Better value: Richard Jefferson or Hedo Turkoglu?
Who would you rather have?
Both are getting $40 million in the next 4 years (4th year partial guarantee)
Richard Jefferson is 6'7" and 30 yrs old, Hedo Turkoglu is 6'10" and 31
NOTE: This is NOT a trade post, simply a comparison of value. I just saw that Jefferson signed for the same money as Turkoglu gets for the next 4 years. It was an interesting comparison of value, is all.
Vote, and tell us WHY
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Hedo, no question
Especially considering the Suns. The team has enough slashers … they don’t need another slashing small forward.
I’m really shocked the Spurs did this. Richard Jefferson gift wrapped them a chance to get out from under his big contract when it was obvious he fit poorly. But no, they went right back for more.
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Cosign, Im shocked too.
Personlly Im ecstatic. I can’t believe the Spurs made such a colossally dumb move!
there MUST have been an agreement
that he would get this contract. Otherwise, it made NO sense at all to opt out of 15 guaranteed million. I remember Tom Gugliotta, the summer before his final player-optoin guaranteed 10+ mil from the Suns, being asked about opting out. He playfully laughed at the reporter, and said he wasn’t stupid.
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Plus, Jefferson is not a great outside shooter and his game depends a lot on his athleticism
Turk’s game will age much better.
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Are we basing this off of last season's numbers or the bulk of their careers...?
I guess we have to take Hedo…Theoretically he can play PF……
Why wasn’t their a Carl landry or J.J Hickson option there…?
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
We don't need no stinkin' option anxiety.
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Yeah, but I don't have a Humphrey Bogart reference for that.
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they just both have the same money on contract for the next 4 yrs
one plays for the enemy, one plays for the Suns
that’s why those two (mostly because of the money, and people thought Hedo’s contract was onerous)
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 21, 2010 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Jefferson stunk against the Suns
Is anyone remembering that Richard Jefferson had an awful series against the Suns this summer? In light of that, why are we bothering to discuss him?
simply the size of the contracts
they are both the same, and people thought Hedo’s contract was “untradeable” and couldn’t understand why we got him.
Theres no potential trade at all. it was just a ‘who would you rather’ question
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 21, 2010 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Jefferson started faded into obscurity right after the Bucks traded for him.
He’ll be like Vince Carter here, the difference is that his contract gonna run longer.
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Jefferson doesn't even compare to Carter
And Carter isn’t an attractive option at all these days, and hasn’t been for half a decade. What does that say? It says, the Spurs finally fucked up at something.
I like what you said☺
the Spurs finally fucked up at something.
sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!
I'm pretty down on Hedo, but I still choose him in this comparison.
Spurs not making as much sense lately.
I think I’ll choose this year to be my first in joining the chorus and writing them off.
In Bayless I trust.
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Hedo, not even close. As it was said on AZCentral.com, Hedo's ball-handiling ability is something that we haven't had since JJ left;
this will allow the Suns to better use nash as a shooter and take some pressure off of him in crucial moments of an intense game. In other words, not only do we get a Mr. Big Shot but also a Walking Mismatch. RJ would not only ruin the spacing but I read somewhere that RJ used the turnaround mid-range J as his main go-to option; also, in said article, (That I unfortunately not remember the name of) the Go to option of Richard Jefferson had the least used/ most ineffective jumpshot at such a high rate in the NBA. In other words, RJ’s jumpshot is rather useless, but also, we can’t play RJ at PF like we can with Hedo.
F*ck you Rob Sarver!
To make ourselves feel better that we have a better SF than the Spurs?
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TURRIBLE!
exactly
I just couldn’t believe the Spurs gave jefferson 40 million
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 21, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I know how
RJeff: I’m opting out of a huge contract
Spurs FO: OMG YES!!!
RJeff: But, if you don’t pay me over $10 or don’t give me a long term contract, I’m leaving.
Spurs FO: NOOO!
RJeff: Hey agent, tell everyone I want to go back to NY!
RJeff Agent: Sure!
Spurs fo gets worried.
Spurs FO: okay okay! We give in 4yr 40m!
Rjeff: sucess!
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Hedo
Cause he’s already on our team
"It seems like my whole life I’ve been this little Canadian kid dreaming somebody would give me a chance."
Turk!
Turk, no contest. Mr 4th quarter vs Mr 4th option.
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by presbot on Jul 21, 2010 9:27 PM MDT reply actions 5 recs
I modified the title and added a note
this is not a trade post at all. Just a comparison of value to their team, and the NBA as a whole.
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Hedo
More length, more versatility, and he is a Sun. Hope he doesn’t think he will be the only option in the 4th quarter.
it would be nice to have someone
expecting to take end-game shots. I can’t count how many times the Suns have flubbed a last-second shot attempt, either by Nash failing to get himself open or Amare drawing an offensive foul…
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In the Nash era Suns are money in the 4th quarter
- Mike D’amntoni and Alvin Gentry are both great at drawing up out of bounds plays
- We have had great 3pt shooters on our team
- Our shooters are clutch:
Nash, Barbosa, Tim Thomas, J Rich, Raja Bell, Jared Dudley to name a few in the Nash era.
Although it is always nice to have another player who can make a big shot, (especially one who can create his own shot) I think it is unfair to say that the Suns need someone who can make a game winner.
Recently, the Suns have not been short on shooters with ice in their veins.
by Nash Ramblah on Jul 22, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
well I've seen the Suns have trouble with last-second shots
sometimes, and its nice to have another option who can create his own.
On that list, only JRich (once) actually created a last-second shot with the ball in his hands besides Nash. The others have done the catch-and-shoot thing, but only on a Nash assist.
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Hedo,
for lots of reasons, but most of all because Richard Jefferson’s ears are way to small for his head and it sort of creeps me out.
That's the best reason we have heard thus far...
This is for all your BSOTS people that like facts when backing up an argument…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Everytime I see Richard Jefferson I think when he contested Amare’s dunk…Owned…Also I like Hedo..I actually think he would be better with the second unit and start Warrick..Dragic is a good spot up shooter and Hedo can make more plays I think people will be surprised at how well Hakeem Warrick finishes pick and rolls..He’s the poor man’s Amare in my opinion I’ve liked him since he was an Orangemen
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 21, 2010 10:52 PM MDT reply actions
Next question: Richard Jefferson or a Blueberry Muffin?
Cause right now I’d rather sign a 39 million dollar muffin to my belly.
That muffin better have some filling and some whipped cream for $39 mil.
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Lopez is hurt again
Have we already had a post about Robin Lopez’ withdrawal from the Olympic team? His back is hurt again. I’m dismayed. So apparently he is injury-prone. Damn.
I think it was more precautionary. Brother Brook said Robin’s back was fine I think. I’m just randonly typing letters though, so I could be wrong.
Banzai!
by Suns' Sensei on Jul 21, 2010 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Really?
Didn’t Brook say it was just precautionary so he didn’t go down again this season? And didn’t Robin say it was just cause he was still rehabbing it? I thought I read that somewhere. Or maybe I’m just thinking wishfully.
He's fine
according to Gentry…just avoiding the risk and being extra careful
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 21, 2010 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Of course the organization is going to say that.
As much as I hate to inform everyone on here, Robin Lopez’s back is going to ruin his career. This is something that I have been keeping in hoping that it would go away, but I want to get it off my chest, and burden you all a bit. A man his size with a bulging disc is a HUGE problem. I mean HUGE! Here’s an example that hits close to home…Any Cardinals fans in here? Gerald Hayes just had back surgery for a similar issue. The Cardinals organization has been saying all offseason that they were holding him out for precautionary reasons. Nope. His back is jacked up. And so is Robin’s. I know you don’t want to believe me because we have such high hopes for the guy, but this back issue is here to stay. Operating on a bulging disc is a last ditch scenario. The disc(s) sits perpinducular to each vertical vertebrae in the back. The discs act as a buffer/cushion between vertebrae. When you have a bulging disc it’s NOT CURABLE! Ask anyone who has similar back problems. They don’t go away. A buging disc is debilitating, but something that can be played with albeit with lots of pain. His back is not fine, but he can play with it. Robin Lopez will never play a full 82 game schedule ever. Why doesn’t Robin go under the knife like Hayes did? Like I said it is a last ditch scenario. Surgery to repair a bulging disc involves removing the disc, in which case there is no cushion/buffer between vertebrae. Im not sure what they replace the original disc(s) with in that case, but surgery for such issues can prove to make the injury even worse. So for now, Robin Lopez will play with varying levels of debilitating pain EVERY time he is on the basketball court. Im getting tired of doctor talk, but there is more of this to come. The day this situation was explained to me by a world class medical equipment development back specialist, Dr. Sontag, I was sooo upset. Sorry Suns fans.
did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
cuz you sure are certain about a lot lately (on this and other threads I’ve checked this morning)… including stuff that no one on this planet can possibly be so certain of.
There’s opinions, there’s strong opinions, and there’s saying things are certain when they’re not. To say that a bulging disk is NOT CURABLE is going a little too far. Sure, Robin’s injury may linger, but you hurt your argument by overstating.
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We're DOOMED!
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Dorothy
probably has a bulging disc
I would guess he/she has a bulging disc himself/herself, and that’s why he/she is so upset.
by 8472species on Jul 22, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Robin Lopez is probably going to die
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Jul 22, 2010 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He IS going to die.
So am I, so are you – but Robin is going to die in the WCF, game 6, with 4:17 left in the 4th quarter. I will blame David Stern. ESPN will credit Kobe. Barley will blame chicken and waffles. And everyone here will blame Sarver.
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Dorothy
robin will die final destination style
It will be at the hands of the glass backboard, close relative to recently deceased glass door. When robin turns his back one night to mr glass backboard, that’s when he’ll strike. But first gb (glass backboard) will break into lopez’s email to answer the big question. What goes on in the mind of r loez?
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger....or makes you a Suns fan
by jasonsuns1 on Jul 22, 2010 11:02 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Any one up?
I am stuck covering a D-backs game which is now in the bottom of the 13th inning…
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I'm bored
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 21, 2010 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Can't remember
basketball game going 13 innings
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 21, 2010 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh sure
go ahead and bring in a new pitcher…that won’t waste another 10 min
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 21, 2010 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I do perfer
games that end according to a clock, that’s for sure
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 22, 2010 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I prefer games that end with a 'W'.. Go DBacks! SWEEEEEEEP!
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
'games' never ends in W
don’t you know how to spell? jeezus…
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Seth, I think you violated the commenting rules
That Alex posted by hijacking this post. You should’ve posted separately, “Bored at Baseball Game in Extra Innings. Please Keep Me Company.”
by East Bay Ray on Jul 22, 2010 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
But 2NASHTY told me it was spelled...
Oh, wait…
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Dorothy
OUCH
Damn haremoor…your shaming into an education
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
Sorry, 2Nashty, you're just such an easy mark.
Still love ya, though.
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Dorothy
I don’t know why…but, I feel like some sort of an aquatic animal swimming in some sort of enclosed space used for storing pickles, and I’m under attack…..lyke shouting a fich in a barell
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
Baseball....
been berry, berry good to me !!
Value Turk vs Jeff?
Let’s see….Turk- Pass, Dribble, Create shots for self and others, 3 point shooter. Jeff – occasionally drives to the basket, More miss than hit shooter, ,,,,,is there another talent that I’m missing? Tough choice but I’ll take Hedo, whether he was on the Suns or not!!
Wow...good research Alex!
To be honest…I already loved the Hedo signing, even more so that acquiring Childress. Don’t get me wrong, I loved both of them, but have always thought Turkoglu was a perfect fit for this team….and now he’s actually here!
Add that to the fact that we were able to trade Barbosa, who we all knew would receive very little playing time in our new system, and effectively add only $3mil more a year than we were paying LB for a starting PF who can do it all!
However, seeing that the Spurs are paying Jefferson the same amount makes me love this signing even more. Not that it benefits us in any way, but just that I love seeing us get the upper hand on the Spurs in any way possible…since it happens so infrequently.
Nicely said.
the only thing that I’m really concerned with is the power required to rebound and play PF. I think Hedo is a better SF.
Richard Jefferson was the most overrated player in the NBA for several years
I first met him at ASU summer camp. Don Newman, ASU’s coach at the time, was recruiting two valley players, Donnell Knight from St. Mary’s and Richard Jefferson from Moon Valley. Imo Knight was the better player at the and he never became more than ASU’s 6th or 7th man. I happened to be on Jefferson’s team and of the 8 games we played that week he only played in 3 of them, 2 we lost. Ever since then I have always followed his career closely and it always surprised how well his game has been received over the years. I’ve always hated his game. He’s never really improved/changed his game since then. He still has an extremely slow release on his J, he’s still soft, doesn’t defend particularly well and has no killer instinct. His game is going to continue to diminish year after year as his athleticism gets worse with age. That said, he’s made tens of millions and done well for himself and he’s deserved whatever he’s been able to get, but the player the Spurs will be getting over the life of that contract is not worth more than MLE $. I can’t think of one reason how someone could argue he’s worth over the MLE. I would rather have CHildress than Jefferson.
Hedo is very similar in that he too just came off a abhorrent season in which he didn’t earn his 8 figure salary. He’s either going to play like he did in Toronto last year and be the same underwhelming 10 million a year slouch that Jefferson is going to prove to be with the Spurs. I desperately hope that doesn’t happen, but I know he can’t get any worse than that at least. Or he’s going to come to camp in shape, slightly refreshed from not having to go thru playoff basketball, and in game shape from playing for Turkey in the World Championships. I will be trying to catch every Turkey game to see how Hedo looks, and anyone who wants some advanced insight into what we will be getting from him next season should be trying to do the same.
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NO COMPETITION
Richard Jefferson said himself that every team has an asshole and that he fills that role. that would not work in this system. Everyone knows T-Griff is the team asshole.
wait..back up, what the F* is a "chris duhon"?
Jefferson's Is Washed Up
Jefferson’s game is based completely around his athleticism. Everyone knows, that’s the first thing to go as a player ages. Just look at ‘Trix. I wouldn’t touch Jefferson with a ten foot pole. I’m ecstatic that he will be killing the Spurs’ cap for the next 4 seasons.
Hedo will age nicely as he can shoot the J and has great court vision. Both are attributes that don’t diminish with age.
by thesunshomer on Jul 22, 2010 9:24 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't have RJ on my team
because he unnerves me. I have never seen a single hair on his head. Not even stubble in the beard area or anything. I don’t trust him. He’s disruptive to team chemistry because when everyone is in the film room or in shootarounds, RJ is meticulously shaving every inch of his head and face, and probably his arms and legs and who knows what else.
The Spurs have commited to $40 mil for him, but that doesn’t include all of his shaving utensils that he goes through every day that the Spurs will have to keep stocked in the clubhouse. Those Schick Quattro and Mach 3 razor cartridges are like $20 for a pack of 4! SA will go broke, RJ’s head will always be smooth as an egg, and he’ll shoot 41% will the Spurs hover around mediocrity.
I say no thanks, RJ. No thanks indeed.
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I want to see RJ and Fisher give each other noogies…haremoor; how do spell noogie?
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
I think you got it right.
Although there is the East European variant, ‘Nugee’.
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who brought Jefferson to Spurs, anyway?
Was the Richard Jefferson trade supported by Dennis Lindsey or Dell Demps, or both? If so, no wonder the Spurs don’t mind losing them.
I did see a tweet yesterday
that Dell Demps used to work for Isaiah in NY when they signed jackie Butler to a huge deal. then when he went to work for the Spurs, talked them into acquiring Butler from NY.
If you’re asking “who the fuck is Jackie Butler?” then that’s the point.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 22, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I know Jackie Butler is a big-man project who never made it.
by 8472species on Jul 22, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
RJ
I think R J and Hedo had similar seasons in that they both didin’t live up to expectations. RJ has been working out with Greg Popovich personally and was the best sf on the market available to them thats why we resigned him (plus all the new spurs suck there first season according to Tony Parker). Hedo had to be traded because of his poor attitude and bad relationship with the fans and the team.
As a Spurs fan, I can tell you that they both suck. End of discussion.
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