Suns Uncertainty: A Guide to 2010-2011 Anxiety
It would probably best to wait and think things through before wondering aloud, but I have little patience and too many questions that have been keeping me up the past two nights, so I thought I'd dump all this on my pals at BSOTS in an exercise of, well, impatience.
No doubt many of us are asking the same questions and none of us have answers, but we certainly have opinions. So, feel free to take a stab at any of these questions. Here I go:
- The Suns have more time to pick up a player or two but not much money to spend. Most of us feel that Nash is the engine that makes the Suns go, but now we're going to see for real how big of a factor Amare was for the Suns. Can the Suns replicate their WC Finals appearance next season without him?
- Steve Nash will be 37 years old next season. The nagging back problems have caused him to miss some games, but he is still one of the top PGs in the league. Can Steve Nash help make Hakim Warrick into a 20 ppg guy?
- I used to witness Amare pick up 4 or 5 rebounds a game and play like he didn't care too much about winning. I'd be ready to criticize the crap out of him and then I'd look at the box score at the end of the game, and he'd have 25 points. Obviously that 20+ppg needs to come from somewhere. Can Hakim Warrick pick that up in the Suns system? Which leads me to the next question:
- Will other Suns step up now that there's no Amare to feed the rock to? Will Nash be forced to score more in order for the Suns to win? You get where I'm going ... who will pick up the scoring slack, if anyone?
- Does Amare's exit make Leandro Barbosa more expendable or more important? We're talking offense here obviously, and we all know LB can put up points in a hurry. Of course, now that he's healthy it may be best to get rid of his contract, susceptibility to injury, and overall one dimensional skill set, but the Suns wouldn't exactly be selling high.
- Where does Earl Clark fit in the mix? I know how Steve Kerr felt about Clark, but Kerr's gone. Will Clark platoon with Warrick at PF? Can he play well enough to platoon at PF? Is he a PF? Now that I think about it, he's probably going to be put on the spot from the get-go. He's not a rookie anymore, and he's going to get a shot to prove himself. Will he press and disappoint? Will he not press and disappoint?
- How well did the Suns draft? Gani Lawal is supposedly "raw," and many think Dwayne Collins won't make the team. Can either of them earn minutes and contribute in their rookie season in place of STAT?
- Is Taylor Griffin going to admit he's balding and shave his head?
There are no doubt more questions and no certain answers right now. What did I miss? Feel free to let out your concern and anxiety.
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they play in the Western Conference which is loaded with good teams. No 50 win season for the Suns this coming year. Get ready to root for an exciting young team that will not win over 40 games.
we said the same thing last summer too
and in the fall of ’05, when Amare went down with microfracture.
Don’t put it past Nash and Hill to lead this team further than we expected, once again.
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hey Wil
4 in the morning? Geez.
now was that a get-up-early, or stay-up-late thing?
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it was a scheduled post.
Stories can be scheduled to publish at a later time. You can always tell because no one schedules their posts at 4:03 AM or 11:23 PM… etc.
Actually, both
I did program the post for 4 AM, but strangely I woke up at the same time for no good reason.
Then I checked to see if it posted and realized it had but it wasn’t on the front page.
This caused me a good 15-20 minutes of pure confusion and further anxiety. Then I noticed that there were no comments, yet there were poll votes. Then I fell back asleep.
It was only at about 8 when I realized that AZ is not Mountain Time anymore. The story posted front page in MTN time zones but not others. We have our own time zone. How stupid is that?
I still could be wrong, but that’s my theory for the moment.
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by Wil Cantrell on Jul 3, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Here's what I don't get.
Chandler is offered 20MM. Says no and the MGMT capitulates for 30MM. That’s 10MM more on a reserve, for the same number of contract years.
Amare is offered 94MM over 5. Wants 105MM over six. That’s 11MM more for a starter and an All-star, with an extra year thrown in.
If the issue was money, I don’t know how you don’t let Chandler walk and give Amare the contract. If 94 over 5 was a serious offer, I don’t see how you don’t got 105 over six.
Instead, I think Sarver didn’t want to keep Amare at all, and by offering low that’s the best way to push him on his way. Now, perhaps Sarvers motives were for basketball reasons, not just financial, but who will ever know something like that.
Several more factors here...
Frye doesn’t have an injury-past and he is younger. Since his contract also is not as expensive, he is far mote tradeable in 3-4 years.
nvm about the "younger part"
only half a year separating them
Good point...
….his contract is perfect to make him a trade bait sometime down the years or if his performance declines.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
think your math is fuzzy
If Suns offered full 5 yrs guaranteed it would about $104m. They offered 3 yrs guaranteed w/ yr 4 50% guaranteed and yr 5 25% guaranteed. That comes to about $74m guaranteed which is a $30m diff.
Now, on the other hand, other teams like NY can only offer ~$99m w/o sign and trade for Amare’s Bird Rights so Amare is leaving $5m on the table as well and basically saying he would rather have $99m guaranteed than $104m with the minutes incentives.
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96.6 mil, not all guaranteed
71 mil in first 3 yrs guaranteed, then yr 4 50% guar and yr 5 25% guar if he missed significant time in the first few yrs.
Basically, simply trying to hedge against a Tracy McGrady situation, which I don’t blame mgmt at all.
Frye has 0 injury history and is cheaper overall (as already expressed in other comments)
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Frye's entire contract is less
than we’d have paid stat in the final year of a six year max deal
Right they sacrificed Amare to keep Frye
….what did you just get me to say?
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 3, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
We all thought last year we were the underdogs...
..wait till this year starts, I believe we will be the ultimate underdogs where everyone doubting us once again but we will overcome all that. I also think Jrich is going to take his game to another level since he is going to be our No. 1 option. With a backcourt of Nash and Jrich, we still have the best passing, scoring backcourt in the NBA. Robin, Goran and Dudley are a year wiser, and their taste of the playoffs have given them the experience of what it takes to measure their game. I have a good feeling about this year.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
We have a big hole to fill, and I don't think Warrick is going to fill it.
Still, the changes in personality that have been manifesting themselves are truly promising. Last year, we developed a second team that was capable of beating the other teams starters – for long periods, and in the playoffs. Our bench outplayed the world champions starters in the WCF. Savor that for a while.
The draft picks we got are in that same mold – hustle guys. I’m not sure about Warrick, or Clark – they are going to need to play with that same intensity to fit in.
We still have LB – and that could be a very good thing. He could be very tradeable when some of these teams signing big money free agents need some scoring to get over the top – but I’m hoping he’s too valuable to us because of the breakout year he’s going to have.
JRich has played most of his career without Amar’e – he’ll be fine. And Grant and Steve are getting up there, but we still have the best training/medical staff in pro sports, and they both have solid backups, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see them both here and productive 3 years from now.
Teams that win championships are either built around point guards or centers – even the Lakers have never won with Kobe when they didn’t have a dominant big man. Jordan’s Bulls are the exception, but even those teams had good big men, dominant in the case of Pippen. We have 2 great centers who complement each other, and we have a PG in Dragic who could be MVP someday. We know he has the skills, anyway.
We have a coach who is perfect for this team, in this situation.
Also, we are in the West, and this year, all the marquis players are going to the east. The Lakers may not be as good next year, SA, Utah, and Dallas are going to have a hard time improving, We may be better equipped to beat Portland, OKC, and Memphis without Amar’e. Who knows – we couldn’t beat them with him (except the playoffs), but STAT wasn’t the biggest part of that.
We also have some moves that can be made – better later than now. We are an incredibly deep team, and still a very, very good team. We are positioned as well as we can be for the new CBA, and the new market that will accompany it. Somewhere, before the trade deadline, a team is going to be dumping some salary, because their big spending spree didn’t work, and we can shore up for the playoffs with little risk.
So all in all, I feel pretty good about things.
Oh, did I mention, we have Steve Nash?
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Dorothy
6'7" 228 lb Rodman a big man =D
just teasing you, no biggie its not important to your post, I agree, 1’s and 5’s define the nba, except for the once-a-generation transcendent wing player.
Rodman rebounded like a big man, anyway.
And don’t tease me, bro. :)
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Dorothy
Nice update.
I actually felt somewhat better after reading that. The truth of the matter is, as much as Amare added, he mostly got cleanup stuff on PnR’s and shot well from outside. He wasn’t a dominant factor defensively or in rebounding. Point differentials are the easiest thing to make up in a situation like this. Warrick will give us some of that and hopefully (fingers crossed) Clark will start to play more like Aldridge or Odom this season.
Plus we have cards to play later in the season. With Rich’s expiring and LB as trade asset I really think we will get something done before the deadline to bring in a big name. I am pulling for Melo.
All things considered, our team lost a good piece, but not an integral one.
Reading is good...
"The Lakers may not be as good next year"-haremoor. Right.......
“Also, we are in the West, and this year, all the marquis players are going to the east.”-haremoor WTF! Since when does Amare’ potentially going to the East (knicks) count as all the marquis players. (Wade was there, Lebron, Bosh, Nowitzki is staying put, J.Johnson, were in the East to begin with, nonsense)
The RaiderLaker
the lakers just got a lot better..
by signing Steve Blake.. Gives them a poor mans Nash, and if Kobe is willing to share the ball a little more than usual, they could be really good.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jul 3, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
look.. I'm not going that far, Steve Blake is a Role player, all we want is for him to knock down those wide-open 3's with Farmar and brown sucked at.
Fisher is clutch, but thats it! We need someone to consistently shoot 3’s so we can finally blow-out opponents and half the league that zone on us or stack the paint cuz of Gasol and Bynum.
The RaiderLaker
don't you Laker fans know *anything* about basketball ????
Lakers will be much better because Blake is a much better passer than Fisher, better p&r player, better defender, better shooter from all points of the court, plays off the ball better, and most importantly, is way more consistent.
Let me put it this way.. if Blake were on this years Lakers, they beat us in 5, and the Celtics in 5, and Kobe can play normally, instead of doing his circus highwire act.
Very underrated player, imho.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jul 3, 2010 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, ok thanks for the input. i just never saw him play much. The most memorable game of his was against us this season right before the playoffs started, he dropped 23 and 10 rbs with 10 assists.
That was monstorous, but judging from his stats they are nothing spectacular though.
6.9 pts. 3 reb. average. 6.1 assists average is great.
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I wonder what's going to happen with Steve Nash and Grant Hill
Will those guys want to stick around or will they be traded? I would imagine that before they signed their most recent contracts, they had to have realized that Amar’e was likely to leave and that they’re prepared to still play for the Suns.
As many bad moves as Sarver has made, I don’t think anyone can fault him for the offer he made to Amar’e. He tried as best he could, in a way that’d keep the Suns from being royally screwed and Amar’e declined.
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by Justin Burning on Jul 3, 2010 9:10 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
yep agree with that
I think Grant and Nash have the monster cajones to believe they can win again regardless of who is put at the four.
I hope Lopez is working on his offensive game, he is going to get a lot of feeds close to the hoop.
Yeah Lopez will be a big focus of the Suns' offense next season, I would imagine
If the team is going to be moderately success, Lopez is going to have to average like 16-20 PPG and 8-10 RPG, and Warrick is going to have to average 12-15 PPG and 6-8 RPG.
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by Justin Burning on Jul 3, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
And we should bring Tony Delk back out of retirement.
Tony will need to average 12-15 pts, 3-4 blocks, some assists, a few steals and commit a negative 0.9 turnovers in about 13.2 minutes per game.
ouch
I’d be happy with 75 games, 13 pts and 8 rebs from Lopez.
Let’s not put all-star requirements on him at the moment.
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Hopefully, in the upcoming CBA.
They come up with a way to not guarantee contracts and to cut players. I know players make the league, but its getting nuts how many zombies are getting crazy money without ever touching the court.
Amare’s offer was close to perfect, where a players injury history was taken into account, somehow I think Amare and his agent must have thought, the Suns would intentionally not give him enough minutes enough if he was healthy to make up his contract guarantees. (Like Celtics did to Robinson). I know it sounds absurd, but we dont know how things could have changed 4 years from now with Nash and Grant leaving, things could have turned creaky with Amare. The Suns are a classy organisation from top to bottom so I dont think they would have been sneaky like that with a player but you never know.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
"classy"
that’s not how I’d describe sarver… and he’s going to define the organization more over time
Perhaps
But after the way he handled Amare, I would call him a stable, savvy owner.
Reading is good...
I'm fine with that, but you can't call him classy.
Does stable, savvy apply to his approach to Steve Kerr and David Griffin?
I dont know yet
I will reserve judgment on that until I see who he hires and how well he does this summer.
Reading is good...
I mean...
7 months ago we were all chomping at the bit to get Kerr out of here. Now that he goes, what, we are all mad?? I hate wishy washy fans that just react to everything as bad. (not saying thats you btw)
Look we know Sarvar isn’t like Cuban. But then again, he isn’t like Sterling either. There has to be some room for him to be a good owner without having to be like Cuban or the Lakers or the Knicks owners. Aside from the Kerr thing, which is still a little unclear, he did a good job.
He offered Amare a fair deal.
He resigned Frye for more than most people though he was worth.
He draft several good players given our position in the draft
Retained Gentry.
Signed Warrick for cheap.
Not a horrible summer considering the position we were in. We had(have) no leverage to get FAs and no draft position to get picks. Its tough. So, all things considering, Well Done Sarvar.
Reading is good...
I was a big Kerr booster last year.
And yea, Sarver may be doing something to break the cult of the NBA expert.
Can a bunch of no-namers manage a franchise as well as TNT broadcasters, ex-players and aged old men?
Why not?
I dont know...
I mean, who knows if Sarvar can do it or not. I hope so. I have never been a Kerr fanatic. But I also never bashed him either. He did a decent job as GM but I wonder if part of it was simply fortuitous picks. Goran and Lopez are his saving grace. That and recognizing Dudley as a potential talent. Other than that? Nothing blockbuster. He just did what he was suppose to do. Assess the teams needs and try to fill them.
Reading is good...
Sarver is interviewing actual real-life GM types this summer
as opposed to last time when he hired a broadcaster. So let’s get him a little credit for that.
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Well that broadcaster once served our nemesis
so having Kerr on board kinda led us in the right direction in terms of what’s important. And he’s done his part. The team’s focus has shifted to defense and there’s a balance between the old and young players. So the Suns are slowly rebuilding while they’re still very capable of making surprise runs in the playoffs.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
oh I know
Kerr had the right ideas, for sure. And I love the team he built.
I’m just reacting to ppl to say Sarver won’t hire a good GM. At least he’s looking for experience this time.
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Well let's just hope he picks a good one.
To go from a season that ended with a Western Conference Finals appearance to a season that might possibly end with us being in the lottery would be an ugly mark in our franchise’s history.
I hope we hire a GM that will try to do what’s best for the team.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Well except Sarver,
Amare should have thought, Sarver is not loyal to most of his players and FO (Except Nash, but Nash did take a pay cut). Must have been at the back of his mind, 4 years down the line if Sarver is still owning the team that he would do something that would not give the required minutes to Amare.
Disclaimer: I have my tinfoil hat on.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
I look at this next season
As relying more on team ball. Lopez/Dragic are going to improve. Dudley is still going to provide a spark. Nash/Hill/Richardson are going to provide good leadership and scoring.
We need Warrick to just be a positive asset. I can see the emphasis now being to feed a tandem of him and Lopez while trying to get JRich hot.
We all know, 37 or not, if anyone is going to make Hakim Warrick a beast or an All-Star, it’s Steve Nash. I’m optimistic and I hope Warrick becomes a steal.
Yes, Amar’e helped us get to the playoffs with his emergence, but so did J-Rich. Yes, Amar’e helped us through that playoff run, but don’t forget that we got that far without Robin Lopez. Even with an unhealthy Robin we still took the Lakers to 6 games. Just replace Amar’e with Lopez who should get better and Warrick for next years playoff run. That’s still a downgrade, but I don’t think we will be as bad as people think we will be. We may not be a contender, but were still a threat to upset any contender.
I predict that without Amare Stoudemire, the Suns will be more of a team. Hakim Warrick obviously wanted to be here, so there is no reason not to think he will add to the good chemistry.
Does anyone like the floated idea of getting Kurt Thomas back? I don’t know whether I do, because he might have nothing left in the tank. The Spurs didn’t mind letting let him go. But if he could play as well as he did in 2005-06, the Suns should get him back and start him—forget starting Hakim Warrick.
he was good in MIL last year
as a spot-player who provided toughness.
Long-term I’d love to see him on the bench, teaching people how to play without having the biggest skillset.
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Charles Barkley joke
If Charles Barkley had been in Latrell Sprewell’s position, he would say, “What family? I’ve got myself to feed.”
(I was thinking about the old “I’ve got a family to feed” remark because of Amare Stoudemire.)
We shall see
Holding off on the panic button until I see who we end up with once this is all done. But we’re gonna miss Stat’s 20-10 and poster dunks. Maybe Warrick brings some of that, or we get a player who can fill the void. But it’s gonna be a struggle. But then, who picked us to even make the playoffs last season, much less get to the WCF??
I'm going to miss STAT's 20-10 too
i was missing it quite a lot last year as well
by DaveJD on Jul 3, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol...
he did miss it quite often! either 35-12 or 15-6, depending on the night!
by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Jul 3, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
what is our cap situation now?
how much money do we have to sign people? if drik is willing to take VERY LITTLE money, can he still join?
We have 2 million left under the cap.
So we can offer 10 million over 5 years. Dallas can offer 96 million over 5 years.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 3, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
AZCentral says that we might go after Kurt Thomas with it
Lou is too pricey now.
Kurt Thomas would be nice to have back! Good old Crazy Eyes.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 3, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow what a full circle that would be,
The KT saga is the most hated move by the Suns FO in the history of the Suns organization and the same player comes back. No fault of KT, but I just find the humor in the irony.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
What about that sign and trade deal with NY?
Is there a possibilty that we could possibly get that david lee?
by Migonads on Jul 3, 2010 12:20 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Chemistry, it's all about Chemistry
Things are going to be fine. I think we will make the playoffs, probably make it to the Semi’s and, depending on who we draw, we make it to the WCF. The reason being is that so much of this team’s success came from Chemistry. I actually think that Amare didn’t really help the chemistry factor. Guys like Channing, Dudley, Goran, Hill, Nash, and Lopez are all chemistry guys. They play well when they are playing as a team.
This is not to say that they won’t miss Amare. But honestly, I was crazy scared that we would pay him 20 mil a year and he’d have another knee blowout in year 3. In fact, he should be worried about that now that he won’t have such a great training staff to depend on. There is nothing worse than when your highest paid player is on the DL all the time ( ie- Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming). We are going to miss his scoring, but this really gives guys like Warrick and Clark the opportunity to step up and make up for the difference. Are we going to beat the Lakers, probably not. But if Lopez starts to become a real dominant center, if we can get Goran on his way to elite PG status, and if Clark can take his defensive skills and match them with decent skills on offense, there is no telling what this team is capable of.
I am drinking the Kool-aid, but I am still very excited.
Mark West Should be a Hall of Famer-----maybe
Our potential rotation
PG Nash – Dragic
SG Richardson – Dudley/Scottie Reynolds/some other FA or trade pickup (I think Barbosa is gone)
SF Hill – Dudley/Clark
PF Warrick – Clark/Lawal/some other FA or trade pickup (I assume Amundson is gone)
C Lopez – Frye
Frankly, this doesn’t look very impressive.
Strong at C with 2 rising players of complementary skill skets.
Strong at PG with the master and the young grasshopper.
Above average at SG, as I think J-Rich is ready to continue his breakout performance from these past playoffs.
Then, really questionable at the forwards. Too much reliance on the aging Grant Hill and the unproven Earl Clark. I’m on record as not being a Clark believer, but I hope he can prove me wrong. Warrick obviously has a lot of pressure on him, and I think he can be a good player for us, but he’s certainly no Stoudemire. I can’t believe we’re done at the PF position. Maybe pick up a defense and rebounding specialist for Barbosa? Or, heck, is it still possible to keep Amundson? It’s hard to project a 46th pick in the draft like Lawal is ready to be a solid contributor right away.
Who are our all-stars or potential all-stars? Nash, of course. Lopez, maybe (remember, there aren’t many good centers out there). Dragic, maybe in a couple of years. To continue to be a 50 win team, Dragic, Lopez and Clark will need to step up big-time.
Yea....
Frankly, this doesn’t look very impressive
Unfortunately that is because it’s not impressive. Sigh.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Jul 3, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
But it's not hopeless
Gentry has to work his magic in developing those young pups and we’ll be fine. Beating the Lakers as long as Kobe, Pau and Phil are around? Now THAT is hopeless. Sigh.
Word.
I don’t find it hopeless but obviously expectations have to be adjusted. Getting to the playoffs at all would be viewed as a success.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
So we basically take whatever expectations we had last offseason
and lower it for this season.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Sounds roughly correct
Except we’re not getting an all-star forward back from a season ending injury
RIP Seasons of Discontent
oh please people
the opposite of drinking the kool-aid is downing arsenic. I see it flowing in this thread…
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Yeah, the sky is not falling
Losing Stoudemire was short-term pain for long-term gain, IMO. Paying him 5 years at max salary would have handicapped anything else the team tried to do and leave our fortunes tied to a PF who doesn’t like to rebound or play D and is a surly, selfish teammate. No, thank you. Given the flaws in his game, and the way Nash helped him along so much, he won’t be as hard to replace as people here are saying.
by East Bay Ray on Jul 4, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
whre do you get "doesn’t like to rebound or play D and is a surly, selfish teammate?"
Sounds like people are making stuff up…
His defense isn’ty stellar but there are worse FA PF defenders (Lee, Boozer..) His rebounding stats of 9.0 a game for his career is better than Gaso & Nowitzki and even Nash will attest to him being a good teammate…,
Please place facts when you attempt to discredit someone…
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can and slap the crap out of him before he figures out you are there...."
- me into a mental stupor after forgetting the rest of Ulysses S. Grant's speech....
What, am I the only one who accuses Amare of not rebounding or playing D?
Or to accuse him of being a poor teammate? Nash attests to him being a good teammate. So, what do you think Nash is gonna say?
When has Nash ever publicly disparaged a teammate? Or, for that matter, when has he ever publicly disparaged an opponent? I always took it that Nash used the leadership philosophy that you treat people as you want them to become rather than what they are. He complimented Amare’s efforts to be a good teammate because he wanted to encourage those efforts. Amare certainly needed, and still needs, improvement there.
I wrote more about my views on Stoudemire at http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2010/7/4/1551804/poll-your-feelings-about-amares
If you think I’m picking on Amare’s weaknesses, wait til the New York media has a crack at him.
Um?
I don’t find it hopeless but obviously expectations have to be adjusted. Getting to the playoffs at all would be viewed as a success.
Yea…I sound downright suicidal.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
I think Jrich might breakout enough to make the all-star team.
by Suns Fan For Life on Jul 3, 2010 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions
He's almost 30 (January)
How many SGs become first time all-stars at 30?
I think the answer is not many
RIP Seasons of Discontent
I see JRich averaging 20+ pts a game
why? because he’s done it a ton in his career and I personally think last year was his best overall year yet.
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He's done it 3 times in his 9 seasons
And those teams won 34, 34, and 32 games.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
touche
but what about the 49-win Warriors? What did he average that year?
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16 and he only played 51 games
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Jul 6, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd like to have Kurt Thomas back.
He gave the Bucks some good minutes and I think he can still contribute.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
My question is
Was a sign and trade to New York not an option? I understand that Amare didn’t want the contract that we offered with the injury clause, but couldn’t we still give Amare a better contract than New York can offer and then trade him to the Knicks? I would feel a lot better with Lee as are starting PF.
Because we are renouncing him
because somehow Sarver thinks Warrick > Lee/Scola/Hedo/Ariza/Wilson Chandler
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Well honestly Warrick > Hedo isn't that big a stretch.
In Nash I Trust!
Steve Nash DOES play defense, foo!
Wow..azcentral article
Before Warrick, the Suns had sign-and-trade discussions with Houston involving Luis Scola and Toronto involving Hedo Turkoglu or for a trade exception, which could have been used to target Utah’s Andrei Kirilenko. The Suns also considered a Leandro Barbosa trade to create salary-cap space for pursuing Dirk Nowitzki.
So they could have done all that, but the decide to sign Warrick? wow.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Hedo would have been terrible
AK would have been okay since he only has one year left.
Dirk was never going to happen.
Lee was probably too expensive.
I am ticked about Scola though.
by beastattack3000 on Jul 3, 2010 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions
if we wanted scola we could have got him at the deadline
houston offered us scola, battier, hill and two number 1s for stat if i remember correctly.
that was a wild rumor
that Kerr laughed off.
And since Kerr was the most perfect, honest person ever to walk the earth, we have to believe him right?
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Well thats where not having a GM hurt us.
A competent GM would have waited it out and seen what was out there before jumping on an average player. But on the flipside we even saw Drew Gooden and Darko Milicic get some crazy contracts.
If Dave Griffin or Kerr were still in office, Hakim Warrick would not have even been brought up in conversation this early in the FA period I think, I believe they both would have pushed for the SnT with Houston. But that also depended on Amare not wanting to go to Houston.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
i think targeting warrick must have been planned by kerr/griffin before they left
Kerr said that they had come up with a plan to go for in FA and i thing sarver probably just carried that out. Its not like he just randomly picked a PF free agent out of a hat and offered him a contract.
Even if thats the case, he wouldnt have been signed (verbal agreement) this early in the FA period. Im sure they would have convinced Amare to a SnT to Houston or NY or NJ or Miami. If not for a good player back, just for the TPE and atleast a draft pick. Right now it just looks like Amare left for nothing and we got Warrick to fill his million dollar shoes.
Slumdog Millionaire without the million.
Just because they considered it
doesn’t mean ANY of it could have happened.
Don’t get the impression those were all offered, all rosy. Amare had to want to go to those teams…, then teams had to want to close the deal…
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I think people are freaking out a little too much
I am actually getting more excited for the new season (filled with anxiety, but I always am when my expectations are Championship or bust, which, let’s be honest, are always a possibility with the Suns). I think you are all forgetting this past year and why we made it as far as we did.
Yes, we would have never made it to the Conference Finals had Amar’e not gone all Hulk after the all-star break (or maybe we would have). But we are forgetting what will make us great this year…Alvin Gentry. Gentry was coach of the year. He took two “busts” in Dragic and Lopez and helped them on the path to reach their potential. He took players who had been performing sub-par in their careers and turned them into players who other teams desire to have.
Gentry is was and will be this year a candidate (and we all know a winner) for coach of the year, because he elevates players past their potential and he creates a team that “can’t play defense” to play some defense.
Now what’s the problem:
Earl Clark? I remember when Clark was sent to the D-league, it was because everyone in the Suns organization said all he needed was more playing time because that was how he was going to get better. So what is this season going to do, give him more playing time so that I believe we are going to see a Jan. or Feb. breakout for the man.
Hakim Warrick? Can you say Channing Fyre, he is going to be the same change offensively, maybe more and his defense is going to improve because Gentry made are whole team play defense, while maintaining great offensive output. Who like Channing will move from the first team to second team (which we all know is not an insult on the Suns now).
Gani Lawal? The word is that he is “raw”. Well, if anyone is going to turn him into a polished player I think the Suns can.
There’s my opinion. But then again, maybe I’m delusional.
I agree completely.
I don’t think we’ll win a championship this year or anything but I don’t think we are going to be a bust. What Alvin Gentry did this year was truly amazing and I have faith he’ll do it again this year.. Im hoping for big things from Earl, Hakim, and Gani. Now maybe im being too optimistic, but im usually too pessimistic so, we’ll see how those balance each other out. Im getting excited for summer league!
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Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Jul 3, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
What I mean
is that the Suns organization has proven that they are consistent winners and so I can start every season and not be absolutely surprised they make it into the Finals, much less the playoffs. Do I think we win a championship this year? No, but it is not out of the realm of possibility.
by Handsome Bert on Jul 3, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
No, but it is not out of the realm of possibility.
It must be because although we can be consistently good, we’ve never been good enough to win a Championship. There has always been just one team better than us that would beat our contender and go on to win the Championship themselves.
stay away from the knife drawer, Beavis
that’s quite the pessimistic retort
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GO SUNS
Hey all the menories are good. It always seems we bounce back reguardles of what trades happen. Number one we are SUNS FANS and believe. The past is history , close the book for now and look to tomorrow. Not any of the SUNS players I don’t like because they are OUR SUNS. Amare was a SUN book closed. Blarkey for GM, could be. Keep the faith, with ALVIN and NASH leading the way look out King James and that other person KB.
scary
I understand some of your optimism but for some of you too think that Warrick is going to replace Amare in anything is out of your mind.
1. People, teams game planned for Amare and he still had 20 and 8 a night. nobody is game planning for Warrick, he is a average player, people want to compare him to Channing’s improved season. People forget Channing changed his entire game, he was nothing but a skinny center in this league who was on his way out, he even said it himself, Channing went into the gym and changed his whole game. Warrick is what he is, a undersized skinny pf who will average 10 and 5 for this team. nobody will game plan for him and he will still score 10 and 5. and hopefully we do make it too the playoffs but if we do and they game plan against him he will do nothing.
2. this is a superstar driven league Amare is a superstar.
3. And number three, you guys our mad because Amare choose a better contract for himself, he is no different then Kerr, why do you think he left, your sorry owner wouldn’t give him the money so he bolted. Same thing with Amare. would you take non guaranteed check from your job every time you get injured or get a write up they decrease your pay, why would Amare do that when another team is guaranteeing almost the same, 4-5 million less, but its guaranteed. If i was Amare i would take Knicks offer too and so would you regardless of winning or not. I hope the suns do well but as the roster looks now, 40 win team, but the western powers spurs, mavs, nuggets, jazz or aging and in spiral so i do believe we can still make playoffs, first round and out, next year rebuild with all money we will have can anybody say two max players, wait our team owner is Sarver.

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