Hakim Warrick Scouting Report: Beyond The Numbers
We have reached out to our fellow bloggers to get more information on Warrick.
First response is from Allen at our Memphis Grizzlies site, Straight Outta Vancouver.
Warrick played his first four seasons in Memphis, where he was extremely durable. He was drafted 19th in 2005, after four years at Syracuse.
Here's what Allen had to say about Warrick:
As much as I feel your disappointment, you definitely could have ended up with worse than Hakim Warrick for $18 million over 4 years (sent before reports that final year is team option).
In Memphis, Warrick showed that he can really score with decent efficiency in just about any situation. If you think Conley is terrible and the Grizz run a stagnant offense now, just imagine what it was like in 07-08 and 08-09. Even with the team's complete and utter incompetency, Hakim managed to shoot right around 50% from the floor.
He's got the offensive skills of a small forward without three point range; he'll put the ball on the deck, will isolate to get his own jumpshot, and can spot-up shoot from almost anywhere inside the three line. He's not going to shoot quite as well as Amare off the pick and pop, or really score in the post at all, but he brings lots of similar skills to the table.
And of course his best skill is his finishing. Hak Attack goes dunk city with the best of them, and I suspect he'll be about as useful to Steve Nash in the pick and roll as Stat was.
Rebounding and defensively, well, Hak's disastrous. Amare isn't a great at either of things, but Hakim is pretty awful. He's very, very skinny so he gets pushed around in the post, and he relies on his vertical to get the few rebounds he does manage to grab. Fortunately he does apply himself, at least, so I suppose he could improve in the right system and with the right coach. Maybe the key to fixing his defense is dropping into the Suns zone?
Because he tried hard, even on a terrible Grizzlies team, and made flashy plays, Hakim was well liked, and I don't know of a Grizz fan who was happy we didn't bring him back last off-season. Also he was Rudy's best friend, and everybody else on the team seemed to like him too.
As far as Hakim in the Suns' system, like I've hinted at, I think it's really a good fit. You really couldn't have found a more similar player if you tried -- both in abilities and faults. He'll probably be even more useful if you teach him to shoot threes at a respectable clip, like Jared Dudley, but will be helpful right away for between 25 and 30 minutes a game. I would not be shocked at all if he has a career season in Phoenix.
He's really a great platoon starter and was one of the franchise bright spots during the worst times.
Allen
Straight Outta Vancouver
[Note by Seth Pollack, 07/02/10 11:14 AM MST ]
Here's a very nice statistical comparison of Hakim Warrick and Tyrus Thomas created by Blog-a-Bull last season after the Bulls acquired Hakim from the Bucks.
Hakim Warrick By the Numbers - Blog a Bull
The numbers suggest Warrick's a slightly better version of Tyrus offensively, and downright awful defensively.Neither description is particularly good. And that shows up in Adjusted Plus Minus. From 2006-2009, Warrick's -6.40 APM ranked 4th worst in the NBA (Damien Wilkins, Juwan Howard, Eddy Curry) among players who played over 5000 minutes. Warrick's 2008-2009 basketballvalue APM was -5.19, and his current two-year APM stands at -3.62.
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In 12 months time
He’ll be ripping up that contract and renegotiating a better one after a career year. Bet on it.
NBA players can't do that, thankfully
That crap is so annoying in the NFL.
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by Justin Burning on Jul 2, 2010 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
Even the fourth year is a team option instead of a player option
So he’s pretty stuck
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by Justin Burning on Jul 2, 2010 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
Frye could do it, because he was only on a 2-year deal and the second year was a player option
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by Justin Burning on Jul 2, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah I know that
But surely if the player and team both agree to renegotiate a better deal, they can do? I know the team would be more than happy for an overachieving player to be earning much less than he deserves, but they might want to lock him in for more years or something.
by Toon Army Sun on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
sounds pretty good
I’ve always liked Hakim’s athleticism, and this seems like a good pickup for now. I think everyone on the Suns, especially Nash, has to realize that if STAT isn’t coming back, then no one will replace his exact skills. Rather, the team will need to adapt. No more pick and roll on every play. However, I think this presents a unique opportunity to Steve, who really hasn’t played without STAT in such a long time. He’ll need to adapt his game, finding more open shooters and taking the ball to the paint more. I can see this season being a good one, regardless of STAT’s decision in the end.
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Nash will still have good PNR options with Lopez and Warrick
I think we’re looking at Warrick averaging 12-15pts/gm and Lopez averaging 15-18pts/gm for the team to be moderately successful.
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by Justin Burning on Jul 2, 2010 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
Well said
I also think it’s time to think about cutting Steve back to 25 minutes or so. I would like to see the ball in Goran’s hands more.
He’s more aggressive attacking the rim and his pick and roll game isn’t bad either. Not to mention defense and speed.
I love Steve but once again last year the Steve we saw in Nov and Dec was not the same guy we saw late in the year and in the playoffs. He just can sustain. We need to start pulling back from riding that horse so hard.
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 2, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve always liked Warrick he is the poor mans Amare with less scoring and more defense..His numbers will go up significantly…Amundson is as good as gone…it looks like so is Amare..If we bring back Amare and Amundson…I think we can compete with the Lakers..I think a year or two for Collins and Lawal won’t hurt anyway..Plus until Lopez quits fouling more bigs won’t hurt..I also read we may get Tyrus Thomas
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 2, 2010 10:55 AM MST reply actions
The "Warrick as Frye" possibilities are great
Highly touted guys coming out of college who drift around and can’t find a home finally land in Phoenix, where the team exactly fits their skill sets. You have to sign guys based on value. Of course, Warrick is no Stoudemire. But he costs a fraction of the amount of Stoudemire, giving you all kinds of flexibility to get and keep other guys.
I dunno. Maybe I’ve been mentally preparing for Stoudemire to leave for months, but I’m really not upset about it. Sure, he’s a phenomenal scorer, but he’s also got two shaky knees and doesn’t rebound or play D much at all unless it’s his contract year, and then only at times. And, while not being a thug, he’s sort of a knucklehead and bad teammate. Let the Knicks spend max dollars for that.
Hey Seth - I follow you on twitter and saw this link
I wrote something up on Hakim last year when the Bulls traded for him, and I think the points still hold. He started out strong for the Bulls but eventually fell out of the rotation. Just didn’t show much besides an occasional jawdropping move, which is why announcers loved him and coaches didn’t. The Suns seem like the perfect spot for him though, so who knows.
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 2, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Warrick>Amar'e????????????????????????????????? What the F is sarver thinking? I have tears in my eyes right now.Stat is going to agree to
a 5 year 100 million $ contract w/ NY.
Fuck You Sarver
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Bkj, you can't be serious
This is not a question of Warrick or Amare.
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by Justin Burning on Jul 2, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
I made a promise to myself that I'd stop watching the NBA completely if Amar'e left PHX; well in a few more days
I’ll get a call from my cousin bragging to me about how his knicks got amar’e stoudemire and all i have to tell him is i got frye, warrick, and clark waiting in the wings. Complete BS, Sarver completely ruined the good thoughts I had about the Suns now.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Have fun with that
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by Justin Burning on Jul 2, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
It is matter of Amare averaged 30 and 10 down the stretch of the season, improved his defense, and his play in the 1st two round of the play offs
got us to the wcf. It is about me becoming a Suns fan b/c I loved amar’e in HS. It is about me never getting what I wanted every time I watched basketball. I’m sick and tired of how every season we are successfull Sarver blows the team up and finds other pieces to the puzzle to make the team successful again. Well not this time, you cheap SOB, there isn’t enough talent once amar’e leaves and the chemistry certainly won’t be there, so we are basically screwed going forward. The suns will be down the lottery crap chute for years to come.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Well, I have clark to look forward to. Hopefully, he'll develop into the player he can be.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
This was not Sarver's fault...
HE has to think of the long term as well. We threw a good amount of money Amare’s way. He didn’t want it. Instead, we sign a cheap PF who can do many of the same things Amare could plus we have a ton of flexibility when the trade deadline comes. Package LB and Rich and trade for MELO!!!
Reading is good...
you think the nuggets would even think about that deal….? This isn’t NBA Live where all you have to do is match up salaries….talent counts in trades….Denver would be getting nothing for a franchise superstar…..ugh…
by Michael A. Xidis on Jul 2, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
Common its not sarver fault........
First off all nash makes amares numbers great
Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2003-04 PHO 55 36:47 7.5 15.7 47.5 0.0 0.1 20.0 5.6 7.9 71.3 2.9 6.2 9.0 1.4 3.2 1.2 1.6 3.4 20.6
2004-05 PHO 80 36:06 9.3 16.7 55.9 0.0 0.2 18.8 7.3 9.9 73.3 2.7 6.2 8.9 1.6 2.4 1.0 1.6 3.5 26.0
His shooting percentage goes up by 10% with nash
and Sarver’s offer is not bad at all given amares past knee issues. If amare had confidence in him that his knee would be holding up then he would have signed this offer. He is not sure about himself
The Suns made a last-ditch proposal to Stoudemire, offering him a five-year contract that guaranteed him $71 million, sources said. The first three seasons were fully guaranteed. The fourth season contained a 50 percent guarantee that could become fully guaranteed based on the number of minutes Stoudemire played in the first three seasons. The fifth season of the contract also could become guaranteed based on a minutes incentive.
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Great Deal
The Suns just picked up a young SF/PF type with a great contract. Everyone keeps saying that Sarver is so cheap. Well, he just found a good player at a fantastic value. He’s smart and cheap, which makes for a decent owner. James Dolan spends more money than anybody else in the league, but look where the Knicks were. It’s never about how much money you spend, but what value you can get from the money you do spend…
by Michael A. Xidis on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 AM MST reply actions
Warrick has been in the L for
4 seasons and hasn’t done much to prove himself; neither has frye and we are willing to let Amar’e go because warrick, frye and clark have “potential”. Why didn’t we just trade amar’e for anthony randolph, stephen curry, and brandan wright if we wanted potential so friggin badly.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
We're letting Amare go because he's not as good as what he's going to get paid
Hey, I like a Big Mac as much as the next guy, but I’m not paying $5 for one.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 2, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
because this isn't fantasy
league where you can just trade for whoever you want….
Amare choose to leave. The Suns final offer was fair. Time to move on.
No, this team next year won’t be that good but as you may have noticed the only teams that win rings have super-star level players. The Amare/Nash combo had 6 yrs to try and couldn’t get it done.
Next
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 2, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
I totally agree
Suns made a very Fair offer, Amare didnt stayed because HE dont wanted to.
Time to move on indeed.
the offer was very fair
stay healthy and get paid.
Amare chose to get paid and force his new team to act as an insurance company when the insurer wouldn’t cover him.
One thing I’ve learned — actuaries and underwriters are very good at their jobs.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Amare willl be asking for a trade from New York in less than 2 years
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 3, 2010 1:43 AM MST up reply actions
You are obviously living in dreamland when it comes to your expectations of how the NBA works
The Suns were not going to win with Amare, regardless. Yes, in an ideal world they would have traded him a couple of years ago before the eye injury.
However, not many people realistically expected Stoudemire to remain a Sun. Warrick is NOT a replacement for Stoudemire. He’s someone who can start at PF until a true replacement can be found. Yes, this is about as bad as it could have gotten, with STAT leaving and the Suns getting nothing in return.
However, it’s the price the Suns paid for keeping Amare at the trade deadline this year so the Suns could have their magical playoff run.
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by Justin Burning on Jul 2, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
I know I'm spewing BS right now, sorry about that. I'm just frustrated with sarver right now. This is a mental blow to me; I was
truly expecting amar’e to come back. Sorry, I’ll try and cool off.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
You should be mad at Amar'e, not Sarver
All of his talk was about wanting to stay with the Suns and staying with us for less money.
by hcblankscreen on Jul 2, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
yes you should be mad at Amare, not Sarver
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The Future of the Franchise
Sarver is thinking in terms of being right for the next 5-10 years. It makes no sense to max out amare 1 year before a new team friendly CBA, when you can get a great FA in the next couple of years at a reduced cost to the team with less guaranteed years. For an example of how a maxed out Amare can really hurt a team look at Utah with AK-47’s huge contract. It crippled them for the life of the deal. Look at Houston with T-mac. Look at the Knicks with just about everyone on their roster. Sarver is running the franchise well, biding his time to find the RIGHT talent.
by Michael A. Xidis on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
Warrick's position
Good morning. I understand that Warrick is not a replacement for Stoudemire, but since when is Warrick a PF? I’m cheerful enough about getting him, but he sounds like a SF by all indications. Unless the Suns want him to play out of position, there will be a logjam at SF (Hill, Warrick, Clark) and not much at PF (two rookies if they’re not in the D-League, no Stoudemire, no Amundson).
by 8472species on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM MST reply actions
By the way, with the money saved from Stoudemire leaving, the Suns could probably compete to keep Amundson if they really want him, unless other teams throw money at him like the Raptors threw money at Amir Johnson. Doesn’t look like they want to keep him, though.
by 8472species on Jul 2, 2010 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
Suns are only 2 mil under the cap at this point
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LOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I really hope they keep Lou...
Every single time I watched him play I was amazed at his defensive energy level.
by ap3604 on Jul 2, 2010 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
The real question is...
what happens in the second unit? amare could play the 4 and Frye the 5, stretching the floor. Its doubtful, though, that Warrick can play the 36-40 mins Amare could and do so efficiently. So do we play Lawal and Clark more? This will be interesting come season time.
Reading is good...
http://twitter.com/hdubb21
looks like HW offical twitter page
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Warrick will be a MONSTER in the Suns system.
Could easily crack 20 ppg in a uptempo system when he is a starter getting 30+ minutes.
Sarver absolutely made the right decision getting Warrick for 4.5 million vs Amare at 20 million.
by ap3604 on Jul 2, 2010 2:35 PM MST reply actions
Yeah of course he did... two years in a row actually... he is a scoring MACHINE!
Per 36 minutes career average in NBA is 17 ppg (on slow teams) bring him the minutes with Steve Nash and he will get 20 ppg guaranteed!
by ap3604 on Jul 2, 2010 11:40 PM MST up reply actions
warrick is not a poor man's amare
he is a poor man’s Shawn Marion. He really is a 3 that can play at the 4 against smaller guys. He isn’t the rebounder marion was, but has similar skill set to marion offensivley…
for 3 yrs at 4 per, we might have locked in a solid rotation player for longer than normal and at a decent value. He is getting 3M less than Barbosa and Barbosa was injured and did not contribute much last year. He is someone I would showcase for the trade deadline as it seems we don’t really need him necessarily. You can find undersized guards that can score off the bench for much less than they are paying Barbosa.
Too much for Frye and Warrick
I’m glad the Suns didn’t give Amare the 5th year 100 mil contract. He’s not a MAX player, as D’antoni already knows. I am not happy with paying Frye 30 mil over 5 years or getting Warrick for 18 mil for 4 years when they could have just gone with Amundson for 10 mil for 3 years. The Suns aren’t going anywhere next year why not let the young players (Dragic, Lopez, Dudley, and Clark) develop and save all your money for next year to go after a MAX player.
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by Gilbertsportsfan on Jul 2, 2010 2:52 PM MST reply actions
I'm talking myself into the new Frye-Lopez-Warrick era...
I think we’re gonna be fine. Sure, Amar’e’s production on the offensive end is hard to replace but this gives Clark a chance to crack the rotation and I truly believe that with Steve Nash we’re still gonna be just fine on offense. It’ll be the defense, as usual, that will determine our faiths. I guess we’ll see…plus an Amar’e S&T is still possible and we could also move Barbosa…
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by Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai on Jul 2, 2010 2:57 PM MST reply actions
He really is a terrible rebounder though
Good lord
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Makes things tricky...
Might need more help rebounding from the guards but that cut’s down on our fast break cherry picking advantage…
by ap3604 on Jul 2, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
7 rebound per 36 min isn't that bad though.
Plus the guy is a MONSTER scorer. Could easily get 20 ppg in a suns system and 30+ min…
by ap3604 on Jul 2, 2010 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
It's pretty bad when you're 6'9 and can sky like he can
And did I read somewhere that he only had THREE double digit rebounding games last season?
What?!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
yeah thats not good
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Great...
No help Defensively or rebounding and will score less pts. Well buckle down for probably a disappointing yr. after the race to the Conf. Finals.
Becuase, after that signing we really can’t afford anymore of the great free-Agents out there. When you lose one of youre marquee players you have to sign another one. The Suns failed to do that with plenty available.
Over the Hill
Maybe they’re grabbing him as a SF, which would be his natural position given his (lack of) size. They are losing Hill next year, and possibly Dudley and Richardson unless they resign.
Still hoping they trade Barbosa for a bigger PF or even another C.
Life goes on - No One to blame, And the Suns will be contenders.
I BELIEVE……
Points we all agree on – We could not pay Amare the Max without some kind of insurance. Insurance Cos. were not willing to do it and nor was the player.
Amare was getting a Gurranteed 71Mil for 3 Years. If that is true, Sarver was realy willing to break the bank and Amare would be getiing the 100 to 104Mil – 5Yr Contract if he was confident of his health/abilities and Knees.
If I am Correct Pau Gasol was paid 57Mil for 3 Years by the lakers just 6Months ago. We are talking about the LAKERS. (Do I need to discuss the way they spend money ????)
So, GOOD Decision Sarver and Best of Luck to Amare wherever he goes.
SNT – Not happening with Amare to give consent and him wishing to wait for Mr LBJ to decide his future. And from what I understand he is already ready to ink the potential deal with the Knicks. They do not want to pay Amare for 6Yrs, so they will not do a SNT. The only reason they are signing Amare Rightaway is for a chance to look good to other possible FA’s including LBJ. Bosh ain’t deciding without Wade/LBJ making a decision. (That is pretty lame and that is another reason for me to not like him)
Amare is the only one who is willing to take the best offer for him. So, unfortunately this is a perfect storm that has rocked the boat.
About Warwick – Yes, he does not make us a contender. If anyone believes that he does, has a crystal ball that shall predict the future and has seen many-many many Warplosions fed by Stevie Wonderboy or the Sniper. WHO AM i KIDDING ????
But look at his price. 4Mil Per Year for 4 Years with an Addition 2 Mil Bonus, IF Applicable. That sounds like fair VALUE FOR MONEY (5-6RPG/Game with 5-10 Points Avg)
About Lou – Give EC a chance and the only way that happens is if Lou Leaves. Lou is Great. Love the Guy, Energy Hustle and the Pony-tail. But he is limited offensively. Will never be A great finisher at the Rim/does not have a consistent jump-shot and the way I see it, cannot gIve minutes higher than what he currently averaging without his eff dropping.
Let’s face IT, the guy is also much smaller than regular PF’s and after the first few games-in on a consistent 30+ MIN rotation, people would know what he does and how to effectively negate him. There is only So Far that Grit and Determination alone can take a player. The balance is talent. Of By The Way he does have talent to SNIFF REbounds…..
About EC – From what I hear he has the talent, but may lack the drive. I believe that with more PT he will blossom under A-Gent. But the Jury is out on that.
I bet there shall be more trades by the Suns before the Feb Deadline. And those will make you SMILE. But, Then the question would be about integrating the new players into the system/chemistry. Well, Let us wait and see. I am wholly behind Sarver on all his decisions so far. That includes his decision on Kerr.
by SS21 on Jul 3, 2010 12:51 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I know EC needs playing time but Lou is so tremendous for us.
It’s just sad that we won’t be able to afford to keep him.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 3, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions

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