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Warrick's no Connie - but he's the new Hawk... err Hak

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He's Hakim Warrick

It kind of seems to me that with the loss of Amare, the trade of Barbosa and the acquisitions of Josh Childress and Hedo Turkaglu our boy 'Hak' has kind of been... how you say - maybe under-appreciated by some fans IMO.

Some people don't mention him when they talk about how they're excited 'bout next season - some people really want to trade him for... something I guess.  And so for those peeps and everyone else who just might not be that familiar with the 'Helicopter' let me give you the 'Skinny' (another nick-name) on our boy H-Dubb.

Jump it suckers.

Star-divide

I'm not going to get too crazy numbers-wise in analyzing the past with this guy, Seth had a good quick post about them here.  - this will be a lot of general information - some cool videos and sweet pictures but maybe you'll decide to give the guy a chance before you decide to ship him to Charlotte to try and get Boris Diaw back.

I will say this, I do think he has played on some bad teams and/or hasn't been used as efficiently as he could be.  But I look at it like this - Warrick is in reality, a replacement for Lou.  And though somewhere in my wild imagination Lou and his flowing locks are basically irreplaceable, Hakim is a very exciting and acceptable replacement.  You get that?  

Yeah yeah yeah - so he's not very good defensively because he's pretty lean - but he is long and explosive.  And I heard a juicy rumor that we might use the 'girly-zone' more often like an actual scheme this year instead of a last ditch effort to stop teams.  If that's the case - Warrick was meant to play defense that way, that's all he played his 4 years at Syracuse, his quickness and reach allow him to close out or provide dangerous weak-side help.  IMO.

But I said we wouldn't get too much into that...

SO born and raised in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - he's bounced around a few NBA teams (The Grizzlies, Bucks and the Bulls) as a contributor from the bench - bla bla bla lets check out his College days.

HAK WAS MEANT TO BE ORANGE

If you didn't know - Hakim Warrick was a four year player at Syracuse, where he earned his degree in Retail Management and Consumer Studies.Sportswarrick_medium

He looks good in Orange right?  (You were looking at the orange and not his crotch right?  You sick freak... stop looking)  But anyways - while at Syracuse he accomplished just about everything a college basketball player could ever want to accomplish, won a National Title - played with superstars - won the Big East tourney, made some timeless highlights, played ALL 4 YEARS, and had the opportunity to match-up against the most athletic hands in the universe... peep this old article I scrounged up exploiting my access to ASU's online Library connections!

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The great thing about Hakim's college career is that every year he improved and it was because he had a strong defined role on his team - I think that's something he can count on here in phoenix...

Now check some of his Syracuse highlights:

THE SHOE FITS

After watching that - can you see how valuable he might be running the floor with Goran or Nash always looking up?  He can flat out finish - he was projected to be a lottery pick early on in the 05' Draft, but teams were concerned that the only thing he could do was finish, so he fell to 19th.  But here in Phoenix - much like Lou he will be expected to finish and that will be his role.  Lou couldn't always finish - either because his hands were too small or because his hands were too goofy at times - Warrick can finish period.  

I do wonder about the energy - I hope he can emulate or at least prove a comparable substitute to Lou's hustle and grit, that is something that might be sorely missed.  But I have a keen feeling that Warrick's explosiveness and length will provide a special kind of energy and style to the second unit that we haven't seen quite yet.   Between Warrick, Chidlress, Dragic, and even Frye at times (and hopefully Frye more often) we have a bench that knows how to get to the rim, and in my estimation that is always a good thing.

I won't discount Warrick's mid-range either, it is definitely something he has improved on since joining the NBA - and with the Suns I have no doubt they will be asking him to continue to work on it and maybe even try to extend it if possible.   But first and foremost - I want and expect to see Hak jamming the ball every time with authority.

ROCK DA SPOT

Now let's take a look at some of his NBA highlights: 

Let me put it this way - Warrick has never played on a good NBA team.   With the Grizzlies he had decent numbers as a back-up, but with O.J. Mayo and Rudy Gay and Mike Conley, etc. there weren't too many 'pass-first' kind of guys.  Warrick needs a pass first kind of guy even though he can hold his own in face-ups or in the open court.  He would thrive in an environment where he was constantly being fed - with the Bucks he got a lot of lovin' from Jennings, but again was traded mid-season and the same story with the Bulls he never really got a chance to mesh with his new teams.

He is now on a 'pass-first' kind of team.  One that will feed him until he explodes. I believe he is the perfect type of player for the Suns style of basketball, and I've always thought so.   That means I'm smarter than you because the Suns (Alvin Gentry) wanted him too because they felt the same way.  Alvin has repeatedly praised Sarver for going out and getting the players that he (A.G.) said he wanted.  I got him.  We got him... err they got him and now we just have to wait and see what kind of surprises are in store for Planet Orange. 

I am extremely excited to see what kind of chemistry this team can cultivate and how that can translate with this deep group we have.  

And may there be many more tea-bags to come...

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What are your thoughts on HAK?

Do you think he'll be a good replacement for Lou?

 

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If you don't like him as a player for the Suns... at least give his Twitter account a chance - he's one of the more entertaining ball players I've seen.  Here are a few good ones.

Apparently he loves to play PS3 games online - ALL THE TIME.

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Apparently he hates geese - pretty funny 

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(Notice how he already has a picture of him in a Suns warm-up with Planet Orange colors prancing around his Twitter page - I think he's excited to be here)

Poll
Who is the player you are the most excited about seeing play this next year?
Hak
84 votes
Turkeyglue
171 votes
J-Chill
208 votes
The Slovenian Shark
293 votes
Other (list below and explain - you know the drill)
9 votes

765 votes | Poll has closed

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Great read.

I voted for Turkeyglue, because I think his play will be the most pivotal (of the guys in your poll) in how well we do this year.

That being said, I am still VERY excited to watch Warrick, and have been from the second we picked him up. He’s always seemed right on the cusp of breaking out, and I think the Suns have the ideal team to help him do so.

by iwasneveryoung on Jul 27, 2010 3:28 PM MST reply actions  

I'm excited to see what he brings too

I voted Dragic because it’s just so fun to watch his evolving creativity

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

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by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 1, 2010 6:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Awesome write-up, Euts.

I’ve been quiet about Hakim, but I have a really good feeling about him. Great character guy, great finisher… well, you already pegged it.
I’m more excited about Chill, but Hakim will give us a bunch of “Did you SEE that?!” moments and just might surprise us with some Lou-like intangibles.
Also, Girly Zone up in your face NBA!!!

"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Jul 27, 2010 3:30 PM MST reply actions  

Also, seeing Al Harrington with Hak's junk on his head is priceless. Thanks.

"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Jul 27, 2010 3:31 PM MST reply actions  

I thought it would be appreciated

by other twisted freaks like me – thanks for noticing

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Jul 27, 2010 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

He probably likes the softness of Hakim's scrotum☺

sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!

by Spit_Fire on Jul 27, 2010 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe it's squeezable like Charmin.....

Hakim, you may be able to make some money on the side….

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 27, 2010 5:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Upon first glance, I thought it was Eddy Curry.

THEN it would have been the best picture in the history of NBA pictures. At least top five.

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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 27, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

My thought exactly.

Man, Al’s let himself go since his Pacer days.
(Missing the point of the photo, I know.)

by yeahblah on Jul 28, 2010 7:34 AM MST up reply actions  

What amazed me is how much he looks like STAT on the finish...

He has almost the same explosiveness and goes straight up (and up) like STAT does…THis could work out after all…If he developes andy semblance of a jumper and improves at the line, he could be in for a 12-15 ppg averag this year…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 27, 2010 4:33 PM MST reply actions  

I meant to say J smith more

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 27, 2010 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

He can't jump like Josh...(39" vert)

But no other Power Forward in the NBA can either…Hakim looks like he is fairly close to Amare in terms of atleticism…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 27, 2010 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Here it says Smith’s vertical is 41

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 27, 2010 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I get it off draftExpress...I find them to be the most reliable...

It usually gives reach, vert, true height, etc…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 27, 2010 5:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Accordfing to Draftexpress, the players with the highest verts in the NBA:

PG; Nate Robinson – 43.5" (Well, I am not sure exactly what he is…)
SG: Vince Carter – 43" (Yeah maybe 7-8 years ago…)
SF: Jamario Moon – 43"
PF: Josh Smith – 39.5"
Center: Dwight Howard: 35.5"

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 27, 2010 5:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Here it says it's 39.5".

At least that’s what his predraft measurements listing says.

Bright Side of the Sun, for all things Phoenix Suns. Twitter: @iamtrevorpaxton

by Trevor Paxton on Jul 27, 2010 5:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Draftexpress is what I always go by as well..

I guess I forgot to add the " .5"

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 27, 2010 5:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Remember, leapins isn't all about the height of the jump...

It’s also explosiveness (ala Amare) and quickness off your feet (ala Marion)

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 27, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

True. Also have to take into account height of the player.

For example, Nate Robinson has one of the highest verticals, but due to being 5’9", it’s not as amazing as a 6’9" Josh Smith having a 39.5" vertical.

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by Trevor Paxton on Jul 28, 2010 2:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I love him now because he plays PS3.

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Jul 27, 2010 5:01 PM MST reply actions  

Can't wait to see Hakim in action.

I’m hoping the Nash & Hakim P&R can be at least 80% what the Nash & Stoudemire P&R was. For some reason, I’m hoping Hakim posterizes Amar’e when the Suns and Knicks meet, even though I like Amar’e.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 27, 2010 5:38 PM MST reply actions  

He is my favorite player the Suns picked up this summer

by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 28, 2010 10:53 AM MST reply actions  

great writeup Eut

Sorry I missed it earlier. I too think Warrick will be a bigger addition than people think.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 29, 2010 9:14 AM MST reply actions  

I think most people here have forgotten he's on the team.

     It’s posts like this that keep me coming back here every day, that keep me excited for the upcoming season. This guy is going to open some eyes this fall.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 29, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Too bad the frontpage fanposts listing is starting to get flooded with ridiculous trade ideas.

We need more insightful stuff coming from the fanposts about our current team and leave the trade ideas to Alex.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 29, 2010 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Trade ideas are not bad in themselves...

Some of our fans have had some thoutful insight and analysis,,,Howeer what we are seeing lately with trades that make about as much sense as an ass-cooler for an eskimo…It’s starting to make me angry

BTW, You wouldn’’t l;ike me when I’m angry…I start posting willy nilly and saying things that actually make sense…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 31, 2010 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

:D Really? Tell us how to make you angry.

by 8472species on Jul 31, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm really hyped up about Warrick.

And thank whoever pushed this back up into the top of the recent fanposts. Is there a video of the Suns introducing Warrick to the media? I’ve seen one for Turk and Childress, but not Warrick. Can anyone give me a link if they do?

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 31, 2010 10:53 AM MST reply actions  

i don't think he has been formally intro'd yet

he might not have been to PHX yet they might just do it when he comes to town before training camp.

by DaveJD on Jul 31, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm so happy to see this back on the front page.

You guys ROCK! I will buy you ALL – Seth, Wil, Justin, PanamaSun, Lamtrevorpaxton, wadogg10, Scott, and Alex beer. Good beer. Lots of really good beer.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 31, 2010 10:55 AM MST reply actions  

Sorry, watdogg10.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 31, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh, and beer for Eutychus!

I hope you are all drinking age…

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 31, 2010 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

I'll take a Mountain Dew

:)

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Aug 3, 2010 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

You got it. With extra dew.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 3, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

lol you messed up Trevor's name too.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 31, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I have this nagging sense of deja vu here.

Like I’m in a Christopher Nolan movie or something. Good post though. I agree with Sun Dog that he could score 15 or so. The problem is can he keep his guy to under 15 or so? And I’m glad someone finaslly had the courage to call out those fucking geese. They are a menace.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Jul 31, 2010 11:10 AM MST reply actions  

Indeed

With all the players we added, Warrick kind of got swept under the rug so to speak. It is interesting to say that he is our replacement for Lou, I had not thought of him like that before, but I can see what you’re saying.

It will be interesting to see how his game pans out in a Suns uniform.

by AcucracK on Jul 31, 2010 11:26 AM MST reply actions  

I've been pushing for Warrick to start as our PF instead of Turk

That looks a lot better to me.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 31, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

True

No idea how Hedo will like that idea though, and Warrick playing off the bench with the second unit might work out better with Dragic anyway.

Gentry has impressed me with his bench management since he took over, I am sure he will figure out w a way to get him in the mix with the starters.

by AcucracK on Jul 31, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

i think we'll see warrick come off the bench but play most of his minutes with Nash

and Turk start, but play most of his minutes with Dragic and the second unit- warricks best strength is pnr finishing so it only makes sense for him to play most of his minutes with the best pnr pg in the league.

by DaveJD on Jul 31, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

This is what gets me giddy...

Warrick is an extremely good finisher – even if that is all he can do (that’s what his critics say – but I know for a fact he has a great mid-range shot – if nothing else it’s at least 10000 times better than Lou’s), that is how Lou thrived with us besides bringing the batteries.

Warrick is exactly the type of player Dragic needs to have on the court with the second unit – Now imagine Dudley and Channing out on the perimeter and warrick and Childress hovering and slashing through the key, with Dragic probing and penetrating you will definitely have to pick your poison.

Now it’s pick your poison with both the starter squad and the bench mob. I love it. Love Warrick too.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Aug 3, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

The view from Chicago

The pluses - Will play well the first few games of the season. Looks good dunking the ball
The minuses - This is one of the softest players I have observed. Never gets a tough rebound. Melts at crunch-time. Has the knack of missing impact making shots. Sleep walks at times so you do not notice him.
Summary – a non-impact player who will fade into the backgrand.

by chgobr on Jul 31, 2010 11:34 AM MST reply actions  

I appreciate the view from Chicago.

But your post is all in the past tense. Sarver, Kerr, and Gentry obviously saw something in him. The Suns have specialized in getting the most out of players who were ignored or misused in other systems. So while I don’t disagree with your assessment of his time in Chicago, I’m looking forward to seeing what he does in Phoenix, playing alongside Nash, Dragic, and Hedo. He will get his chance – if he doesn’t grasp it, we have several players waiting to compete with him.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 31, 2010 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for letting me post!

Kerr did a surprisingly good job after the Porter/Shaq fiasco. Nash also can make anyone look good so Warrick may do better with you guys than he did with us. However, we went through a horrible injury spell last year with Rose, Hinrich, Noah, Deng injured and Tyrus traded to Charlotte. We were desperate for decent minutes from a PF. This was a perfect opportunity for Warrick to help and he was just awful.

by chgobr on Jul 31, 2010 12:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I think anyone who posts here with valuable insight is welcome -

although I don’t speak for the site.
     Looks like you have an exciting year coming up – the Bulls made a lot of improvements, and you had a very good core to build on.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 31, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Well - being traded mid-season isn't the greatest thing for anybody

Just ask Jason Richardson -

He was less and I mean horribly less than impressive in the half season we had him when he was first traded. But this last year he exploded into the scorer that we all wanted him to be and he was vital in our playoff run. He attributed everything to being comfortable with the team since he was able to go through training camp and be a part of the team the whole year instead of being the new kid on the block because of a mid-season trade.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Aug 3, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the insight.

It was a pretty small sample-size in Chicago though, right? Hey, if PHX can resurrect Grant Hill, make Shaq an all-star again and turn castoffs like Dudley and Frye into key rotation players, the view on Hakim is pretty sunny from here. Seriously, it’s really sunny and hot here. Can’t wait for October.

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by RMason on Jul 31, 2010 12:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

88 days until opening night

I think the first week’s schedule is out Tuesday, August 3rd and the complete schedule is out August 10th.

by chgobr on Jul 31, 2010 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Which player am I most excited about seeing this year?

Steve Nash, easy.

But yeah, excited to see Warrick, I think he’ll do well.

by Toon Army Sun on Jul 31, 2010 12:03 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

H-Dubb

Where did the “H-Dubb” nickname come from?

It can’t be an accident that you chose a photo of Warrick shooting over Stoudemire. How apropos.

I respect players who bother going to college all four years and getting a degree. It presumably means he wanted an education.

by 8472species on Jul 31, 2010 12:17 PM MST reply actions  

yup - It's also his twitter name @hdubb21

Species – the pic was definitely intentional, I put some color effects as well to make the imagery even more marked. I hoped somebody would appreciate it!

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Aug 3, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm just glad

we still have someone who can throw down dunks that’ll make me jump off the couch. That’s the thing I’ll miss most about Amar’e, but from those videos, and the lack of Steve Nash in those videos, I think Warrick will be doing that a lot.

by iwasneveryoung on Jul 31, 2010 12:27 PM MST reply actions  

And could Warrick’s unimpressive defense have one of the same reasons as Amare Stoudemire’s—that Warrick’s coaches haven’t taught him to play good defense yet, or haven’t demanded it from him? The article points out that in college, all he knew was zone.

by 8472species on Jul 31, 2010 12:28 PM MST reply actions  

And maybe those bad NBA teams he played on were bad because the coaches didn’t teach defense.

by 8472species on Jul 31, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

i think warrick is more physically limited to good d than stat was

amar’e was 6’10 250lbs, warrick is an inch shorter and 30lbs lighter which sure makes a difference when playing D

by DaveJD on Jul 31, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

wow.

my hand hurts just watching that video.

he has some really, really nasty facials under his belt, we can only hope for him to improve his jump shot, range, and ft %. good to see ya in a Suns uni Hakim!

by Gremer Tiu on Jul 31, 2010 12:53 PM MST reply actions  

This shit is so damn hot hot

This shit is hot hot hot hot.

Nice post. Now I can’t get that song out of my head.

by East Bay Ray on Jul 31, 2010 1:00 PM MST reply actions  

I'm kind of neuteral on this one

Hakim seems like a good dude which is important but mostly he’s an offensive punch off the bench in the front court. He’s not a good rebounder and is undersized to defend most starting four’s.

He’s kind of an anti-Lou if you think of Lou being defensive energy off the bench. Hakim is like LB – offensive spark but in the front court. He can get hot w/ his mid-range game at times and he can certainly finish but he’s a solid piece on a team with lots of solid pieces.

Is that bad? No. Not bad at all. But I suspect by December there will be a lot more talk about the holes in his game and he will sort of fade to the background expect of the occasional really good game.

Again, there’s absolutely nothing wrong w/ that and I think his contract is fair considering. So you have a case where expectations and performance should be in balance.

Not expect much and you won’t be disappointed. Don’t be surprised when does some good stuff either.

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by Seth Pollack on Jul 31, 2010 1:50 PM MST reply actions  

That's reasonable

I remember seeing Warrick at Syracuse, where he was a star, and it didn’t take long watching his game to see his major flaw for the NBA game: power forward’s game in a small forward’s body. Having said that, as backup PF’s go, he’s a very good one. Career 10PPG on 49% FG shooting in 22 minutes is not too shabby. I also think it’s kind of funny how people say he’s such a great fit on the Suns. I agree. He is. But some of that is “yeah, he’s a poor rebounder and defender, but we’re used to that!” Haha.

Assuming our second unit will be Dragic, Childress, Dudley, Warrick and Frye, and we continue to play them as a whole unit together. we have lost interior defense with Warrick replacing Amundson, gained perimeter defense with Childress replacing Barbosa, and stand to score much more with the addition of Warrick and continued improvement of Dragic.

by East Bay Ray on Jul 31, 2010 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

warrick

nice article.. What I am liking about him is that compared to Amare, he seems to have a lot to have better footwork and seems to be a lot better ball handler. So while he may lack his overall offensive game, (the outside shot, the ability to draw fouls), he actually looks to have more potential than Amare as he has sounder fundamentals.

As for the defensive side, I haven’t watched this guy much. He moves very well and looks like a guy who understands how to defend. He also had 4 years at a major college, so again I think he has the potential to be a good defender. Compared to Amare’s stiff legged defensive stance, he looks to me to be more capable defensively. So again, he looks like a guy who has played on the wrong teams, may lack a bit of killer presence, and lacks the size to be a dominant 4. But skills wise, he looks easily competative with Amare or an Odom type.

by HarvMel on Jul 31, 2010 2:06 PM MST reply actions  

His athletic ability

is even better than Shawn Marion.

I think defense and rebounding is more mental determination than physical skills, so let’s see if he can show us those.

by paulimer on Jul 31, 2010 5:32 PM MST reply actions  

Paul’s comment reminded me of something I have wondered. Do you think Shawn Marion might come back to the Suns before his career is over? The way Dan Majerle did?

by 8472species on Jul 31, 2010 6:01 PM MST reply actions  

he can't provide anything now

more than the guys already on the roster. he’s a shadow of his former self.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 1, 2010 6:41 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Right, now I’d have to say Grant Hill is a better player than Marion. Yes, Shawn has fallen that far.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 1, 2010 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Grant Hill really sucks, Huh?

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by haremoor on Aug 1, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

No, its just that Grant is 6 years older than Marion. Just a few years ago, Shawn was one of the best players in the NBA averaging 20 and 12 while Grant was trying to make a comeback. A few years later Hill is now the better player than Marion.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 1, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Grant was always a good player.

Marion only averaged what he did because of his athleticism and Nash’s playmaking. But as he’s gotten older, his game is diminishing because age takes away that athleticism that made him special.

If you look at Kobe or Vince or even J-Rich for that matter, they used to be high flyers that could tear the rim down. Now Kobe only does 2 handed soft dunks. J-Rich occasionally shows off when he’s on a fastbreak but their athleticism is slowly diminishing. Which is why having real skills to compliment that athleticism works wonders with old age.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 1, 2010 3:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Marion was awesome athleticism AND awesome effort

He seems to have lost both to me. I.e., yes Kobe’s lost some athleticism, but he’s still elite because of his effort (and the fact that despite losing some athleticism, he’s still incredibly athletic). Marion lost his pogo stick hops and speed, and also turned into a guy who drifts through games at times. They’re probably very closely related anyhow.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 1, 2010 7:44 PM MST up reply actions  

No...

and I doubt the Suns would want him the way he cried himself out of town.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 1, 2010 6:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Do any of you think Warrick can emasculate opposing big men like Amar'e does?

Amar’e does it for a living so he makes up a great deal of the Suns’ top plays since NBA.com loves dunks. I hope Hakim Warrick does spectacular stuff and makes an appearance on Sportscenter.

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 31, 2010 7:58 PM MST reply actions  

I hope the Suns win 55 games

and I don’t care how many times ESPN or nba.com shows a Suns player dunking on the highlights.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 1, 2010 6:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I hope they win 55 too but dunks wouldn't hurt =)

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Aug 1, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

If they win 55 games, I might dunk on myself..

It’s always fun to be your own poster…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Aug 1, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Hedo

as mentioned earlier, he needs to play well for this team to exceed more than the rest of the new guys.
 Second for me is Childress.

by Grockcubs on Jul 31, 2010 8:07 PM MST reply actions  

I would rather have Lou as our backup Pf over Warrick, but who knows, Warrick could be better for us. I guess we need to give him a shot.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Aug 1, 2010 12:20 PM MST reply actions  

I voted for Childress...

Cuz he was hiding overseas getting paid when the Hawks were low balling him. Greek economy crashes so J-chill comes back and gets paid. Gets a multi-year contract just before a new CBA. The timing on his career choices is impeccable. He is a question mark who could be an exclamation point.

I know what Warrick brings to the table. He is considered a bust because his game never grew despite insane athleticism. He always schooled the Suns and he would often have to mach up against Amare. That is why the Suns signed him so quick (and for too much). They know his speed and dunks will fit well with the Suns. He won’t be expected to do much which also bodes well for him.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 1, 2010 6:05 PM MST reply actions  

Childress is going to be the biggest surprise of next year,

maybe even deserving a starting spot over J-Rich.

Now excuse me while I duck torches and pitchforks.

by waxmonkey on Aug 1, 2010 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it will be a tossup sometimes

between who I’d rather watch together: Nash and JRIch vs. Dragic and Childress

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 1, 2010 7:01 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed.

And on the defensive end, I will be more excited to watch the 2nd string try to shut ’em down.

I'd reply, but it'd only make you think I care.

by JeHa on Aug 1, 2010 7:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Dragic and Childress fresh against a second team will be devastating,

and it will make things even easier for Frye and Dudley and, I assume, Warrick.

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Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 1, 2010 7:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I think next year we'll find out

if good perimeter defense can hide/help below-average post defense.

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by Alex Laugan on Aug 1, 2010 8:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Depends on the opposition I suppose.

lucky for Suns that there are so few teams with above average offense in the post. Especially in the WC. Back to basket offense is rare these days in the NBA.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 2, 2010 7:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, Amar'e was never a back to the basket player,

but he was still one of the best post players in the game – he just faced the basket, and he made it work.
Back to the basket post play is boring to watch, anyway.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Aug 2, 2010 8:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I dunno, my heart skips a beat

every time Duncan banks one in.

"Somebody hits me, I'm going to hit him back. Even if it does look like he hasn't eaten in a while." - Chuck

by round_mound_of_rebound on Aug 2, 2010 11:09 PM MST up reply actions  

but do you know anyone else that can bank like timmay?

I don’t

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Aug 3, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

It can in the 2nd unit

since there aren’t that many post-up guys who come off the bench.

In the 1st unit… not so much.

by jc79 on Aug 3, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

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