The Basketball World Is So Confused About Turkoglu And Childress

When did Childress say he was returning from Greece?

Let them talk like they did last year..
The only question is Hedo’s motivation and if he let go 15M, I think he proof he want to win and be in a good situation with great teamates.. He was not last year.
I still believe it’s a good for both teams and for the player.

     I would caution everyone to not believe everything you read. Who would have thought that a team could sign an unknown 6’11" Center who had only made 20 3’s in his career, put him on a team that didn’t make the playoffs, camp him on the 3 point line to drain 174 3’s at a 44% clip, and make the WCF?
     Gentry has something in mind for this team – he approved these trades. He’s earned our trust. I’m excited to see what happens.

(1) Turkoglu, Childress, and Warrick are replacing Amar’e Stoudemire and this is bad. Fans get upset that “Sarver let Amar’e walk.” They think “With all of the money we’re paying these new guys, we could have just paid Amar’e.” However, I don’t think Amar’e wanted to come back. The Suns were losing Stoudemire regardless.

(2) The Suns got Turkoglu, Childress, and Warrick for a second-round pick and Leandro Barbosa. That’s a pretty damn good haul. Turkoglu’s not on a good contract, but he’s also not on a crippling one, either.

He was great for Orlando two ywars ago and he is a proven player as Alex says…still he’s really expensive, especially in the last years of his long contract. And we still need a proven PF down the road…we’ll see how we make things work.

As for Childress, I love the signing. He’s a great player and his contract is nothing but a steal. I’m just perplexed by the sudden overload in the wing position. We didn’t sign Childress to play 20 mins right? But how can he get much more with Hill, Dudley, and J-Rich? He is J-Rich’s backup…on paper at least. Maybe we got him also thinking that this might be Hill’s last year and Childress will become the starting SF…We’ll see but I’m really happy we signed him, he’s a great addition.

Just remember the Fakers serie and how Amare was struggling..
Can’t be worst. I’m sure Hedo will be more efficient and clutch.

Hedo is not a bad player either, I just feel that we probably should have addressed a major concern and that is a big behind Robin Lopez. Until Rolo proves that he can stay healthy, I am not sure that we should have one other center on our roster in PF/C Channing Frye.

I know we got Hedo cheap, but Tyson Chandler was obviously available for cheap as well and he only has one year on his contract plus a player option in 2011/2012. He would have gave us some much need post defense, rebounding and shot blocking off the bench.

I know this is highly unlikely, but to get some decent rebounding, what if that beast Dwayne Collins starts at PF? In light of Turk’s skills, it makes so much more sense to bring him off the bench.

I am not sure why we would not have traded for Al Jefferson instead of Hedo? We needed a power forward more than a guard-forward. We are loaded at guard position. What does this mean for Earl Clark? Also the contracts for Hedo and Al are comparable. We need size to rebound. Al Jefferson, when healthy can average double figures in rebounding, Hedo is lucky to average 5 rebounds a game. You watch the Suns are going to be out rebounded EVERY game, but Sarver got his guy. Sarver has wanted Hedo for a few years now, I guess he finally got him. Forget team chemistry, Hedo will be a cancer you just watch………………
Sorry for the rant, if LB had to leave I just wish it was not for Hedo.

These arguments demonstrate the problem of the conflicting information on Turkoglu. He’s a good passer, but he needs the ball in his hands? No idea how he made different people think the opposite things about him.

With how we sucked in rebounding with Diaw and still made the WCF. That may have been the case, but the West is much stronger and bigger now. It may have been enough that year, but it won’t be next year.

I’m not pessimistic, I’m intrigued and skeptical.

on the BSotS…

I think that the Turk/Childress pickups were pretty solid. We got them for pretty cheap wihtout giving up a whole lot. Gonna miss LB, but sadly we knew this day was going to come with his diminishing role in the rotation. I agree with most people that rebounding is one of our key concerns, but more on the differential. If we can get our front court to get the rebounds they are supposed to get, and scrap for the ones that can go either way, we have a shot to keep that rebounding differential close.

Turk is a lights-out shooter, and putting him on a team that gives him the green light greatly adds to our already potent offense. Throw in his passing ability, and our team chemistry, I think that he could have a resurgence in his career. I’m seeing more of the positive side than then negative on Turk.

Hate to see LB go though…I hope he reunites with his buddy Diaw.

That being said, I love players with basketball IQ.
Only concern is the chemistry which can be said on any trades.

Hedo seems to create concern among lot of us. I understand what happened in Toronto, but there are no doubts about his talent, and with the right team and right motivation, Hedo should be fine, like he was in Orlando. This trade could have never happened if he didn’t have this single bad year. He is underrated for a moment.

Rebounding & Defense ? I don’t see much difference with or without Amare.
Amare couldn’t pass( he didn’t need to) , but it would be very interesting to have forward_playmaker in the mix. It will bring another dimension to the Suns.

Sarver begining to show his own way of making things happen : )
I am glad its happening now, with Nash and Hill facing their final years.

thumbs up!

This gives people hope. Warrick, Childress and Hedo for Amare. I think its worth it to hold judgments atleast until the trading deadline.

But still. I think everything he did and then some is redeemed here. I’ll reserve judgement on how the chemistry will work out, but my feeling is these are chemistry players and my hopes are pretty high on Nash having another 11 assist season.

Seems to me that Hedo was an integral part of getting Childress – they wanted talent back, and that’s coming from Toronto. Seems to me that Sarver was pretty astute putting this deal together – does the Childress deal happen independent of the Turk deal?

It’s much better than Amare who was saying " only championship matters"
but actually was looking for more money.

Players who come in for lesser money reminds you there are other
important issues in Basketball.

Will the perimeter defense will improve enough to compensate for the bad rebounding?

The defense in the paint…ehh. I don’t suppose it will be much better, but Stoudemire didn’t help much with it, so it probably won’t be worse. Lawal and Collins would improve it if they were in the rotation.

this guy quit on his team and that’s my beef. last summer he agreed to go to portland then bailed for the raps, then while the raps were fighting to make the playoffs he checked out on them to. I understand the optimizm but it will take a lot more before i’m sold, that guy will have to show some serius hart before I do the turky glue boogaloo….
BTW. thanks to Alax every time i hear about Lebachelorette james I think
“he who bores Alex” i think we should just call him that from now on.

Life Sucks!

The Heat, Lakers and Spurs are targeting Raja Bell. The Lakers and Spurs are believed to be in the lead. The Spurs can offer more than the Lakers tough. Bell will meet with both teams. This just sucks. I’d rather have him choose the Spurs over the Lakers though. At least we finally beat the Spurs, but the Lakers; if he signs there my feelings just might change for him.

Hedo: I don’t care he can shoot good. I don’t care that he’s a discount Rashard Lewis. He’s a typically european headcase. I wouldn’t want him in a Suns uniform at any price.

Childress: Why not. Crowd the payroll with middling players. Hope Gentry can make use of them on defense and Nash with them on offense.

i wanna see what type of deal ronnie brewer get because if its anything close to what childress got then i think they made a mistake. As for Hedo….on the fence. I mean…over 10mill a year for for what 4 more years. He’s already an old 31. You can honestly say u feel great about this deals if u do then u being a lil bit of a homer

The more I hear about Turks downsides, the more I’m not worried about them. I’m not going to judge somebody based on a bad year in a bad situation (more than style of play, but a lack of support). He was a good teammate before then and with the character people on the Suns, he will be again. We’ve got a team that will have a lot of fun playing together, will play smarter than last year. Nobody can replace Amare, but this team will still be pretty good. It’s going to be an interesting season. Go Suns!

why be so cheap then go out and make a deal like that

im not buyin that for a sec

Gentry loves the mismatch games, and with our zone defense being so successful last year, I think he will stick to it more especially with our starting unit. Chill, Grant, Dudz all can gaurd any position from a 1 to a 4. Even on offense if a team wants to switch a big on a little guy, we have those long wing players waiting to take advantage of that.
Its more of a lets keep what working rather than work in a complete different system. With Amare there was a lot of pick and roll, now its pick and pop and we have some huge bodies to pick with. Gentry has a plan and both he and Sarve must have thought to stick with this plan all through the end. Dont make the Amare leaving as a disadvantage but now we have more players scoring so more even distribution. We still have our clutch, Nash, Grant and Jrich in there and we added Hedo to the list and that is not a bad thing at all.

I say we should stop being concerned about Raja Bell. He’s past his prime. He probably won’t do what he could do in 2005-06.

so fellas take it easy(like a Sunday morning?). I know Gentry and the rest of the coaching staff will work hard during summer camp to:
1.) address your rebounding and defensive issues.
2.) address Turk and clear out his issues.
3.) pick Child’s afro for maximum funk.
4.) re-learn chemistry, reformulate the hydra to mecha-hydra.
5.) tighten the nuts and bolts of the Suns 2010 roller coaster. fan safety purposes.

We have the rest of the summer to prepare and the whole NBA season to adjust. Maybe not the whole season, i will give this Suns until all-star break… and the 3 games after. Hopefully I’ve only worn out the “frustration lever” by then. I have yet to use the “panic button.”

NBA front-office sources say that Bell continues to draw interest from a variety of playoff teams, such as Miami, Dallas and San Antonio. One source said signing with the Heat has essentially been ruled out because of Miami’s financial constraints after signing LeBron James, Chris Bosh and Mike Miller to flank the re-signed Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem. But the Suns are also weighing the prospect of trying to bring Bell back.

Bell is traveling to Los Angeles this week to watch the ESPYs and has arranged to meet with Bryant to hear the Lakers’ face of the franchise make yet another recruiting pitch to the 33-year-old swingman.

Bryant really wants Bell on his team. THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Charlotte has traded Tyson Chandler and Alex Ajinca to Dallas for Dampier, Matt Carroll and Najera, a league source tells Y! Sports.

I cannot begin to describe how ecstatic I was when I heard about both moves. It seems most people agree with the Childress deal, but mixed feelings on Turk. Well I’m telling you guys, I don’t think they could have found a better player for our system and what we do. Turk will have a huge year for us. Much like the Diaw comparisons, but Turk is way more aggressive and will take it to the hole when the oppurtunity arrises. (Remember how frustrating it was when Doris would get the ball under the hoop only to pass it back out to the 3pt line?) Not anymore. And Hedo is not afraid to take any big shot. Believe me, the Suns are a much better team now than they were just a few short weeks ago in the WCF. We are going to rock this year!

It’s funny how a lot of us are talking about Hedo and Childress, but no one is talking about Warrick.

But I don’t get why we need 6 wings…
Richardson / Turkoglu / Hill / Dudley / Clark / Childress / Dragic

With all the frontcourt positions absolutely crammed (Lopez, Frye, Hill, Turkoglu, Childress unless he plays guard), hopefuls (Lawal, Collins) and hangers-on (Earl Clark, Jarron Collins, Taylor Griffin), minutes should be earned by survival of the fittest. Except at Grant Hill’s position. He’s already earned his position. Too bad some worthy rookies will probably never leave the D-League except in preseason.

If I were the Suns, I’d rather get Zabian Dowdell than get a past-his-prime Raja Bell just to keep him away from the Lakers.

PG – Nash
SG – J-Rich
SF – Hill
PH – Warrick
C – Lopez

2nd Unit – Subs – Awesome bench

PG – Drago
SG – Chilli
SF – Hedo
PF – Frye
PF – Clark

Where do Dudz, Lawal and Collins fit into all of this?

Just curious?

but I think the team had to do something. There are going to be some very good teams next season and we needed a tune-up. we survived the Shaq mess and honestly this feels promising. Phoenix is a GREAT team and city. Remember cast-aways from other teams have career years in PHX. Nash is the MAN remember that y’all.

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      Suns looking for backup centers-Kurt Thomas, Francisco Oberto, Rasha Nesterovic, Mark Blount & Dwayne Jones if Toronto releases on the list

In the last 2 years, Childress played like 15 games per year in Europe, and averaged something like 22MPG. The mileage on his legs are much less than, say, JRich when he was 27. And JRich is still doing fine.

We’re too deep. I feel like Grant should just retire, so the young guys can get a shot and so Hedo can move to SF. Either that or I just wish they wouldn’t have signed Warrick to 4 years.

I’ve watched them their whole careers.

Childress is an awesome pick up. Who knows what is going to happen to Hill and J-rich after their contracts expire this season? Hill, at 38, could easily retire. J-Rich could seek a bigger contract then the Suns are willing to offer. Same goes for Dudley. You think this off season is overpaid just wait until summer of 2011.

Hedo plays best when he is 2nd or 3rd fiddle. He was overpaid with his last contract because he played so well in 2009 playoffs. He will do great in the Suns system. It is the tail end of that contract that the Suns got burned on. Paying 11 mil. for a mid-30s nonathletic PF is going to hold the Suns way back in a few years.

I wish the Suns would have been more patient in seeking a PF. I would have preferred a low risk move of using their trade exception on Chandler for the last year of his contract and splitting time between RoLo to minimize injury at the center position.

For any analyst that says the Suns overpaid consider that 30/30 owners believe a lockout next year is inevitable.

I think Grant Hill should sit out the entire preseason. He doesn’t need to prove anything. Nash could too unless the team wants to know right away how he works with the new players.

Is that Childress isn’t in NBA LIVE 10 so I can play with updated roster. I can’t wait for the season to start.!!!

gave himself a nickname: Turkish Jordan? how arrogant is that?

he also had problems with his teammates in national team, he wasn’t sharing the ball, he was shooting like 1-11 and totally ignored his teammates… I don’t know, he is a gamble…

something interesting… he originates from Serbia, His parents are Bosnians from Sandzak region (Serbia) emigrated into Turkey mid 70,s where Hido was born… and they changed their surrname from Turkovic tu turkoglu… he speaks good serbian…

can someone explain me this trade-kicker that he agreed on?

Keep it up!

The basketball world has always looked down on the Phoenix Suns. Our run last year was a fluke, this season will be a rebuilding season because we don’t have Amar’e, blah blah blah. These acquisitions were great. People don’t realize we essentially upgraded from Barbosa, a small 2 who was great at attacking the basket and shooting 3s but subpar on defense, to a 6’8 shooting guard who can do all the things Leandro did and play excellent defense. Underestimate much?

Ah Hedo. So much doubt around him after just one bad year. I could understand that but just he’s been a proven player. Doesn’t the fact that Hedo gave up 5 million of his trade kicker in the final year show that Hedo plans to rebound (bounce back) in Phoenix? I expect him to do good because he’s so versatile and he’ll be playing with Nash & Hill. All players have tried their best when playing with them and I think they’ll get the best out of Turk, Childress, & Warrick.

Let the world doubt. They always have. Yet time and time again, Phoenix somehow manages to win and “shock” the basketball world. Bring it on, haters.

Right now, we have 2 legit centers, 3 unproven PF’s in Warrick, Gani, and Collins (+ Hedo), Grant, Dudley and Clark at the 3, Childress who can play 2 or 3, and 3 guards (Nash, Dragic, and JRich) plus 2 promising guards at the Summer league. Shouldthese guys show well in pre-season, it would be worth keepeing them around – having two expendable PF’s and two expendable PG’s plus a couple of exceptions puts us in a good situation to make some moves before the deadline.
     It’s like having money in the bank earning interest – if any of these guys show well in the regular season, it makes it a lot easier to get what we want. Say a team is making a surprise run, and needs a PG – we have Reynolds, and we need a PF. They have 3 PF’s, but they like that, because 2 are prone to injury – we can put Lawal or Collins with Reynolds, and get back a good PF – and everybody wins.

Same arguments in Toronto about Hedo? Because the issues they had with him didn’t arise until later in their season. Different scenarios completely… for they were originally unaware of any complications when they signed him.

I know Grant Hill is under-appreciated by many NBA fans, but I’m a little disappointed to see so much of that here. Have you forgotten how strong Hill’s defense was in the playoffs last year? We’re going through a pretty major transition right now, which is unusual for a team coming off the conference finals. As we go through this transition, don’t you want to have one of the greatest “glue” guys in the league to help lead us? Don’t you want a guy with a fantastic basketball IQ, a consummate pro, to help teach these guys how to play together?

As for his basketball skills, he’s still got them. I see him possibly playing an even bigger role this year, as he’ll pick up more rebounding slack. We really don’t know what we have with Childress, Hedo and Warrick, and how this is all going to fit together, but Grant Hill is solid as a rock, a constant stabilizing force through these changes. And, last but not least, Grant Hill is one of the class acts in all of sports, as evidence by his winning the league’s Sportsmanship Award 3 times. I will never look forward to losing guys like him.

Yes, I think he’s a solid player. His injuries are a concern but he’s good in my book.

HOWEVER, he’s not right for this team. Just like Shaq, Al is a player that prefers to play at a slow pace. Plus with his injuries, adding him would be an even bigger risk than re-signing Amar’e for 5 years all guaranteed. Al Jefferson’s a good player who needs to be in a halfcourt system like the Spurs or Jazz. Our uptempo style could possibly blow out his knees if he’s not careful and I highly doubt even Aaron Nelson could prevent that.