The Amare Stoudemire Phoenix Suns Report Card
Amare Stoudemire aka STAT aka Sun Tzu aka @AmareIsReal aka a certain... I don't know what. No matter what you know the former Suns big man as, chances are his name alone provokes some sort of emotional reaction. Loved by some, hated by others and discussed by all, Amare was always an enigma to Suns fans. We loved him for his offensive abilities and hated him for his lack of defense. We loved him for being a product of the Suns, born and raised (at least from an NBA player standpoint) right here in the desert and hated him for always wanting more. Some of us are deeply saddened to see him move on to greener (as in 'Benjamins') pastures and others are hoping the door hit him in the ass on the way out. No matter where you land on the Amare love/hate spectrum, the big man is now in New York and this is his Phoenix Suns report card.
When Amare Stoudemire came into the league, he was nothing more than an array of beautiful dunks and it was awesome. (Quick side note: go back and watch his first playoff series against the Spurs when he was playing alongside Stephon Marbury. You forget just how explosive this dude really was.) Now back to what I was saying. When he went down after getting the dreaded microfracture knee surgery, many questioned how a player who depended solely on his amazing athletic ability could rebound from a surgery that historically had completely destroyed the athletic ability of every player who had gone through it. Amare's answer: shoot jump shots every day while he was unable to do anything else and come back with one of the best midrange games of any big man in the league. Over the course of his career here in the valley, Amare went from having one offensive weapon to being one of the best scorers (in terms of how easy it is for him to score) in the NBA.
Since 2004, we have had the EXTREME pleasure of watching Amare Stoudemire run the pick and roll with 2-time MVP Steve Nash. Not only was it beautiful, but effective, as the Suns advanced to at least the second round in every one of those seasons except for the year of Shaq (granted, one of those seasons, Amare was on the bench after the microfracture surgery mentioned above, but still). But again, we all loved his offensive game; it was his game on the other side of the ball that left us wanting more.
Amare showed flashes of defensive ability and even brilliance throughout his years with the Suns, but they always turned out to be just that... flashes. He'd rack up 7 blocks in one game only to have his man drop 40 the next. He'd pull down 20 boards one game only to respond with 3 the next. For all of Amare's offensive brilliance, his defense was inconsistent and many times just bad (mostly during games in which he wasn't being as involved in the offense as he'd like to be). When it came to Amare, this is where the argument would begin.
Being a fan of Amare, I have long argued that you can't just replace that kind of offensive brilliance. That instead of giving him away and trying to replace his offense and improving on defense, a team should try and shore up the other half of the front line with a defensive player that would allow Amare the freedom he needs on offense. That's what the Suns tried with Shaq (unfortunately having the Big Ego in the middle made it impossible for Amare to breathe) and what they lucked into when Robin broke a glass door and suddenly became one of the better centers in the West last season. So what happens when Amare is paired with a player like Robin? He blows up and destroys the league for 3 solid months, earning a spot as a 2nd team All-NBA player even though he was thought by many to be lucky to get into the All-Star game at the break!
Others argued that the price was too steep for a player whose main focus was on the offensive end of the court. They demanded that Amare become a defensive presence and when he failed to live up to their expectations, they pushed for the Suns to get rid of him. (Another quick side note: I did openly root for the Suns to get rid of Amare once and that was when the offer was on the table to send him to Minnesota for KG. This would have left a core of KG (3 seasons before he broke down), Marion (one of my personal favorite Suns players of all time), and Nash.) Back on topic. Now, Amare is gone and we'll see just how much of his offensive game is missed.
Too often in sports we, as fans, become overly critical of those athletes we watch and fail to fully appreciate what we have in front of us. When Marion was here and the Suns were considered to be one of the top 3 teams (if not the top team) every year we - I'm using a collective 'we' here even though I definitely didn't want Marion to go - clamored for a team that could play "traditional" basketball just because we had gotten a few unlucky breaks and failed to advance to the Finals. The Suns shipped Marion out and brought in the Big Ego. It took the Suns organization 2 years to respond from that disaster. For 7 of the past 8 seasons we have had the pleasure of watching a young raw dude straight out of high school develop into one of the top scorers in the league. We've watched him smash on Kandi man's head, embarrass Tolliver and cause Richard Jefferson to have a VERY bad day. Say what you want about him, but the power and fury of Amare was fun to watch and be a part of.
For the 7 seasons (and the 3 games he played in during the season of microfracture rehab), I am giving Amare Stoudemire an A. He made 5 All-Star teams, made the All-NBA second team 3 times and first team once (which he did along with Steve Nash, becoming the first PHX duo to do so) and he helped lead the Suns to the Conference Finals (meaning they were 1 of the last 4 teams standing for you non-math majors out there) in 2 of his last 4 Playoff appearances. While I did hold out hope that his defense would improve and he'd become an All-Defensive type player, there was never a single game that I wasn't on the edge of my seat just waiting for Amare to do something that would give me an excuse to be on YouTube for hours the following day. Amare Stoudemire may not be missed by all (especially if the Suns are successful this season without him), but he will most definitely be missed by me and THAT is what makes being a fan of one of the NBA's biggest enigmas is all about.
Amare Stoudemire's Phoenix Suns grade: A
One other quick note: I apologize if this comes off a little disjointed, the original draft was roughly the size of a small novel and I had to cut it down. Hopefully the sentiment came through and if it didn't, here's an Amare montage that I like.
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Obv he was a monster this last season
Only PF that could match his importance is Pau Gasol…
by ap3604 on Jul 12, 2010 2:05 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
A.
I’m sure there will be a fair bit of bashing here, but STAT did everything he was capable of – and I think, more. He went through two career ending injuries that didn’t end his career. He matured every year, improved something every year, and when healthy, was virtually unstoppable.
He is at what would be his peak for most players – he had just, this year, gotten to the point where he didn’t get ticky-tack fouls called on him – he had a run of technical fauls in the early part of the season, and fixed that – he is poised, barring injury, to dominate for the next few years. His defense is just starting to improve – if he keeps at it, he will be great there, too.
However, I agree that it was too risky to pay him for 5 years, guaranteed, and I think the Suns made the right move, as did Amar’e. I enjoyed him, and I will miss him. If he stays healthy, he will go down as one of the great PF’s ever.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Excellent recap haremoor...
I too agree 5 years was too risky, but if he stays healthly at least 4 out of those years, he will have to be considered one of the top 10-15 PFs of all-time.
Now let’s move on to the next phase of the Suns existence!
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
I thought of you when I wrote that, Sun God.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
if he stays healthy for the first 4 years
then the he would have had a max deal with the Suns…
even he didn’t believe in his own long-term health
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nother quick side note, I did openly root for the Suns to get rid of Amare once and that was when the offer was on the table to send him to Minnesota for KG. This would have left a core of KG (3 seasons before he broke down), Marion (one of my personal favorite Suns players of all time), and Nash – back on topic. Now, Amare is gone and we’ll see just how much of his offensive game is missed.
That is the only time I was actually pushing for Amar’e to be traded. The other time was just last year’s deadline, but that was only because I thought he was really leaving and that we had no choice, not because I wanted him gone.
I wish Amar’e would have stayed. Also, I think his career would’ve been much better if he never hurt those knees. He would have probably averaged 25+ppg every season because of his freakish athleticism.
I’ll give him an A-.
We also had the chance to trade Marion for KG..
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 12, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Not really, TWolves wanted Amare and we wanted to give up Marion. That’s where the 2 sides didn’t agree and talks broke down. If Suns had given in and offered Amare, KG would’ve been a Sun and the Suns may have won a title given that KG hadn’t broke down yet and offered nearly as much offensively and a whole lot more on D.
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thats not how I remember it
a national reporter said that it was down to Marion’s approval to go to Boston.
marion to boston, KG to Phx, and plethora to minny. Ultimately, they just took Phx out of it when Marion said he wouldn’t sign an extension with Boston, despite them offering him the max.
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Yes, that was one scenario that came to the table only after PHX and MINN couldn’t get a deal done directly which was caused by the fact that they disagreed to terms as to what the Suns should give up for KG. Had the Suns offered Amare it would have been signed and done Amare to MINN and KG to PHX.
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I Give a B
Only because i think a A = Ring.
so i think it was a B.. a great great player but without a Ring and little to much injuries
So LeBron James would get a B
reasoning doesn’t make sense…he was a 5 time all star and rookie of the year in 8 seasons here…he deserves an A anything less is in spite because he left
Give him his props
Ring, or no ring, the man played his heart out here. We watched him grow up before our eyes right out of high school. Without him we don’t play in those WCF’s and in fact if he wasn’t here, I wonder if Nash would have even come this way. He gets an A regardless. So you’re gonna give LBJ a B because he doesn’t have a ring…or Barkley, or KJ. Ring needs a full team. Would you have given Jordan a B if Pippin doesn’t go to Chicago? Stat the play the player gets an A for what he did on the court. With some luck (and we all know what I’m referring to) he probably would have 2 rings right now.
Yep
Im sorry but thats my opinion. Btw To me lebron is a B as well, untill he get a ring. not asking anybody to agree, just sayng how are my Standards on this A, B, C….If had a A- on the poll i would give it, but it dont so to me its a B.
Looks like im not alone on that, 48% agree with the B.
I will truly miss watching
Stat play every night, and I totally agree that we were spoiled, and a bit too critical of him. Instead of appreciating what he DID bring to the table, we hammered his faults…Looking back at this objectively, in the 40 plus years of the Suns franchise he is the 2nd best big man in the team’s history. Only Charles Barkley had more of an impact than Amare, he made more All Star and All NBA teams than Chuck, Chambers, Nance, AA, Hawk, on and on..he also won more playoff games than any of those guys, he came back from not 1, but 2 career threatening injuries, and represented this franchise well, even when he coulda ripped them during trade talks, 1st extension offer (2yrs, $24mil!?), etc. Finally, he was worth the price of admission, every night you thought you might miss something special. Thanks Stat, for the memories, and I look forward to being in attendance the night the Suns put you up there next to Chuck, Thunder, KJ, and the rest of the ring of honor!
by jma67 on Jul 12, 2010 2:23 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
He's an absolute beast and an "A"
I’ll miss STAT dunk-terrorizing opposing bigs (Tolliver, Swift, God bless you…). Good luck Amare, but we have a new course to chart without you…!
GO SUNS!!!!
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
I'm going to give him an Amare minus.
As if the minus really makes a diff.
There isn't a single acceptable situation for the question "Is this game almost over yet?" Not one.
Wow, looking at those highlights,
#32 Amar’e was even more explosive than #1 Amar’e. I miss the #32 Amar’e more than #1. I bet if he never hurt those knees he would’ve had a 27+ppg season like we saw him average this year after the break and 08 when we got Shaq. Teams just couldn’t guard him because he was so freakishly athletic. After the injuries he was only pretty athletic for a big man, but no longer freakishly athletic.
The injury made him develop a jumper though
I wonder if he would have gotten that sweet stroke if he had never gotten injured.
Still….#32 was one of the most athletic players to ever play in the NBA.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 12, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he would have by working on it over the summer, only it would have taken him longer to get it. Probably 2 seasons instead of 1. Amar’e was always willing to work and get better on his offense.
I’d still take #32 over #1.
Me too
During that 05 playoffs against the Spurs his jumper was coming around.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 12, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Well aside from Josh Smith there is no more athletic PF....
So he is still pretty athletic…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
But not freakishly athletic. In fact I think #32 Amar’e was the most athletic big-man ever in all NBA History. People just forget that because it was 6 years ago. They just need to see the highlights to remind them.
Not sure, I'd have to go back aways...Dwight Howard is freakishly athletic for a big, though...
I’d have to go back and dissect some tape. I do know that very few people in NBA history have dunked as hard….
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
He did, but not much. Still, that little bit makes a difference. He used to get a bit higher in the air and throw it down just a litter harder all the time on every dunk.
That's what I noticed...
His dunk ferocity seems to have decreased just a bit…Maybe it’s just wisdom as he gets older…?
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
No, it’s athleticism. Amar’e loves dunking.
After the injuries he was still pretty darn good when at full shape, but never the same as #32.
Pretty impressive that you can come back from an injury like that..
And still be the second most athletic player at your position in the NBA…Now that is freakish hops…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Yup, it just goes to prove how athletic he used to be pre-injury.
I’m not sure if we will ever see another athletic guy like #32 Amar’e. Well, we actually probably will, but it won’t be for a while.
I think Marion was quicker off his feet..
But in no ways could outjump STAT…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Perhaps he was in some ways
But he had the body of a SG. I was always mystified that Marion never learned to put the ball on the floor. I mean really, did he ever dribble?
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
Marion's athleticism confused me
He did things that just didn’t make SENSE. I guess that’s why they call him The Matrix.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 12, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Wilt Chamberlain and David Robinson are up there in terms of "most athletic big men EVER"
by beastattack3000 on Jul 12, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Eh...I dunno about that. Wilt was an all-around amazing athlete. He was a track star!
And Robinson ran like a freaking gazelle.
No matter. Amare was one of the most athletic players ever.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 12, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions
A lot of those highlights were from 04-05. Boy, was that a highlight real type season or what? That was still the most funnest team to watch because they were just so athletic and talented offensively. They were very durable too. Plus, it was the first season, so everybody loved it. Back then nobody minded that they didn’t play defense because nobody was sure that we couldn’t win a Championship then.
Definitely the funnest team to watch.
A midget lineup totally destroying everything in it’s path (except the Spurs). It was a blast.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
As much as I would like to think that was the difference,
we were owned by SA in the regular season as well. They just had our number. No coach is better at exploiting weaknesses than Pops, and no coach is as stubborn about making changes than D’Antoni.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
The series against LA
Was really a perfect microcosm of his entire tenure here.
He was totally outplayed in games 1 & 2, but then was an absolute demon in game 3, destroying the Lakers for 44 points.
He made bizarre comments to the press about Odom and Gasol, presumably lighting a fire in the Lakers’ locker room.
After his poor showing in the first two games, he touted himself to the press for “what he brings to the table.”
After his outburst in game 3, he was embarrassingly outhustled to a loose ball by Jordan Farmar (he got bailed out by a BS call on the play).
There is probably no way the Suns would have pushed the series to 6 games without Amare, but still when the team needed something more from him, he was mostly a non-factor in game 6, getting four rebounds in an elimination game.
All of this in six games. I can’t find a way to boil down his tenure here into a single grade. He was an A+ player, but he also bore A+ expectations, and rightfully so.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
I kinda disagree w/ that, when
you look at what every other PF did during last season’s playoffs against LA..Jeff Green, Carlos Boozer, and, for the most part, KG, were humiliated against LA’s size..I do agree he had an uneven series, and his comments were outta left field (I will always believe his mom’s arrest the day before Game 1 REALLY affected him,) Tim Duncan in his prime woulda struggled dealing w/ all that length on LA’s front line..
Green, Boozer and KG at this point in his career
All those guys combined don’t match up the sheer ability of Amare. Matchups have nothing to do with hustle and energy, and Amare just didn’t show either. That’s only my observation, of course.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
Game 6, he was double teamed by Gasol and Bynum/Odom, with Kobe giving weak-side help on him, too.
And he still got 29 points.
And Frye got 13 rebounds because of the triple team.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Duly noted
Non-factor may have been to strong a word.
I really wasn’t referring to his scoring, however. I was trying to emphasize that in game 6, as well as throughout the majority of his career, he really didn’t do things other than score. His scoring was something to behold, but there weren’t many intangibles with him.
I will miss Stoudemire, don’t get me wrong. But I won’t miss trying to figure out his inconsistencies or making excuses for him, e.g. “Well it’s hard to box out your man when you’re playing a zone defense.”
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
He did what he was taught
He came here out of high school into D’Antoni’s system. And what was preached was all about offense. Defense was something that slowed the game down and was rarely practiced when D’Antoni was here. And defense does have 2 components…individual and team. If guards are constantly getting beat by their man, and a big has to always step in to help…meaning he’s leaving his man…then where’s the real problem lie…with the big, or with the guard who’s always getting beat? Not calling anyone out, but we had team defense issues and team rebounding issues…mostly as a result of how the team was built and coached. I think many always wanted him to be something else. When he was dunking on people, some said…well but he can’t make a jump shot. Well then after he hurts the knee, he comes back with a deadly jump shot…and then people want him to rebound and play better d. Well the other part of playing d is staying out of foul trouble. Whether on his own, or because of the coach, I wonder if there was a reluctance to play real “in your face” defense out of fear of getting in foul trouble and having to sit down (anyone remember game 3 of the ‘07 series against the Spurs). If we want to call out Suns players for not playing consistent defense, that list includes more than just Amar’e.
The last point I want to make is that the Lakers, as much as we might want to hate them…are good. They’re long. And with Gasol, Bynum and Odom often down low, it made things crowded for Amar’e. What we needed was A: a healthy Lopez and B: Frye, et al to hit their 3’s. We had neither and they could just sag on Amar’e. All the effort in the world can’t beat a double/triple team. We’ll miss you Stat, and most of us will root you on along with D’Antoni up in the Big Apple.
Absolutely agree
That it was the entire team defense that sucked under D’Antoni. However, this is exactly the kind of stuff that I won’t miss when it comes to STAT: coming up with reasons and explanations for his shortcomings.
The man knew how to play defense, as watdogg pointed out, he would show it occasionally. Defense is more about effort than anything else, and more often than not the effort was lacking.
Regarding his play against the Lakers, yes I’ve heard that their frontline is long and hard to play against. But if Amare had averaged 10ppg during the series coupled with consistent effort, I wouldn’t be criticizing him.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
Our defense under D'Antoni was a lot better then advertised
Heck…going by points per 100 possessions, Gentry’s teams are worse then Mike’s Suns teams.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 13, 2010 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions
A
Definitely one of my favorite Suns players.
Bitter-sweet ending to his era.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
DMX!!! Love the song. Hopefully Amar'e doesn't go down a road like his.
Wish you the best Amar’e. You’re still a Sun in our hearts. I still consider him a Sun for now until the season starts =(
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Despite all the criticism he warranted,
If Tom Chambers is in the Ring of Honor…
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
I wonder if he would've been a bigger beast if he didn't suffer the knee injury and was taught defense when he entered the league.
Imagine the possibilities if he had a consistent effort on the boards and if he had learned to play good defense when he first came in the league.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Or if he had picked it up sooner.
Only 2 years of high school ball before playing in the NBA. Pretty amazing.
"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen
Sorry but I give him a B
and the reason is that he never maximized his own potential. I cringed every time I read a quote from him that he was better in one area or another than he really was. Same way I cringe when young Earl Clark does it today.
Still though, he was an amazing player. and I will feel sorry for him when he doesn’t do as well without Nash as we all hope he will, if only for his sake as a player.
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Well, if Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony become Knicks, you may not have to feel sorry for him.
However, the sad thing is that he matured every year – and still says stuff like that. I wonder if his knees will last long enough for him to truly mature.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
Even without these guys STAT is too good of a player not to succeed..
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
He may never win a championship, but he will still put up great numbers...
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
I give him an A
I think its funny when you watch the draft from the year he came out they said he was the second coming of Ben Wallace…hahah couldn’t be more wrong
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 12, 2010 4:17 PM MDT reply actions
Barkley comparison
Why would I compare Amare Stoudemire and Charles Barkley? Because besides that they shared the same position here, Stoudemire said when the Suns drafted him that he might be the new Charles Barkley, which invited fans to suppose he could match Barkley’s importance to the Suns. Sorry, Stouremire—you failed completely.
Bullshit he failed amare is a top 10-15 player in the league
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 12, 2010 6:20 PM MDT reply actions
The dunks at 0:47, 1:27, and 3:06,
they are classic.
I forgot how much of an absolute freak Amare used to be.
Pre-surgery Amare… might as well just give up against him.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
The departure of Amare reminds of post Payton-Kemp of Seattle…hope Turkoglu plays better than Vin Baker….
and hope that Amare doesn’t discover twinkies and cocaine like Kemp did!
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