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Fernandez or McGrady: Who Is A Better Option For The Suns?

In the spirit of boring summer days leading to overreaction...

Sam Amico tweeted yesterday that the Suns might pick up Tracy McGrady

@SamAmicoNBA: Cavs reportedly aren't interested in McGrady or Iverson, for what it's worth. Suns could possibly take a flyer on T-Mac.

Can I just say "Ugh"? Really? Tracy McGrady? I really hope he's pulling this out of thin air. He writes a weekly blog for suns.com, so maybe I'm giving him a little too much credit for having inside info from time to time. 

Given that McGrady is having trouble finding a team - he's been checked out personally by the Clippers and Bulls, who both passed - he's likely to get the league minimum to play (about 1.2 million for a veteran of his years). Yet he somehow sees himself as starter material (see below). I don't see how that works for the Suns.

Conversely, the Blazers are hard-shopping SG Rudy Fernandez, who makes about the same money - 1.2 million next season, and is younger by a long shot. See below for the clipping. He would have to be acquired via trade. To keep it simplest for this discussion, let's assume the Suns could only use part of Amare's TPE, and would send a future #1 pick for his services. That would leave 4.5 million available later (as opposed to 5.7 million currently left).

Time for a poll!  (maybe the Suns will read this and see what the fans think)

NOTE: please leave a comment to explain your reasoning.  I'm really unsure how I feel about either of these options, so I'd like to hear why people are voting one way or the other.

Star-divide

Here's a link to the Fernandez story

Blazers looking for a fast trade of Fernandez

At the urging of Rudy Fernandez and his agent, the Trail Blazers have engaged in accelerated trade discussions to deal the disgruntled, once- popular shooting guard to one of three Eastern Conference teams. Boston, Chicago and New York are all in the running to land the 6-foot-6 Spaniard, who set an NBA rookie record two seasons ago by making 159 three-pointers.

Some of the teams interested in Fernandez have offered a future first round draft pick, while other offers would pair Fernandez with another Blazers player, but agent Andy Miller would not get into specifics.

And here's where McGrady thinks he's a starter:

McGrady sees self as starter:

The veteran said he wouldn't mind joining Chicago as a reserve, but his preference would be to start.

"I won't have a problem, but that's not what I'm really shooting for," he said of a potential bench role.

"I think, yeah, if I was the player that I was in a Knicks uniform, I would have no problem coming off the bench, but I've worked extremely hard and I'm far from being that player. Trust me."

Poll
Assume for a moment the Suns DO want to sign a backup SG. Who would you rather have?
Tracy Mcgrady for league minimum (which preserves the 5.7 million TPE and draft pick)
428 votes
Rudy Fernandez via trade (use 1.2 million of TPE plus future #1 draft pick)
510 votes
Neither. Even if the Suns want to sign a backup SG, neither of these guys is worth it.
487 votes

1425 votes | Poll has closed

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by itkonlyyou207s on Aug 1, 2010 7:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

The suns are already

stacked on the wings…I don’t see either of these happening

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by Seth Pollack on Jul 28, 2010 8:34 AM MDT reply actions  

good, actually

I was worried when Amico tweeted that, right after writing a blog on the Suns. I thought maybe he’d heard something in the hallway…

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's in Cleveland

not in the Suns hallways :)

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by Seth Pollack on Jul 28, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

that said

I’ve always liked Rudy…he’s got far more upside than Dudley and would do very well in the Suns system as opposed to playing for that rigid McMillan system in Portland. But Suns can’t take him w/o clearing our a wing player.

With Rudy instead of Jared, Josh could get more minutes at the 3 and Rudy at the backup 2. It’s still not enough minutes to go around but Rudy is on a good rookie salary and could be retained as a RFA when that’s up.

This is all without seeing Josh play the 3 for the Suns so big grain of salt.

That’s all my speculation btw…haven’t talk to anyone about this

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by Seth Pollack on Jul 28, 2010 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

he couldn't be retained if he went to Europe

which by most accounts is where he’d want to go which is why i’d be cautious of giving up assets for him.

by DaveJD on Jul 28, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

he wants to go to Europe

to get out of Portland…I doubt he would leave an NBA situation where he was happy

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by Seth Pollack on Jul 28, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can see your point on Rudy

but I don’t like that he doesn’t play defense. He’s a d’Antoni player who will make you ooh and aahh for lots of different reasons – good and bad.

Properly focused though, he’s a great talent for 1.2 mil, as a backup. But I’d rather have Dudley than Rudy. Duds makes all the little plays that help you win. He’s like the opposite of Rudy.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

And besides, JD can shoot the three almost as good as Rudy, which is Rudy’s biggest upside.

by Lompe on Jul 28, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't see any upside of Fernandez over Dudz..

JAred is a smart player, hustles and doesn’t buck the system…I’ll take that any day over a European flash in the pan…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 28, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alex

The TPE was $16.5m how has it come down to $5.7 i thought it was $6.5m?

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by phxuk: Ap on Jul 28, 2010 8:35 AM MDT reply actions  

well

according to espn’s trade machine, it’s now down to 5.7

Here’s my guess:
16.5
- 4.25 (Warrick’s starting sal)
- 6.5 (Childress’ starting sal)

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Childress

Hoopsworld has got his salary for 2010-2011 at $5,765,000, oh well

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by phxuk: Ap on Jul 28, 2010 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

you know, your number sounds a lot more correct to me

very few players actually take the same money every season with no raises.

So maybe the TPE is higher, I don’t know.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Childress and Hedo took up about $10 mil of that TPE

and I’m pretty sure Warrick took up none. Suns just signed him outright because he was unrestricted.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 2, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

McGrady could pull a Shaq/Grant Hill and rejuvenate his career here

he could also mess up the team chemistry but if it was on a non-guaranteed contract there’s really no risk is there? As for Fernandez i like him as a player but i really don’t think he fits here, we just don’t have the minutes for the guy and as he seems like he wants to bolt back to spain giving up a first rounder for him might not be the smartest move.

by DaveJD on Jul 28, 2010 8:43 AM MDT reply actions  

any messing with chemistry is a risk

all it takes is one person to screw it up

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

TMAC is a lazy player. Please do not put him in a Suns uniform

If he is a starter, why is every team he tries out for passing on him.

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by RGreyslak on Jul 28, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Unless he can be magically transformed into a power forward...

Send his happy ass on…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 28, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

reunion of hill and tmac?

nightmare, way back on orlando…
but who knows? it might work this time…

by Christian_33 on Jul 28, 2010 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

The only way I can see McGrady help us

is if he can be our backup 4. But I don’t know. Is he better than Hakim Warrick at this point?

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jul 28, 2010 9:01 AM MDT reply actions  

McGrady is not a 4. he's a tall SG. Always has been.

so then you’re answer is ‘no thanks’, then?

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well in our system we don't need 4's to be 4's

McGrady can shoot, can pass and can kind of rebound. Of course he can’t guard Gasol and he can’t post people up. But… maybe he’d be fine as a backup 4, on our team.

But I don’t think that’s enough to keep him happy. And again, we have Fropez/Turk/Frye/Warrick/Clark at the 4/5 already.

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jul 28, 2010 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think he's as much of a 4 as TurkeyGlue is

Rudy over T-Mac, but I’d like either one of them here.

by beastattack3000 on Jul 29, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

so Steve Nash manages to get 6 rpg?

and Steve Nash is 6’8?

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by Jaxis on Jul 28, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe i was not clear.

No way in hell is TMAC ever or will ever be a PF. That is as likely as Nash playing PF to me.

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by RGreyslak on Jul 28, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know TMac is not a 4

But if we believe Hedo can play it, so can TMac

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by Jaxis on Jul 28, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

HMMMMMM...

6’9", terrible attitude, out of shape and past his prime…let’s do it!!!

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 28, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Come to think about it, we're quite stacked

… of decent-to-good players

Starters: Nash-JRich-Hill-Turk-Lopez
2nd unit: Dragic-JChill-Dudley-Warrick-Frye

All those guys deserve PT.

And we have Clark and our sort-of-promising rookie(s) that we can hopefully develop. Signing more half-decent veterans would just push some deserving players out of our rotation, screw up the chemistry… and our young won’t even get to play in garbage time.

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jul 28, 2010 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

agree

I was just knocked off-kilter off by the tweet from a reporter mentioning McGrady… and then decided that if the Suns DID want a SG, which would be better…

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

To make it clear

my previous comment wasn’t trying to imply that your post is pointless. It’s the freaking offseason. I was almost expecting someone to write a post about our recent “chemistry issues”:

http://twitter.com/jrich23/status/19601065011

I mean, how can JRich say such things to a teammate!!

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jul 28, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

twitter is blocked at my work

what’s the tweet? can you post it here?

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jrich's tweet

“@JaredDudley619 u tripping. Drake is an aiight R&B album waiting on him 2 drop a Rap one. Only one suspect song on Teflon Don, 7 on Drake’s.”

by tptman on Jul 28, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think they should take a shot at Macgrady

The Lakers took a shot at Artest and made it work. I bet many people here didn’t want Artest when he was available. Good teams make players work period. Macgrady is a bargain and low risk and a playmaker. I understand the reasoning not wanting him but your practically getting him handed to you, there’s a difference.

by jay16 on Jul 28, 2010 9:51 AM MDT reply actions  

Yea, thats a good point.

But geez your getting a guy capable of scoring in the 4th quarter for cheap. I look at it like this. You sign him to a contract similiar to Terrel Owens in Cincy. One year deal. If he can make it in the post season you have his long arms, Hedo’s and Hill’s to cover Kobe Bryant. Thats 3 fresh guys.

by jay16 on Jul 28, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

I only see this move happening

If the intend to move Warrick and JRich for a PF.
C – RoLo
PF – David West??
SF – Hedo Turkoglu
SG – Tracy McGrady
PG – Steve Nash
Bench
Goran Dragic
Josh Childress
Jared Dudley
Gani Lawal
Channing Frye
Scottie Reynolds

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by Jaxis on Jul 28, 2010 9:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Sorry but...

who in their right mind would trade JRich (our playoff hero, who is healthy and can still put up 20-25 as a primary/secondary option) for TMac (an injury prone former starter who doesn’t have the knees like he had 6-7 years ago)? IMHO I just don’t think that makes much sense. Yes, our training staff is ridiculously amazing and rejuvenized Nash’s, Hill’s, and part of Shaq’s career. However, I think we have enough depth at the 2s and 3s. We need the 4. That’s our priority right now.

by daflash26 on Jul 28, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

We don't trade Jrich for TMAC we trade JRich for David West

god. Get rid of JRich and Warrick for West and a filler and you can get Gani Lawal into the rotation and give Childress and everyone else more minutes. JRich averaged 15 ppg this season, not 25, he has NEVER averaged 25.

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by Jaxis on Jul 28, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah i caught that...

I didn’t mean to insult you. But what i meant was that JRich is far superior than what TMac is now because of he is injury prone. I didn’t mean that JRich scores 25 a night for the suns, but what i meant was that he can if he was a primary/secondary option on another team. He was not the primary/secondary scorer. In his GS and CHA days, he had three seasons of averaging 20+ points a night. I’m saying that overall JRich is a valuable asset to the team, and should not be replaced with the eventual signing of TMac. I understand that your theory is to trade JRich for David West, but I don’t feel comfortable with throwing Gani in the rotation while he has yet to prove himself in an actual NBA game, not summer league. I’m just playing the other side. I would have loved to have TMac on the team several years ago when he was in his prime, but right now he’s nowhere near that. Sacrificing JRich for West and an injury prone TMac doesn’t sit well with me. You’re allowed to think otherwise, but this is just my opinion. Sorry for the confusion.

by daflash26 on Jul 28, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think we need to aim so high

any SG we get now is basically only going to play garbage time/mop up minutes so we don’t need a Fernandez/McGrady who could affect chemistry if he doesn’t play. All we need is effectively a Sg version of Jarron Collins, a guy who doesn’t need to play and won’t make a fuss if he doesn’t but will come in and contribute to the best of his abilities when he gets the minutes. A guy like Kyle Weaver would be great in the that role, hell even bring alando tucker back as all we need is a practice player/ injury replacement who will go hard and not complain.

by DaveJD on Jul 28, 2010 10:04 AM MDT reply actions  

the only way id support this is if it somehow gets us closer to nabbing a POWER forward somewhere down the line

we need more power in the lineup. power wins championships. along with defense. and rebounding, and grit. and “intangibles”. and winning the “coaches battle”. and sasha vujacic, apprently (BLEGHHHHHH throwup in mouth)

Must start LB! Oh wait...

by yanyanman2 on Jul 28, 2010 10:09 AM MDT reply actions  

I don’t understand. Why do we keep hearing all these rumors about adding this guy or that guy? Were already stacked. Our rotation is 10 deep and every guy can play 20-25mpg. There is no more room!

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jul 28, 2010 10:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Ha

Yea, the roster is pretty stacked. In general, I think Tracy deserves another chance where ever he goes whether its the Suns or anywhere else. I would hate to see him land in L.A because I would think that somehow he would vitalize his career there.

by jay16 on Jul 28, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

+10000

Rudy doesn’t defend and T-Mac is a washed-up bum trying to become relevant again. What we need is a motherf*ckin’ 4 and a goddamn motherf*ckin’ 5 who can provide a “post presence” when our only true 5 goes down.

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by Spit_Fire on Jul 28, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, I feel pretty good...

I don’t know about, Spit_Fire, but I’m okay…

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 28, 2010 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeeya

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by RGreyslak on Jul 28, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

If we needed a SG, I’d say get Rudy for that price. Fact is, I don’t think we do. I’d rather we signed Dowdell as a back up PG and played Dragic more at the 2, as well as those wings which we have a glut of.

T-Mac, just no.

by Toon Army Sun on Jul 28, 2010 10:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Neither

I think T-Mac is done. He did nothing in NY – where he doesn’t even have to play defense ;-). He put up stats in Houston, but I was never sold on him. I don’t think Fernandez is worth a future 1st. We need to stockpile picks, not trade them.

by JR_One on Jul 28, 2010 10:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Gotta wonder though...

just how awesome a job could Aaron Nelson do on T-Mac? Or is he beyond repair?

by Toon Army Sun on Jul 28, 2010 10:35 AM MDT reply actions  

The problem with T-Mac is also between his ears

And Nelson can’t do much to fix those sorts of things.

by jc79 on Jul 28, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

All docs should know how to perform a lobotomy...

Just stick the scapel up in there and stir it around….

STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....!

by Daryl Ray on Jul 28, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

We should keep the draft pick

Even though Rudy is a better player, I would rather keep the pick, and sign T-Mac for the league minimum. And have the Suns training staff fix him up, if possible, and see what we get from him.

But if we don’t get T-Mac, we really don’t need any more wings.

by Aluminum Foyle on Jul 28, 2010 10:35 AM MDT reply actions  

We need another BIG man

NOT another wing. Lopez has a bad back, and Frye is a toothpick. Amare’s gone, and Lou is still sitting out there, we need re-sign him.

by Aluminum Foyle on Jul 28, 2010 10:41 AM MDT reply actions  

nah he's just feeling jilted

the Suns have no room for him, at the moment.

If, for some reason, the Suns suddenly had room and offered him an okay contract, I’m sure hed jump at it and everyone would be happy. But unless that happens, he’s not coming back.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

We have too many wings

and not enough big guys, we can easily make room for him.

by Aluminum Foyle on Jul 28, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

minutes-wise, I mean

the 10 guys we already have deserve more minutes than Lou, IMO

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Clark, Lawal, D Collins

or the vet big that the Suns are going to sign.

and what if JRich or Nash get hurt? we need the guys we have

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

No offense intended Alex, but.....

You have officially jumped the shark in the “should we get this guy?” posts.

by East Bay Ray on Jul 28, 2010 11:06 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I told you all

its summer, and I’m bored…

and I was just linking a few things together.. rather than making up crap in my head (completely, that is)

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

and frankly I think the whole thing is preposterous

given the current roster, but I didn’t want to taint the voting. I’ve seen lots of bluster for McGrady and a little for Fernandez, and given today’s clippings I read…

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like your "should we get this guy" articles. =)

It’s a lot better than the trade proposals that get posted on in the fanposts. Some of the most far-fetched proposals that don’t benefit our team in any way are actually serious ones, which is really starting to get annoying. (i.e. Delonte West, Gilbert Arenas, CP3)

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by NashMV3 on Jul 28, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree, but don't be too flattered by that

It’s like saying you put up better stats than Taylor Griffin. Some of the fanposts are truly ridiculous.

by East Bay Ray on Jul 28, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind McGrady actually

The reality is that TMac is a really REALLY cheap JRich. I mean, if we signed him for a 2 year team option in the 2nd we would have a great SG backup to fill in where Rich’s absence would be if we traded him for, say, Josh Smith in the middle of the season. I am not sold on TMac’s ability to play well yet but if he is even HALF the player he used to be that is enough to satisfy the needs of the position. The issue would be how do we work out position issues until then? Where would everyone play!?

 I guess its good to have these problems instead of the reverse where we don’t have enough talent and are constantly picking up second strings from the dregs like Mike D used to do.

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by N8lol on Jul 28, 2010 11:19 AM MDT reply actions  

HA!

I was just looking at our possible lineups…imagine this!

Nash – PG
Rich – SG
Dudley – SF
Hedo – PF
Frye – C

HA!!!! How bad would it be to have your WORST shooter on the floor be Jared Dudley!! I mean seriously. This lineup is easily the best shooting one in the league.

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by N8lol on Jul 28, 2010 11:23 AM MDT reply actions  

I'd put my $ on Dudley over Hedo

Hedo is just “known” for hitting big shots. His numbers are decent but not THAT great.

But I get what you’re saying.

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Jul 28, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please no McGrady

McGrady is injury prone and comes with baggage…He would put quite a damper on the great chemistry we have attained with our two vets in Grant and Steve, and how they have mentored the young guys to be “team first” type of players.

I wouldn’t mind Rudy Fernandez, but I wouldn’t want to give up a first round pick to do so. I think he could fit well in our system though if we could attain him for a reasonable price (2nd round pick).

by 7footer on Jul 28, 2010 11:27 AM MDT reply actions  

no

Neither of these players plays good defense.

by 8472species on Jul 28, 2010 11:28 AM MDT reply actions  

I would take a chance on T-Mac because we have Aaron Nelson. You gotta keep in mind people thought Shaq’s career was over and with the help of Nelson made Shaq an all-star..If he can do the same to T-Mac and he becomes the 25 ppg player he use to J-Rich becomes expendable to get a good power forward

by Lebrontophx2010 on Jul 28, 2010 11:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Will everyone stop...

We’d be cutting off our nose to spite our face. JRich is NOT expendable and we need to actually KEEP our draft picks for a change. We need small tweaks, not a major overhaul.

by FunInTheSun on Jul 28, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't need 'em

Like others have said, we’re deep at SG/SF. So unless we’re planning on moving someone…which I think would destroy the chemistry we have, this just doesn’t make any sense. The only position we should be looking at is either PF or C. And unless the person’s name ends in Gasol or Garnett, I don’t think it’s worth giving up anything. And yeah that includes Josh Smith too. We just don’t have to right now.

by FunInTheSun on Jul 28, 2010 11:53 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Sorry to tell you but

we need to start rebuilding, soon. Nash is 36 and Hill is 38.

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TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Jul 28, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

And we have viable replacements for both.

Last year WAS a rebuilding season. We just did it very quickly and very well.

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by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not rebuild per se, but restructure the team; our future lies in the hands of dragic, roblo and clark. All of whom are solid building blocks for the future,

that said, we don’t have the talent needed to build a championship team once hill and nash retire; that’ll be when we need to restructure.

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by Bkj on Jul 28, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

It better not lay in the hands of Clark

with him bricking all those shots.

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TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Jul 28, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Disagree. with that core, and Frye and Childress signed for several years,

We just have to lock up a couple of the other guys who perform well in order to keep on winning. We are not going to become a lottery team when Nash and Grant leave.

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by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Remember Sarver saying

he wants a franchise player, well, he’s going to need to make some trades to do that.

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TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Jul 28, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you're both saying similar things

picking up one franchise player at the right time is not rebuilding. And having a lot of talent on the roster, some of which duplicates itself, helps in the assets department to make that trade. When the Lakers got Gasol, that wasn’t a rebuild. When the Pistons got Rasheed Wallace in 2004, that wasn’t a rebuild. All were getting that piece that put them over the top via trade, while not having to completely gut the roster to get that piece.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

When Steve and Grant drop off the payroll,

we’ll have the money to sign a free agent. If Warrick, Clark, Gani, and D. Collins all develop, we’ll have a lot of trade bait. Sarver has been very clever so far.

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Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ok, so let's run with the rebuilding thing

Other than Nash and Hill, we’ve got a lot of youth. Goran, Dudley, JRich, Frye, Warrick, JChill, Dudley, Clark. So beyond the reasons I’ve already provided, why would we bring in another older player with a lot of wear and tear on the body?? And if we consider Rudy…is he really any younger than JRich, Dudley or JChill?

My point is right now, we have a good mix of vets and youth. So we’d like to replace Amar’e. Well, we knew going into all of this that there’s not an Amar’e replacement out there who’s available and affordable. But we don’t need to mess up what we have. Would it be good to have Fernandez…maybe. But what do I have to give up, and what do I gain that I don’t already have???

IMHO, we don’t need to do it because the risk outweighs the possible upside.

by FunInTheSun on Jul 28, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

if Fernandez wants to go home, let him

Assuming it’s true that Fernandez wants to go back to Spain, it’s unwise to get a player who wants to be elsewhere.

by 8472species on Jul 28, 2010 11:57 AM MDT reply actions  

To answer the proposed question

Rudy would be a better option, by far. His game stagnated in Nate’s system, which is like being stuck behind a senior citizen on the freeway, and ended up in a situation not unlike Hedo’s in Toronto. His skills would be very useful in Alvin’s system and he would most likely rejuvinate his career.

However, the only logical way to make room for him would be to move Dudley. Even though it makes more sense on paper, I still say no way. With the countless games that were turned in our favor through Dudley’s hustle and 3 bombs, I doubt that Rudy would be an improvement.

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by RMason on Jul 28, 2010 12:08 PM MDT reply actions   3 recs

+1

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by RGreyslak on Jul 28, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

no moving Rudy for Dudley. Dudley gives hustle, plays D, and shoots threes. Rudy just shoots 3s.

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TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Jul 28, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who you callin 'you people'?!

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- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Jul 28, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Steve Nash is my mancrush. But Goran Dragic is the 2nd coming of Manu Ginobili, which makes him just as tasty.

by NashMV3 on Jul 28, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

T-mac for sure, he can make plays for other players and can hit big threes; the guy has had a while to work off the after effects of the surgery and I’d be more than willing to sign him as long as he drops his ego.

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by Bkj on Jul 28, 2010 12:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Not really, with the suns he knows that he'll make it back to the playoffs and possibly into the second round;that'll make him drop his ego for sure.

Playing next to nash and hill can really whip him into better shape, as a player.

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 28, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty steep argument you're trying to make, Bkj.

You’d have better luck selling 50 cents for a dollar than trying to sell TMac’s character and commitment.

"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Jul 28, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fair point, but if Mr. Ego is willing to take vets minimum to come off the bench

then I’m confident he can drop what is left of his ego

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 28, 2010 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

the comment to poll vote ratio is staggering

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 28, 2010 12:17 PM MDT reply actions  

one of the closest poles I’ve seen in while

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 28, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

The only trade/aquisition posts I've seen on here lately all make the Suns worse.

Why should we do that? We have a good plan – why abandon it?

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I know, I know.

But when I’m bored, I find that stabbing myself in the ear repeatedly with an icepick isn’t a solution.
I get it, really I do. It’s just that some of these trades that have been proposed (not in your posts, Alex) would turn us into the Clippers. I guess I’m mostly talking about the fanposts. Some of those are doozies.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol, I agree, if you want a good sg, you already have a premier one in jrich and if he can maintain the way he played in the playoffs

during teh regular season, he’ll be worth the 14 mil that he is getting payed.

For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.

by Bkj on Jul 28, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

oooohhhh

I can’t wait! Make a poll, ok?

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alex,

You should make a post where we trade everyone on our team for the craziest most unstable players in the league, and combine it with the ‘re-naming the Suns’ post. I bet we’d come up with some great names.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alex,

You should make a post where we trade everyone on our team for the craziest most unstable players in the league, and combine it with the ‘re-naming the Suns’ post. I bet we’d come up with some great names.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was wierd.

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Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about this...

Bring in a frontline of Brendan Haywood, Drew Gooden and Richard Jefferson and rename the team the Phoenix Bald Eagles.
You’re right, that was fun.

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- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Jul 28, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

but then the #1 draft pick we would "earn"

from having those empty-stat players in our rotation, the prospective player might not want to sign with a bunch of baldies

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Joining the Suns would be like joining the Army.

Everyone gets their head shaved before they receive their uniform.

"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Jul 28, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just replace the shampoo with 'Nair'.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brilliant.

There was the proposed “Hair Force One,” and it’s bizarro counterpart would be “Nair Force One.”
And they could hire Mike Brown to coach.

"I make my case against a stack full of comics. Here comes the line.... I'm loaded with rocket fuel!!"
- Mike Watt, The Minutemen

by RMason on Jul 28, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

ok, now im back to work...

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by RGreyslak on Jul 28, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

we could actually have the yin-yang team

where every player either has crazy hair or no hair at all

splitting up for intrasquad scrimmages would be easy…

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

then we have to get vujicic...

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 28, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

and shave his head

"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."

by 2NASHTY on Jul 28, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

He must have a whole body wax.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 28, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rudy > TMac

But the only way we want EITHER of these guys is if we are trading JRich, which probably ain’t happening right now. Maybe at midseason.

by jc79 on Jul 28, 2010 12:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Rudy for Dudley
Tmac for vet min
I don’t see how JRich is involved in this.

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TURRIBLE!

by Jaxis on Jul 28, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

well he left Toronto and Orlando in rush

really pissing off their fans and team

and then got run out of Houston because the Rockets figured out they could win as a team, rather than watching him jack up shots.

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by Alex Laugan on Jul 28, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oooooh weee.

i never really followed him closely but from a basketball-side of things, maybe he can come here and resurrect into a solid contributor like Grant. Who knows? Maybe he can even prove he can be a starter around mid-season which would ease our burden of trading away J-Rich for a power forward. Maybe playing around great people like our Suns can help settle his superstar ego.

then again, it’s alot of questions & maybe’s.

Even Sasha's mom loves Goran.

by luisandro1530 on Jul 28, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not good enough

Anyone short of Josh Smith or another proven power forward is a waste of time and money. We don’t want to end up like the Atlanta with Diaw sitting at the end of their bench or Charlotte and doing the same with Dudz. We need to play our rooks to see if they actually have potential or ship them off. T-mac is worthless and Rudy would just be replacing someone of equal or better value. We need to focus on our team as it is right now until a monster deal comes along that can nab us a quality PF.

by skildne on Jul 28, 2010 3:31 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

If we didn't get Josh Childress

I would sign McGrady because I really think the training staff and having veteran leadership, plus a player’s coach in place would dispel any negativity McGrady could bring to the team. He could be another player who can distribute the ball to lighten Nash’s load. I think the guy is a little full of himself but what superstar (in this case, former) isn’t? I really don’t think he is much of a head case and people put him out to be. Never once when Tracy was trying to advance the Rockets in the playoffs did I think: “Wow, this guy is a total team distraction and he isn’t playing to his fullest ability.”

With that being said, we just have no room on our team to give him any valuable minutes which I think would make him a a little cranky. I mean, this guy 2 years ago was playing at a SUPERSTAR level, no if, ands, or buts about it. If we had the space, sure but I would really like to give Tracy the chance to prove himself somewhere. Perhaps Golden State could be a golden opportunity for him. The same goes for Rudy, I would hate to pick him up to just see him ride the pine or take minutes away from Childress who may have a short adjustment period getting used to NBA basketball.

However, If we are floating Dudley around for a veteran big man then I would be fine picking up either one of these guys, I just think the more cap space the better especially with the new CBA around the corner.

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by TheRza82 on Jul 28, 2010 6:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Keep Lou . . .

Keep Lou . . . Suns seem to be overloading and looking
toward obtaining more, new and prone to be moody players.
Unless, Gentry is a socialogist, he may be in over his
head with this new scoring chemistry. There is only one
ball and Lou seems to know how rebound and defend.
He gave us a great year for which he should be rewarded
with another. Bottom line, we seem to have enough
scorers . . . keep Lou!

by Thinkmink on Jul 29, 2010 11:16 AM MDT reply actions  

Lou won't get the money or minutes he deserves in Phx.

I think some other teams are missing the boat, and maybe we’ll end up with him here again, but it will be as the backup to the backup center – that’s the only position we have left, unless Gani and/or D. Collins totally bust.
     I love Lou, and would like to see him back, but he deserves to play, and he won’t here.

Auntie Em: Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog.
Dorothy

by haremoor on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

We should pay Lou again for last year.

Then he’d at least get the back pay he earned.

by waxmonkey on Jul 29, 2010 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's too bad that Blazers waited this long to show their hand on Rudy

The Suns could have got Bayless and Rudy for 1/2 of what Childress is making and not been bogged down with a long term contract.

Both Bayless and Rudy fit perfectly in Suns system. Plus J-Bay is a Phoenix kid. Oh well, too late now.

Funny how big a difference a year makes. 1 year ago the Blazers were turning away offers left and right for Rudy. Now all they can get is a late first rounder at best.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 2, 2010 1:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Amazing how many people still think MeMac can ball...

Please let me borrow your time machine so I can invest in a few web sites and real estate ventures.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Aug 2, 2010 1:59 PM MDT reply actions  

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