J. Redick a rugged defender?

by 8472species on Jul 12, 2010 8:30 PM MST reply actions  

He’s not a rugged defender, but he did improve his defense enough to not be a liability. He can hold his own now against people of his position. He’s a decent defender and a great shooter. Because of that he’s been a good bench player for the Magic the past two seasons.

by Beavis 25 on Jul 12, 2010 11:31 PM MST up reply actions  

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