Just How Valuable Are The Members Of The Phoenix Suns?
As we trudge further along through the doldrums of the NBA offseason, we find less and less to talk about. The top free agents have signed, the Vegas Summer League is over, and all we have now are chances to speculate about possible trades and where Hedo Turkoglu should find pizza.
It's sad, but it's enough to get by.
This is a chance for everyone to engage in a lively discussion. Everyone loves player evaluations. The "Armchair GM" is one of the most popular positions of the whole sports blog nation (also of SB Nation, coincidentally). So, let's make everyone happy and give everyone the chance to agree with, disagree with, or simply start some genuinely interesting conversation. I'll be using this as the grade guideline: Must Keep, Should Keep, Neutral, Should Trade, and Must Get Rid Of.
I'll go with the starters first, and then move onto the bench players (in order of appearance off the bench). First things first...
STARTERS
Steve Nash: Must Keep
I know that somewhere out there, there are a few people that think that Nash should be traded for whatever we can get for him. These are the people who are also dissatisfied with constantly making the playoffs but always winding up falling a bit short. To these people, I say this: without Steve Nash, this team doesn't even make the playoffs. He is the motor that makes this team go. Oh, and on top of that, with our apparent lack of first round draft picks over the past few years, we wouldn't have even been able to build our team through the draft. We would have just stayed a terrible team with no hope in sight. I don't want to name names, but I'm looking at you, Minnesota. And Golden State. And the Clippers.
Jason Richardson: Should Keep
I know there are a few avid Jason Richardson haters out there, but I think J-Rich should stay. He was one of the more consistent contributors in the playoffs for the Suns. He may have blown a dunk or two in the regular season, but he nailed a banked-in three point attempt to give the Suns a chance at a Game 5 victory vs. the Lakers. He may not be a perfect player, but he works about as hard as anyone else I can think of in the league.
The only reason I don't put Richardson into the "Must Keep" area is his contract. With a very hefty, very expiring $14.4 million contract next season, Jason Richardson looks like a prime trade target for teams looking to create cap space at the trade deadline. This is where the Suns must decide: do they want to trade him for assets, or do they keep him and try and resign him for less next season? My gut goes with the latter, but if the deal is sweet enough, I couldn't fault the organization for taking the former.
Grant Hill: Must Keep
In no way, shape or form should Grant Hill be traded from the Suns. I don't care if we're in the midst of the worst season since the dismal 2003-04 season, Grant Hill should not be traded. I understand that he's on the last legs of his career. I understand that it might be "polite" to send him to a contender at the trade deadline. I get all of that. I just really want to see a great guy retire from our team. I want to see his number retired, even though he will have (probably) spent only 4 years with the team. Grant Hill is one of the league's classiest players, and there's no doubt that he'll be truly appreciated for the player he is. I just want to see that happen in Phoenix.
Hedo Turkoglu: Should Keep
I really have no idea how Hedo is going to fit in with this team. My instincts say that he'll do just fine. However, I throw him into the "Should Keep" category simply because we just traded for him. Nobody wants to be like Quentin Richardson from last summer, bouncing around from town to town. Plus, the guy was great during his final two years in Orlando before being traded to Toronto. Who's to say he won't go right back to who he was with the Magic?
Robin Lopez: Must Keep
In the past, there had been much frustration circling amongst Suns fans and the NBA Draft. I'm going to go ahead and throw a shot in the dark and say that it was because the franchise either sold or traded most of its picks. Maybe. I don't know. Or maybe it was because during the years of 2002-2006, the Suns draft history went as such:
2002: Amar'e Stoudemire, Casey Jacobsen; 2003: Zarko Cabarkapa, acquired rights to Leandro Barbosa; 2004: drafted and traded Luol Deng for Jackson Vroman and some cash; 2005: drafted and traded both Nate Robinson and Marcin Gortat for Kurt Thomas and the rights to Dijon Thompson; 2006: drafted and traded both Rajon Rondo and Sergio Rodriguez.
Aside from the obvious winners (Amar'e and Barbosa), there wasn't much to write home about. Since then, the Suns' draft picks have been a little more encouraging. As in, they actually decided to keep them. Robin Lopez, along with Goran Dragic and possibly Earl Clark, have shown promise and hope - something we haven't seen 'round these parts in awhile.
BENCH
Goran Dragic: Must Keep
The Slovenian Sniper. Dragon. Frosty. You can call Goran Dragic whatever you'd like, but no one can deny the fact that he is shaping up to be a fine young player. As mentioned before, we've seen something out of Dragic that we haven't seen in a long while: promise and hope. Along with that, we've also seen something we've rarely seen in the past 5 years: someone who can adequately back up Steve Nash. And for that, my young, Slovenian friend, you get a gold star. Or a "Must Keep". It's just as good.
Jared Dudley: Neutral
I've been thinking a lot about Jared Dudley over the past few months. Jared Dudley is one of the most spirited, intense, and entertaining players to come off the Suns bench in years. He has developed a penchant for being able to hit shots when the team needed it most. He is the definition of grit and determination. He is the possessor of the most athletic hands in history.
However, right there is where I'm confused about Jared Dudley. He has had a breaking out of sorts with the Phoenix Suns, and is now a known name on the market. Not to knock Jared or anything, but he seems like the kind of guy who absolutely loves the spotlight. He even searches for it. Don't get me wrong - I love Dudley as much as anyone. I'm just not convinced that he won't bolt for greener pastures come contract extension time. Do I think the Suns should look to trade Dudley? No. Conversely, if a team came along offering a pick or two and maybe a young, unproven player? You would most certainly have to listen.
Jared Dudley was invaluable to the 2009-10 Phoenix Suns "Cinderella" team. However, am I convinced that he's truly a Phoenix Sun at heart? No.
Channing Frye: Should Keep
Channing Frye recently inked a 5 year deal with the Suns priced in the neighborhood of $30 million dollars. It goes without saying that the Suns want him to stick around for awhile, and hate all you want, but Channing Frye was one of the most important players on the Suns last season. On most nights, as went Channing, so went the Suns. Frye was one of the main catalysts to the incredible 14-3 start to the season. Once defenses started keying in on him and frustrating his shot, the team struggled. In the playoffs, when Frye shot a dismal 1-20 in the first three games against the Lakers, the team needed a huge performance from Amar'e Stoudemire (42 points) in order to even pull out one game.
The Suns should keep Frye, even if his shooting can be streaky and his defense can leave much to be desired. Why? Because he's a great fit, necessary for the offensive scheme of the team, and can still improve.
Josh Childress: Should Keep
I'm not going to put J-Chill into the "Must Keep" category quite yet, but I have a feeling that come season end, we'll all be putting him there anyway. Ever since the Hawks surprise playoff series against the Boston Celtics, I've wanted Josh Childress in a Suns uniform. Goofy teeth and everything. Three years and one stint in Europe, and he's finally sporting the purple and orange. He's even had a massive dental transformation. Even better.
Hakim Warrick: Neutral
It's hard to judge a player who hasn't even played in a game for your team. I like the idea of Warrick in the Suns system, as it tends to make generally middling players look much better than they actually are. However, his lack of rebounding and defense make me wary. Will he throw down some sick dunks, courtesy of a Steve Nash pass? Of course he will. I'm just not sure what else he'll be able to bring to the table. Jury's still out on this one.
Louis Amundson: Should Trade
Lou Amundson has been one of my favorite Suns players to watch over the past couple years. I know, me and every other Suns fan. However, with this summer's crazy free agency market, Lou may just be out of the Suns' financial reach...and that may not be a bad thing.
There is no doubt that Lou has been an anchor to the defensive unit of this team. He has as much hustle as I've ever seen in an NBA player and plays with tremendous heart. Even still, there are multiple, younger players with more potential that need to be given a fair chance to prove themselves. As much as it will hurt to lose a guy like Lou, it may also help the team.
Earl Clark: Neutral
I'm not sold on Earl Clark. However, I keep remembering how poorly Goran Dragic and Robin Lopez played in their first seasons (and the subsequent Vegas Summer League) and continue to hold out hope for Clark. It would be extremely unfair to Earl to not be given the same chance to prove himself as the other two youngsters. However, I'm not sure Clark has it in him. He's never stricken me as a fierce competitor. I've never seen the fire to get better that I see in other young players in the league. I'm extremely hopeful for the kid, and I would be very disappointed if he didn't turn out to at least be a serviceable player. I just can't say I'm expecting it.
Jarron Collins: Must Get Rid Of
I would have put "Should Trade" for Jarron, but let's face it: no one will make a trade for him. He's even a free agent, so there's no need to even trade for him. (Delusional teams around the league may now rest easy.) He filled in admirably for the injured Robin Lopez, but that was about it. I doubt most Suns fans will realize he's gone.
Taylor Griffin: Must Get Rid Of
Um...this one goes without saying. Plus, I hear he's demanding a trade.
There you have it. Since Gani Lawal and Dwayne Collins technically aren't signed to the team, I chose to not include them. The time is now yours to agree with my impeccable logic or straight up bash my every train of thought. I won't mind. I actually welcome it. I dare you.
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Spot on
All of your views are correct i still think Sarvar has a trade up his sleave so we will see what he does.
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I about crapped my pants
reading that Taylor Griffin story. Awesome!
Anyways, I think if Earl Clark shows any promise this year we can say goodbye to J-Rich, especially if that means we can move Turk to the three and get a true four out of the trade.
I, however agree with your statement of Clark. It seems the thoughts on here regarding him are either he’s a superstar in the making or a complete bust. I’m with the latter.
The Phoenix Suns...Where making average players look elite happens.
Well we have a massive log jam at the small forward spot with Hill, Dudley, Clark, Childress and Turkoglu can play their too. So if Clark can’t get minutes I would like to trade him for a power forward or center who can rebound and block shots.
At the power forward position we have Turkoglu, Warrick and Lawal (maybe). Frye can play minutes as well. While I’m happy with Turkoglu and Warrick, if the right deal came to upgrade with size as mentioned above, I would pull the trigger on the deal.
the first thing I'd change
is NEUTRAL on Hakim Warrick. I’d put him in the SHOULD KEEP category. He gets paid like a backup (4 mil) and will produce when put on the court. Also, in the Suns world, he IS an okay rebounder. Worse than Amare, but better than all but 3 other guys on the current team.
And, he can finish a p-n-r and fast break with a vengeance.
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I just simply haven't seen much out of him in his career to have an opinion.
I mean, I’ve watched games with him in it. I drafted him last season on my fantasy team, hoping good things were coming with the Bucks. I just…never see much from him. He’s not a bad player by any means, but there’s nothing that screams “keep him!” to me.
If he plays well, awesome. If he doesn’t, let him go.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 24, 2010 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Warrick needs to stay!
He will be a valuable bench player for this team. He’s perfect for this system and perfect salary to match!
Like I said, if he plays well, keep him.
But, in the off chance that he’s not perfect for this system, that’s $4-5 million we don’t need on the bench.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
It's going to be a fun competition between Warrick, Lawal, and D. Collins.
It’s also going to be fun to have the depth and flexibility to allow the competition. Not to mention Hedo in the mix, who I still think can play an effective, if unconventional PF. I’m actually rooting for that. If he’s succesful at that, it makes our PF much like our Center position – sometimes, Robin fits the matchup better, and sometimes, Channing does.
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Dorothy
Jared Dudley was the second half
catalyst that turned the Suns’ season around. A’ Neutral’ rating on the ‘heart’ of the team is a disservice.
You certainly have called the J Collins situation correctly. It was very disappointing that he was not in shape when Lopez went down. Collins deserves to be gone.
Taylor Griffin is another matter entirely. He should have never been drafted.
Clark is digging a hole for himself and he will probably spend another year on the end of the bench. The Suns have apparently drafted a player with no heat/heart. He appears satisfied to ride the pine. When interviewed for television, he just keep saying that he was happy to have ‘made it’. He needs to realize that he hasn’t made anything but the rookie salary. Maybe that is enough for him? He is not nor will he ever be a superstar. If he has any value, he could be traded. I doubt he has any value at this point. He certainly is overpaid.
The team desparately needs a pf who can score a bit and rebound a lot. If one of these rare commodities became available the Suns could trade Turkoglu. This guy had one or two good seasons and a bunch of ‘others’. His performance in Toronto should be a warning to every other team in the league.
If the right deal came along, I would reluctantly part with Steve Nash. This is strickly a business deal. As GM I have to be planning for the future and our future does not include Steve or Grant Hill for that matter. Steve is making ten million plus a year. He is worth every penny. However every player reaches a point where his skills diminish. Steve has already passed this point and he is not going to get faster or stronger. Basketball smarts have kept him going and we have watched our hero slowly become an extreme defensive liability. His late turnover cost the Suns a game in the Laker series.
100% agree with this:
“A’ Neutral’ rating on the ‘heart’ of the team is a disservice”
though I do see his point that Duds may just be a mercenary, willing to take his talents to a bigger market as soon as he can. He loves CA and NY and Miami, and recognizes that championships come from those big markets.
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I think this is just speculation...
Until dudz says he desires to go elsewhere, I give him the benefit of the doubt..He plays with so much heart, smartz and emotionthat I can think that he is not a keeper…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
Agree.
I don’t know if our new Analytics dept. can quantify what Dudley brings to our team, but what I saw with my own eyes tells me that he transformed our starting 5 into better defenders. I don’t know if he shamed them, or inspired them, but he was the unquestioned captain of the league’s elite 2nd unit, and changed the course of many a game, along with Lou. Until i hear it from Dudz himself, I won’t believe he doesn’t want to be here – there’s not a shred of evidence, other than a couple of tweets open to interpretation, that he doesn’t want to be here. He is incredibly valuable to this team, and I hope he retires a Sun.
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Dorothy
From what I seen last year, I can't believe that people whant to ship Duidz out..
THis is a little strange to me…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
no no I don't want him shipped out
no way no how. he makes us better.
I think ppl are just a little worried about the 6 swing men needing minutes
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I absolutely do NOT want him shipped out.
I just don’t know if he’s truly a Sun when it comes down to it. I think for the right price, he can be whatever you need him to be. I think he truly likes it here. He’s in a system that caters to him, where he can be the defensive stalwart of the second unit. The fans love him. Hell, even I love him.
From the times I saw him in person toward the end of the season, he just seemed a little too “big time” for Phoenix. I’m not sure if it’s the JMZ (which is awesome) which led to him being featured on the Bill Simmons Report, etc. It just seemed like Phoenix wasn’t big enough for him.
I’m mainly just really confused on Dudley’s situation.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 24, 2010 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions
really!
Dudley?? A man the Suns got as a trade throw-in is too big for Phoenix? I never would have guessed.
I believe we were told
That the Charlotte trade was dependent on Dudley.
While I also wouldn’t be shocked to see Dudley bolt for a bigger market, I feel like if we were to offer him an extension he’d stay. He’s surprisingly self aware for a professional athlete and I think he recognizes that the Suns gave him the opportunity to really succeed.
by hcblankscreen on Jul 24, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
i've never met him
but i get the same impression from interviews and twitter
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regarding Jason Richardson
I know I’ll probably get the “credit” (bad or good) for initiating JRich trade talks, so you might be surprised to find out that I do love what JRich brought to the team from teh All-Star break right on through the WCF. He made BIG shots and carried us in the first round and the WCF at times.
However, I think that the Suns are thisclose to being contenders once again next year, as long as 2-time and Hill are healthy at playoff time (I say playoff time, because for the first time ever I think the Suns can win regular season games with regularity if Nash goes down for a short period). And then, once the playoffs start, ability to stop the other team from scoring becomes more important with every round.
Bringing in a PF who can play in our system (ie. very mobile) and provide rebounding/defense will cost money. JRich provides that “trade chip” to pick up an expensive player. Also, the Suns are so deep that someone really needs to go out in exchange for said PF or there won’t be enough playing time (unless, of course, there’s injury)
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Hey Trev
I think the Suns have all of their first round draft picks going forward.
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Great article, tho!
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by Justin Burning on Jul 24, 2010 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks!
I knew they had all their draft picks, but I meant from the perspective of when we signed Nash. If we didn’t sign Nash and STILL traded picks, etc., we’d be stuck treading water.
I guess I just failed at distinguishing between the past and the present tense.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 24, 2010 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Edited it.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 24, 2010 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I tought we drafted Rudy Fernandez, not Sergio Rodriguez. Is that correct?
The Suns are tough!
by Diego Queiroz on Jul 26, 2010 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
According to Suns.com's draft history
It says Sergio. I thought it was Rudy as well, but I had to go with the official site.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 26, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey justin
I remember reading an article on the sb nation it was a fake article like the tgriff on this thread it was about kobe talkin about sasha and i cant remember but i think you wrote it. Do you have a link?
by Migonads on Jul 24, 2010 1:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree with your assessment...
i think Lou is more expendable now that we have Lawal who I believe will fill the same role for the Suns this year…
I'd move Richardson to the "should trade" category
They have J-Chill to be a starting 2, if necessary. His expiring contract – right before a scary new CBA – should be able to snag a nice player, hopefully a real power forward.
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I agree 100% with your Dudley assessment
I get the feeling that in his heart, he’s not a “Phoenix Sun” and wants a bigger media market.
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What has Dudley done tha thas turned people sour on him...
I have not heard state a desire for more playing time or a bigger media market…Let’s not make something bigger than what it is…Dudley is a great player off the bench and really sets the tone for our second unit…He was a vital piece in last years run and I believe he’ll do the same again this year.. Let’s not toss away a player like Dudz based off what we think he may eventually want…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!
I agree. Duds is very happy here in Phoenix. We’re the team that redefined his career.
Steve Nash can only give 100 percent. The other 10 percent he donates to his families.
I believe in the destiny of the Suns. We can prevail.
More precisely, we're the team that gave him a career.
sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!
Same can be said for most of the guys on the team.
Channing, Dudz, Lou, even J-Rich to some extent. In fact, Grant Hill managed to revive his career by joining us.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
We gave Lou his career here, same with dudley, and in my opinion we also gave amar'e his career too; (Being that a lot of people thought his drafting was a reach)
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
Amar'e was selected 9th overall
If the Suns had taken someone else, Amar’e still would have had a career.
I know he still would have had a career, but I don't think it would have been as succesful; teh suns gave him a push to try hard and play like he cared;
the situation that players are drafted in mold their careers. For example, Marcus Fizer was and undersized power forward in college, (A good one at that mind you.) But, he was drafted to a team that already had elton brand and ron artest; they tried playing fizer, whose natural position is power forward at small forwar , when he had no sembelance of a jumpshot. It all depends on the system you are drafted that makes you the player you are; Fizer flamed out of the L in 3-4 years.
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
We gave all those guys a chance - they, in turn, gave us excellent performances.
it’s reciprocal, and symbiotic. Contracts have a time period – loyalty should last as long as the contract – on and from both sides. It’s really nice when it goes just a little bit longer – as in the case of Amar’e helping us get the TPE.
It will always be a business.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
I agree to a point
at some point in the history of a player with a particular team, loyalty outlasts contract. When that point is is debatable but its still there.
Reading is good...
Need we remind you
The Suns have been burned many times when they rescued a player’s career. Joe Johnson was going nowhere fast in Boston when we traded for him and slotted him in to the starting SG spot. Twice we rejuvenated Antonio McDyess’s career, and he bolted both times at the first chance. We definitely rescued Boris’ career, and he pays us back by being fat dumb, and happy after getting the $$. And what about paying Amare when he had a knee problem we didn’t know about, and then he leaves when we voice concern about the same thing happening?
And you guys think there is no justification to wonder about Dudley?
Of course there are some guys with the character to recognize a good thing, like Danny Manning.
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Re: Clark
I wasn’t here at the beginning of last season, but I imagine there were a fair number of people here who would have gladly traded our ‘busts’, Goran and Robin. Both were less than impressive in the summer league, as was Earl. I can’t imagine anyone saying, at the beginning of last year, that either one had fire or drive.
I want to see Clark get a full, real chance. Maybe his detractors are right, but in my experience, nothing succeeds like success. A lot of guys I respect, like Kerr, Marjele, and Gentry have said this kid is ‘special’ – I want to see it. He was a 9th pick overall, I believe. I don’t want to see him traded and then blossom for another team.
He is costing us almost nothing. Yes, he needs minutes to develop – but with this team, he should develop more quickly He can play the 3, 4, and in a pinch, 5. The more he develops, the more he is worth to us – either as a trade, or as a player. But we’ve drafted well lately, and with Earl, and Lawal, we could be looking at a future team that was made up of draft picks instead of trades/FA. How cool would that be?
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Dorothy
Same here.
But if he’s given the chance this season and still doesn’t produce, I don’t think he’ll be a very productive player.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 24, 2010 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions
What’s funny is last year there was people talking about how great Earl Clark can be because of his defense especially after Blake Griffin struggled with Clark on him
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 24, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, his upside is very promising. If he lived up to his potential, he would be extremely valuable to the Suns.
I know he’s not new and shiny, but we’ve got plenty of time to evaluate him.
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Dorothy
I agree with most of these...
But I’ll echo many of the comments about Dudley and Clarke. Dudley was a big reason why the bench was so successful. He is as integral to this team’s success as Grant Hill and Goran. Until he states a desire to play somewhere else, he’s a must keep.
I think we need to give Clarke a chance like Lopez and Dragic. A little confidence and some playing time could make a big difference.
I think the bar was set by both Dragic and Lopez
If Clark could not develop as quickly those two develop, I think he’ll be included in a potential trade in the future.
sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!
I hate the Collins sisters
Jarron needs to be gone…also dudley makes Jrich expendable..he played good defense on kobe and knocked down 3’s..he did a lot of what bell did for us..Jrich could bring us a nice player but if it isn’t Josh Smith/David Lee/LaMarcus Aldridge I’m not too interested
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 24, 2010 9:54 AM MDT reply actions
Have you forgotten how soft Aldridge was at the playoffs?
The guy is 6’11 and is content on just shooting his j’s, which is very inconsistent.
sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!
He was soft in their losses - in their wins, he was aggressive.
I don’t think it’s entirely fair to judge a young player from a single playoff appearance on a team decimated by injuries and a coach who had no clue, and against a team that was throwing up a lot of unfamiliar looks at him. LA is very talented, and I think he would thrive in our system. There’s a lot of difference between being unable to play tough inside and not doing it because of a system or lack of encouragement.
Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy
You already said it yourself
He was soft in their losses – in their wins, he was aggressive.
Yep he would thrive in our system just like the player we had that asked for max. I’m not saying Amare’s soft, but when he doesn’t bring his gorilla game, our chance of winning decreases.
There’s a lot of difference between being unable to play tough inside and not doing it because of a system or lack of encouragement.
So you’re saying that him playing aggressive is outside of their system and that Nate McMillan isn’t encouraging him to play aggressive? What?!
sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!
I'm saying that he's a young, talented player who was confused in the playoffs.
I’m saying that Nate McMillan is a coach that doesn’t use his players correctly. I’m saying that LA could be a lot better with a coach like Gentry.
If you just want to bring in players that have already proven themselves, that’s OK, but you’ll pay more, and have a lot more trouble finding them. If we had that philosophy, we wouldn’t have gotten Dudley, Lou, or Frye. Look how Frye blossomed in our system – he sat on the bench under McMillan.
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Dorothy
I get what Spit_Fire is saying
I’m not a big fan of Aldridge either.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Trading J-Rich
Sure, there are lots of good reasons for it, but are we really willing to go into next season minus 2 of our top 3 scorers from last season (J-Rich and Stoudemire)? And, of course the other of those 3 top scorers is going to turn 37 in February.
Not saying we shouldn’t do it, but it would make me see our team as being one in transition more than being one that will continue to challenge for the Western Conference crown.
I disagree
and that’s perfectly ok for us to feel differently. I don’t see the Suns having any problem scoring with this offensive system. Playing better defense would propel the team even further
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
The system is part of it
But, the Suns have also been a great scoring team because we’ve had players who are great scorers. The “Nash will make (fill in the name) look good” thing only goes so far and Nash, despite his superb conditioning, doesn’t have much more time at the top of his game. If we trade J-Rich, who on our team is a great scorer? Of course, it depends on who we get back in such a trade, but Stoudemire, J-Rich and Barbosa are all scorers, all finishers, and they would all be gone. I agree that it’s a good idea to place more emphasis on defense, but you really can’t assume that we can keep letting scorers get away and assume that we’ll still be able to score easily just the same.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 24, 2010 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions
If we trade J-Rich, who on our team is a great scorer?
Nash, Childress and I suspect Turkoglu will will put up numbers similar to Richardson’s.
Last year Childress averaged 15.2 points in 32.3 minutes for 0.471 points per minute and Richardson averaged 15.7 points in 31.5 minutes for 0.498 points per minute
Besides, the Suns do a great job scoring by committee, and we expect that Lopez and Dragic will grow and have more productive minutes this year. Might even be able to squeeze a little more out of Dudley and Frye too.
Like Alex said, scoring will not be a problem with this roster with or without J-Rich. It’s preventing the other team from scoring that we should worry about.
You're citing Childress' stats in the Greek league, and overlooking J-Rich's playoff stats
Are we really all forgetting so quickly how valuable J-Rich was in the playoffs? He averaged 20 points and 5 rebounds in only 33 minutes per game, including 47% 3 point shooting. It’s not an accident. Richardson’s game is better for the playoffs. When the rest of our offense breaks down, he can play one-on-one basketball and create his own shot. I love Childress’ all-around game, but he simply isn’t the scorer Richardson is. In Childress’ most productive NBA season, he averaged 13 points in 37 minutes per game. In his (albeit brief) playoff career, he’s averaged a whopping 7 points per game.
My overall point is this: we can’t continue to let our best scorers go, and expect that Nash’s magic and “the system” will keep us as an elite scoring team. Richardson is a 20 PPG scorer in his playoff career, on 49% FG%. That’s harder to replace than many on here seem to recognize.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 25, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with Childress not being the greatest offensive player.
He’s definitely a more defensive player. In the Suns’ system, he’s likely to see an inflation of stats, but his main focus this season will be continuing the defensive trend of the second unit.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Childress is not a great offensive player...
but he is a very efficient one…He has shot great than 50% from the field during his 4 years in the NBA…I see him being a Shawn Marion type with handles and without the ridiculous hops…Heck his jump shot is nearly as ugly…
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Of course I’m citing Childress’ stats in the Greek league. That’s where he played last year. If you are implying that there was a lack of competition which invalidates his stats, then I believe you are mistaken.
I used Jason Richardson’s regular season stats because that’s what I had to compare to Childress. Additionally, using peoples playoff stats isn’t good for comparison, since usually one side has played more games (or fewer), or against tougher opponents (or weaker), or may have played with more favorable matchups (or fewer). The regular season is a better estimate, as there is a considerably larger data set and more variations in opponents.
Richardson’s scoring last year was the worst since his rookie season, and he has been on a general decline since 05/06. His playoff performance was not exemplary when he actually had to work, averaging 12 ppg in the last three games against the Lakers. In fact, I remember at one point he did so poorly that his defensive assignment was given to Hill so that he could “focus on scoring and not work so hard on defense.” Expecting him to score 20ppg next season is probably wishful thinking. And if you think that the regular season doesn’t matter, imaging how a Suns-Lakers series would have looked if we had home court advantage.
J-Rich was great in the playoffs last year, but was not the savior that you’re making him out to be, and is replaceable. Childress would do just fine in that department, and for considerably less money.
My point is this: you can move Jason Richardson for less of a scorer and expect that we will still be an elite scoring team, and depending on who we get, a better team overall.
I want to make it clear, I’m a big supporter of Jason Richardson, and hope we can keep him for the right price.
But it’s wrong to think that we can’t do without him, and people should remember, by this time next year, regardless of whether or not we trade him, there’s a good chance that he won’t be playing for the Suns.
A few rebuttal points
1. I don’t think there is a “lack of competition” in the Greek league, but there is a lack of NBA competition. It’s a different game, less physical, and the league has less overall talent than the NBA (the talent level is probably a small step up from NBDL). It seems reasonable to expect Childress to perform for us as he did in his previous NBA stint rather than as he did in his time playing in Greece.
2. Never said we can’t do without Richardson, or that he can’t be replaced. What I did say was that it will be harder to replace him than a lot of people here admit. And, if we lose him after next season? Hey, we kept Stoudemire all last year, knowing we stood a good chance of losing him, and then did lose him. But, that went OK for us, didn’t it? There is no “need” to trade him unless we get the right return in the deal.
3. Sure, regular season matters, but home court is overrated. How would Suns/Lakers have looked if we had home court? They would have beaten us just the same because they had a better team. We played 6 games, they won 4 of them. 3 were in LA, 3 were in Phoenix. They beat us in their building and in ours. They were just the better team.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 25, 2010 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
The European game is actually MORE physical.
You see a lot more European players come over who are used to being able to get away with some bumping on the perimeter, but not here. The NBA refs will call a lot more than the Euroleague refs will. I will however, agree that the talent level there is not on par with the NBA talent. Not to say they’re not good players; they just aren’t as athletic/talented as most of the players over here.
I don’t think anyone is saying we need to trade J-Rich. If he doesn’t resign, he doesn’t resign. We still get his $14 million coming off the books. I think a lot of people are saying just what you are: if the right deal arises, pull the trigger.
I don’t know about the home court advantage being overrated. There’s a lot to say about getting into a groove and gaining the mental advantage over the opposition. It’s no secret that we played better on our home court during the season and during the playoffs. We had swagger there. We had confidence. On the road, it was anybody’s game. So while it might not actually affect the win/loss percentage (as was the case with the LA series, 3 games there, 3 games here), it affects the way the game is played. There is way more of a mental game in the playoffs than at any other point during the season. Therefore, if a team played better at home during the season, they’ll likely play better at home during the playoffs. Thus, home court advantage is a HUGE boost to the team that has it.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree that home court is huge - especially last year.
The Suns were lost in the first two games of the WCF in LA – they hadn’t beaten the Lakers at Staples all year, and they looked like they didn’t believe they could do it. Once we got the two wins at home, we were a different team in LA, and damn near beat them.
I hope it’s not as big of a deal next year, but it may be – but I think our team is going to be capable of a lot of regular season wins. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see us get the number one seed. I hope we do – I agree about the mental part of the game. We do, for the most part have a lot more playoff experience on this team, but let’s not test the theory – I like number one.
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Had our season ended on the road in game 7
Then this argument would make more sense to me. The difference between the Suns and Lakers was evident in games 5 and 6, when a deadlocked series was being decided. We “damn near beat them”, but didn’t, on their floor in game 5, and then they beat us pretty handily on our floor in game 6. As it played out, the most important game of our season was played in our house, and it was a thorough defeat (did we ever even lead in that game?). Playing in Phoenix did nothing to stop Kobe from scoring 37, making some ridiculous shots in the process, or to stop Artest from going 4-7 from behind the arc. It also didn’t help our rebounding any, as they outrebounded us 41-31. In Stoudemire’s last game as a Sun, he gathered 4 rebounds.
Maybe have to agree to disagree here. There is no way of telling how things “might” have gone. But I certainly don’t believe that home court advantage was an important deciding factor between the Suns and Lakers in the WCF.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 25, 2010 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions
but the series was already in trouble
after games 1 and 2 on the road, making the task of winning 4 of 5 really really tough. As it was, the Suns fought to tie the series, but then games 5 and 6 obviously went the Lakers way. To say the Suns were thoroughly beaten in game 6 is wrong, IMO. We were within 3 pts in the 4th. An offensive foul on Amare and the big, big shots by Kobe were the diff.
Kobe had his best shooting series of HIS CAREER. Usually a 40% shooter from 15-22 feet, he shot 58% against the Suns. Against in-the-face defense. He took the shots the Suns wanted him to take. He just made more of them than he ever had before. Against Boston, and Utah and OKC he was more his norm.
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I fully agree here.
If the Suns had had home court for the Lakers series, I’m confident we would have had a much different series on our hands. Even if the Suns split the first two games and split the next two in Los Angeles (which is where we were after 4 games, tied 2-2), the series would still have been in the Suns’ favor.
I’m not saying we would have beaten the Lakers. Sitting and pondering on what if’s is (mostly) useless. I just think the Suns would have made the Finals (or at least pushed it to 7 games) with home court.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Even if you get home court advantage
You have to either win every home game, or be able to beat your opponent on the road. We did neither against the Lakers. Including regular season, they beat us 7 out of 10 times. They beat us early in the season, late in the season and in the playoffs. In LA, they were 5-0 against us. In Phoenix, 2-3. I don’t understand the reluctance to say: “Look, they were better.” Forget the woulda, coulda, shoulda stuff. That is a great Lakers team. We were a little less great. It sucks, but it’s true.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 25, 2010 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree the Lakers were more talented
but I don’t agree the outcome is definitely the same regardless of HCA. The more talented team does not always win the series.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 25, 2010 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
look at it this way
the Suns beat the Spurs in a sweep in round 2. By the logic you’re using (HCA makes no diff) then the Spurs were a lottery-caliber team that didn’t belong in the playoffs. Suns would have swept them regardless of HCA, right? And since the Suns only won 4-2 in the first round, the Spurs were not worthy of the playoffs.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 25, 2010 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
You're helping prove my point, Alex
We beat Portland 4 times, twice at home and twice in Portland. We beat the Spurs 4 times, twice at home and twice in San Antonio. Why? Because we were better than each of them. Play in Hawaii, play in China, play on the moon, the Suns were better than those teams, and proved it.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 25, 2010 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Scratch the "play on the moon"
The lack of gravity would make it too hard to predict.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 25, 2010 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions
But they didn't
They won on the road when it was 3-2. We’d just beat them 2 out of 3 times. Shouldn’t we have been plenty confident then?
by East Bay Ray on Jul 26, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't agree that I'm helping you prove a point
If HCA had no impact, why would there be just posturing for it? Come on. Games 1,2,5 and 7 are given to the better team because they played their butts off to earn it.
Game 1 winner gets the series 80% of the time.
If you win both Game 1 and 2, the success rate is over 90%
Winner of Game 5 in a 2-2 series wins the whole series 90% of the time.
And, just to finish the point, winner of Game 7 wins the series 100% of the time.
Wouldn’t you want those games on your home court?
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It's a "chicken or the egg" argument now
I never said “no impact.” I said HCA is overrated, and wasn’t a key reason the Lakers beat us. The better team over the course of the season gets HCA. So, are they more likely to win by virtue of being a better team? Or the building the games are played in? We played all season to get to #3 seed, and pissed it away in game 1 of round 1 by losing at home. But, no problem. We had a superior team to Portland and won 4 of the next 5. Would the Celtics have beaten the Lakers in game 7 had it been played in Boston? We’ll never know.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 26, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Go go narrow box!
It’s the team with the better record, not necessarily the better team, that gets home court advantage.
You’re not going to convince anyone that home court advantage is not an invaluable asset throughout the post season because it’s simply wrong.
In a sweep, changing home court probably wouldn’t have made a difference in the eventual winner. But if the teams can show that their level of talent is comparable, then home court advantage becomes exactly what it’s name implies, an advantage.
Gasol had 9 points and 7 rebounds in game 6. Amar'e had 29 and 4.
As far as HCA, I don’t think we would have spotted them 2 games. Of course, I don’t know what would have happened, but the Lakers came into the series not playing well, and the first two games ignited a lot of their secondary players – and Kobe had the best series of his career. But with our young, inexperienced team, I think it would have made a lot of difference.
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The Number One Seed?
Are the Suns playing in the D league next year?
If the Suns didn't sign Warrick then Clark could easily play at least 15 mins
Now, he’ll be lucky to play 10 mins at both SF and PF.
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If he earns it, he'll play.
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true
Warrick has nothing to do with Clark’s playing time, and vice versa. They both own their own destiny.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Griffin
Taylor Griffin is probably the biggest Suns mystery I’ve ever seen. There must have been some reason to draft him, or the competence of potentially the entire Suns front office is called into question.
I have faith in him! :D
I promised I would and I can’t go back on him now!! Who knows? He had 1 or 2 shots in Summer League! And a handful of missed dunks…. :/ Sigh. Oh Taylor…
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jul 24, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
The reason?
His younger brother was the #1 draft pick and Kerr thought it ran in the family.
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by SunsFanForever on Jul 24, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Kerr did the same thing with Griffin that he did with alando tucker
drafted an undersized college 4 and expected them to be able to make the transition to NBA 3, you’d have thought he’d learn his lesson.
That makes a lot more sense than the absurd idea that Steve Kerr drafted him for being someone’s brother.
Pliny's response below is actually the correct one.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 24, 2010 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
well, Dudley was an undersized college 4
as was Matt Barnes.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
he was signed to be a practice player...
you have to fill the roster, and some players are destined to get no important playing time, which TG realizes. Smarter to do that than to sign someone who’s going to complain about PT.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jul 24, 2010 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, that's what Pliny said
they needed someone who wouldn’t complain at all.
And, second rounders are the cheapest you can get.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Lou Amundson is untradeable because...
Lou Amundson is an unrestricted free agent. He should not be on the list.
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I think he could still be signed and traded, maybe netting us a TPE.
I will, as always, defer to Alex.
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true
we have his early-bird rights
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
what is lou's status?
is he being shopped, Ihaven’t seen much?
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He's not a member of the Phoenix Suns right now
And probably won’t be re-signed.
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by Justin Burning on Jul 24, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, he was our best player in the Summer League
But, then, our Summer League team sucked, so……
by East Bay Ray on Jul 24, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah but there's no reason not to sign a guy like Gani
Always good to have young talent developing.
by hcblankscreen on Jul 24, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Same is true for Collins - even if he goes to the D league.
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both Lawal and Dwayne Collins will be signed
as will Scottie Reynolds.
they will comprise spots 12, 13 and 14 on the roster.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I believe Boston invited him to training camp - I don't think we invited him.
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I think he's going to Boston's training camp
played for them first.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, definitely we should sign him
And, early returns on him are positive. But it’s too soon to say what he’ll become.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 24, 2010 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Would everyone who says “Collins” mind specifying which Collins, by including a first name or initial? I’m still used to thinking of Jarron Collins, and when I see “Collins,” he’s the first person who comes to mind.
I mean, but that he’s too experienced, Jarron Collins is a poor enough player to go to the D-League and possibly benefit from it…
Think of it this way
Jarron Collins is a Unrestricted FA, so unless he is resigned he is no longer on the team.
So if you hear Collins, it automatically applies to D. Collins.
But yeah we should just add the D or J… not like its to hard adding 1 more letter
In context, talking about Gani in the comment preceding, I figured it was obvious.
But for those who are confused, I did mean D, Collins. Our other draft pick. Who is also a PF. Like Gani.
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How could you be neutral about jared dudley?
he is the one player that you can rely on to never give up.
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
Okay, I see your point, and I do understand it, but I don't want to consider the fact that dudley might leave.
On a side note, I wish the suns could have made a deal to net jon brockman aka the brockness monster.
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
That would have been AWESOME.
If not for the sheer awesomeness of his Twitter updates.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 24, 2010 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Bkj
maybe you shouldn’t get so tied to any one player… it’s a business. It’s tough to keep a player on one team for his entire career.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, I just hate to see players just come and go; every player that have come and gone on this team I have loved (For the most part anyway, I didn't care when tim T. left)
So yeah, I understand that I shouldn’t get to ted to win player but I’m pretty much hopeless in that category
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Shaquille O'Neal
Have you read the Yahoo article suggesting that Shaquille O’Neal might be signed by nobody this season? This could be just what the doctor ordered for that lazy blob. What if he feels the shame and embarrassment appropriate for a former superstar with four rings being completely unwanted, and spends next season losing about a hundred pounds, developing a work ethic, learning to play, defense, and not talking?
too late for any of that
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Europe, man
Shaq should take his talents across the Atlantic to the Euroleagues. He could probably get a ridiculous contract and spread his face all over Europe. Europe needs some “me first” guys over there.
by ajotanelsona on Jul 24, 2010 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions
can i get opinions on
Kevin Love for Jared Dudley + Earl Clark + 1st round draft pick?
i’m a bit bored, trying to kill some time. (:
from a purely basketball standpoint?
Oh yeah. That would be a good deal for the Suns. Don’t think that the Timberwolves would part with him though. Their fans are suicidal enough. They’d have a Jonestown on their hands.
And I’m bored too.
Need more posts people!
now that they moved Jefferson
looks like Love is staying
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
oooooh
they’d have to be really high on beasley then, eh? (x
by luisandro1530 on Jul 24, 2010 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I kind of get the feeling that Sacremento is the team to be dealing with.
They have some good prospects at PF and C.
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care to elaborate?
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Their team is loaded with a ton of forwards/centers; they have a bright future ahead of them and with the likes of whiteside, thompson, and cousins waiting in the wings, it makes players like
landry and dalambert expendable. I think dali would be a very servicable back-up, but his expiring contract is worth 11 million. Also, all those big men made the services of Jon Brockman expendable, which is why he was traded. (They didn’t want to pay in excess of 1 mil for a player that would get 7 minutes at most a night.)
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right but they just acquired Dalembert
so I expect they will keep him. The others are prospects to develop, including Landry. not sure any of them get moved.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 24, 2010 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
No, they will probably look to dump him at the trade deadline if whiteside shows that he can play as a back up to DMC and doesn't need to spend a season in reno
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Funny, though I was really high on Landry, but when I looked at his stats, Warrick and he were dead even
in almost every category.
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Landry has improved as a scorer, his last season off the bench of houston really reflected that; I didn't like how
PW opted to have landry, a proven bench player start in place of the young and developing Jason Thompson.
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Wait a minute landry is 27 and has been in the L for three seasons, he is already two years away from his prime despite being in the league for such a short while;
I’d try and trade for landry because he is an expiring contract (three mil) re-sign him cheaply for four years and dump him after his contract season.
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
Hopefully in 5 years
The new CBA will have made trading away guys in their last year much less useful.
by hcblankscreen on Jul 24, 2010 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
so Landry and Warrick are the same age
and put up the same stats per minute…
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Kevin Love
i have no inclination if he’s available but he plays for the T-Wolves so Kahn is priobably willing to trade him if he completes his free agent signing of michael olokwandi.
...and would FIT in the Suns system
it doesn’t help us to get a plodder who can’t keep up. Remember we tried that…
So, I’d say Josh Smith and Anderson Varejao are at the top of the ‘available’ list
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its also possible that Jason Thompson
of Sacramento could he had if we gave up equal talent that made about the same money. Depends on what people think of Earl Clark.
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I've been looking at him - his stats look pretty good, but I don't know much about him.
Anyone have any input?
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I've always liked Jason Thompson.
I like Carl Landry a lot too, but when he was named the starter as soon as he got to Sacramento in place of Thompson, I thought they made a big mistake. Thompson can be a player that can average 13-14 PPG and 10+ RPG any given night. Plus, he’s mobile and blocks some shots.
I like him. Wanted him in a Suns uniform since his rookie season.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
But if it comes down to Thompson or Josh Smith,
It’ll be Josh Smith every time with me.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
sure, it just depends on the situation
I would trade:
Clark for Thompson (same salary)
Warrick for Brandon Bass (same salary – Bass better rebounder but shorter)
JRich for Josh Smith (nearly same sal, though other players would likely need to be included)
Amare’s TPE for Varejao
All 4 trades would net the Suns a PF that can rebound.
The problem with #1 ad #4 is that minutes get squeezed even further, with Clark being #11 on the depth chart and Amare’s TPE being #15, comparitively. Plus, with regard to #1, Thomspon has shown 0 ability to defend his man.
The problem with #2 is that Bass is short (6’8" for PF), so will be beaten by tall guys, ie. Lakers. he made his name on hustle, not talent.
The problem with #3 (Josh Smith) is we’d have to give up JRich, and few of us really want to do that.
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by Alex Laugan on Jul 25, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
But it's Josh Smith!
I’ve coveted him for yeeeaaars.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Childress to a much, much lesser extent.
But yes, I agree fully with that.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I’ll accept that. I suppose. :)
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions
...
and so should Jason Richardson.. I’m not sure why so many of you hate him, but he may be the team’s leading scorer next season. He’s a prime-time SG – great shooting, fantastic athleticism, fantastic dunks, acceptable defense – especially in the zone, and he was so damn clutch at the end of last season and during the playoffs last season.
I really see no reason to not like the guy unless you think he’s overpaid. But really he isn’t overpaid. This is a guy who has scored over 23 points per game in a season before. If the pieces fall in the right places, he might do it again next season.
Nobody hates Jrich, in fact it is the opposite, it is just that his contract is huge and expiring making him a good asset so that the suns could possibly trade for a solid, athletic big
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
we love Jason Richardson
but there’s a logjam at the wing and a shortage at PF and his contract is the most attractive for other teams.
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oh and if Jason Richardson gets 23 pts per game next season
the Suns are in big trouble. There are too many weapons on this team for any one guy to score his career high shooting jumpers.
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who to get as Lopez's backup: Brian Skinner
I see that Brian Skinner is a free agent. Unless he has re-signed with the Clippers (in which case he lacks self-respect), let’s bring him back.
Why in the name of god bring brian skinner back???? Dude, the guy has a golden beard and cannot score for his life, and he is also old;
what made you think of skinner?
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
Because he played well for the Suns once. Age means nothing here, and I don’t care about any facial hair except my own. And the Suns don’t need more offense unless they trade Jason Richardson.
I'd rather have a young, mobile big backing roblo up;that said, brian skinner is none of those and also isn'the an undersized pf?
we don’t need more of those.
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yep, 34 and 6-9, we don't need another undersized player trying to play PF
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Only officially. In reality, Channing Frye is no more a center than Hidayet Turkoglu is a power forward.
True...
A lot of people think of a center as a person who must dominate in the low post. While yes, that’s the traditional center, a backup center coming off the bench and stretching the defense out to the 3-point line is just as effective. More, one might say. Especially if we’ve got a work horse a la Lou (maybe Gani? Warrick?) coming in to knock some shots around in the paint.
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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 25, 2010 4:29 AM MDT up reply actions
(said that to support you folks who replied to species)
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I agree that Frye is our backup, and I think he is an effective, if non-traditional center.
I think what some are thinking of is the role Jerron Collins played last year – the deep backup, if you will.
I think the tendency for people here to stringently define positions (A PF HAS to get over 10 rebounds a game) is anti-intuitive in the Suns system. The success we saw last year was largely predicated on the way Gentry used Frye. I think the same potential is ther for Hedo to be a non-traditional PF – the article on Valley of the Sun illustrates the possibilities very well.
On the ‘deep backup’ question, there are very few free agent options. Fabricio Oberto, Sean Marks, the Collins bros, DJ Mbenga, – no great options. Does anybody know anything about Earl Barron?
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Lou means a lot - don't lose him
Folks, Lou is the kind of guy that makes the difference. We will lament his loss. I think he’s irreplaceable. Chemistry, hustle, focus. You can’t pay enough for those characteristics.
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TRADE NASH BEFORE HE STARTS SULKING
This team is going to be playing for a lottery pick. So old and talentless!!!!
Ooooh, you should be our new GM.
Or, maybe you should go play handball with your own feces in a nice, padded room. Wouldn’t that be nice? Your own room?
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Still licking your wounds from that 4-0 ass-whooping the Suns delivered to your team?
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