If we were to trade J-Rich, I know who we should trade for.
by jc79 on Jul 15, 2010 12:03 PM MST
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Andre Kirilenko - the AK-47.
Let's run it down and see why it makes sense for everyone to trade Jason Richardson to the Jazz:
Andre wants to play PF but is stuck at SF much of the time in Utah, with Carlos Boozer... er... Al Jefferson, and Paul Milsap crowding the rotation at PF. AK also wants to start, and be a major offensive option, but Jerry Sloan has him coming off the bench, and uses him primarily as a defensive specialist. In the past, AK has publicly asked for a trade (he subsequently recanted). So, I think AK would welcome a chance to change teams, play his favored position, and be a bigger part of the offense.
Utah is well into the luxury tax again, after trading for Jefferson without giving any salary back, and signing Raja Bell as a free agent. This trade would save them something like $6.5M when you figure the luxury tax into it. It would give Utah the high-quality starting SG that they've been seeking. And, because Richardson is an expiring contract, they would have less to worry about after the season, heading into the probable lockout, and possible hard-cap in a new CBA.
Phoenix (badly) needs an athletic PF who can finish at the rim, run the floor, and play some defense. AK fills all of these needs. Although we would be taking on an additional $3M or so in salary, we would remain under the tax threshold with the trade. Kirilenko's contract also expires after this year, so the future is not compromised by such a move.
Now, I know that this is unlikely to happen in the summer. Sarver has already said on KTAR that they're adding a 3rd string center and that's it for acquisitions. But, the possibility of a mid-season trade looms.
Whaddya think?
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Nobody. Please don’t trade Richardson. That is all.
by 8472species on Jul 15, 2010 12:21 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
No.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Depending on how much AK47 has left in the tank, I'd be totally down.
It actually makes sense on all fronts, and doesn’t compromise our cap situation in the future. Childress can step into the starting 2 spot, since he’s a starter-quality player anyways, with Turk at the 3, AK at the 4, and RLo at the 5. That line-up, with the three-ball shooters (Dudz, Frye) coming off the bench, seems like the one we should be striving for. Can’t play Turk at the 4, realistically.
AK47 makes soooo much money
He’s a decent player, but only worth about half as much as he makes.
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by Justin Burning on Jul 15, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Certainly worth closer to 14.4
Than Kirilenko is to 17.7
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by Justin Burning on Jul 15, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
That's a BIG NO!
He’s scheduled to make $17 million this year! That’s as much as Amare for a guy who averaged 12 pts and less than 5 rbds in 29 min. per game last year. Absolutely not!!
And you think he’d post similar numbers playing PF in the Phoenix offense?
I bet he’d get 20 and 9, easy.
Possible players I wouldn't mind the Suns looking at.....
Brandan Wright – Golden State PF
Carl Landry – Sacramento PF
Jason Thompson – Sacramento C
Thaddeus Young – Philly PF
Marreese Speights – Philly C
JJ Hickson – Clev PF
Josh Smith – ATL PF
Marcus Camby – Por PF (I know he’s old and makes too much and Portland wouldn’t give him up, just a player I always wanted the Suns to go after since the D’Antoni days)
Not sure what it would take to get any of these guys or if their teams would even let them go, just a list of players I wouldn’t mind seeing the Suns go get. What do ya think?
Landry, Hickson, and Smith are the only players on that list I would want.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Well...
Hickson, Smith, and Camby are untouchable, though I like them all.
I think Landry and Young are too small for the position.
Jason Thompson is a loser and I wouldn’t want him.
Mareese Speights and Brandon Wright have potential, but I don’t think either team wants to move them since they’e on cheap rookie contracts.
Whoa, you think Camby is untouchable.
You’re forgetting he’s 36, and the Blazers have a player named Greg Oden.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
PF/C’s not to get-
AK-47
Troy Murphy
David West
Andres Beidrens
We don’t want them and they won’t help us with what we need. It’s not worth trading J-Rich for anyone of these guys.
Don't trade Dudley!
Plus we already have like 5 white guys on our xP
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
I think Gerald Wallace would be a great fit for our team. Too bad we already have Turk and Warrick though.
Don't trade Dudley!
I would trade everyone but RoLo, Dragic, Nash, Dudley and TGriff for Wallace
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
G Wallace is
exciting, athletic, and injury prone. He is on the record as stating that he is so injury prone because he commonly has to bang against much bigger players while playing out of position at PF. And his previously awesome blocks are way down in the last year or two because he’s not going for them as much, again citing his various injuries as resulting from the leaping and crashing to the floor associated with a 6’7" player going up to challenge true bigs.
by JeHa on Jul 15, 2010 4:07 PM MST up reply actions
observation
Unless I overlooked something, not a single comment so far says no to this specifically for thinking Jason Richardson should stay. There also have been no posts defending Jason Richardson against trade suggestions.
by 8472species on Jul 15, 2010 3:26 PM MST reply actions
J-Rich will expire in a year if we don't trade him. We have a glut at the wing positions.
So, unless you’d rather see Dudley get traded, I think it would be best to consider moving Richardson.
Well, to comment on my original post re: AK-47
While I understand that some of you may balk at the idea of acquiring Kirilenko based on his numbers over the past couple of seasons, you have to realize a couple of important things. Number one, the trade needs to make sense for both teams, and the Jazz are set to start 33-yr-old Raja Bell at SG. They have Al Jef. now, so Kirilenko is expendable for them to some degree. J-Rich to the Jazz fills a need for them. So the trade is workable to begin with. Then, number two: AK47 has been playing SF for a while now in Utah, even though his strengths are far better suited for a PF. Thus, the low rebounding numbers some have mentioned. Furthermore, he is an excellent defender on the wing and in the paint, plus, as a 4, his uncanny ability to block shots comes to the fore. If you take a glance at his PER and TS%, both are very good even as a 3. There is nothing but benefit for both the Jazz and Suns if we were to trade for him.
AK makes 18 mil a year and is listed at 6'9", 225 lbs.
He played 58 games last year, and averaged 11.9 points and 4.6 rebounds in 29 minutes.
I don’t feel like I should have to say anything, but I will anyway.
You can’t be serious.
Have you forgotten what JRich means to this team? Let alone that he outscores and outrebounds AK, and played 21 more games this year, while making a very good player’s salary less.
AK is a good player, but please. Leave him in Utah.
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Pass on AK
All 4 years of Hakim Warricks contract (4y/17.92m) that we just acquired together add up to only 100k more than one year of Andrei Kirilenko (1y/17.82m). Dumping salary is one thing, but AK’s numbers aren’t much better than Warrick’s.
As haremoor said:
[Kirilenko]
played 58 games last year, and averaged 11.9 points and 4.6 rebounds in 29 minutes.
For 17.82 million dollars.
Warrick
played 76 games last year, and averaged 9.6 points and 4.1 rebounds in 20.5 minutes.
For 4 million dollars.
Sure, AK is probably the better player overall, and at about the same age will probably continue to be. But surely he’s not that much better. And he’s in the top 1.5% of salaries.
If we need a PF to play, then we need one better than Kirilenko. If not, we might as well use Warrick. If we need an expiring contract, then we should just hold on to the one we have.
I really can’t see anyone in the league wanting AK’s contract for anything other than to watch it expire.
Players who will make more next year than Andrei Kirilenko:
Kobe Bryant
Rashard Lewis
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Michael Redd
Players who will make the same next year as Andrei Kirilenko:
Pau Gasol
Players who will make less next year than Andrei Kirilenko:
The other 400+
Untouchable? Josh Smith is touchable. Oh là là .
Many in Atlanta want to move Al Horford to PF, a more natural position where he can better match up, and find a replacement C to bang around against the likes of Dwight Howard. Though the Shaq thing probably won’t happen (see bottom), this doesn’t mean they’re done looking for a workhorse Center.
Josh Smith :
- isn’t a good enough shooter for a SF (they wouldn’t start him over Marvin Williams anyway)
- is not a good choice at C (they would and do choose Horford instead)
- is too expensive as a backup PF (and they have an exciting backup PF prospect in Alade Aminu currently doing well in the summer league)
Al Horford is in the last year of his contract next year (5.4m) with a qualifying offer (7.1m) in 2011/12. He will definitely garner interest around the league and he likely won’t come cheap. The Hawks priority has to be resigning him.
If Atlanta finds a center, I suspect Al Horford moves to 4 and Josh Smith (and his 3yr/37.2m contract) gets traded for the largest expiring contract they can find (or a center).
Even if they don’t, with the expensive Joe Johnson max deal and the need to resign Al Horford, Atlanta may still need to find money.
Personally, I love the idea of Smith’s scoring, shot blocking, rebounding and athleticism to complement the Suns’ roster better than any other “available” PF name I’ve heard tossed around. The man just needs to learn to shoot free throws.
Still, the Hawks might balk at the idea of dumping their fourth best scorer.
Then again, they might not.
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/05/shaq-weighing-offer-from-hawks-to-join-johnson/
Well, if Josh Smith becomes available...
Obviously you bite hard on that. He’s sick.
Reports have Cleveland doing a NT for Marvin Williams...
If that is the case, Josh Smith stays…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
He's only touchable...
…if the Hawks front office majorly screws it up.
Oh.
You’re right. I recant completely.
Horford or Smith would both be awesome additions
true PFs to play PF. What a concept!
by JeHa on Jul 15, 2010 4:08 PM MST reply actions
If the Hawks management signed Joe Johnson to a max deal and then lost Al Horford
The fans would castrate them.
I can’t see them trading him in any (realistic) scenario.
And to Sun God, yup, if Williams goes, Smith probably stays if they don’t find another SF.
http://www.hoopsnotes.com/2010/07/cavaliers-wants-to-bring-marvin-williams/
This deal would put Shaq at Atlanta’s 5 for Williams. Hawks better find some shooting outside of Joe Johnson somewhere if they move this way.
The Suns should go all out on Horford next year
He will fill immediately help solve our need for a big bodied banger in the low post. This would only be possible if the Suns don’t resign J-Rich. Try to imagine a lineup of that.
1. Dragic/Reynolds or Dowdel
2. J-Chill/J-Dudz
3. Hedo/Clark(hopefully he can be a contributor)
4. Horford/Gani(a player like Gani that plays physical on both ends will always have a spot in the rotation)Warrick(I hope he gets traded as soon as possible)
5. Robin/Frye/Jones-Hoping the Suns pick him up even for a third string center
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I don't think Al Horford will be an option
He will be a restricted free agent in 2011/12 if he hasn’t already been resigned to a new contract by the Hawks.
We have to assume the Hawks will match any offer, if for some reason they aren’t proactive enough to lock him up early.
Suns fan in Utah
I grew up in AZ, but now reside in Utah. I can say with some certainty that the Jazz would not want J-Rich cluttering up their mediocre wing rotation. J-Rich is not a Sloan guy…not an effort guy who plays tough defense…(look at the G/F the Jazz have played the last couple of years as well as the Raja signing for evidence of that). J-Rich is a great scorer, but wouldn’t do that as well in the Sloan offense. My guess is that if the Jazz are doing well around the deadline, they stand pat and see what kind of run they can make in the playoffs. If they’re not doing as well as they want, then they will trade AK’s contract for an adequate replacement and future assests(picks+young players). I know it seems like the Jazz would be looking to dump AK-47’s contract for the first decent offer that comes along, but just like any team around the league, the Jazz value their own talent differently than other teams…any thoughts….?
by Michael A. Xidis on Jul 15, 2010 10:32 PM MST reply actions
Jason Richardson
I’m not sure if the salaries would match up but how about:
J-Rich and T. Griffin for Raja Bell and Paul Millsap?
or
J-Rich for David West?
The last thing the Suns need is another tweener.
The Phoenix Suns...Where making average players look elite happens.
David West
basically is a tweener
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
AK...no way...overpaid, underwhelming, and undersized for the PF position....
Personally, ablout the only decent big we could get is David west…A lot of perople don’t like him, but we could do a lot worse than West. While I wouldn’t mind stealing him for say TGriff, Clark other assorted trash, I think it would be a little too much to give up JRich for him, especially in what regards JRich does for us…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
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